Re: abrt + X Error = zillions of duplicate bug reports?
On Mon, 2009-11-23 at 10:52 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-22 at 19:21 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: So, since I've already received 3 separate bug reports caused by BadIDChoice X Error in subtitleeditor [1][2][3] (haven't had enough time to debug and try to fix it yet though) by abrt, I wonder if there is any room for duplicity detection improvement in these cases, or if we are doomed to zillions of duplicates in rhbz? (btw. otherwise abrt is awesome, IMHO the bugreports from abrt are much more useful than before :-) I know this is non-obvious, but: BadIDChoice or BadImplementation X errors are _always_ bugs in libX11 or the server itself, respectively. Please reassign BadIDChoice bugs to libX11. Thanks for the info. Bug 538382 reassigned to libX11. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Review request...
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 16:10 -0700, Nathanael D. Noblet wrote: Hello, I just posted my first review request a few days ago. I think someone has been trying to help me through that process. Up to now I've felt like I've been following instructions. Could someone please review the information in the following (not necessarily review the request), to see if I've completely lost it and am not understanding what is being requested of me? I feel like I'm complying but got some odd message about not following instructions and so won't be helped. When I think I'm doing what they ask. Anyway a total packaging noob (for fedora atleast, we maintain a bunch of software in RPM format for CentOS and Fedora workstations inhouse). I've read the guidlines as best I can, and responded to requests on the review so I'm just wondering what I may be missing... https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=537587 Thanks, Nathanael Hm... on a very quick first look, you obviously don't follow https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:NamingGuidelines#Package_Release Your release should look something like 0.x.BETA4, not just BETA4. Plus every time you update the SPEC, you should also increase the x ;-) I'm not sure if it's explicitly in the guidelines somewhere or not (haven't ever used this kind of thing myself), but you appear to generate subpackages based on some build time conditionals -- (at least IMHO) it's not a good approach. Do you really need these conditionals anyway? Why not just build all the subpackages that are worth building? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Review request...
On Tue, 2009-11-17 at 21:45 -0200, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: Can you post this info in the bug report ? I was just about to at your request (I think one of the two places is enough ;-) but noticed that Nathan was faster in applying relevant changes. Note that I haven't done a throughout check, only pointed what I noticed on quick look, so there *might* be more problems. Supposing I'll take a closer look at it tomorrow (no promises though), I'll point out anything other that I find in the bug report itself. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: TeX Live 2009 for Fedora
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 14:44 +0200, Jindrich Novy wrote: Hi, TeX Live 2009 pretest is now available via external repository for testing in Fedora: rpm -Uhv http://jnovy.fedorapeople.org/texlive/texlive-release-2009-0.1.fc11.noarch.rpm Maybe a good idea is to start directly with TeX Live 2009 in Fedora because TL 2008 has different package set and TL 2009 contains newest packages and will likely be released this year. And before that we can help with testing :) My current effort is aimed to font packaging so that the fonts are available to non-TeX Live users as well. For more information: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/TeXLive Thank you so much for your effort :) Doing yum update texlive\* resulted in dep. problems with (x)dvipdfmx, dvipng (requires libkpathsea.so.4) -- you're probably missing obsoletes in texlive-dvipdfmx and texlive-dvipng. After I removed them (along with xetex, which I tried once, but went back to just tex), the update progressed smoothly, haven't tried runtime yet (though, seeing that your repo has 5000+ packages and the yum updated installed/updated only 85, I suspect I'll be missing some fonts I use). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: TeX Live 2009 for Fedora
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 15:40 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: progressed smoothly, haven't tried runtime yet (though, seeing that your So, just noticed I needed to install texlive-csplain in order to have it, but it does not work: This is pdfTeX, Version 3.1415926-1.40.10 (Web2C 2009) restricted \write18 enabled. ---! /usr/share/texlive/texmf-var/web2c/pdftex/csplain.fmt doesn't match pdftex.pool (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied) How can I fix it? Further, I noticed in csplain.log that it loads the document with ISO-8859-2 coding, is there a way to switch it to UTF-8? texconfig does not seem to work anymore for format installing/changing :( Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: TeX Live 2009 for Fedora
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 16:29 +0200, Jindrich Novy wrote: On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 03:53:06PM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: Please be sure you remove all the old formats generated with the old TeX Live. In most cases clearing the /var/lib/texmf/ and ~/.texlive* contents should make it work. Thanks, didn't occurred to me, that I need to rm -rf also /var/lib/texmf. It's working now :) When you'll do the upgrade in Fedora proper, it might be a good idea to clear /var/lib/texmf then (via the packages)... You might want to add: csplain pdfetex - -etex -enc csplain-utf8.ini cslatex pdfetex - -etex -enc cslatex-utf8.ini in /usr/share/texlive/texmf/web2c/fmtutil.cnf instead of the links to cp227.tcx translate-file. Thanks, that did the job. I noticed during the time I tried to make csplain working that removing and re-adding the texlive-csplain package adds to this file lots of garbage which make csplain format generation not working... You'll get lines like: csplain pdftex - -extex -translate-file=cp227.tcx cslatex.ini pdftex - -extex -translate-file=cp227.tcx cslatex.ini and so on Would be worth fixing, even though it's a corner case... Anyway, after installing some (which looked like I'd might need them) collections and texlive-bbm, I was able to successfully build my Bachelors' thesis (it's about general relativity, and it uses pretty pretty much everything I've ever tried with TeX, so the coverage is rather good), so I can say that (cs)plain (utf8) works in TexLive 2009 well. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Empathy default in F12?
On Sun, 2009-08-16 at 11:21 +0200, Christoph Höger wrote: Well on fedora 10 it cannot connect to irc. Which makes it pretty unusable. Well, it can connect to irc for me on F11... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rpms/pitivi/F-11 .cvsignore, 1.16, 1.17 pitivi.spec, 1.36, 1.37 sources, 1.16, 1.17
Hi, I've just built this and seems like some of the runtime deps were raised, so far I've noticed gstreamer-python-0.10.16, you should bump the dep in spec as well. Martin On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 18:30 +, Jeffrey C. Ollie wrote: Author: jcollie Update of /cvs/pkgs/rpms/pitivi/F-11 In directory cvs1.fedora.phx.redhat.com:/tmp/cvs-serv23731 Modified Files: .cvsignore pitivi.spec sources Log Message: * Thu Aug 13 2009 Jeffrey C. Ollie j...@ocjtech.us - 0.13.2-1 - Update to 0.13.2 Jailbreak (out of Deadlock City) - - The PiTiVi team is proud to announce the second release in the - unstable 0.13 PiTiVi series. - - Due to its dependency on GStreamer, The PiTiVi team strongly - recommends users have all official latest gstreamer libraries and - plugins installed for the best user experience. - - Features of this release - -* Undo/Redo support -* Audio mixing -* Ripple/Roll edit -* misc fixes everywhere signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: F12 mass rebuild status
On Wed, 2009-07-29 at 16:40 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: I've now generated the first of the mass rebuild status pages. http://jkeating.fedorapeople.org/needed-f12-rebuilds.html mso (1): invinxble-backgrounds This is a false positive. I've marked this package as DEAD in cvs (licensing issues with used sources [1]) and requested removal [2] about a week ago. Martin References: [1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=512836 [2] https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/2011 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Feature proposal: Rebootless Installer
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 02:04 -0600, Douglas McClendon wrote:
Fedorans,
Can you spare 50 or 100K? If you can spare 100K/700M in the forthcoming
Fedora-12 LiveCD, I can provide you with a rebootless installation
experience.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/RebootlessInstaller
The short story is that you boot the LiveCD/USB, run the installation,
and then, instead of rebooting into the installed OS, you are already
looking at and using it.
snip
Hi Doug,
I think this is an interesting idea and I don't see why you it should
not be done (if you are willing to do the work). It would also IMHO be a
cool killing feature (from marketing POV) ;-) My idea of how this would
be implemented best is:
1. do the installation
2. on the last page instead of plain thank you for installing and
exit (I don't recall what exactly is on the last anaconda page) would
be thank you for installing and start using the installed system
now, continue using {Desktop, KDE, ...} Live and reboot buttons.
If you pushed the start using the installed system now you'd start
using the system from hdd and the live CD/DVD would be ejected. Also it
would be probably good idea to pop-up a notification icon that suggests
reboot (like package-kit does for e.g. kernel updates).
If you pushed the continue using {Desktop, KDE, ...} Live it would
just quit the installer and suggest reboot in a similar case as before.
If you pushed the reboot one it would quit the installer and forced a
reboot (and perhaps prompted the user to save their work).
Of course it could be made into radiobuttons instead of buttons with
just one Finish or whatever button.
The default would stay continue using {Desktop, KDE, ...} Live.
This would of course work only for Live Spins, I don't see any reason to
try to push this to the standard DVD or network installs.
Also you'd need to properly handle firstboot in this case, which would
be bypassed. Me thinks firstboot should be purged anyway, but it still
exists and you need to be aware of it.
Just my €0.02,
Martin
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Re: Feature proposal: Rebootless Installer
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 20:12 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: We are talking about a live cd installation, yes? You can close the installer then. Yes, and reboot in order to be able to use the installed system. The suggested feature is, as I understand it, trying to make this reboot optional, i.e. not necessary. There's no need to play with words like forced reboot. It is clearly not directly forced in the Live install, yet still necessary, so someone actually could consider it forced (indirectly)... Rahul Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Purging the F12 orphans
On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 10:58 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 09:40 -0700, Jesse Keating wrote: It's that time of the release cycle again, to purge the orphans before we get to feature freeze. Any unblocked orphans will be purged by the 28th of this month. Here is a current list of unblocked orphans: The first list was incomplete due to an API change. Here is the complete list: snip Unblocked orphan gtk-murrine-engine I'm taking over this one. Co-maintainers welcomed. snip Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: $HOME/bin
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 13:31 +0200, Stefan Assmann wrote: Hi all, I was wondering why there's no $HOME/bin directory and $HOME/bin not mentioned in the $PATH variable. Any particular reason not to have that by default? Stefan Hi, because most people don't need it? Well, I would not be exactly against making this default, but I'm not sure if $HOME/bin would be the right one... Since xdg-dirs came around I use $HOME/Applications/bin for that purpose to keep $HOME cleaner (even though this particular directory isn't in the scheme...) But I cannot really argue either way... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: $HOME/bin
On Mon, 2009-07-13 at 14:07 +0200, Mathieu Bridon (bochecha) wrote: Look at your /etc/profile (or ~/.bash_profile, I don't remember). There should be something like: [ -d ~/bin ] PATH=~/bin:$PATH Which means that the folder will be added to your PATH if it exists. Well, I have there PATH=$PATH:$HOME/Applications/bin and that's because I added it manually there... I don't remember the original value. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 11 wireless-tools yum erase?
On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 12:14 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: Why does yum erase wireless-tools want to: Removing for dependencies: anaconda firstboot rhpl system-config-(boot,date,date-docs,firewall, firewall-tui,keyboard,kickstart,language,lvm, network,network-tui,rootpassword,users,users-docs) This is a wired desktop, that has absolutely no need for wireless or indeed wpa-supplicant which want to remove: NetworkManager NetworkManager-gnome anaconda system-config-kickstart I know --nodeps could be used, or indeed use network service but currently have no problems with NM Bu how?, are they tied into so much. Frank I'm not sure about most of these, but I'd like to note that wpa-supplicant is not a wireless-only tool (that one of your sentences seem to imply). I use it at dorm to authenticate to wired network (as well as at home to authenticate to home wifi network). And because some NM features clearly require its presence, it would be broken if it did not require it. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Fedora 11 wireless-tools yum erase?
On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 13:10 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: Then the description need changing: Description wpa_supplicant is a WPA Supplicant for Linux, BSD and Windows with support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i / RSN). Supplicant is the IEEE 802.1X/WPA component that is used in the client stations. It implements key negotiation with a WPA Authenticator and it controls the roaming and IEEE 802.11 authentication/association of the wlan : driver. Yeah, the wlan driver is not apparently the only one where wpa_supplicant is used for authentication, although the usage of IEEE 802.1x on wired networks is probably rather rare. Frank Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: rawhide report: 20090619 changes
On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 23:53 +0200, David Nielsen wrote: 2009/6/19 Peter Robinson pbrobin...@gmail.com mono-tools-2.4.2-1.fc12 --- * Tue Jun 09 2009 Paul F. Johnson p...@all-the-johnsons.co.uk - 2.4.2-1 - Bump to 2.4.2 preview 1 - Add support for ppc and ppc64 - Add label for udev-acl is there any reason why mono doesn't use the 0.x revision tags for alpha/beta/RC releases like everyone else? Plenty of projects fall outside that naming scheme, it's unfortunate but that is life. Maybe upstream will consider your thoughts on the matter if you bring them to their attention. - David /me understands that the issue is with versioning of the package, not in upstream. The changelog clearly says it's 2.4.2 preview 1 and the release number in package should reflect it, e.g. by having the NVR mono-tools-2.4.2-0.1.pre1.fc12. It helps users of that package to easier tell that its actually a pre-release, not a stable release. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: What I HATE about F11
On Sat, 2009-06-13 at 22:19 -0400, Charles Butterfield wrote: snip * Root gdm login - gets harder every release - SHAME ON YOU root nazis! You can always init 3, login as root and startx if you *really need* graphical root login (or use su in gnome-terminal or whatever gui terminal is your favourite). I think that disabling root login in gdm is fairly good security measure for noobs coming windows while experienced administrators still know what to do if they need it. But I've never really needed gui root login for the 4 past years I've been using Fedora linux. * Samba (outbound) browsing requires firewall mods I don't know how Samba works, so forgive me if I say obvious stupidity, but shouldn't *client* work even behind closed firewall (like with any other services like ssh, ftp, ...)? Isn't this a samba bug then? * Jamming SELinux enforcing mode with no query during install Well, what works for me does not tell anything in general, but for the first time, I've been using SELinux enforcing mode since installing Fedora 11 Alpha. It does not get into my way. And a bug: * My supported NVIDIA card (Quadro NVS 295) is not detected - okay this may not be due to overt, mulish arrogance, but I did check the supported card list and it is really annoying. I don't know how to read this. Your X does not start? Or does it start with weird resolution? What are the results of the card not being detected? Which drivers does not work (nouveau, nv, proprietary one)? Have you filled a bug? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Berlin FUDCon T-Shirts [Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds]
On Fri, 2009-05-15 at 23:06 +0200, Gerold Kassube wrote: Hi Martin, is it please possible that you create me a two-color scheme that I can use for a T-Shirt print? I want to produce for Linuxtag in Germany and for FUDCon the Leonidas Shirt but with that much colors the producer says it costs to much; I need to reduce the picture on two colors ... I want print the head on a blue shirt; let's say starting the lion head on a small part in the back coming around under the arms and have 35% of the front with the head and the rest of the front with the symbols .. It would be great if I can get these images as a vecor based .eps pr whatever ... Thanks in advance for your outstanding help! You might want to try one of these ones: http://molaora.com/?q=node/57 Unfortunately I don't have time to play with this myself, but you should have more luck in the wider audience. CC-ing art-list. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: FYI: Personalization in Windows 7
On Wed, 2009-05-13 at 20:48 +, Jóhann B. Guðmundsson wrote: On 05/13/2009 12:32 PM, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 05/13/2009 12:15 AM, William Jon McCann wrote: Some food for thought... http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/02/a-little-bit-of-personality.aspx I think that is very close to what we are trying to do with Wallpaper Extras - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras - the plan there is to gather as many as possible images from the larger community and figure out a way to select some which we think are both good and diverse. But our project is currently in hiatus, needing some coordination (and I have my share of guilt, I have a large number of photos which can be uploaded but was lazy lately) Did we ever settle on how and where to store all the images etc ? I don't think so... I really liked Ian's proposal (dig through the archives if you do not know what I am referring to), but people seemed to be generally against it. But basically what I thing we need is: * an easy way to upload images (with info on licensing and various other comments included) * a place to store the images in * a place to preview the images * a system on selecting what goes in/out of the rpm packages (voting?) I think our current setup is suboptimal in most of those points, but I ain't sure how to make it better. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas - Lion for single screens
On Sun, 2009-05-10 at 10:35 -0400, Paul W. Frields wrote: FWIW, and not knowing what other testing you require, I installed these and the lion background appears in my background chooser as expected, and works when I select it. Yup, precisely this kind of testing :) Thanks :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Leonidas - Lion for single screens
Hi all, 'thanks' to me catching flu and having to spend whole days in bed, I decided I'd use some of that spare time on adding the lion images for single screens. I've just built the updated lion-backgrounds package. If as many people as possible could test it before Monday it would be great (I'll blog about it as well to get more attention). This is needed because I'd like it to be tagged for release (so that people won't have to d/l MBs of data just because we added some images) - and that means I need to request freeze break and given the time, I'll need to be very much sure that it does not break anything anywhere. Note, it won't be probably installed by default, especially on Live Spins where each MiB of free space makes difference... Now, how can you test it. The packages in questions are: * leonidas-backgrounds, leonidas-backgrounds-common and leonidas-backgrounds-lion-dual for the default design * leonidas-backgrounds-lion and leonidas-backgrounds-lion-dual for the lion on single screens * leonidas-backgrounds-landscape for the Beta wallpapers and you can get them from koji [1]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=101491 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas - Lion for single screens
On Sat, 2009-05-09 at 17:10 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 05/09/2009 03:17 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: Now, how can you test it. The packages in questions are: * leonidas-backgrounds, leonidas-backgrounds-common and leonidas-backgrounds-lion-dual for the default design * leonidas-backgrounds-lion and leonidas-backgrounds-lion-dual for the lion on single screens * leonidas-backgrounds-landscape for the Beta wallpapers and you can get them from koji [1]. leonidas-background-dual is needed by leonidas-background-lion? That doesn't make much sense. I don't have a dual screen and I just want to install the background for the single screen. Yep, that's because we ship the backgrounds via all-sizes xml (e.g. /usr/share/backgrounds/leonidas/leonidas.xml) so that correct ratio is always used. I don't know of a better way. Rahul Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas - Lion for single screens
On 5/9/09, Matthias Clasen wrote: Are we talking about adding the lion back to the default single-width background, or is this a separate image ? I must admit that I think the background we have now works better without the huge lion on it... Separate image in a separate subpackage. Different question would be whether would we want this in some of the spins or install DVD in addition to the default one (which I don't think so). Matthias Martin ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: artwork pages name mismatch
On Mon, 2009-05-04 at 22:14 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F9Themes http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F10Themes http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11 Also can you please tell me how to navigate from main Fedora Artwork page to Fedora Themes (current theme, past themes and future themes)? I don't see any links that lead from main Fedora Artwork page to themes pages... is that on purpose? Why? Not sure if it's on purpose or not, but it's probably not a good idea to keep links from our main page to everywhere... You can navigate to all Artwork pages from http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:Artwork If not, than that is definitely a not on purpose and should be fixed. Cheers. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)
On Wed, 2009-04-29 at 17:00 +0800, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 04/29/2009 01:48 AM, Martin Sourada wrote: Not sure if this shouldn't be extended a little more, e.g. in Czech we have '1 den' (1 day), '2,3,4 dny' (2,3,4 days respectively) and starting with five it's '5,... dní' (5,... days). At first I though this middle plural was called dual (not sure if it's same in English, but basically it means that two's are commonly treated neither as singular nor as plural), but seeing, that this goes up to 4... And IIRC it is very much similar in Russian and probably many other Slavic languages. Martin Arabic also has a dual form, but it is only for 2. I think you wanted to send this e-mail to the art-list. CC-ing Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 06:20 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 20:24 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: Would you like me to recreate the wallpapers in the same way I did for the ones currently on the wiki or will you do that and upload the new wallpapers to the wiki as well? I'll upload them later today. Done [1] I've added only the versions we actually have in the package - 16:10, 4:3 and 5:4, single and dual, one size per each. I noticed you also had there 16:9 one - was there some desire to include this ratio in the Leonidas release? We've never shipped these and I've also never seen computer displays with this ratio (even though it is used on HD TVs). BTW. the simple Greek style anaconda and first boot banners look awesome! Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC#Wallpaper signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 17:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/14/2009 04:56 PM, Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: well i donno guys ... but i think i miss that Lion on the single screen bgs ... i mean, it is sort of being the main theme of F11, but even though we ommit it from the wide range of users with single screen PCs or even the portable ones! ... Workaround: right click on the desktop, select Change Desktop Background and from the list click on the Leonidas (Right) That's actually only for the landscape ones. The lion has only one version. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 17:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/14/2009 05:33 PM, Martin Sourada wrote: On Tue, 2009-04-14 at 17:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/14/2009 04:56 PM, Hisham Abdel-Magid wrote: well i donno guys ... but i think i miss that Lion on the single screen bgs ... i mean, it is sort of being the main theme of F11, but even though we ommit it from the wide range of users with single screen PCs or even the portable ones! ... Workaround: right click on the desktop, select Change Desktop Background and from the list click on the Leonidas (Right) That's actually only for the landscape ones. The lion has only one version. Then maybe is a wise idea to provide both, this is the second time I hear someone asking for the lion today (the other one was on #fedora-art). Hmm... I can add that, but given that today is the final freeze (not sure when exactly and whether any build I would have done today would make it in) and this would not end up on the release CD/DVDs either, I doubt I could ask for a freeze break just to add one subpackage (with the wallpapers with lion on single screens as well). I think I have only these two options: 1. wait if we are gonna do some further bugfixes to the artwork and add them with it, or 2. make this a zero day update (note it would mean about 8MiB of updates for _every_ user of leonidas-backgrounds, unless F11 would be Presto enabled) Any better insights, suggestions, ideas? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas background brightness
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 11:36 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: William Jon McCann william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com To: Fedora Art List fedora-art-list@redhat.com Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 2:00:15 PM Subject: Re: Leonidas background brightness Hey, On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Warren Togami wrote: Hi, I really like the new leonidas lion background. I have only one question. I have various files sitting on the right side of the GNOME desktop. Their filenames are in white and are a bit difficult to read due to the brightness of the lion. I am wondering might it be a good idea to darken the color of the background a bit so white filenames might be easier to read? Yeah for me it makes the right half of my desktop unusable. We can argue whether the desktop should be used but the fact is that it is today - and for many people they have icons covering both sides. Is this for dual or single? For single screen the lion shouldn't appear, only for dual on the right screen. ~m Actually, in the latest rawhide package the lion is there, but I am already working on updating the package both with the updated images as well as without the lion for single screen. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 12:51 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: Here are the exported JPGs [4][5], I'll upload the source xcf too (but on the wiki) if one of the designs would be accepted. Ok, based on the feedback, I've just uploaded the version without stripes [1] (although they are still present as a hidden layer in case we decided otherwise in the future). I've played with the image a little more to have the desired resolution (4096x1536 instead of 4070x1536). I am also going to update the package in rawhide. Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:King_4096x1536.xcf.bz2 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Improving Leonidas Backgrounds
On Mon, 2009-04-13 at 20:24 -0500, Ian Weller wrote: On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 09:09:42PM +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: On Sat, 2009-04-11 at 12:51 +0200, Martin Sourada wrote: Here are the exported JPGs [4][5], I'll upload the source xcf too (but on the wiki) if one of the designs would be accepted. Ok, based on the feedback, I've just uploaded the version without stripes [1] (although they are still present as a hidden layer in case we decided otherwise in the future). I've played with the image a little more to have the desired resolution (4096x1536 instead of 4070x1536). I am also going to update the package in rawhide. Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:King_4096x1536.xcf.bz2 Would you like me to recreate the wallpapers in the same way I did for the ones currently on the wiki or will you do that and upload the new wallpapers to the wiki as well? I'll upload them later today. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen (Catalin Festila)
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 16:38 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Anyway, Moblin is intended for special devices, it will always boot faster than a general purpose distro. I think we all would be happy with something more realistic around 20 seconds. Well, it still takes kernel to load a few seconds and udev a few seconds and X a few seconds... On standard machines I don't believe (much) less than 30s is possible if we are talking about booting to a fully loaded usable standard purpose desktop using kernel that is supposed to work on wide range of hardware... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: idea for Fedora boot screen
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 09:40 -0400, Michael Langlie wrote: Sorry about that. I had intended to but not yet found the way to animate GIFs in GIMP. One layer per frame, you'll specify that you want to make it animated during save. Not exactly convenient, since I haven't yet figured if there is a way to preview the animation in gimp, but not hard either. I also don't know where to specify frames duration (other than default frames duration that is set during save)... Here's a quick example [1][2] Mike Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gimp-ani/gimp-animation-test.xcf [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/gimp-ani/gimp-animation-test.gif signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Leonidas backgrounds
Hi, because KDE folks need this ASAP I've put the lions backgrounds into rawhide [1]. Now a few notes for folks: * -common subpackage contains stuff shared between KDE and GNOME * -kdm subpackage contains simplified background for KDM * -landscape subpackage contains the backgrounds from beta * everything is in jpeg, sans the KDM background. Rex Dieter says KDM handles only PNGs Now, a few notes for Samuele and whomever directly working on the backgrounds: * we need these sizes for dual screens: 4096x1536, 3840x1200, 2560x1024, I suppose the non-dual versions are simply crops of these. For the time being I've done some resizes/crops with the biggest version you provided [2]. Preferably in sanely compressed jpeg (try to get as small size as you can without visibly affecting the image quality, I've used 93 quality in gimp, but I don't have very good display so we might actually need higher values) * we need simplified version for KDM, probably in 2048x1536. Jaroslav, can you confirm the size? We need this one to be in PNG. * can any of you list the CC attributions in a sane format for me to put it into the package? Would be good to have it both for the landscape and lion wallpapers. Thanks, Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=97390 [2] https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e4/King_4070x1536.jpg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Leonidas backgrounds
On Fri, 2009-04-10 at 14:35 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi Martin, Hi Mo, Ian put these together: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11/RC#Wallpaper Ian has smaller versions for the 4:3 than I have (I've derived from the latest Samuele's iteration [1] which is 4070x1536, does not have the mirroring effect on the wavy lines and has slightly different colouring) and I've included the 1280x1024 ratio (I remember folks were complaining when we weren't originally going to have it in F10)... One question that comes to mind -- are we going to use the simplified version (i.e. without lion) for the single-screen wallpaper and add the lion only for dual-screen versions? That seems pretty odd to me... * we need simplified version for KDM, probably in 2048x1536. Jaroslav, can you confirm the size? We need this one to be in PNG. * can any of you list the CC attributions in a sane format for me to put it into the package? Would be good to have it both for the landscape and lion wallpapers. I listed this out in a recent email in the schedule thread. Thanks, I'll put them together somehow in one file and add them in the next iteration (which I hope will be the final one). ~m Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/e/e4/King_4070x1536.jpg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper Extras - was: Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:36 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin, Mo, let breathe a bit and make a plan: - when do we need the extra wallpapers packaged? a deadline... since we talk about bitmaps, can we go with something absolutely minimal for the freeze and add a few more later? I think, freeze is irrelevant here. It's highly probable it won't be on any of the official spins, so having the package released at the same day as GA is IMHO fine. - do we require some minimal specs for the images, like a minimum resolution? Good uestion. How does 1600x1200 and 1600x1050 as the minimum reqs sounds? I think I have some images that could do for nice wallpapers (mostly flower macros) and knowing about a deadline would be useful to prioritize some work (selection, gimping, upload). Cool. I think Mo should have the last word about the deadline, but you can do some work nevertheless, should you have some spare time to do it. Another question is, should we package all the wallpapers on the wallpaper extras wiki [1], or are we going to hand-pick a few? Also, I don't recall the conversation back then, but when googling, I found this proposal [2] from Ian that sound like a pretty big improvement over our current set-up. It would require probably these steps: 1. reorganise the wallpaper extras wiki, create categories and templates 2. create an art-team space on fedora hosted (with git for the stored images) 3. create a script (be it in python, ruby, perl, bash, whatever) to pull the images together with info (author, cc attribution, ...) from wiki and put them in a sane format into the git repo Note that we would benefit from the fedorahosted space even more - i.e. we would have good place to store the release graphics (especially the wallpapers which currently contain the source archive only within the srpm) have a place to track our tasks (ticket system) and could also be a better place than wiki for the design queue. Martin [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/Wallpaper_Extras [2] http://www.mail-archive.com/fedora-art-list@redhat.com/msg06898.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 Art Schedule
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 10:19 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote: On 04/08/2009 04:18 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote: I think maybe we should add several tasks on the schedule for explicitly blogging / otherwise announce (maybe via Fedora weekly news, any other ideas?) the current status of the artwork so it's known more widely than this list next time around. I tried to closely cover the artwork development for Fedora Weekly News, but since we didn't have explicit requests, I had no requests for feedback to pass on. TASK LIST STATUS (John, I apologize these are different than your numbering scheme.) 1. Wallpaper Design - We have the basic design from Samuele in 1920x1600: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:King_1920x1200.jpg - We will need this iterated out into the various standard, 4:3, and widescreen formats. Dual-screen would be nice too. 2. Plymouth Splash - Charlie is waiting on Samuele for a design for this it appears? 3. GNOME splash - we have these designs and I will happily adapt them to fit with the lion: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/ 4. KDE splash - same as #3 above 5. full screen splash for syslinux - nothing yet 6. grub splash - nothing yet (not sure if this is on the task list) 7. gnome screensaver lock dialog - nothing yet Just installed the F11 Beta on my desktop, it uses the GDM screen for unlocking the screen, so we don't need the screensaver lock dialog any more (at least on GNOME) 8. anaconda square splash - Samuele put some mocks together (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) but as we agreed a week ago, these are a bit too busy and still need to be simplified: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-art-list/2009-April/msg00015.html 9. firstboot vertical header - Samuele put one together that looks great (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/F11#King_Concept) 10. kdm - nothing 11. wallpaper extras - I do not think this is on your task list John but I think we need to add it. I want to try to revive the wallpaper project Nicu started so we can ship some nice extras wallpapers so the default wallpaper isn't the only thing we do. I was wondering if anyone has time to help me out with this? Or is it too late right now to do something like this? I am not sure we have enough time for those extra wallpapers, what the deadline would be for them? Martin started the collection of the wiki and at the time he talked about packaging. Martin, are you still up for for packaging them? Yup, I hope to put some packages together as soon as I have enough time to do so. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 19:11 +0200, Paolo Leoni wrote: 2009/4/6 Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro I like it better. I think it maybe is a bit too plain and trying to find some way to make it a bit flashier. Maybe making it look more like a sunrise? A glow around the statue? I know that it's not perfect...but do you intend something like this? https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/2/24/Deepsky-fedora11-countdown-banner_1c.png https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/9/9a/Deepsky-fedora11-countdown-banner_1c.svg I think this is much better than the previous takes. The glow nicely fits with the coming soon idea. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 19:37 +0200, Paolo Leoni wrote: In the past days some people have requested a F11 countdown banner for a blog using. So, below you can find a proposal: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/b7/Deepsky-fedora11-countdown-banner_1a.png https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/00/Deepsky-fedora11-countdown-banner_1a.svg The original background image was downloaded from here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonythemisfit/3387589463/sizes/o/ License seems to be ok for Fedora. Feedbacks are welcome. I'm wondering why nicu hadn't mentioned this (at least on the -art-list), but you might be interested in this one as well: http://blog.berkenpies.nl/2009/04/02/fedora-11-countdown-counter-part-2/ It's much closer to the graphics we'll probably go with for the release so it might be better to use it... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Fedora 11 countdown banner (artwork team release)
On Fri, 2009-04-03 at 19:37 +0200, Paolo Leoni wrote: In the past days some people have requested a F11 countdown banner for a blog using. So, below you can find a proposal: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/b/b7/Deepsky-fedora11-countdown-banner_1a.png https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/0/00/Deepsky-fedora11-countdown-banner_1a.svg The original background image was downloaded from here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonythemisfit/3387589463/sizes/o/ License seems to be ok for Fedora. Feedbacks are welcome. I'm wondering why nicu hadn't mentioned this (at least on the -art-list), but you might be interested in this one as well: http://blog.berkenpies.nl/2009/04/02/fedora-11-countdown-counter-part-2/ It's much closer to the graphics we'll probably go with for the release so it might be better to use it... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- Fedora-websites-list mailing list Fedora-websites-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-websites-list
Re: correct wallpaper format
On Sat, 2009-04-04 at 09:14 -0700, brian hurren wrote: Just trying to create some star-field wallpapers for the fedora astronomy spin. Just want to now what is the correct wallpaper format? I don't know which Desktop Environment is the Astronomy Spin using, but unless you are planning on making an animated wallpaper (like the time of day changes in F10 Desktop Spin Wallpaper) just plain png or jpeg is fine. Standard ratios are 4:3 (highest resolution with this ratio we support in Fedora 10 wallpapers is 2048x1536) and 16:10 (highest used resolution we support is 1920x1200) plus the weird 5:4 for 1280x1024 and I don't recall the exact resolution/ratios for EeePC, but I think it was non-standard as well. GNOME in addition supports defining the wallpaper via XML file which lets you support all size ratios you want in one file and also lets you create simple animations. Hope this answers your question :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: New Concept for F11 King
On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 23:01 +0100, Charlie Brej wrote: Máirín Duffy wrote: Also, some of our splash ideas (http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/gnome-splash_f11-4.png for example, with the Greek pattern) could be adapted to use the lion instead, so we would still be able to take advantage of that work. I made a couple plymouth options that combine the greek pattern with the theme. There are 4 levels of complexity. Which one do people think is best? http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/lion.jpg http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/lion2.jpg http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/lion3.jpg http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~brejc8/temp/lion4.jpg I think the lion and lion2 are too much complex. For me the lion4 is best, but I think you should change the progress-bars colours to better fit with the colour palette of the image. Also, maybe, only the bottom progress-bar would suffice (not sure though). I also think that the fedora logo should not be precisely in the center of the screen, maybe using gold-ratio to position it in horizontal direction would work. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: base banner style for f11 leonidas artwork
On Thu, 2009-03-19 at 06:48 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Nicu Buculei nicu_fed...@nicubunu.ro However, I find them a bit too plain, I would like them more vivid, maybe combined with the photo we are going to use as a background? Like this: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/gnome-splash_f11.png I'll raise your wallpaper splash with this: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/gnome-splash_f11-4.png What do you think? ~m Whoa, that feels like being exactly what has been missing on the banners! For me this would be the so far best way to go :) Just a suggestion. I think in this design the copyright notice and the Greek element below it would better work if they were placed at bottom, perhaps even in reversed order. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: base banner style for f11 leonidas artwork
On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 12:50 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Máirín Duffy What do you think about this as a base style to go with for the various banners/splashes for F11? http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/style/fedora-greek-style_mockup.png even plainer: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/style/fedora-greek-style_mockup_2.png A couple more along similar lines: http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/gnome-splash_f11-1.png http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/art/f11/mockups/splash/gnome-splash_f11-2.png (sorry about the extraneous useless message, my mail client is braindead sometimes) ~m These two look great. Although, wouldn't it be better to call it kde-splash (since, unlike the gnome one, it is enabled by default)? I am unsure which would be better though, perhaps I'm slightly more inclined towards the one with the 'fedora' word, rather than the logo. But come to think of it, would it be desirable/worth a try to promote the four foundations there - i.e. putting there the four F's logo? I think it might fit well within the design. And about the banners - they seem over too simple to me, there're lots of deaf space there (just simple gradient and nothing more taking up a lot of space). Starting with the second one and add some more details (not sure though, what would fit there) to the currently plain blue background might help. Also, what are these banners for? IIRC in anaconda these are shorter and thus the deaf spots would be reduced to practically nil. Overal I think the way you've chosen is a good one :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Sun, 2009-03-15 at 19:21 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: Based on some feedback we've gotten about the beta wallpaper, I have a couple of approaches to suggest for moving forward, let me know which you think is the better approach: 1) Islands - I saw the movie Mama Mia this weekend for the first time, and it's a movie based on a pretty Greek island. We did a survey a while back that indicated most people would prefer a landscape-based wallpaper, but maybe instead of going with mountains+temple wallpaper we could try a landscape based on the islands of Greece, e.g. maybe somewhat like this (higher res, and a bit cleaned up, no boat in the water and the land area here is a bit too busy, maybe replace it or clean it up): http://www.flickr.com/photos/johnkarakatsanis/3334225599/sizes/l/ (Santorini Island Greece, by John.Karakatsanis CC-BY-SA) 2) Mount Olympus - or instead we could take the temple out of the current wallpaper and focus a bit more wholly on the mountains as the symbol of Greece rather than the temple. We might need to swap Bob's photo out for an actual photo of Mount Olympus in this case though. Let me know if you have any thoughts, or even better mockups / adequately-licensed reference or source photos . Thanks ~m Hm... I'd say get rid of the trees or make them just complimentary part of the wallpaper, drop the focus away from mountains and instead have it on the temple. As it is now, it's cool and I would not want much of the elements to go away, but as Matthias said, the wallpaper is focusing on too many elements at once. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: new direction for the wallpaper
On Mon, 2009-03-16 at 11:25 -0700, Máirín Duffy wrote: - Original Message From: Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com Blame Matthias -- if it were not for him pointing it out, I wouldn't probably come to this conclusion all by myself. His critique made me think about it and you've read the result :-D Okay great. So all I need to do is send unintentionally offensive funny emails to start a controversy, and suddenly the feedback will pour in. I'm not sure I'm going to be up for that again, though. :( Not sure this was needed... But having it in release definitely helps a lot. Naturally, we cannot see everything ourselves, but the feedback from people outside of the Art Team can be the push (like with Matthias). I hope more mails will pour in after the Beta is released to public ;-) Come to think of it, it would be really great to have it in Alpha already, but seeing how we are always late with schedule (note that I'm also at fault here for not helping with the actual art)... But I think the new process of creating the art also contributed a bit to us not being exactly fastest this release... I'm sure next release will be better (unless we change the process again). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Just an FYI concerning the beta artwork
On Sat, 2009-03-14 at 10:55 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote: I hadn't seen anyone else bring this perspective up concerning the wallpaper in the beta and I thought it deserved attention for your consideration as a group. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-olpc-list/2009-March/msg00147.html Seems to me whoever chose the background that was introduced last week did not consider that items with overtones of dissentious subjects such as politics or religion might elicit emotional reactions. I'm concerned that when my system prominently shows a picture with a temple, that might be interpreted as Mikus worships paganism To my reckoning this is the first Fedora artwork that has had culture specific elements in it, so this sort of issue might never have been raised in prior discussions. I don't know, I mostly lurk. But I'm bringing it to your attention to make sure you see that reaction. -jef Hm... I don't see a valid reasoning there. There is vast difference between you worshiping ancient Greece gods (not that it would be something bad if you actually do) and having a huge Zeus' temple wallpaper hanging on your wall, let alone the wallpaper in your PC (which you can promptly change if you disagree with the content)... Come on, we have names of months named after ancient Rome gods (and important people) and it still does not say anything about our beliefs. While I agree we should stay away from political references, subtle cultural references are IMHO good and bring Fedora to next level in this aspect. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Banners and splashes
On Fri, 2009-03-13 at 16:42 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Paul W. Frields wrote: * KDE splash screen For the last releases the guys from the KDE got involved with that and a splash was produced. I've been talking about this one with Mo and jreznik (the guy doing all the artwork work for KDE) over IRC. Mo produced some sample graphics, I don't remember the address though (I could find it in Rawhide, but I'm currently in F10). Máirín, can you post the link here? * Plymouth bootup/loading graphics This area is poorly documented (is very new) but we have an expert in Charlie Brej. My personal option would be to use the default background (the temple landscape picture) and a progress bar. Mo thinks that something simpler would be better and I agree with her on this one. The F10 Plymouth is over too flashy. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [echo-perspective] New computer icon set
On Tue, 2009-03-10 at 11:02 +0100, Mark wrote: That icon looks.. odd If you ask me the lightest part of the keyboard is lighter then the lightest part os the screen. The darkest part of the keyboard is most certainly a lot lighter then the darkest part of the screen. (did that make sence?) My suggestion would be to make the bottom of the screen as dark as the bottom of the keyboard. And the same goos for the top of the screen holder (or how is that called) the top there should be as dark as the bottom of the keyboard. I hope this maked some sence.. kinda hard to explain it. Other then that it's a nice icon! Hi Mark, Thanks for your suggestions, but I am afraid I cannot do anything about that. First, the monitor and the keyboard a lighted slightly differently, considering the are positioned differently (vertical vs. horizontal) so there are bound to be some differences in lightness/contrast. Also the keyboard is not necessarily from the same material as the monitor and as a result it might have different light reflection/diffraction/scattering properties. And finally, I've tried darker keyboards and I didn't like them, I also tried lighter displays and didn't liked them as well. Show me way out of this dilema and I'd be happy :-) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [echo-perspective] New computer icon set
On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 02:31 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: 256x256 version has detailed keyboard meaning a lot of time were spent for name of input. I wonder how that will work out as standalone. Perhaps in the future we can adapt from Macbook layout. Standalone it looks pretty good as well as you can see in http://jimmac.musichall.cz/wipicons/Tango-NG//input-keyboard.png I made a slight modification with removal of wire as some keyboards are wireless. http://luya.fedorapeople.org/echo/devices/computer.svg The wire appears to still be there... Perhaps you uploaded wrong version? Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Picture Book Mockup
On Fri, 2009-03-06 at 02:44 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Ian Weller a écrit : | On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:07:38PM -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: | Setting in critic mode: | Did you use hyphen or em dashes in first and last paragraph? | Careful with the widow at the end of last paragraph? | Title Chapter 2: Friends is hard to read due to similar hue. Enlighten it | might help. | | This is a *mockup*. I'm also extremely picky about em dashes, and we'll | make sure we use those correctly in the finished book. :D Blame my prof for torturing me for using hyphen for mockup. Well, it makes things more effective when correct typography is used right from the start (hence why you prof. has been torturing you for hyphens even in mock-ups) ;-) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper for Beta?
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 21:35 -0800, Máirín Duffy wrote: This is what I've got https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Artwork#Beta_Mockups It's not perfect, but it's something what do you think? ~m Hi Mo, I've put them to a rpm package [1]. I'll submit it for inclusion in fedora later if you find it good. Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/packages/rawhide/noarch/leonidas-backgrounds-10.92.0-1.fc11.noarch.rpm signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New computer icon set
Hi, I've created a computer icon [1] for echo-perspective. I was having pretty serious difficulties with the keyboard design, so I decided to rather adapt the mango one [2]. Since it's also CC-BY-SA it should be OK. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/computer.svg [2] http://cgit.freedesktop.org/tango/tango-icon-library/tree/svg/input-keyboard.svg attachment: computer.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Picture Book Mockup
On Wed, 2009-03-04 at 16:18 -0600, Ian Weller wrote: On Tue, Mar 03, 2009 at 11:07:38PM -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Setting in critic mode: Did you use hyphen or em dashes in first and last paragraph? Careful with the widow at the end of last paragraph? Title Chapter 2: Friends is hard to read due to similar hue. Enlighten it might help. This is a *mockup*. I'm also extremely picky about em dashes, and we'll make sure we use those correctly in the finished book. :D Heh, are em dashes actually used in English? In Czech we use only hyphens, - (like in screen-cast), and en dashes, – (when separating sentences, denoting ranges, etc.)... Em dashes, —, seem over too long (to me) ;-) Although, for some reason my evolution displays both the en dash and em dash with same length (which is wrong)... Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Monthly News Issue 7, February 2009
Hi, We have published the sixth Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. This issue covers February 2009 and contains this topic: 1 New Icons 1.1 Perspective Regards, The Echo Team References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Echo Monthly News Issue 7, February 2009
Hi, We have published the sixth Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. This issue covers February 2009 and contains this topic: 1 New Icons 1.1 Perspective Regards, The Echo Team References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue7 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [echo-perspective] New folder-saved-search icon set
On Thu, 2009-02-26 at 12:50 -0300, Jayme Ayres wrote: Hi Martin, I would propose a small change in the style of pre-defined folders (like a Home, Find and etc). Note that I put a small shadow over the lens to give an effect of intrusion, I think it might look better[1]. [1] http://jaymeayres.com/arquivos/fedora/folder-saved-search.svg I think that looks very good! Thanks :) Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-new icon set
Hi, I've finished today one of the last icons containing the folder - folder-new [1]. I moved the plus sign to the top-right corner which brings the design closer to gnome and oxygen icon themes. I also feel that it works better in this place. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-new.svg attachment: folder-new.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New document-open icon set
Hi, I've also finished new document-open icon set [1]. There's not much to comment since it's basically just an adaptation of the current Echo icon to perspective projection. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/document-open.svg attachment: document-open.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [echo-perspective] New document-open icon set
On Wed, 2009-02-25 at 11:32 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Quoting Martin Sourada martin.sour...@gmail.com: Hi, I've also finished new document-open icon set [1]. There's not much to comment since it's basically just an adaptation of the current Echo icon to perspective projection. Could you match the text from 256x256 to the rest? It is odd the alignment is not the same. Good point! Fixed [1]. Luya Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/document-open.svg attachment: document-open.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-remote icon set
Hi, I've created another folder icon for the echo-perspective -- folder-remote [1]. This one features a brand new more detailed globe - I've used correct perspective so the continents might look a little distorted compared to the dimetric version. I've also covered Greenland with ice ;-) Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-remote.svg attachment: folder-remote.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New user-home icon set
Hi, I've created user-home icon set [1]. First let me say I've abandoned the original echo idea of having the blue-white echoey house leaning against the folder. Instead I've used same metaphor as gnome and oxygen does - i.e. drawn the house *on* the folder. I had two reasons - first it makes us more consistent with upstream defaults and second I really didn't like the original design when used with perspective projection. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/user-home.svg attachment: user-home.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-open icon set
Hi, another new icon - folder-open [1]. As you guess, I've began remaking the the whole folder set to have perspective projection. I will most likely send more e-mails with icons today... Comments welcome Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-open.svg attachment: folder-open.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-drag-accept icon set
Hi, as noted in my previous e-mail, here's another icon - folder-drag-accept [1]. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-drag-accept.svg attachment: folder-drag-accept.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-visiting icon set
Hi, following with another folder icon - folder-visiting [1]. This time I've again took preference of the gnome design in contrast to the original echo design. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-visiting.svg attachment: folder-visiting.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[echo-perspective] New folder-saved-search icon set
Hi, another new icon -- folder-saved-search [1]. As we haven't got that one in Echo at all, I'll probably make a bimetric projection version as well. But for now only the perspective projection. I've followed gnome-icon-theme design in this one so that it is consistent with user-home. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/echo-perspective/folder-saved-search.svg attachment: folder-saved-search.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [echo-perspective] New folder-saved-search icon set
On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 12:46 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Martin Sourada a écrit : | Hi, | | another new icon -- folder-saved-search [1]. As we haven't got that one | in Echo at all, I'll probably make a bimetric projection version as | well. But for now only the perspective projection. I've followed | gnome-icon-theme design in this one so that it is consistent with | user-home. Will the search symbol inside this folder be used as standalone instead of binocular? Probably not. The magnifier works better in combination with folder, but for system-search I'd stay with binoculars. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: starry background
On Wed, 2009-02-18 at 07:34 -0800, brian hurren wrote: Just created a realistic starry background but i can't figure out how to upload it so everyone can see it. I've created an account. Use https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Special:Upload and set something descriptive for file name, preferably with context prefixes (e.g. Wallpaper_universe_stars_hurren.png) to avoid possible conflicts with other images. Or you can put it on you fedorapeople.org space [1], if you have one. Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/fedorapeople.org signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: hello
On Tue, 2009-02-17 at 17:04 +0100, Thomas Kole wrote: I think africa would be a great style, imagine, zebras, giraffes, lions, a sunset and trees... What do you think? Hi Thomas, we decided that the theme would be Greece, preferably combination of landscape, grapes, olive trees, ancient temples, etc. You can work on it if you want. I've did a quick proof-of-concept sketch in inkscape [1] while Mo put together nice big picture of landscape [2] which might be used as abase for further development. It looks we'll go with a photo manipulation / collage this time. Your gimp skills might come handy in this. :-) Just find suitable (they need to have appropriate license so that it's legal to reuse it and freely distribute it) images a put the together, if you have an idea :-) Martin References: [1] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:F11_Artwork_Greece_Concept_mso.png [2] http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup2_mo.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
FLOSS Multimedia Support in Fedora
Hi, sorry for cross-posting but I wanted all interested parties to not miss this email ;-) There has been some media related discussion in the -devel list and one of the points I have taken form it is that we should promote FLOSS multimedia and don't blame others for doing it (even if it's done in a not ideal way)... Now, the problem is that the actual support of these in our system is crappy. Out of the combinations of two FLOSS containers (matroska and ogg) and two FLOSS video codecs (dirac and theora) I know only one (ogg + theora) actually works in xine-lib (used by KDE4) which is pathetic. So I created a wiki page (not sure what name space to use, so I put it under my user page for starters) [1] which tracks the situation. I don't have much time lately due to university duties, so I put there only things I know of and didn't researched further. So if you know of any FLOSS container, video or audio codec, feel free to add it there. Also feel free to reference upstream bugs about the mentioned issues. The videos used for reference testing are available at my fedora people page [2]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Mso/Open_Multimedia [2] http://mso.fedorapeople.org/codecs-test/ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Monthly News Issue 6, January 2009
Hello, We have published the sixth Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. This issue covers the first month of 2009 and is composed from these topics: 1. Echo Perspective starting of Fedora Hosted 2. New Echo Artist Scripts and Supporting Icon Artist Library 1. Initializing New Git Repository 2. Updating Your Local Copy of Git Repository 3. Creating New Icon from Template 4. Adding Icon to Repository Regards, The Echo Team References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue6 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Echo Monthly News Issue 6, January 2009
Hello, We have published the sixth Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. This issue covers the first month of 2009 and is composed from these topics: 1. Echo Perspective starting of Fedora Hosted 2. New Echo Artist Scripts and Supporting Icon Artist Library 1. Initializing New Git Repository 2. Updating Your Local Copy of Git Repository 3. Creating New Icon from Template 4. Adding Icon to Repository Regards, The Echo Team References: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue6 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 visual concept idea - greek
On Fri, 2009-01-30 at 09:54 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Hi Samuele, Samuele Storari wrote: Hi all I work on the Acient Greek theme for this Fedora's release I think is the best one. Mo I'd like your idea to create a collage from different landscape or other image. For this theme I try to work on the Spartan Leonidas idea, I work on the Acient Helm so we don't have discussion on violence or other not connected idea. I started looking some inspiration photos on flickr http://www.flickr.com/photos/ghost_of_kuji/2763629314/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/protectorrr/2714125326/ then I draw my own. Let me suggest to you guys my idea and let me know your guess and your suggestions. Maybe someone could help me to find some more dettailed photos of the helm? For F11 we're trying to work together on the same concept, we aren't doing competing ideas anymore. Our deadline for a decision on the visual concept (basically, how will we visually depict 'Leonidas') is February 1. Do you think there is a way we can integrate the idea of your helmet with a landscape of Greek architecture for the wallpaper, and maybe we could integrate the helmet in other artwork too? Do you have any ideas on what a landscape with the helmet integrated into it might look like? I do think based on the wallpaper poll results that we should try for a landscape for the wallpaper, but that doesn't mean we can't have a helmet placed in it or somehow work the idea of a helmet in it? I like the idea of having a helmet somewhere because Leonidas was from Sparta and Sparta was very militaristic, but at the same time a helmet is for protection so it's not too violent a symbol as you said. What do you think? Do you have ideas on how we can work together? ~m I think adding a helmet would be great. I have an idea of small bronze Greek helmet laying on the ground - either on the bottom left on grass (here I'd use some older helmet, let it blend with nature), while the bigger temple being on the bottom right, or having the helmet laying on one of the stairs leading to temple (if we make a temple with stairs; here I'd use rather shiny new helmet). Either way, my idea is focusing rather on the spiritual part of the image, I'd draw it how it could look if the temple was new and still used by old Greeks, perhaps around the columns could be some grapes or some other plant growing, I can also imagine hot springs (with vapour flowing up from the springs, creating a mist) and maybe forest or small bushes nearby, possibly with Mt. Olympus being seen in a distance. Though I am not sure if we'd be able to do such complex art from scratch with inkscape; or if we'd be doing photo-realistic one, if we could get hands on fitting and properly licensed photos... Maybe if I have enough time I'll try to sketch the idea in inkscape, but do not expect something that will look good _ Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: F11 visual concept idea - greek
On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 05:29 -0500, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Quoting MáirÃÂn Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org: Hi folks, This is a really really sloppy mockup but hopefully illustrates the kind of visuals I'm thinking of for F11: https://fedoraproject.org/w/uploads/8/83/Artwork_F11_greek-concept_mockup1_mo.png I think of desolation when I see that image with a ruins from old Greek temple (tend to get bored so easily) and a very dry land. That picture would mean Fedora after collapse. Greece is famous with its olive field so the land needs to be green. I see mountain that look like Olympia and the sky appears to be a god/goddess land. That image needs to be live, not dead. Let see what the next iteration will bring. Yep, I like the concept as a whole, but I'd perhaps use some ancient temple/building that is *not* in ruins, Also having the ground covered in green (or more colours, if it were to evoke spring) would definitely make the image better/livelier. Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Wallpaper survey
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 16:48 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: Ian Weller wrote: However with the Grecian columns and stuff we need to be careful of not looking ancient, as some might say, but instead looking functional, practical, etc. Yes definitely. Like if the columns are ruins, we don't want to give off the message that Fedora is in ruins or something like that. We want to highlight the positive aspects... eg rather than posing Fedora as the column, if we've got say a pretty columns-ruins landscape, pose fedora as the vines and plants and nature growing on top of the the old columns (the columns then become the establishment/proprietary software) Then it becomes more, 'Fedora - making proprietary OSes history' rather than 'Fedora is old broken crap!' :) ~m Well, I think if the columns were not ruins [1](i.e. would be still standing and would not be broken, I think there are such in Greece even now) it would give much better message, like 'Fedora outlives its creators' or something like that (well, my example is a bit lame, I am not good with this stuff after all...). Martin Reference: [1] http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/51/Stoa_in_Athens.jpg signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Discussion About Echo Perspective
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 16:56 +0100, Mark wrote: Hi martin, Hi Mark, But now something i don't understand. You seemed to be a person heavily in favor of the isometric perspective.. what happened with that idea? is isometric gone and is this the new idea? For isometric it was relatively unique in both style and idea but this new perspective is nearly plain flat. I like the icons but they are not new and there are better looking ones out there. If you're going for this new idea then you can better just quit and use tango icon library and improve that where needed. The icons you've made already look a lot like tango. We aim with Echo to be the default icon set in Fedora. Because of the reasons you stated bellow it's better to make Echo as much consistent with gnome-icon-theme *and* oxygen as possible. Yet, we'd like to keep the Echo feel (that's why we cannot *just* modify tango). You can think of it as echo stylised tango. One the other hand, we'll continue with the isometric icons as well for those who'd like to have something more unique. In short, Echo Perspective aims to be good default, moderately consistent with upstream defaults, Echo whatever aims to be a unique set utilising different kind of projection (we use the dimetric projection, in our guidelines still called isometric perspective) than most icon themes use. I never fully understood why a new theme had to be made anyway. I did (with isometric perspective) offer something different then tango but now with the flat design it simply doesn't offer anything new or better or revolutionary or anything. So please just using/modifying tango instead of making a new icon theme that looks nearly the same. Also other applications (pidgen and openoffice (i could be wrong about this one) and a range of other applications already use tango as there default icons so the full desktop experience will probably be a lot better if that's all just using tango. I know you can modify about every app in the fedora repo to have the icons you've developed but that's, to me, just a waste of developer time. Don't get me wrong! i like your icons! i just thing that there is already a icon theme exactly like it called Tango. We'd like to be moderately consistent with Tango, but we want more lively colours and perhaps more realistic feel. It means the development can be way faster because we can reuse already developed tango or oxygen icons, only restyle them to have echo feel. But in some cases - e.g. folder or trash - we'd like to have more unique design. I also tried to do the same with the display - if you compare tango/mango/gnome/oxygen displays to my design, you'll notice many differences (personally, I don't the tango/mango design and the gnome design uses CRT monitor, which is sort of outdated). Good luck, Mark Thanks you for your comments and questions, Martin PS: If it goes on like this, I think we could have enough material to make a short FAQ page for Echo ;-) signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Art ideas for Fedora 11 (grub, boot, splashes, window decorations, button styles etc...)
On Sun, 2009-01-11 at 18:14 +0100, Mark wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 5:29 PM, Máirín Duffy du...@fedoraproject.org wrote: Are you talking about just the colors of FC1-FC4 or the actual theme? And are you talking about the *artwork* or are you talking about the GTK/metacity etc? Just the colors. and that can be used to make a new theme for Fedora 11 I am just talking about artwork here I'm kinda talking about both.. Well, for GTK/Metacity related talks, please make a separate thread for it. If you make mockups, I'll consider them. I am currently working on a major rewrite of nodoka (so far only GTK), you can check the progress usually on my blog [1]. The latest screenshots are at [2], though in my laptop I am already a few steps farther... I've already reworked progress bars and will write new post when I finish the Scales. Martin Refereces: [1] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/ [2] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2009/01/my-new-years-updates-to-nodoka.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Discussion About Echo Perspective
Hi all, I've just posted a poll about Echo Perspective on Fedora Forum [1] to see our user base opinion and I'd like to hear the opinions of the Art Team members as well. As you are probably aware of, we are starting Echo Perspective and are selecting the designs to start with. All the design concepts are displayed together in our latest monthly issue [2]. I'd like to hear your opinions about these designs as I don't want this decision to be two people + user base poll only, and I'd like to see more people from the Art Team involved. Also being it the Art Team, I'd like this to be rather discussion than handful of +/-1 ;-) Thanks, Martin PS: Note for new members: do not hesitate to join the discussion, your opinion is as important to us as that of the old members :) References: [1] http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=210159 [2] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue4-5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Monthly News Issue 4-5, November - December 2008
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 23:15 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, We've just published latest Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. Due too lack of enough content, it is joint of November's and December's happenings. The topics are: * Echo Perspective - Proposed Designs * Proposed Guideline Changes - Bitmap Post-processing in Echo Icons Regards, The Echo Team Sorry for the second mail, I forgot to actually add the reference. [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue4-5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Echo Monthly News Issue 4-5, November - December 2008
Hi, We've just published latest Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. Due too lack of enough content, it is joint of November's and December's happenings. The topics are: * Echo Perspective - Proposed Designs * Proposed Guideline Changes - Bitmap Post-processing in Echo Icons Regards, The Echo Team signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Monthly News Issue 4-5, November - December 2008
On Tue, 2009-01-06 at 23:15 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, We've just published latest Echo Monthly News Issue [1]. Due too lack of enough content, it is joint of November's and December's happenings. The topics are: * Echo Perspective - Proposed Designs * Proposed Guideline Changes - Bitmap Post-processing in Echo Icons Regards, The Echo Team Sorry for the second mail, I forgot to actually add the reference. [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue4-5 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: cursors
note: I don't see on art.gnome.org of gnome-look.org categories for cursor themes to propose something else as a base. It's under X11 mouse themes [1] on gnome-look.org. Martin References: [1] http://www.gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=36PHPSESSID=fc360c0c1a3ada490a992c917403cd2d signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Echo] Making final decisions about perspective
Hi, First sorry for not hearing from me for such a long time - I don't have much spare time lately... Next, I think we need to make final decisions about the new perspective to Echo and update the guidelines appropriately. My ideas about this can be summarized as follows: We will start new Echo Perspective icon theme which will * be developed in parallel to the current Echo * until it reaches good enough coverage, it will fallback to current Echo and gnome-icon-theme * use same Perspective Projection as in tango/mango for 32x32 icons and bigger, and in cases where it helps icon distinction in smaller sizes as well, Flat Perspective will be used for the rest * allow small amount of glows/glazes/shines in 256x256 version to achieve better realistic look * use ~ 1 px thick solid borders at *all* sizes Apart from that I'd like to chose the final design for monitor (keyboard is not yet prepared), folders and trash. You can see the candidates (there aren't many) at the wiki page dedicated for this purpose [1]. If you still wish to add your candidate - the design does *not* need to be complete for that purpose - you still have time. I hereby announce the closing date for adding your candidates is 24.12.2008 (though I don't expect many people working on this particular date). We will then decide the which designs we will use and the results will be officially announced in the next Echo Monthly News issue (whose November's issue I skiped due to lack of time and enough content). Finally I'd like to propose, and add it to our guidelines, that we allow small amount of bitmap post-processing in our icons under these conditions: * the post-processed bitmap must look closely similar to the original SVG * the post-processing used must be fully reproducible using either ImageMagick or gimp and must be documented * only steps that can be automated must be used Your comments on all theses matters are welcome. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] New folder design concept
On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 15:14 -0500, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Quoting Martin Sourada [EMAIL PROTECTED]: As promised , here's [1] a new design concept. I'd say it's more realistic and less Echoey, but IMHO looks good :-) Could you give version with the set of icon size? Just finished [1]. Martin [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective attachment: folder2.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] user-trash concept
On Thu, 2008-11-27 at 11:17 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Just completed installation to Fedora 10. Added in Echo Perspective is trash concept based on real object using Martin's gradients. Feedback welcome. As a concept I think it could work, the exact implementation however lacks something. I am not sure which might it be, but perhaps the gradients are too much of a combination of metallic and grey and it clashes when used together. Could you try to achieve more realistic look and having the outlines more subtle, only to emphasise the shape, but not to clash visually with the fills? Feel free to adjust the gradients as you see fit - the versions from me are supposed to be base set and it's desirable to adjust them for the exact icons they are used in. I also think the thrash material could have some depth in the 256x256 version. The shadow should be IMHO nearly realistic in 256x256 version. You could also try to slightly distort the ellipse to achieve perspective imitation. Don't know with what size you started, but I tend to start with the 256x256 one and gradually decrease amount of detail when doing the smaller ones. It helps me better define the exact implementation of the chosen metaphor (which, on the other hand, has to be chosen to look good down to 16x16 size...). Luya Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Echo Perspective] Trash Can concept #2
Hi, I've added another trash can concept [1]. It's based on the current Echo icon. I've made only the 256x256 size, I'll create the other sizes later... Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective#Trash_Can attachment: user-trash.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] Trash Can concept #2
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 19:55 +, Camilo Mesias wrote: I love the look of that, with a minor quibble about the perspective of the front and rear rim. It has a touch of the 'Last Supper' about it Well, in fact the top rim isn't circular but rounded triangular... Combined with the perspective it then looks a little bit like wrongly used perspective for circular rim ;-) I'll probably need to add some more details into the gradient to better reflect it... :) -Cam Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] New folder design concept
On Sat, 2008-11-22 at 00:27 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 09:05 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: :( It retains the thing I disliked the most about the old echo folder - that weird curved bend. I have never seen a folder that looked like that and it makes it seems cartoony like a folder from toontown. If it's meant to be straight but bent, it needs shading to indicate that. I think though, better to have a much more straight line than that weird bow. At least lessen the curve, you know? I'd like the folder to be from more elastic material, perhaps leather, therefore it makes sense if it is bent. But yeah, the curve might be done differently. Or perhaps you mean the front-upper part? In this case that's what I like about the old echo folder... It makes it different from other themes and I pretty much like it that way... But I'll sketch a non-bent version to see if it actually isn't better (but not before tomorrow). As promised , here's [1] a new design concept. I'd say it's more realistic and less Echoey, but IMHO looks good :-) Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective#Directories attachment: folder2.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
[Echo Perspective] New folder design concept
Hi, I've just finished first take of the folder design for Echo Perspective [1]. I do not hide that the design has been inspired by Mac OS X Leopard folder as well as current Echo folder. I've more or less retained the original colour, but adjusted it to better fit with our colour palette. Comments welcome, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective attachment: folder.png signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] New folder design concept
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 12:42 +0200, Nicu Buculei wrote: Martin Sourada wrote: I've just finished first take of the folder design for Echo Perspective [1]. I do not hide that the design has been inspired by Mac OS X Leopard folder as well as current Echo folder. I've more or less retained the original colour, but adjusted it to better fit with our colour palette. Do I notice also a color change compared with the current icon? (not that would be a bad thing) http://git.fedorahosted.org/git/?p=echo-icon-theme;a=blob_plain;f=base/scalable/places/folder.svg;hb=HEAD Yup, not a big change but still pretty easy to see ;-) It's now slightly more to the red spectrum of colours and less saturated (this is much more obvious than the slight spectrum change). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: [Echo Perspective] New folder design concept
On Fri, 2008-11-21 at 09:05 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote: :( It retains the thing I disliked the most about the old echo folder - that weird curved bend. I have never seen a folder that looked like that and it makes it seems cartoony like a folder from toontown. If it's meant to be straight but bent, it needs shading to indicate that. I think though, better to have a much more straight line than that weird bow. At least lessen the curve, you know? I'd like the folder to be from more elastic material, perhaps leather, therefore it makes sense if it is bent. But yeah, the curve might be done differently. Or perhaps you mean the front-upper part? In this case that's what I like about the old echo folder... It makes it different from other themes and I pretty much like it that way... But I'll sketch a non-bent version to see if it actually isn't better (but not before tomorrow). Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Perspective; In need of new computer, directory and trash design
On Tue, 2008-11-18 at 11:03 -0800, Luya Tshimbalanga wrote: Will the guideline be still be the same beside perspective? It will be good to give constraint and rules. As I outlined in the blog post [1] it is possible to change other guidelines as well but I'd rather only clarify them on the huge size (and perhaps the echo elements section) and add the new perspective. When we decide on the computer, directory and trash icon we can review which parts of guidelines would need to change. Martin References: [1] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/11/echo-icon-theme-perspective-part-iii.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Perspective; In need of new computer, directory and trash design
Hi all, I've unofficially started the Echo Perspective by creating a proof-of-concept video-display icon [1]. I think because we are starting new icon set from the start we can afford more radical changes than before to Echo. Most of them are visible in the icon I've created. But we need more, namely redesign of the directory and trash icons. It would be great if as many people as possible submitted their ideas for these, either here on a wiki I've created for this purpose [2]. You can also submit competing ideas for the computer icon if you'd like. If you'd like, you can consider it a competition. The prize is obvious - the selected design will be visible on every desktop using the Echo Perspective icon set. Though I'd rather consider it a gathering of ideas... :-D Also, I would not like this to be limited to current Echo developers, so please, everyone who has any design idea feel free to submit it ;-) You can read more in my latest blog post [3]. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Image:Echo-perspective-video-display-mso.png [2] https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/EchoIconTheme/Perspective [3] http://mso-chronicles.blogspot.com/2008/11/echo-icon-theme-perspective-part-iii.html signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Echo Monthly News Issue 3
Hi, Echo Monthly News Issue 3, October 2008 [1] has just been released. This issue highlights these topics: 1. New Icons 2. New Templates 1. General Template with Gradients 2. Paper Template 3. Emotes Tempate 3. Echo Won't Be F10's Default Icon Theme 4. Icon Check Script 5. Echo Future Martin and the Echo Team signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Re: Echo Monthly News Issue 3
On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 19:38 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, Echo Monthly News Issue 3, October 2008 [1] has just been released. This issue highlights these topics: 1. New Icons 2. New Templates 1. General Template with Gradients 2. Paper Template 3. Emotes Tempate 3. Echo Won't Be F10's Default Icon Theme 4. Icon Check Script 5. Echo Future Martin and the Echo Team Oops, forgot to add the references: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue3 Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-announce-list mailing list fedora-announce-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-announce-list
Echo Monthly News Issue 3
Hi, Echo Monthly News Issue 3, October 2008 [1] has just been released. This issue highlights these topics: 1. New Icons 2. New Templates 1. General Template with Gradients 2. Paper Template 3. Emotes Tempate 3. Echo Won't Be F10's Default Icon Theme 4. Icon Check Script 5. Echo Future Martin and the Echo Team signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Echo Monthly News Issue 3
On Sat, 2008-11-01 at 19:38 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote: Hi, Echo Monthly News Issue 3, October 2008 [1] has just been released. This issue highlights these topics: 1. New Icons 2. New Templates 1. General Template with Gradients 2. Paper Template 3. Emotes Tempate 3. Echo Won't Be F10's Default Icon Theme 4. Icon Check Script 5. Echo Future Martin and the Echo Team Oops, forgot to add the references: [1] https://fedorahosted.org/echo-icon-theme/wiki/MonthlyNews/Issue3 Martin signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Re: Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
On Wed, 2008-10-29 at 22:47 -0400, Mairin Duffy wrote: Hi Martin, Hi Máirín, Martin Sourada wrote: If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze break at Friday. Jesse said he really needs this ASAP, so I think we should get it to him tomorrow morning. He's on West Coast US time so that will give us a few more hours for folks to review but then I think we should just push it out. Hopefully we will have an opportunity to fix any other bugs as a result of preview release feedback. Thanks so much for getting this done so quickly, it's a real lifesaver! Kevin already found a error there (1280x1024 having only 1014 height) and built a fixed package [1]. I'll request the freeze break then. Martin References: [1] http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=68083 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
Updated Solar Backgrounds Package
Hi, I've just built an updated Solar Backgrounds Package with many fixes provided by Mo, and more resolutions/ratios [1]. As per request from both gnome and kde folks the package has been split into solar-backgrounds (for Desktop Live Spin) solar-backgrounds-common (for KDE) and solar-backgrounds-extras (containing everything not included in the previous two). Since we are in freeze already (sorry for it, we could not make it in time) and the packages are rather big, I'd like you to test it first before I request a freeze break. You can d/l from koji [1]. Please report any problems, preferably on fedora-art-list or by mail to me directly. If no serious problems/regressions are reported, I'll request a freeze break at Friday. Thanks, Martin References: [1] https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/buildinfo?buildID=68050 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Fedora-art-list mailing list Fedora-art-list@redhat.com http://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-art-list
