kb to control audio line-in instead of pcm
Hi all, [Reposted: apology if this appears twice. I never received a copy from fedora-list although it did make it to gmane] This is a generic question about some user settings. Hope this is not considered off-topic. I need some help from the sound gurus among us. Running f10, pulseaudio in charge. My Logitech keyboard has 3 keys for audio: mute, up, down. Looking at my keyboard shortcuts I see that they are bound to XF86AudioMute, XF86AudioLowerVolume, XF86AudioRaiseVolume. If I open the Volume Control applet I see that it is using the Alsa mixer. Two of the sliders are PCM and Line-in. The XF86Audio functions are bound to the PCM control. Is there a way to change that binding so that the XF86Audio controls refer to Line-in? (some of my favorite stuff is 33 1/3 rpm :) Mike Wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
mailing list losing mail?
Hi all, This list is getting more messed up by the day. Several weeks ago mail started lagging 10-25 minutes. Now mail is disappearing. I sent a post to this list yesterday @ 22:44 UTC. My server shows that it was accepted and queued for delivery. It never showed up on the list (I've checked to make sure it didn't accidentally get caught in a spam filter.) Oddly, it did show up in the gmane archives. So, I reposted that email this morning @ 16:32 UTC and once again it never appeared but did show up in gmane almost immediately. UPDATE: I just received a copy of my post 31 minutes after sending it. How can my mail make it into gmane's archives almost immediately but take more than half an hour to appear on fedora-list? These delays certainly (imo) take a lot of the usefulness away from this forum. Starting to remind me of snail mail conversations :/ My 0.02, Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mailing list losing mail?
g wrote: g wrote: Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, snip this email took about 6 minutes to come back thru list. why delay, i can not answer. but i do see where. while waiting, i looked at you email of 2010.0108 and i did note a delay of about 1 hour. being that you are using thunderbird, use ctrl+w to have a look at headers and you will see where it was delayed. Thanks g, This is from the last 9 messages headers. At first it looked like dns errors, then maybe greylisting, but I think the variation in delivery times points to something else. The delay is always between my server and the server below. Received: from mx1-phx2.redhat.com (HELO mx01.util.phx2.redhat.com) 00:28:14 00:28:21 00:28:13 00:24:56 00:26:41 00:24:43 00:28:46 00:26:50 00:20:08 Mine is a qmail server that's been in service for years. Neither it nor its dns has been changed (that I remember) and all other mail seems to show up almost immediately. I've been on this list for a really long time and never had problems before. Wonder what it could be? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
kb to control audio line-in instead of pcm
Hi all, This is a generic question about some user settings. Hope this is not considered off-topic. I need some help from the sound gurus among us. Running f10, pulseaudio in charge. My Logitech keyboard has 3 keys for audio: mute, up, down. Looking at my keyboard shortcuts I see that they are bound to XF86AudioMute, XF86AudioLowerVolume, XF86AudioRaiseVolume. If I open the Volume Control applet I see that it is using the Alsa mixer. Two of the sliders are PCM and Line-in. The XF86Audio functions are bound to the PCM control. Is there a way to change that binding so that the XF86Audio controls refer to Line-in? (some of my favorite stuff is 33 1/3 rpm :) Mike Wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: list server got slower ?
Mail Lists wrote: As of a few weeks ago, posting to this list got the post back in my mailbox in a few minutes. Now I am seeing delays. I spot checked a couple of posts (1 mine 1 someone else via yahoo) - the 2 machines that take the longest to pass messages through are: lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com --- 2 mins mx01.util.phx2.redhat.com --- 7-10 mins I noticed it, too. One of the last servers in the chain took 26 minutes to pass on an email I posted back on the 22nd. It's been slowly improving since then. I wonder if it's related to the mailserver changeover? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
OT: howto change Firefox's default print options
Hi all, I need help with the default printing options in Firefox. It has a very annoying feature when trying to print: it insists on providing me with preselected headers and footers. Page defaults can only be set after selecting Print. Go to tab Options and then manually deselect the four preset header and footer options. That boils down to seven mouse clicks, *per document*, just to get rid of something I never asked for and don't want. What usability genius thought that one up? (Are we sure we haven't been invaded by M$ moles?) I've tried making changes in about:config but have no idea what I'm looking for. The probable looking things I've changed seem to have no effect. If anybody knows how to do this I'd love to learn it from you. Thanks for your help, Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: howto change Firefox's default print options
Rick Stevens wrote: On 12/22/2009 11:32 AM, Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, I need help with the default printing options in Firefox. It has a very annoying feature when trying to print: it insists on providing me with preselected headers and footers. I believe the things you're looking for are in about:config. Look for print.printer_(printer_name).(attribute). The attributes are: print_footercenter print_footerleft print_footerright print_headercenter print_headerleft print_headerright Thanks, Rick. Those are the ones I mucked with. No cigar though. Any changes made there cause the status to change temporarily from default to user_defined. After printing the current document they revert back to default. It appears that there is no way to modify the default behavior and that the only way to get rid of that idiocy is to compile the browser oneself? IMO it makes a lot more sense from a usability perspective to click once to enable something desired than to have to click seven times to disable something undesired. I always felt that Mozilla/Firefox was the standard to which others should aspire but I fear that I may be seeing signs of pig lipstick... :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: howto change Firefox's default print options
Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 13:42 -0800, Mike Wright wrote: Rick Stevens wrote: On 12/22/2009 11:32 AM, Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, I need help with the default printing options in Firefox. It has a very annoying feature when trying to print: it insists on providing me with preselected headers and footers. I believe the things you're looking for are in about:config. Look for print.printer_(printer_name).(attribute). The attributes are: print_footercenter print_footerleft print_footerright print_headercenter print_headerleft print_headerright Thanks, Rick. Those are the ones I mucked with. No cigar though. Any changes made there cause the status to change temporarily from default to user_defined. After printing the current document they revert back to default. You've probably tried this, but just in case you haven't... :-) File - Print... - Options tab - Header and Footer There are two rows of three pull-down option menu boxes that correspond to the six about:config options you already found. You can set any or all to --blank--. Any changes you make should be written to the ~/.mozilla/firefox/random.default/prefs.js file when you exit Firefox. It should be owned by you.you and its access permissions should be 755. Unfortunately, there are only two ways out of the print box: print and cancel. Thanks, anyway HTH --Doc Savage Fairview Heights, IL -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: howto change Firefox's default print options
Rick Stevens wrote: On 12/22/2009 01:42 PM, Mike Wright wrote: Rick Stevens wrote: On 12/22/2009 11:32 AM, Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, I need help with the default printing options in Firefox. It has a very annoying feature when trying to print: it insists on providing me with preselected headers and footers. I believe the things you're looking for are in about:config. Look for print.printer_(printer_name).(attribute). The attributes are: print_footercenter print_footerleft print_footerright print_headercenter print_headerleft print_headerright Thanks, Rick. Those are the ones I mucked with. No cigar though. Any changes made there cause the status to change temporarily from default to user_defined. After printing the current document they revert back to default. My mistake. There are multiples of those. I'd discovered the transient ones and made my changes there where, surprise, they didn't stick. , much better now... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT M.I.T. TED new way of I/O
Mick M. wrote: Whoa check this video out: http://www.snotr.com/video/3471 same but 3rd person: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/pattie_maes_demos_the_sixth_sense.html Thanks for posting those links. I would have never found them myself. Even though it may have been OT wrt Fedora, it does show that the open source paradigm is alive and gaining ground (imho). Also considering that Fedora already has non-proprietary mouse and webcam support it would be really nice to see this included (someday). Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT M.I.T. TED new way of I/O
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 6:19 PM, Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.comwrote: Mick M. wrote: Whoa check this video out: http://www.snotr.com/video/3471 same but 3rd person: http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/pattie_maes_demos_the_sixth_sense.html Thanks for posting those links. I would have never found them myself. It was all over the technical sites at the time, not to mention ted.com of course. Practically anything related to computing technology is going to be of interest to at least some members of this list. That isn' t enough reason to post it here IMHO. Even though it may have been OT wrt Fedora, it does show that the open source paradigm is alive and gaining ground (imho). How so? The presentation doesn't so much as mention open source. Besides which, this is not in fact a discussion list about open source as such. It's a list about Fedora. This is in the list headers: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. To me encouragement implies that there will be a future full of users of various needs and wants that should be welcomed to try to make whatever it is work for them. Who knows what new branch may grow because of some OT questioner that happens to be a Fedoran explorer? Hope it's Friday where you're at. If I ever meet you the next pint is on me. :m) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: duplex prob
Gene Heskett wrote: On Saturday 12 September 2009, sureshbabu ct wrote: I have a Fedora-5 machine.. with two LAN (RTL 8139 c) cards. machine is being used for internet sharing .(proxy) In that, one LAN card is connected to local area connection and another one is connected to a Broad-band internet connection, while using this command mii-tool eth0: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link eth1: 10 Mbit, half duplex, no link how to change this to full duplex. I have added this line in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0, after that also it is not changingplz help me... OOTPROTO=none What is this OOTPROTO thing? You are missing the B that makes it BOOTPROTO, and I have no idea what none is supposed to do, static and dhcp are the 2 common arguments there. Hi, Gene. I ranted about this a couple years back. The documentation is explicit; however, static is so widely misused that it is now tested for and set to none. Static is not a boot protocol period punto final. Here's the thread (you may notice a few recognizable denizens;) http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/Fedora/2007-11/msg02711.html About half way down look for The Official RedHat Linux Reference Guide Chapter 12. Network Scripts HWADDR=00:40:95:78:1E:B7 ONBOOT=yes NETMASK=255.255.0.0 IPADDR=172.19.1.42 USERCTL=no IPV6INIT=no PEERDNS=yes TYPE=Ethernet GATEWAY=192.168.1.11 *ethtool -s eth0 autoneg off ethtool -s eth0 speed 100 duplex full* -- -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: flash cookies
Les wrote: Have all of you seen this: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/security/?p=2299tag=nl.e036 It appears that Adobe flash can generate its own form of cookie and even respawn HTTP cookies after your browser closes. I don't know yet if this affects our Fedora machines, but what a sneaky piece of crap. +1 I've heard them referred to as pies. They maintain copies of cookies which are then used to restore them after they have been deleted. Same attitude in Redmond. They think *they* own *your* computer. You can always run your browser in a virtual machine and discard any changes when you shut the virtual machine down. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
firefox file-upload broken?
Hi all, F10, firefox-3.0.13. Don't know if this is a firefox or fedora firefox bug. Any web developers out there??? Given this html: forminput type='file' //form View that in the browser and you will see an input text box with a Browse button. Click inside the text box. If your experience matches mine it will act as if the Browse button has been pressed and a File Open dialog box opens. That is broken with a capital F! Unfortunately, this means it is no longer possible to drag an image onto a file upload box and have its file location entered into the text input box. Instead the image replaces the current page. So that means forget about plugging in your USB camera and drag-and-drop your pictures onto a form. Gramma's just gonna have to learn about file systems. Umm, no. Can't much see that happening ;( Surprising to see this hasn't been noticed yet (that I know). Does anybody know if this is supposed to be the new behavior or is this just a mistake that hasn't been caught? Waiting for feedback, thanks, Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: firefox file-upload broken?
brian wrote: On 09/08/2009 06:38 PM, Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, F10, firefox-3.0.13. Don't know if this is a firefox or fedora firefox bug. Any web developers out there??? Given this html: forminput type='file' //form View that in the browser and you will see an input text box with a Browse button. Click inside the text box. If your experience matches mine it will act as if the Browse button has been pressed and a File Open dialog box opens. That is broken with a capital F! How so? Hi Brian, thanks for listening to my observations. Maybe I'm missing something here but, imho, if I focus on a text box and a browse the filesystem event occurs, that is a bug, no? Otherwise, what is the purpose of the text input box in an input type='file' anyway? Been working on a project using Prototype.js and this left me with the feeling that some observer had intercepted the wrong event. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Cannot upgrade to F11: /usr/tmp is not a symbolic link???
Tony Nelson wrote: On 09-09-05 19:05:48, Dan Hensley wrote: I'm trying to upgrade my Fedora 9 system to Fedora 11 from DVD, but right after I identify my partition, it gives me an error saying that /usr/tmp is not a symbolic link, so please reset it to its original state. The problem is, /usr/tmp IS in its original state. It was a symbolic link pointing to /var/tmp. But I changed it anyway to be a symbolic link pointing to /tmp instead, and the installer is still complaining. How do I get past this? I've Googled but have not found any resolutions--only one other person with a similar question, but no answer. WAG: permissions? owner? # ll -d /usr/tmp lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 10 2009-07-28 07:31 /usr/tmp - ../var/tmp shouldn't that be ../../var/tmp ? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Cannot upgrade to F11: /usr/tmp is not a symbolic link???
Todd Zullinger wrote: Mike Wright wrote: # ll -d /usr/tmp lrwxrwxrwx. 1 root root 10 2009-07-28 07:31 /usr/tmp - ../var/tmp shouldn't that be ../../var/tmp ? Why? When you're in /usr, it's only one .. to get to /var. my bad. don't know what I wasn't thinking ;) thnx -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: howto play audio here and hear it there
Tim wrote: Tim: Hmm, and for the rest of us that have proper networks, and don't want to run zeroconf, we can't do networked pulse audio? Marko Vojinovic: Forgive my ignorance, but why is running avahi a problem? It was on by default in all Fedora installations that I can remember ever installing. One more thing running on a system that's already got far too many daemons running. Auto-network configuration can bite you on the bum when you start up your computer, and it doesn't connect to your own network like it should do. e.g. The server was temporarily down, or inaccessible, then other things (the rest of your PCs) configure themselves in an incompatible way. This is very bad for non-technical users, who think that the network is fine, when it's not. Quoting from the service itself, pay particular note to the last sentence: This is a daemon which runs on client machines to perform Zeroconf service discovery on a network. avahi-daemon must be running on systems that use Avahi for service discovery. Avahi-daemon should not be running otherwise. Ah, thank you, Tim. I've always had NOZEROCONF=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network but noticed that in f10 routes for 169.254.0.0/24 on all physical network cards were created *anyway*. That explains that mystery. Good-bye avahi-daemon. Sometimes it feels like fedora is becoming windows... :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
firefox/thunderbird doesn't render accented characters
Hi all, Currently using f10, although I can't say for certain on which version this problem appeared. Both firefox and thunderbird replace accented text with a black-backgrounded question mark. If I wget these files the characters display correctly. If I save them from either of the mozilla apps the files are saved with the replaced characters instead of the originals. View source on firefox is useless because even the source is mangled but with thunderbird I can see replacements such as these: =A0, =B9, =E6. Just in case those get mangled they are equal-sign capital A zero, equal-sign capital B nine, equal-sign capital E six. I've tried setting character encoding to utf-8, utf-16, iso-8859-1, iso-8859-15, windows-1252 with no effect. This is particularly horrible on the mailing lists where an email will display properly but when replied-to arrives mangled with black blotches throughout. The longer the thread the more black appears until it reaches a point where it is not even worth attempting to read it anymore. Does anybody know what this is about and what I can do to remedy the situation? Thanks for any help, Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
packagekit broke rhythmbox
Hi all, Using f10 here. Once again packagekit broke my system. I started an update yesterday afternoon and it seems it decided to connect to some repo in outer Slobovia with a 300 baud link, so I closed all my other applications and left it to do its thing. When I got to my desk this morning the system was still cleaning up. There was a popup on my desktop that showed a blue progress bar beneath which was sos. Gee that's useful. Had to manually kill the updater. (should be called degrader ;) When I went to use Rhythmbox to listen to CBC I no longer could. Apparently some decoder went missing during the update. Yum update gstreamer and rhythmbox had no effect - nothing to update although it did advise me that it was freeing eighteen locks! Here is what ps has to say: rhythmbox \_ /usr/libexec/gst-install-plugins-helper --transient-for=58720289 gstreamer|0.10|rhythmbox|text/html decoder|decoder-text/html How/where do I get and install this? Why did it disappear (or was this dependency added)? Why does packagekit hang? This is extremely frustrating. Between vim hanging and leaving zombies all over the place and now a system gone mute I have to say my experience with f10 has been the worst of the lot. (Not a rant; just the facts, ma'am.) If somebody can give me some help on this I'd be most appreciative. Thanks, Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: packagekit broke rhythmbox
Bill Davidsen wrote: Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, Using f10 here. When I got to my desk this morning the system was still cleaning up. There was a popup on my desktop that showed a blue progress bar beneath which was sos. Gee that's useful. Had to manually kill the updater. (should be called degrader ;) Here is what ps has to say: rhythmbox \_ /usr/libexec/gst-install-plugins-helper --transient-for=58720289 gstreamer|0.10|rhythmbox|text/html decoder|decoder-text/html Don't interrupt downloads. I assume it was getting the /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/sos file when you killed it, probably leaving things python broken. Thanks for the help, Bill. I thought the sos was an s.o.s. :D It had been 16 hours already and I'm on a 1.5meg dsl line so my guess is the interruption likely happened elsewhere. I'm just the evil killer :) If the problem arose because of that, how do I repair the damage? I tried every yum thing I know, but removing python to re-install it would take most of the system with it. The database is clean, no dupes, it verifies, and I'm stumped. I just want my radio back ;( --- that's not a wink, it's a tear... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: packagekit broke rhythmbox
stan wrote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:48:17 -0700 Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.com wrote: The database is clean, no dupes, it verifies, and I'm stumped. If you have yum-utils installed, if you haven't already done so, you can run the command package-cleanup --problems If this shows no problems, as seems likely from your comment above, run yum-complete-transaction It will look for transactions that didn't finish and try to complete them. PackageKit actually uses yum under the covers, so it should find any from packagekit also. If that doesn't work, why not try another update? I don't recommend yum clean all in this case as that will remove all the packages you've already downloaded at such cost. Cleaning the metadata ensures that you get new repo data. yum clean metadata yum update This should work because yum doesn't actually update any packages until all the packages are downloaded and it has run a transaction test. Thanks both to Paul and Stan. You all are going to love this. I created a file with the contents of the station link: http://www.cbc.ca/livemedia/cbcr1-toronto.m3u I opened that as a PlayList in VLC, made my selection and tried to play it. error...restart...error...restart... ad infinitum. But the error wasn't coming from cbcr1-toronto.m3u, it was coming from, gonna love it, http://vorbis.nm.cbc.ca:80/cbcr1-toronto.ogg. So I changed the extension to .ogg: http://www.cbc.ca/livemedia/cbcr1-toronto.ogg and reopened the PlayList in VLC, selected its one item and, ecco me qua donna mia, it began to play. OK, I'm very mystified at this point so I decide to open Rhythmbox. I opened the previously needy of test/html CBC1 radio station, mind you, without making ANY changes, other than erase it, reinstall it, downgrade it, upgrade it, but it now works. (They are discussing kilts at this moment. I never knew they had built in underwear that are very comfortable. That sure destroyed a myth :) There is an obvious break somewhere in the shared configuration files but I have no idea where. I'm just happy to have me radio playin' :D -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Multiple IP addresses without aliasing?
Ryan Lynch wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 17:36, Sam Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com wrote: Ryan Lynch writes: Do the Fedora network init scripts support additional secondary IP addresses without the use of alias labels? Does an option for IPv4 addresses exist that works like IPV6ADDR_SECONDARIES? I just skimmed /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt, but I didn't see anything to that effect, so I'm guessing the answer is no, and I have to use aliases and 'ifcfg-eth?:0' files. Yes, at least for IPv4. There is absolutely no support from the GUI, but you can manually install /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX:Y. For example, I have an ifcfg-eth1 and an ifcfg-eth1:1, with a second IP address. Just copy ifcfg-ethX to ifcfg-ethX:1, and stick in an additional IP address. That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid--I don't want Fedora to add the 'eth0:0', 'eth0:1', etc. labels. I'm wondering if the init scripts support multiple addresses WITHOUT aliases. I've never been able to find a solution to that that didn't require running another script. /etc/rc.local is a kind of catch all. There are also /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-post and ifdown-post. Using iproute2 certainly gives good control. ip address add 10.20.30.40/8 dev eth0 ip address add 10.20.30.41/16 dev eth0 ip address add 10.20.30.42/24 dev eth0 ip address add 10.20.30.43/32 dev eth0 ip address add 192.168.1.1/24 dev eth0 is an example of how to add addresses to an interface. You may also use the same command to setup routes for your new found diversity of addresses :) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Multiple IP addresses without aliasing?
Ryan Lynch wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 17:59, Mike Wrightmike.wri...@mailinator.com wrote: Ryan Lynch wrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 17:36, Sam Varshavchikmr...@courier-mta.com wrote: Ryan Lynch writes: Do the Fedora network init scripts support additional secondary IP addresses without the use of alias labels? Does an option for IPv4 addresses exist that works like IPV6ADDR_SECONDARIES? I just skimmed /usr/share/doc/initscripts-*/sysconfig.txt, but I didn't see anything to that effect, so I'm guessing the answer is no, and I have to use aliases and 'ifcfg-eth?:0' files. Yes, at least for IPv4. There is absolutely no support from the GUI, but you can manually install /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ethX:Y. For example, I have an ifcfg-eth1 and an ifcfg-eth1:1, with a second IP address. Just copy ifcfg-ethX to ifcfg-ethX:1, and stick in an additional IP address. That's exactly what I'm trying to avoid--I don't want Fedora to add the 'eth0:0', 'eth0:1', etc. labels. I'm wondering if the init scripts support multiple addresses WITHOUT aliases. I've never been able to find a solution to that that didn't require running another script. /etc/rc.local is a kind of catch all. There are also /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup-post and ifdown-post. Using iproute2 certainly gives good control. ip address add 10.20.30.40/8 dev eth0 ip address add 10.20.30.41/16 dev eth0 ip address add 10.20.30.42/24 dev eth0 ip address add 10.20.30.43/32 dev eth0 ip address add 192.168.1.1/24 dev eth0 is an example of how to add addresses to an interface. You may also use the same command to setup routes for your new found diversity of addresses :) I'm familiar with the manual method. What I'm wondering, now, is whether the init scripts support any method that achieve the same effect. Forget what I said about ifup-post and ifdown-post. That was a brain fart. I think there used to be ifup-local and ifdown-local but they no longer seem to be called. You could hack that into it, but from my point of view I'm trying to learn how to drink the fedora kool-aid. Looks like you are too. Sorry I couldn't be of more help. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
why root to set default desktop background?
Hi all, This sure seems ridiculous to me. I changed my desktop background. No problem. But when I chose Make Default I was notified that takes super user permissions. What the heck is that about? This is the user. This is the user's desktop. I can imagine the boss being thrilled to death that his sysadmin spends his days changing his co-workers desktop backgrounds. I don't know who or why but imo this is just plain lame. I've posted to this list before about usability issues and the user experience and in some ways it seems that each release gets clumsier. I especially cringe when advised make some change then reboot. I suppose soon we'll have a button that says Start to shutdown ;/ Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: why root to set default desktop background?
Todd Zullinger wrote: Mike Wright wrote: This sure seems ridiculous to me. I changed my desktop background. No problem. But when I chose Make Default I was notified that takes super user permissions. What the heck is that about? This is the user. This is the user's desktop. It's not. The 'Make default' button is for making your chosen background the system-wide default (the tooltip for the button even says this). So it's not at all unreasonable that this requires root privileges. Thanks for setting me straight on that. Feeling a little crabby today. When I went to my desk this am I found my fonts had all changed overnight... to 6pt. Couldn't even read my mail with 2.75 lenses perched on my nose. Felt like I had a bag over my head and somebody had rearranged the furniture :( :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
gvim lockup on f10
Hi all, Running f10 here. I've had gvim lockup solid on me about a dozen times so far. Symptom is that it's window won't accept focus (mouse cursor disappears on hover) so I have to resort killing it by clicking on the X control in the title bar. Then when it is restarted it warns that there already exists a .swp file and should it (Recover, Edit Anyway, Abort, Quit) but that window is also locked up and gvim has to be Xed away again. After removing its swap I can restart it and it will run normally, at least for a while. Removing my .gvimrc has no effect on the situation. Has anybody else experienced this? Thanks for any feedback. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
pulseaudio - WOW
Hi all, I'd like to share a positive experience with sound on f10. I'd had issues with the mute button not working (turns out it was, it was just muting a different channel than the one I was listening to). Once I learned about the different mixers and volume controls it has just worked for me. I'm listening to a CD right now and get a popup when each song begins that shows the album cover, name and song title. Very nice surprise. I enjoy international music so I've been using VLC to explore the shoutcast feeds and once I find a keeper I add it to Rhythmbox. I tried to play one of the stations and got another popup advising me that I was missing a particular codec and would I like it to try to find it for me. Feeling brave I agreed. That's when I had my WOW moment. It went exploring and installed some files from a bad repository, some others for dependencies. When all was said and done it had not only installed the missing codec but also quicktime and midi software with the midi font library. A quick restart of Rhythmbox and everything just works. I can actually listen to VLC, Rhythmbox, and the CD player, all at the same time. I was actually listening to the same shoutcast on the two different players, with a slight delay between them for a music in-the-round experience. Fun stuff. Having lived with marginal audio experiences on Linux for the last decade or so this is nothing short of amazing. Kudos to all involved. Great work. For those of you still having problems I feel for you but be confident. I have heard the future and it sounds great! Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
missing dependency
Hi all, I've just come across this: - Finished Dependency Resolution perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed-0.08-6.fc10.2.i386 from updates has depsolving problems -- Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9.0.11 is needed by package perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed-0.08-6.fc10.2.i386 (updates) I'd bugzilla it but I've never been able to figure out which packages different things belong to. Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: missing dependency
Remi Collet wrote: Le 31/07/2009 19:49, Mike Wright a écrit : updates has depsolving problems -- Missing Dependency: gecko-libs = 1.9.0.11 is needed by package perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed-0.08-6.fc10.2.i386 (updates) perl-Gtk2-MozEmbed-0.08-6.fc10.3 is now available in updates Thanks for your help. Hmm, can't find it. Can you point me to a repo? requires gecko-libs = 1.9.0.12 (provided by xulrunner) xulrunner-1.9.0.12-1.fc10.i386 is installed. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Q about alsamixer:CD
Hi all, I too have been struggling with sound but am making some progress. One question that remains after years of fedora: In the alsamixer applet one of the available input controls available under preferences is CD. My CD has *always* been controlled by the PCM input control. I've connected the separate cable from the drive to the motherboard with no effect. (It seems that the audio cable is useless, too?) So here's the 50cent question. Just what does the CD input control? Inquiring minds want to know ;/ :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Mute button on T61 doesn't work in F11
Hi Matthew, I've lost the original message-id so I've started a new thread with the same subject (nabble, gmane, etc. don't provide the original message headers). I'm guessing that your mute control and volume controls have become attached to different sound channels. I had a similar problem on f10. I listen to a radio tuner that's fed into Line In. At first the kb mute, volume up, and volume down buttons worked. Then the mute button went on vacation, i.e. when pressed the popup would show muted but the sound was not muted. Then yesterday morning I popped in a CD which brought up Rhythmbox. Volume AND mute buttons were both working. Well, me thinks, this is cool. After the CD finished I went back to my radio on Line In but then none of the keyboard controls worked. :( It turns out that there is the system volume control (by default on the default toolbar), the volume controls on the alsamixer, and another controller found at System-Preferences-Hardware-Sound. From there go to Default Mixer Tracks and choose (Alsa mixer) from the dropdown box. There you will see the same controls as on the alsamixer. By holding shift-control one can select multiple channels to control from the keyboard. (I deselected master and selected both PCM and Line-in). Voila'. Now the main volume control handles the master channel and the keyboard controls pcm and line-in. Since I only use one at a time there is no conflict for me. What had happened? Can't say for sure but it seems the the mute button had become attached to pcm while volume controls were attached to line-in (which later moved mysteriously to pcm). So... there is definitely a bug in there somewhere but I don't know enough yet to help track it down. Hope that helps. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Q about alsamixer:CD
Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, I too have been struggling with sound but am making some progress. One question that remains after years of fedora: In the alsamixer applet one of the available input controls available under preferences is CD. My CD has *always* been controlled by the PCM input control. I've connected the separate cable from the drive to the motherboard with no effect. (It seems that the audio cable is useless, too?) So here's the 50cent question. Just what does the CD input control? Inquiring minds want to know ;/ It controls the input labeled on CD on the sound card. This will only produce output if you have the analog audio cable between the CD-ROM drive and the sound card. The reason you use the PCM input to control the CD volume is because the player is getting the data from the drive over the (S)IDE interface, and feeding the digital data to the PCM input of the sound card. Thanks for the reply, Mikkel. I just tested that setup. Make sure audio cable is in place; attach kb volume controls to CD; play CD; test CD volume control on alsamixer; test kb volume controls: no effect. To make sure I rebooted and checked BIOS controls for sound (none). I guess it's possible the m/b CD input and/or the audio cable is broken. But at least I've found a viable means of controlling sound so I'm a happy camper now. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
update viewer: terrible user interface (imo)
Hi all, I posted about this many fedoras ago but apparently my plaint fell on deaf ears. When I use the Update Viewer I am presented with several categories needing updating. There is an option to review all or update all. There is no option, for example, to update only security fixes. This is what I think is an example of a hideous user experience: I click on the icon that indicates updates are available and select Show Updates. Gee, there are only 300. So I select Review and am now presented with 300 packages, each with a separate checkbox PREVIOUSLY SELECTED. There is not even an option for select all or deselect all. You get them all, period. There is no way to restrict the update process to only certain categories. Instead I have the delightful prospect of scrolling and clicking, scrolling and clicking, scrolling and clicking until hell freezes over or my carpal tunnel syndrome becomes so inflamed that I'm not even able to touch a keyboard or mouse for days. So, because of this incredibly retarded interface (from a usability point of view) we just have to bite the bullet and update all. Now let's see what happens. Something goes wrong. Perhaps my system becomes unstable or networking goes on vacation or my sound disappears. Wow! I only have 300 packages and all their dependencies to sort through. Guess what? It ain't gonna happen. You'll definitely get no feedback from me other than a rant that this process is so horribly borked as to preclude me from ever using this (it's not a bug it's a) feature. So here's a question to the developers of the Updater. Have any one of you ever gone through the update list and individually unchecked each of them? I recommend it highly, *especially* when there are several hundred of them pending. You may actually get a feeling for what you have inflicted on the rest of us. Here's an analogy: You go to the supermarket and take a shopping cart. Surprise! Surprise! There is already one of everything in the store in the cart all ready for you to go through checkout and buy it all OR you can spend a leisurely day going through the aisles and returning everything you don't want to its appropriate place on the shelf. I wonder when is the next time you'd go back to that store? Yeah, me neither. If Amazon's user interface worked that way they'd still be waiting for their first stooge ;D And if I ever delivered an app' like that I'd be out of work :( As was once observed, A point in every direction is the same as no point at all. Probably not worth $0.02 but I felt compelled to share my user experience and my thoughts about it. Thanks for your time, Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
need help testing firefox bug in 3.5
Hi all, Running f10 here with firefox 3.0.11-1.fc10 and have noticed a quirk. I would like to post a bugzilla to the mozilla site but they only accept bug reports against the latest release, which is now 3.5. On the 3.0 series the text inside a button moves to the right 1px when active (on mouse button down). Holding the mouse button down and moving off the button the text returns to its correct position. Moving on and off the button one can see the text move back and forth. This only occurs when the button, input type='button' or input type='submit' is wrapped inside a dd tag. Following is an html snippet that can be used to test this. html body dlddbuttonPress Me/button/dd/dl /body /html If there's an f11 user with firefox 3.5 installed I'd appreciate their help verifying that this still does, or no longer does, have this quirk. Thanks for any help, Mike Wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: need help testing firefox bug in 3.5
jack craig wrote: On 07/17/2009 11:16 AM, Mike Wright wrote: html body dlddbuttonPress Me/button/dd/dl /body /html hi mike, i have fc11 ff 3.5. i add your snippet to a file, open it with ff. near as i can tell, there is no movement of text at all. i realise a pixel isnt much to move, but my eyes dont detect any movement, just the highlighting as the mouse over happens. this with or without the left mouse button held down. Thanks for the help, Jack. Nice to know that it's been fixed in ff3.5. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
kb shortcuts: mute doesn't work
Hi all, Running f10 here and have noticed a bug. I have setup a keyboard shortcut for my keyboard's mute button. When I press it the speaker image appears and the little red box with an x in it also appears, indicating that sound has been muted. Oops! Volume is still on, no muting takes place. The shortcut is XF86AudioMute. Oddly the shortcuts to raise/lower the volume do function correctly. Has anybody else seen this? If so, is there a fix? Thanks, :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
zombie process: Xsession
Hi all, Using f10 here and have noticed a zombie process: [Xsession] defunct. It only appears in runlevel 5, and then not until after logging in. AFAICS it doesn't appear to affect anything but I just don't feel comfortable around zombies ;/ Is this an issue that should be addressed? (the zombie, not my discomfort:) Thanks, :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
bonobo, desktop session, dbus error
Hi all, Back again and need your help. Using f10. I have the following error in /var/log/messages... bonobo-activation-server (mike-3948): could not associate with desktop session: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-xc6twP0KeN: Connection refused ...and indeed there are no dbus-* entries in /tmp. I have tried logout/login and reboot (retch; so m$) Does anybody know what creates this dbus socket? There are no references to bonobo or dbus in init.d. Where are these mysterious services invoked? From where and how are they controlled? Thanks for any insight, bloody idiot or bleeding on the edge, not sure which or both ;) :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: bonobo, desktop session, dbus error
Rick Stevens wrote: Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, Back again and need your help. Using f10. I have the following error in /var/log/messages... bonobo-activation-server (mike-3948): could not associate with desktop session: Failed to connect to socket /tmp/dbus-xc6twP0KeN: Connection refused ...and indeed there are no dbus-* entries in /tmp. I have tried logout/login and reboot (retch; so m$) Does anybody know what creates this dbus socket? There are no references to bonobo or dbus in init.d. Where are these mysterious services invoked? From where and how are they controlled? Thanks for any insight, bloody idiot or bleeding on the edge, not sure which or both ;) The dbus stuff is part of the messagebus service. You should, as root, service messagebus start to get it running. To ensure it starts at the next boot, chkconfig messagebus on. It's odd that it's not running. You should check /var/log/messages to see if there's something funny in there that caused it to crash. Hi Rick, Many thanks. Once again you have ridden to my rescue. One of the first things I do after installing a system is go through chkconfig --list | grep :on and turn everything off that seems mysterious or ludicrous (eg: do I really need bluetooth or isdn?). Seems I was a little too ambitious this time. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Logged in twice?
gil...@altern.org wrote: P.s.: Writing emails in this web interface at altern is really a pain. What's the way to register to this mailing list without having one's personal email address divulged? For instance, in your case, kjchome.net/ doesn't seem like a valid address. Check out www.mailinator.com. I subscribe to each list with both my personal email address and one from mailinator. Then, if possible, I disable delivery to the mailinator account. All lists arrive at my personal email address; all posts come from my mailinator address. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Virtual Box install problem on FC10
Yoram Halberstam wrote: Hi, I've tried, unsucessfully, to install Sun Virtual Box on my FC10. It's a bit of a funny install where you have to install the package and then compile it for your system... Very well, I'm not a Linux expert so I suspect it has to do with virtualization in the kernel. Hello, Yoram, I just installed VirtualBox onto an f10 system and was amazed at how easily/completely it was done, including setting up the user and appropriate devices. I can't speak to any special requirements you may have, but for me it went without a hitch. Straight from the horse's mouth: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads There are fedora installs for 7 through 11. The user manual is in .pdf; section 2.3 covers Linux installs. Sun is to be credited for a job well done. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Flood blocking
Ashley M. Kirchner wrote: I currently have one system I'm testing the following rules on: iptables -N SSHSCAN iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 22 -m state --state NEW -j SSHSCAN iptables -A SSHSCAN -m recent --set --name SSH iptables -A SSHSCAN -m recent --update --seconds 300 --hitcount 2 --name SSH -j DROP And just by watching it for the past few days, those rules seem to work pretty well. So, it made me wonder, can I apply the same rules for FTP and e-mail (with the correct port information of course.) I get *a lot* of failed FTP attempts. Especially when the sun comes up in Asia. And then there's the e-mail spam that also doesn't stop. So, can I take those same set of rules above, replace the port number and name, and have them work for FTP and e-mail as well? Am I overlooking something really obvious? Hi Ashley, I had somebody pounding at a pop server so I applied a similar set of rules, different seconds and hitcount. Eventually the miscreant(s) got bored and went away. I'd have to say yes. hth, :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
AVC Denial icon
Hi all, I've always avoided SELinux, but with the advent of f10 I've decided to drink the kool-aid; however, it hasn't always been sweetened. I've been getting these popups: - Selinux AVC Denial Click on icon to view - Where is this icon supposed to appear? If it is on one of the standard taskbars I must have deleted it before I realized it might be useful :( I tried to re-add it but it doesn't appear to be one of the available launchers. Anybody know how to restore it? TIA, Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: AVC Denial icon
Paul W. Frields wrote: On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:43:19PM -0700, Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, I've always avoided SELinux, but with the advent of f10 I've decided to drink the kool-aid; however, it hasn't always been sweetened. I've been getting these popups: - Selinux AVC Denial Click on icon to view - Where is this icon supposed to appear? If it is on one of the standard taskbars I must have deleted it before I realized it might be useful :( I tried to re-add it but it doesn't appear to be one of the available launchers. Anybody know how to restore it? Interesting, that app should be appearing by default. It looks like a 5-pointed yellow star (like a sheriff's badge). You can check your System Preferences Sessions and look at the startup programs, making sure the sealert (or setroubleshoot) app is started. Thanks for the tip. That shows that it does launch on startup. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is lvm deprecated?
David Burns wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Mike Burger mbur...@bubbanfriends.orgwrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 8:59 AM, Mike Burger mbur...@bubbanfriends.orgwrote: What you'll want to do, now, is to run system-config-lvm, and run through the process of creating actual logical volumes and setting them up as filesystems. It's actually very simple and painless. I burst out laughing when I read this. I'm not sure if I should be happy or unhappy about your laughter...especially since my response was born out of nearly 7 years of using LVM tools under AIX, and 4 or 5 of doing so under Fedora. Which part of my response drove you to laughter, if I may? It's difficult to explain. I wasn't thinking anything like Whoa, that person must be so crazy or anything like that. It was just pretty obvious that our perspectives are completely and (to me) amusingly different. Calling LVM 'useful' or 'powerful' would not have made my eyes bat, but 'simple' is too close to 'obvious' (that was the warm-up) and 'painless'? I guess it seemed to me that the entire conversation would never have happened if it was painless. Sort of like saying The pain you feel is an illusion! Master your emotions! Get a grip! I guess it could also be seen as funny from the perspective of, well, nothing is so simple and painless that there is no one lazy enough to get confused by it and earn themselves some pain by their confusion. Let me confess, I've always tried to remain as ignorant as possible about LVM, and so any confusion and pain I've encountered is well earned by me. It is mine alone. It's a bit analogous to newbies struggling with the distinctions between devices, disks, partitions, and file systems. Most of these things can now be dealt with in a way that, once mastered, seems fairly simple and painless (though people still trip up). But to someone who is new to it, it seems pretty annoying. Maybe just a bit more effort with LVM would bring me to the promised land of painless simplicity. Dave My turn, ROTFL !!! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to redirect http to https with Apache/SVN/SSL
Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I am trying to solve one last problem with my Apache/SVN/SSL with http to http redirection. Is it possible to do? Here's an idea. Create a one line file http://host.example.com/index.html meta http-equiv=refresh content=0;url=https://host.example.com/svn/svn1; / -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
f10 install - low screen resolution
Hi all, I've decided it was time to drink the KoolAid so I downloaded the f10 Live CD, burned a bootable image, and hit reset. All in all pretty impressive. However, the screen resolution defaulted to 800x600, useless on a 22 lcd display. In f-system-preferences-hardware-screen_resolution there was only one selection available: 800x600. Aaargh! As a work-around I copied over an xorg.conf file from another machine, did the old init 3; init 5 routine and suddenly had a high resolution display. What I don't understand is that this display adapter has worked beautifully in fc4, fc6, and fc8 installations. lspci reveals the card to be an nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15) (I know: nVidia = proprietary) but this card is ancient and has been well supported for many, many years. Now, a neophyte trying out this release would have no idea about xorg.conf and would certainly not have a copy of it laying around. How would they be able to handle this? Below is the relevant section from xorg.conf: Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver nv VendorName Videocard vendor BoardName RIVA TNT2 EndSection Section Screen Identifier Screen0 Device Videocard0 MonitorMonitor0 DefaultDepth 24 SubSection Display Viewport 0 0 Depth 24 Modes1680x1050 1400x1050 1280x1024 1280x960 1280x800 1152x864 1024x768 EndSubSection EndSection The below are the resolutions offered after I added the above xorg.conf. 1600x1200 1400x1050 1280x1024 1280x960 1152x864 1024x768 ... 320x240 There is absolutely NO correlation between the two that I can ascertain. Also, 1600x1200 is squeezed into the 1680x1050 area resulting in ovals instead of circles and squashed fonts. Anybody have any advice on how to get decent settings? When there was an option for Display settings this was fixable, but now we don't even have that choice. Smells an awful lot like a regression. Anybody remember wy back to the RedHat 4 boxed distro with a dead tree manual included? If you wanted to you use it you had to spring for a Matrox video card to the tune of half a grand. I never did get to use it. Had to wait for 5.2. :( Thanks for any help, Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
gnome toolbar bug
Hi all, There has been a bug with the gnome toolbars that has persisted through every fedora version I've ever used and is easily reproducible. I like top and bottom toolbars and prefer them not to expand and to auto-hide. Whenever I login I get both toolbars at the top. Selecting properties for the misplaced one there is a position dropdown for top, bottom, left, right. Choosing bottom results in a 1 or 2 second pause and the selection is reverted back to top. To cause it to go back to where it should be, open properties and select expand, then select bottom, then deselect expand. Works every time. Note that if the toolbar's property is set to expand it always appears correctly. At one time I fixed it by mucking around in some xml file somewhere in .gconf (I think) but haven't been able to figure it out again. (damn CRS ;) I can live with this, even though I have to go through the same procedure every time I login. Very annoying and time consuming. If somebody knows how to solve this I'd love to hear from you. Thanks, Mike Wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: is lvm deprecated?
Richard Shaw wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.comwrote: Hi all, This is wrt f10. I have an 80G drive. When I installed f10 I chose a custom layout for it. My intent was to have a separate /boot partition, swap partition, and 4 lvms of approx. 20G each. When all was said and done the drive ended up looking like this: /dev/sda1 * 1 13 104391 83 Linux /dev/sda2 14243519454715 83 Linux /dev/sda32436485719454715 8e Linux LVM /dev/sda44858996441021977+ 5 Extended /dev/sda54858727919454683+ 8e Linux LVM /dev/sda672807406 1020096 82 Linux swap / Solaris /dev/sda77407996420547103+ 8e Linux LVM Certainly not what I intended. Tried lvdisplay and got no results. Tried lvscan first then lvdisplay and got the same outcome. vgdisplay, ditto. pvdisplay, nada. fdisk seems to think there are logical volumes. cat /etc/mtab and I see this: /dev/mapper/pdc_gdgdgcfhp1 (and 2). In fact in /dev/mapper there are 9 of these. Anybody know where this is documented? Is lvm dead? Inquiring minds want to know ;) Thanks for any insight, Mike Wright I think what you really want is one volume group and four logical volumes. I think you created 3 volume groups but perhaps someone with more LVM experience would know better. Been using and enjoying lvm2 for quite a while. What you describe is exactly what I wanted. I thought I'd done this correctly. Done it many times before. I guess I screwed it up but wasn't sure whether it was me or the new installer. Thanx, :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Apache Virtual Server
Dennis Kaptain wrote: I am playing with the Zend Framework on my laptop. In my reading of Zend documentation it looks like Zend wants a certain directory structure so I created: /var/www/html/QuickStart/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/application/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/application/controllers/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/application/views/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/application/views/scripts/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/library/ /var/www/html/QuickStart/public/ The last directory 'public' wants to be the DocumentRoot I want to set up a virtual server whose DocumentRoot is /var/www/html/QuickStart/public my machine's name is confianza and it is running Fedora 10 [r...@confianza conf]# uname -a Linux confianza 2.6.27.21-170.2.56.fc10.i686 #1 SMP Mon Mar 23 23:37:54 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux I set up /etc/hosts so both confianza and confianzazend resolve to 127.0.0.1 [r...@confianza conf]# grep 127.0.0.1 /etc/hosts 127.0.0.1localhost.localdomain localhost confianza confianzazend My current apache web server uses /var/www/html as it's DocumentRoot and runs fine. [r...@confianza conf]# yum list installed | grep -i http httpd.i386 2.2.11-2.fc10 installed httpd-tools.i3862.2.11-2.fc10 installed jakarta-commons-httpclient.i386 1:3.1-0.3.fc10 installed system-config-httpd.noarch 5:1.4.4-2.fc10 installed [r...@confianza conf]# yum list installed | grep -i zend php-ZendFramework.noarch I edited /etc/httpd/conf/httpd.conf as follows: If there is no NameVirtualHost declaration the vhosts will be treated as the default host. Try putting NameVirtualHost *:80 before the VirtualHost declarations. :m) # ServerName confianza:80 NameVirtualHost *:80 # VirtualHost *:80 ServerName confianza DocumentRoot /var/www/html /VirtualHost # VirtualHost *:80 ServerName confianzazend DocumentRoot /var/www/html/QuickStart/public /VirtualHost I then restart httpd [r...@confianza html]# service httpd restart Stopping httpd:[ OK ] Starting httpd:[ OK ] I want http://confianza to return the contents of /var/www/html I want http://confianzazend to return the contents of /var/www/html/QuickStart What is happening is that both http://confianza and http://confianzazend are both returning the contents of /var/www/html I've looked at several web pages and they all say the same thing, this should just work (TM). It seems simple enough yet my problem persists. What else do I need to do? Thanks ¡Obtén la mejor experiencia en la web! Descarga gratis el nuevo Internet Explorer 8. http://downloads.yahoo.com/ieak8/?l=mx -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: gdm black on black
Murray, WJ (Bill) wrote: Hello all, I was fiddling with the fglrx driver, trying to get suspend to work, and I used the ati/amd installer instead of rpmfusion. Big mistake. Since then my system has been broken. I have reverted to radeon, and fglrx from rpmfusion, but always the same symptoms: boot starts OK, with the sun, on plymouth until gdm should take over and offer log in possibilites. That step is black on black. I know it is working, because I can log in, but even after log in the display stays black-on-black. [I can check that I logged in via ssh] I have replaced gdm/xorg/compiz/other rpms but no change. Can anyone suggest how to fix this please? Sorry Bill Hmmm, whenever I get strange things such as toolbars showing up in the middle of the screen or wrong screen resolution, etc. I usually end up mucking around in the .gconf* trees. I've actually made fixes there that stuck.Trying to fix these with the GUI seems to fix some things temporarily but the evil returns on next login. Since you can't see what you're doing in runlevel 5 try typing ctrl alt f2 (actually, depending on version of fedora, f1 through f5). This will give you a runlevel 3 (non-graphical) login prompt. If you're feeling curious, brave, insane, etc. start digging through your home directory's .gconf* directories looking for things related to color, *or* you could do what I've seen recommended on this list before, and delete the .gconf* directories, which should be rebuilt for you automatically on next login. Your existing display management settings will be hosed but you probably won't be looking at black on black. Hope that helps, :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ramdisks [a solution]
Bill Davidsen wrote: Mike Wright wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Mike Wright wrote: I came up with a solution that uses LVM and it works a *charm*, albeit, probably because of large block sizes relative to the 16M size of the ramdisks, seems inefficient (costs 25% each). Maybe I can tune these and get better. pvcreate /dev/ram15 pvcreate /dev/ram14 pvcreate /dev/ram13 pvcreate /dev/ram12 vgcreate my36Mdisk /dev/ram15 /dev/ram14 /dev/ram13 vgcreate my12Mdisk /dev/ram/12 lvcreate -n myRamDisk1 -L 36M my36Mdisk lvcreate -n myRamDisk2 -L 12M my12Mdisk Wow that sounds complex, why not just make the ramdisks larger? Just use the boot parameter which sets that: ramdisk_size=N where N is the size in kilobytes, so for 256M you specify 262144. Thanks for that advice. I ended up making the ramdisks smaller which gave me greater granularity. Then when the volume groups were created I specified 64K extents instead of the default 16M. That gave two benefits: there was almost no wasted space in the VG, and the data that I copied over used less than half of the space of the original. In thinking about this related to another issue, I remember that you can also just create a single arbitrary ramdisk and mount it: mount -t tmpfs -o size=270m tmpfs /mnt/tmp which gives you a 270MB ramdisk on /mnt/tmp. No choice of filesystem type, always tmpfs, but for what I wanted adequate. I'm doing some testing on performance tips, and am using this for testing. That accomplishes everything I wanted when combined with mount --move and lets me get rid of a horrendous script :D create temporary work area. copy work area to temporary work area. mount --move to original work area. Work work work until done mount --move original work area back to temporary area. copy temporary work area to original work area. unmount temporary work area. If it hits swap I can live with that. Awesome, Bill! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ramdisks [a solution]
Bill Davidsen wrote: Mike Wright wrote: I came up with a solution that uses LVM and it works a *charm*, albeit, probably because of large block sizes relative to the 16M size of the ramdisks, seems inefficient (costs 25% each). Maybe I can tune these and get better. pvcreate /dev/ram15 pvcreate /dev/ram14 pvcreate /dev/ram13 pvcreate /dev/ram12 vgcreate my36Mdisk /dev/ram15 /dev/ram14 /dev/ram13 vgcreate my12Mdisk /dev/ram/12 lvcreate -n myRamDisk1 -L 36M my36Mdisk lvcreate -n myRamDisk2 -L 12M my12Mdisk Wow that sounds complex, why not just make the ramdisks larger? Just use the boot parameter which sets that: ramdisk_size=N where N is the size in kilobytes, so for 256M you specify 262144. Thanks for that advice. I ended up making the ramdisks smaller which gave me greater granularity. Then when the volume groups were created I specified 64K extents instead of the default 16M. That gave two benefits: there was almost no wasted space in the VG, and the data that I copied over used less than half of the space of the original. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ramdisks
Tim wrote: On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 13:42 -0700, Mike Wright wrote: I looked at tmpfs but that doesn't seem to accomplish what I want. With ramdisks I can mount them over the top of pre-existing directories, play to my heart's content, and leave the underlying files untouched. You can do that with tmpfs, too. Which method's best for you will depend on other requirements. Some notes: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMPFS Thanks, Tim. I looked further into that and found a couple of limitations that wiped out the gains I was seeking. Apparently a tmpfs is sparse and if resources become tight the least used blocks end up in swap. My goal was to avoid disk access altogether. Nonetheless, with your suggestions and those of others I now have a much greater understanding of both tmpfs and ramdisks. (I must add that it's very spooky working and not hearing the clatter of physical drives, added to the extremely fast response times on an older, CPU and RAM limited, machine. I'm a happy camper now!) :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
ramdisks
Oh, great pool of collective wisdom, oracle of all, please be so kind as to share your knowledge with me. I seek knowledge of ramdisks. 1) In /dev there are 16 ramdisks of 16M each. Are these free for the current user or are there other system processes that require them? If they are free to use do I need them to exist if I have no use for them? 2) Where are these created? I've seen documents that say one may add kernel options in grub/lilo to set their size but that implies that they all have that same size in common. Where is their quantity determined? 3) Must they be created during the boot process? Is there a way to override all of that and create my own layout? For my application I'd rather have two ramdisks, one 10M and the other 30M, plus any other(s) that may be required by the o/s. I tried mknod /dev/myRamDisk 1 16; chgrp disk /dev/myRamDisk which, while it looks like the other ramdisks in /dev, wasn't available for use. I looked at tmpfs but that doesn't seem to accomplish what I want. With ramdisks I can mount them over the top of pre-existing directories, play to my heart's content, and leave the underlying files untouched. Wizards, my tia. Mike Wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: ramdisks [a solution]
Sharpe, Sam J wrote: 2009/4/15 Mike Wright mike.wri...@mailinator.com: Oh, great pool of collective wisdom, oracle of all, please be so kind as to share your knowledge with me. I seek knowledge of ramdisks. 1) In /dev there are 16 ramdisks of 16M each. Are these free for the current user or are there other system processes that require them? Yes they should be free. If they are free to use do I need them to exist if I have no use for them? They don't exist (they aren't using any RAM) if you aren't using them... 2) Where are these created? I've seen documents that say one may add kernel options in grub/lilo to set their size but that implies that they all have that same size in common. Where is their quantity determined? The kernel creates them. Here's a primer that's still pretty relevant: http://www.vanemery.com/Linux/Ramdisk/ramdisk.html Been there... In particular if you look at /boot/config-`uname -r` which is the config your running kernel was created with, you will see: CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_COUNT=16 CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM_SIZE=16384 So without a kernel reconfig, you can't change them, but see my answer above about them not using any space. Wow. Now that was very informative. I didn't think to look in the kernel configs. 3) Must they be created during the boot process? Depends what you mean. Yes those ones must be created during the boot process because the kernel is configured like that, but extra ones can be created outside the boot process as well. Is there a way to override all of that and create my own layout? For my application I'd rather have two ramdisks, one 10M and the other 30M, plus any other(s) that may be required by the o/s. Now that, I don't know the answer to because I've never wanted two ram disks of different sizes. I've set the ramdisk_size kernel parameter to something bigger and only used one disk but never two of different sizes. You'll need some other collective wisdom ;o) I came up with a solution that uses LVM and it works a *charm*, albeit, probably because of large block sizes relative to the 16M size of the ramdisks, seems inefficient (costs 25% each). Maybe I can tune these and get better. pvcreate /dev/ram15 pvcreate /dev/ram14 pvcreate /dev/ram13 pvcreate /dev/ram12 vgcreate my36Mdisk /dev/ram15 /dev/ram14 /dev/ram13 vgcreate my12Mdisk /dev/ram/12 lvcreate -n myRamDisk1 -L 36M my36Mdisk lvcreate -n myRamDisk2 -L 12M my12Mdisk mkfs. ... and I have my ramdisks and my app screams Sam, thanks for the help :D -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: openvpn - urgent help requested!
Timothy Murphy wrote: Andrew Parker wrote: What do your routes look like? What are your configs, and how do you start openvpn? My server.conf and client.conf are: port 1194 proto udp dev tun ca /etc/openvpn/keys/ca.crt cert /etc/openvpn/keys/server.crt key /etc/openvpn/keys/server.key # This file should be kept secret dh /etc/openvpn/keys/dh1024.pem server 192.168.5.0 255.255.255.0 ifconfig-pool-persist ipp.txt keepalive 10 120 comp-lzo persist-key persist-tun status openvpn-status.log verb 3 dev tun proto udp remote www.gayleard.com 1194 resolv-retry infinite persist-key persist-tun ca /etc/openvpn/keys/ca.crt cert /etc/openvpn/keys/mary.crt key /etc/openvpn/keys/mary.key ns-cert-type server comp-lzo verb 3 route -n on server and client give: Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefIface 192.168.5.2 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 tun0 192.168.5.0 192.168.5.2 255.255.255.0 UG0 00 tun0 192.168.2.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth1 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 00 eth0 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 U 0 00 eth1 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.254 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth0 Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefIface 192.168.5.1 192.168.5.5 255.255.255.255 UGH 0 00 tun0 192.168.5.5 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0 00 tun0 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 2 00 eth1 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG0 00 eth1 I start openvpn on both machines with sudo service openvpn restart. Apology for being a buttinsky. I'm also trying to understand vpn. As I look through route -n much of it makes sense but there is something unclear. Would you disclose the relevant parts of the file ipp.txt. I have a feeling it may be revealing. ps. thanx for the great info :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Request] Language support packages not installed by default
Rick Stevens wrote: Beartooth wrote: On Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:27:45 +0930, Tim wrote: [] It's really only the installer that needs to have multi-lingual support right from the get-go, to ask you what languages to use. An installed system only needs the languages that you actually need. Good point! All the more reason not to include umpteen bazillion of them as defaults anywhere else. Would you communicate that to the Mozilla gang as well? :-) Having all those ruddy language packs reinstalled every time Firefox or Thunderbird gets updated is OK on my desktops with drives 500GB, but they suck up too much space on my Aspire One. I delete them just to have them reappear on every bloody update. G! Hi Rick! It may be worse than you think. While I work I leave the Firefox-Tools-JavaScript_Console open. It seems that Firefox calls home daily or perhaps shortly after being launched. The javascript console reports, one by one, that each and every language pack is being/has been updated. [as I freak out--what else are you doing? argh] -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FDISK problems
woodson2 wrote: OS= Fedora 10 I have a secondary 250GB disk of which I created a 50G partition on to try and set-up an LFS system. I finished with the LFS system and now I want to destroy the partition and reclaim all of the 250GB. So i simply ran fdisk /dev/sdb and deleted the 2 Linux partitions ( one 83 and one swap). I then created a new partition as primary partition #1. fdisk appears to see the entire diskI'm able to start at cylinder 1 and end at 30401 which is 250GB, however when i mount the partition it's shows as only 50G.What the hell is going on here??? Simple question: did you remember to reformat the new partition? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: myqsl dummy needs help
Gene Heskett wrote:
On Monday 16 February 2009, Robert L Cochran wrote:
All the heavier-weight database engines have their own user accounts, so
they can grant or restrict permissions to various databases and tables
based on who the user is. MySQL does this. Even though mysql has a root
user that user is totally separate from the OS root account. You can
also have a mysql user account named mickey even though your host box
does not have such a user. So think only in terms of the defined MySQL
users.
You need to reset the MySQL root user password.
There may be no password to start with. I wonder what happens if you
just press enter when prompted for the password. If there is no
password, then you can set one using mysqladmin. When you first start
the mysqld server using 'service start mysqld' the syntax of the command
is explained to you right on the terminal window.
One more point. If you want to assign a password to a user on a specific
host machine, such as 'mickey'@'mickeymouse.m1.org' then I believe that
at the time someone attempts to log in with that username the actual
machine name must resolve correctly on dns to 'mickeymouse.m1.org' or
the user 'mickey' must have a password defined for the localhost machine
('mickey'@'localhost').
To do reset the root password correctly, you can find copious details on
the MySQL knowledgebase. Go to www.mysql.com and search off their
knowledgebase. There is a method described for changing the password for
the root user, but it is fairly complicated. I've used it successfully
once or twice before when I made a mess of my own mysql root password.
I have now done that procedure twice, setting a different passwd the last time
in case mysql has a password length limit less that the size of my root pw.
It didn't help, I'm still getting exactly the same error. How can I nuke it
all start from a truly scratch install?
Hi Gene,
Before you do that I have an idea.
I don't install MySql very often but I seem to recall an alert given
upon installation advising the use of mysqladmin to set the initial root
password. On a clean install the password is the empty string (return).
mysqladmin password 'secretcode'
After that you use the GRANT command to control access to the rdb.
Hope I'm not all wet here. Sometimes my CRS gets in the way ;)
Mike Wright
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Re: myqsl dummy needs help
Gene Heskett wrote: big snip / /tmp itself is drwxr-xr-x amanda disk system_u:object_r:tmp_t:s0 tmp but nearly everything in it is root:root except the amanda and amanda-debug directories. So I just changed tmp to drwxrwxrwx But that also didn't change anything. Or did it, now the log shows this when I restart mysqld: Hi Gene. You also need to execute chmod +t /tmp. I think your permissions should be drwxrwxrwt. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: myqsl dummy needs help
Gene Heskett wrote: Ok, so I rip it out again, only this time I run a script that searches the locate database for mysql and deletes all the leftovers before I reinstall. Would that help? Something is obviously completely fubar. I don't think you have to resort to that. MySql stores its settings in one of its own databases, usually /var/lib/mysql/mysql. If you really just want to start from scratch and you are sure there are no databases you need inside the directory /var/lib/myslq you could delete everything in there: rm -rf /var/lib/mysql/*. Once that is empty take a look for mysql installers. e.g. locate mysql | grep '/bin/' | grep install Execute whichever one seems most promising and you should end up with a brand new out-of-the-box wide open mysql database setup. Start the mysqld server. Run mysqladmin and set the root password. Should be good to go from there. :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[OT] good excuse to have a party
(I'm in San Jose, California, USA so I'm using my local timezone.) 'Tis time to celebrate absolutely nothing. On Friday the 13th of February 2009 at 3:31:30pm PST it will be 1234567890 Linux (Unix) Time: date +%s Yeah wo wo Any excuse for a party. Celebrate and go have a beer ;D Sorry for the noise (I just couldn't resist). Mike Wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[OT] need to find char codes for allowed symbols on Calif Lic. Plates
Hi all, Sorry for the OT post. I need some help finding symbols (heart, hand, plus, star) allowed on personalized California license plates and was hoping they exist somewhere in the unicode space. I found a heart and a star in the UTF-8 character set. Anybody out there know of an open hand symbol? I found a plus sign on the keyboard ;D but would prefer a graphic. Takers? TIA, mike wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Video Capture
On Tue, 2008-12-16 at 12:15 -0500, homb...@tips-q.com wrote: Not specific to Fedora (my apologies in advance). Can someone suggest a method by which I could capture flash/flv content? In other words, I want to capture a streaming video to disk. Can this be done? Here's a hack approach that's worked for me in the past. While flash content is being streamed it is being buffered into /tmp/Flash*. It remains there until it is done being watched. That means there is a window of time between when the flash has finished downloading but before it has finished playing where it can be copied from /tmp/Flash* to (what|where)ever you want to save it. Sometimes I do this so I can watch a clean flash without any of the jerking or stutterring that may occur while watching live. hth, :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Entrepreneur of the Year
Bravo!!! RedHat's Mathew Szulik appeared on an interview on CNBC (a US tv station) today. note: the following link is all one line http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/Red-Hat-Incs-Matthew-Szulik/story.aspx?guid=%7B7B572494-9B60-4190-855F-A3C672533C02%7D I still have goose bumps :D -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Help starting mysql.
Reg Clemens wrote: When I do a mysqld start (from /etc/rc.d/init.d), there is a long pause, mabe a minute, and then the message Starting MySQL:[FAILED] The first time I tried starting mysql, I saw in the mysql.log file the following messages --- 081028 14:41:25 mysqld started InnoDB: The first specified data file ./ibdata1 did not exist: InnoDB: a new database to be created! 081028 14:41:25 InnoDB: Setting file ./ibdata1 size to 10 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait... 081028 14:41:25 InnoDB: Log file ./ib_logfile0 did not exist: new to be created InnoDB: Setting log file ./ib_logfile0 size to 5 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait... 081028 14:41:25 InnoDB: Log file ./ib_logfile1 did not exist: new to be created InnoDB: Setting log file ./ib_logfile1 size to 5 MB InnoDB: Database physically writes the file full: wait... InnoDB: Doublewrite buffer not found: creating new InnoDB: Doublewrite buffer created InnoDB: Creating foreign key constraint system tables InnoDB: Foreign key constraint system tables created 081028 14:41:26 InnoDB: Started; log sequence number 0 0 081028 14:41:26 [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Table 'mysql.host' doesn't exist 081028 14:41:26 mysqld ended The database management tables need to be created/initialized. Try mysql_install_db. After that you should be good to go. hth, :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving
Beartooth wrote: On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:26:06 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Beartooth wrote: On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 15:40:42 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: Isn't it easier just to say telnet 192.168.a.b 631 Doesn't this tell you if you are connected to the CUPS server much more simply? I take care not to install telnet, or to remove it if anaconda installs it. The telnet client is handy to have. The telnet server is the one you would normally want to remove. Apps like pirut and the packagekit give me only a single choice, telnet or no telnet, without any indication of role; and rpm -q says not installed. So I had supposed, absent any indication to the contrary, that it was a single package, comprising if not functioning as both a server and a client -- and nobody ever told me Get rid of telnet server, but simply Get rid of telnet. Also, if I plug the numbers in to telnet 192.168.a.b 631 I get an error saying command not found. If I try yum install telnet-client or ...telnet_client, or ...telnetclient, I get a message saying no such package is available. If I put a space between the words, as if telnet and client were two apps, it tells me client is not available, and offers to install telnet -- one unitary thing. How then can you get a client without a server? If I let yum install this one thing, is there then (only then) a way to split it and get rid of half? Remember I neither have nor am likely to acquire the savvy to handle electronic attacks. There are different packages: telnet (the client) and telnet-server. hth -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: CUPS, Alpine, and printserving
Beartooth wrote: On Sat, 01 Nov 2008 09:41:14 -0800, Mike Wright wrote: Beartooth wrote: [...] How then can you get a client without a server? If I let yum install this one thing, is there then (only then) a way to split it and get rid of half? Remember I neither have nor am likely to acquire the savvy to handle electronic attacks. There are different packages: telnet (the client) and telnet-server. Oho! Then all those who said get rid of telnet really *meant* get rid of telnet-server. Right? So does that mean I should run yum install telnet on all machines? With the server on none? Or only the client on only the machine with the printer? What responds to telnet 192.168.a.b 631 on a machine with no telnet at all? For that matter, what about ssh 192.168.a.b 631 instead? I am at least relatively familiar with ssh. The above ssh command won't work. As somebody earlier pointed out telnet is a very handy tool for checking to see if other services are running. Is my mailserver listening? telnet mailserver 25 Can I check my mailbox? telnet popserver 110 Webserver? telnet www 80 If the service answers you can then feed it commands as if you were a real client (which you actually are). Services typically answer with the advice to escape type ^]. (That means control-].) If you get back to the telnet prompt type quite to exit. As to where to install it? At least on one machine. Preferably the one that you use for most of your testing; although, I don't see any harm in installing it on your other machines. If you are afraid that somebody else may use it to look around install it onto a USB stick and mount the stick onto whichever machine you're testing from. That way you can be certain that your telnet client is removed when you remove the stick. Telnet can be a very good friend. hth, :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
change timezone?
Hi all, I've one host that insists it is living in PST, the rest of my hosts know that it is still PDT. I'm guessing there's a flag somewhere that says Adjust for Daylight Savings Time? Even after I've correctly set the time and fired up ntpd the time eventually (un)corrects itself back to PST. At a loss here; any takers? tia, mike wright -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: VDQ : machine names??
Beartooth wrote: I know it's a Very Dumb Question; I just can't find a general answer that works. I want to stop calling all the machines on my LAN localhost.localdomain, and give them distinctive names. I have found two or three ways of doing so; but they don't stick. The only way that really works, for me at least, is to think of it (and be ready) while doing a fresh install. When anaconda asks me whether to use dhcp, I can click on manual, type in a name, click back to using dhcp, and that name lasts. I'm not even sure now whether it's mere logging out and back in, or just actual reboots that do it, but in a location subject to longer power failures than the UPSs I can afford will ride out, I get enough reboots, too (alas!). One other way that I've tried is to use system-config-network, and edit the configuration of eth0; but that seems to be little more than a pacifier. I want something that shows up in the prompts, and that I can use in ssh and scp, without having to look up IP numbers on the router all the time -- especially since not all LAN machines are on one floor. Clue, please? Pretty please? Hi Beartooth, I don't use dhcp so this answer may not apply; however, all of my machines set their hostnames in /etc/sysconfig/network: HOSTNAME=box1.example.com hth, :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Forwarding not work in FC9 but ip forward is turn on
ppps wrote: First off, what is that extra netstat -rn entry for eth6 (169.254.0.0...looks like some Windows default garbage)? Can't help but wonder what that's doing to routing to the 192.168.10 network on the machine. I have tried to eliminate that route with the command route del -net 169.254.0.0 netmask 255.255.0.0 This eliminates the route but on reboot again and lift it I do not know which file to modify to be removed. To get rid of that route permanently you can modify /etc/sysconfig/network. Add this line: NOZEROCONF=yes -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT - php toolkit/framework
Bazooka Joe wrote: I need to do a pro bono inventory control web ap. I am an experienced php/mysql programmer but I am dreading making all the input forms and reports that will be needed. Did some googling but many toolkits seem out of date. What would you recommend for a rapid development toolkit or framework for LAMP environment? ZendFramework-1.6.1 was just released. It's an MVC framework written in PHP. All OO. Hooks and packages for everything from AJAX to XmlRpc. Not a lot of tutorials out there yet but looks very promising. As with all things, what you get out of it depends on how much you are willing to put into it. I've converted a php/mysql based site to it. At first the going was slow but as it started to come together (and I began to understand it) it began to move quickly. http://framework.zend.com/ hth, :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Forwarding not work in FC9 but ip_forward is turn on
ppps wrote: Hi, guys I would please ask for their help with a problem that has frustrated me. Then I describe the scene I installed FC9 on my PC that will work as official proxy / firewall. The pc has 3 network cards eth4, eth5 and eth6 eth4- 192.168.5.254 - to a router eth5- 192.168.1.231 - toward LAN1 eth6- 192.168.10.250 - toward LAN2 - A cat / proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward returns 1, - Also I have set in / etc / sysctl.conf net.ipv4.ip_forward = 1 - A ping from LAN2 to say 192.168.10.20 toward 192.168.10.250 work without problems - A ping from 192.168.10.20 works toward 192.168.5.254 - A ping 192.168.5.1 from FC9 toward running smoothly - A ping from FC9 to 192.168.1.250 running smoothly - Mii-tol eth4 eth5 eth6 returns eth4: negotiated 100BaseTX-FD flow-control, link ok eth5: negotiated 100BaseTX-FD flow-control, link ok eth6: negotiated 100BaseTX-FD flow-control, link ok - A ping from 192.168.10.250 toward 192.168.10.20 not work!!! - A ping from 192.168.10.20 to 192.168.5.1 via 192.168.10.250 as gw does not work. - A tracert from 192.168.10.20 to 192.168.5.1 return 192.168.5.1 to trace paths on a maximum of 30 hops 1 1ms 192.168.5.1: ICMP echo request 192.168.5.1 192.168.5.254: ICMP echo reply 192.168.5.254 192.168.5.1: ICMP echo request 192.168.5.1 192.168.5.254: ICMP echo replay and therefore from fedora if I can do ping. - A cat /etc/selinux/config return SELinux=disabled and SELINUXTYPE =targeted. - A route-n Destination Gateway Genmask ... Ifacex 192.168.5.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 eth4 192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 eth5 192.168.10.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 eth6 169.254.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.0.0 eth6 iptables has no rule, in fact I have executed the following iptables -t nat-F iptables -t mangle-F iptables -t filter-F iptales -P INPUT ACCEPT iptables -P OUTPUT ACCEPT iptables -P FORWARD ACCEPT What I can conclude that the forwarding is not working properly, or only partially. I have tried to add other options in sysctl.conf without success. I wish I could help me because I'm overwhelmed with this problem, you might miss something you add or remove within sysctl.conf or SELinux really much appreciate your help. Best regards Sorry for my bad English !!! No problem. You need to have routes to those networks: /sbin/ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth5 /sbin/ip route add 192.168.10.1/24 dev eth6 /sbin/ip route add default via 192.168.5.254 dev eth4 Hope that helps, Mike Wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Forwarding not work in FC9 but ip_forward is turn on
Mike Wright wrote: ppps wrote: Hi, guys I would please ask for their help with a problem that has frustrated me. Then I describe the scene I installed FC9 on my PC that will work as official proxy / firewall. The pc has 3 network cards eth4, eth5 and eth6 eth4- 192.168.5.254 - to a router eth5- 192.168.1.231 - toward LAN1 eth6- 192.168.10.250 - toward LAN2 You need to have routes to those networks: /sbin/ip route add 192.168.1.0/24 dev eth5 /sbin/ip route add 192.168.10.1/24 dev eth6 ^ *typo*, should be 0 /sbin/ip route add default via 192.168.5.254 dev eth4 Hope that helps, Mike Wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Script help
James Pifer wrote: I've been googling to find ways of doing this but I'm not finding what I'm looking for. I think this should be fairly easy, so I'm hoping a script guru out there can tell me what I need. I have some files that are all named like: myfile387465893495643658734.txt myfile547647453645635632454.txt myfile563546356243546767546.txt myfile465565634678567345656.txt myfile456674567452345566345.txt I need to find all files that start with 'myfile', end in .txt Then I need to find the most recent version and use it in a command. Can anyone rattle this off of the top of their head? `ls -t myfile*.txt | head -1` might work for you. Help is appreciated. Thanks, James -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sound Configurations
Diego Nascimento wrote: Hi all, i migrated to fedora distribution a short time ago and when i tried to set the volume of the different outputs, i couldn't. Today i just can configure the master volume. How can i configure alsa to control the volume of all different outputs separated? Hi Diego, If you right click on the Speaker icon and select Open Volume Control you will be able to Edit-Preferences. From there it is possible to add and remove different input and output controls. Unfortunately, there is no way from there to distinguish which are inputs and which are outputs and things don't always make sense (to me). For example, there is a CD input but it doesn't control my CD. My CD's volume is controlled by the PCM output. hth, Mike Wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
OT: ATT U-Verse internet
Hi all, I've been offered ATT's U-Verse television/internet service but have been told that it's Windows only (which sounds nonsensical to me; they said the same thing about my DSL service). I've scoured the net looking for information about the gateway device but have come up empty handed. I think it would be a 3700HGV-B but am not certain. I'd really like to see a user's manual. I'm in San Jose, California. Is there anybody in this area that has this service and that would be able to comment on it, especially wrt its IP scheme? I.e. is it static/dynamic, how many IPs, does it allow traffic shaping, could I run my own VOIP service, etc.? I need to find out before my 3 day right of recission expires. Sorry for the additional noise on the list. Thanks in advance, Mike Wright :m) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
OT: need javascript/DOM help
Hi Listizens,
I'm working on a project but am absolutely stymied and need outside
help. Both konqueror and firefox exhibit the same behavior so I don't
think this is a browser bug.
I've checked the xhtml1-strict.dtd and it says that anchor tags support
the core attributes which include id; however, the following html
doesn't produce the expected results.
Are there any javascript/DOM gurus out there who can tell me why the
html page below finds the p tag and the div tag but ignores the a tag.
Sorry for the OT/wrong forum post, but I find the collective knowledge
of the fedora users to be one of the best out there... and the most helpful.
TIA,
Mike Wright :m)
Below is the html being tested.
=
?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?
!DOCTYPE html
PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en
headtitleJavascript DOM Experiments/title/head
body
p id='m'/p
a id='a'/a
p id='p'/p
div id='v'/div
script type='text/javascript'!--//
var d = document;
var m = d.getElementById('m');
var a = d.getElementById('a');
var p = d.getElementById('p');
var v = d.getElementById('v');
var b = 'br /';
m.innerHTML = a+b+p+b+v+b;
//--/script
/body
/html
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Re: OT: need javascript/DOM help
Bassel Safadi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Mike Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Are there any javascript/DOM gurus out there who can tell me why the html
page below finds the p tag and the div tag but ignores the a tag.
Below is the html being tested.
=
?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?
!DOCTYPE html
PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en
headtitleJavascript DOM Experiments/title/head
body
p id='m'/p
a id='a'/a
p id='p'/p
div id='v'/div
script type='text/javascript'!--//
var d = document;
var m = d.getElementById('m');
var a = d.getElementById('a');
var p = d.getElementById('p');
var v = d.getElementById('v');
var b = 'br /';
m.innerHTML = a+b+p+b+v+b;
//--/script
/body
/html
will it's simple ,
what do you want to get from the getElementById('')?
I mean if you're trying to know what kind of element is it, just to process
it in some how, then you will not get a result from just using the
getElemntByid thing for example:
d.getElementById('p');
will return in Firefox: [object HTMLParagraphElement]
in IE Mac: [object P]
why don't you just specify what you want to get back from it let's say you
may use:
var a = d.getElementById('a').innerText;
by the way adding href= to the anchor tag will let var a =
d.getElementById('a'); return the href it self, if you still need an output
that looks like:
[object HTMLanchorElement]
tell me and will find a work around for you...
Thanks for your generous offer, Bassel.
I need the node so I can use nextSibling.
What I'm trying to accomplish is to display:none or display:block
the following element whenever the a is onclicked.
As you pointed out document.getElementById() returns not the id, but
the href. (That really puzzles me and differs from the O'Reilly books
on Javascript and Dynamic HTML).
Is this a known bug? If it is I will have to wrap my tags in such a way
that I can find the other node relative to it some other way.
If you have ideas I'm eager and open eared :)
Mike Wright :m)
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Re: OT: [kind of SOLVED] need javascript/DOM help
Mike Wright wrote:
Bassel Safadi wrote:
On Sat, Jun 21, 2008 at 12:09 AM, Mike Wright wrote:
Are there any javascript/DOM gurus out there who can tell me why the
html page below does not behave as expected?
Below is the html being tested.
=
?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?
!DOCTYPE html
PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Strict//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-strict.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en lang=en
headtitleJavascript DOM Experiments/title/head
body
p id='m'/p
a id='a'/a
script type='text/javascript'!--//
var d = document;
var m = d.getElementById('m');
var a = d.getElementById('a');
var a = d.getElementById('a').getAttribute('id');
gives me the 'id'. From there I can create the 'id' of the desired tag,
which solves my immediate problem.
I'm still curious as to why the a behaves differently???
m.innerHTML = a;
//--/script
/body
/html
var a = d.getElementById('a').innerText;
by the way adding href= to the anchor tag will let var a =
d.getElementById('a'); return the href it self, if you still need an
output
that looks like:
[object HTMLanchorElement]
tell me and will find a work around for you...
Thanks for your generous offer, Bassel.
I need the node so I can use nextSibling.
As you pointed out document.getElementById() returns not the id, but
the href. (That really puzzles me and differs from the O'Reilly books
on Javascript and Dynamic HTML).
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Re: Xen commands help
Dan Track wrote: Hi I want to install a xen VM, I know I can use the virt-manager, but I prefer not to use GUI's. Can someone please provide me a link to where I can read up on creating VM's from the command line? Thanks Dan http://tx.downloads.xensource.com/downloads/docs/user/#SECTION0312 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: make thunderbird NOT show html
Roger Heflin wrote: On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Mike Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anybody know how to make Thunderbird display only the text/plain portion of multipart email? Maybe: view - message body as - plain text And that bad news for us is those clueless people are developers that develop email programs and really don't have a clue what they are doing, but certainly think they do. Thank you thank you thank you, Roger and Raymond. Beer is on me ;D -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
