Re: RFE: Never, ever steal focus.
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 12:00 -0500, Adam Jackson wrote: Now make that work for the (not uncommon) case of clicking a link in evo or control-clicking one in gnome-terminal and expecting firefox to pop forward with that page. That suggestion also fails for the PolicyKit dialog, and anything similar. (And, unsurprisingly, I've been seeing that dialog pop-up behind the window that caused it...) Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Open with Other Application dialog has some entries duplicated.
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 19:05 -0400, Paolo Galtieri wrote: When I right click on a file and bring up the Open with Other Application dialog I notice that some entries have multiple entries. For example Okular is listed over a dozen times, Firefox is listed twice as is Brasero. Is there a way to fix this? One way: Right click on a file, open its properties, prune entries from the open-with list. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Changing GNOME default directories
Tim: There's supposed to be some function (or was in earlier Fedora releases) that'd periodically update your user directories. Though I don't know how, and how often, it actually did its trick. I've never seen it do its trick. Paul W. Frields: It's xdg-user-dirs-update, and it does work. Just tested it here on a fresh account. What does it actually do? Create replacements for missing special directories? (As I said, I haven't managed to see it do anything, yet.) -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: /etc/login.defs created as /etc/login.defs.rpmnew
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 17:40 +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: The best approach is usually to identify your own change, make the same change in the .rpmnew file, then mv the .rpmnew file into place. What about SELinux issues when you mv instead of create new files? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Best way to get minimal system
On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 16:11 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: My solution to installs for little machines is a box I got from Newegg, has a USB connector and PATA inside for old drives (SATA available as well), and I install on a real computer with lots of resources, even if I'm running on next to nothing. To transplant the drive to another computer? I've done that, but you have to beware that you can install a system that won't work (without some fiddling) on another computer. I've been lucky that there was only a minimum of fiddling required, but it's possible to create a system that can't read the hard drive, and you need to know how to rebuild the initrd to resolve it. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NetworkManager vs Cacheing nameserver
Mikkel: System -- Preferences -- Network Connections Pick the type of interface, and then the specific interface. Highlight it and click on edit. Under the IPv4 Settings, change the Method drop-down to Automatic (DHCP) address only. If you are using IPv6, then change that drop-down to address only. Patrick O'Callaghan: That worked for a while, then reverted. Sounds like you have a bug to report, then. That appears to be the only way to add DHCP client override options with NetworkManager. Anything else would be a workaround. e.g. Run a DHCP server on the laptop as a relay server, with local override options. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Network Audio
On Wed, 2010-01-06 at 12:03 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: Right now I am getting two machines using one set of speakers via audio Y-cables, but it definitely has a negative effect on the sound quality. Also a good way to do permanent damage to the output stages of your sound cards. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NetworkManager vs Cacheing nameserver
There's a suggestion that a resolv.conf.save file will be copied to resolv.conf each reboot. You could try that file as a reset to (your) normal options for your configuration. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NetworkManager vs Cacheing nameserver
On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 00:39 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I installed bind and tried to use it as a basic cacheing nameserver, which in principal just means running named and pointing /etc/resolv.conf to 127.0.0.1. However resolv.conf keeps getting overwritten by NetworkManager, Are you able to configure your DHCP server? On my network, my DHCP server tells all the clients to use my DNS server, because that's how I've configured it, and everything is hunky dory. If you're trying to ignore information from your DHCP server (because you can't configure it), then you need to play with configuring your DHCP client. That used to be by the /etc/dhclient.conf file, but I seem to recall that you'd put a special copy of the options into some other location, one read by Network Manager. I notice an excessive number of Resolving foo ... messages from Firefox and Chrome, i.e. no cacheing is being done as far as I can tell. Note that I didn't touch named.conf or any other config files. If the domains being resolved set silly zero-second (or similar) record life data, then your caching name server is going to honour that. But are you sure that those warnings are about the same records over and over? I've noticed that, at least in the past, Firefox will do some of its own caching. i.e. The next time it needs a connection to example.com, Firefox uses the same IP without consulting a DNS server. It's been necessary to quit and restart Firefox to test changes to DNS records. You might want to play with the dig tool and your name server. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: control-C and yum update
On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 21:42 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote: While reinstalling f12 on a machine that I messed up, I was following all my notes and directions and reached the point where the install was successful and it was time to update. I did a su -l and then typed yum update. I realized I had forgotten something and immediately did a control-C in the terminal that I had executed the yum update. To my surprise, it ignored it until it got to the first confirm and then proceeded to kill the process. No problem as the update was stopped but ... I though control-C was an immediate kill of whatever was running and was wondering why yum didn't stop when I tried to kill it. In the yum updating case, it's breaking the current process (downloading some file), but not the thing controlling it. You'd need to CTRL+C more than once, to break the chain of events higher up. The first break will abort the current download, and yum will try to download the same file from another repo, as the next action. This is actually useful, for things like when you notice the download is excruciatingly slow, but you still want to do a yum update. You can simply CTRL+C to make it use another repo mirror. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 11 network share browsing using Natuilus with Samba - Fixed?
On Sat, 2010-01-02 at 18:54 -0500, KC8LDO wrote: I did an awful lot of research using Google on the network file share browsing issue I had with Fedora 11 using Nautilus. The two things that stand out are something the ISP's are doing and also with the NetBIOS name resolution order done by Samba. If you use local services that need to resolve local machine names, then you really need to have a local name server that can do so. No remote name server, such as your ISP's, is going to be able to do it for you (unless you have an ISP which allocates you individual IPs for each of your machines, and their DNS server integrates that information into itself - something of a rareity). The alternative to using a local name server, is messing with your hosts file. Samba avoids some of that problem by trying other methods of name resolution, first, before doing a normal DNS look up, such as you've looked at below: The second item is the NetBIOS name resolution order in Samba. I have the following line in my samba.conf file: name resolve order = lmhosts wins bcast host dhcp Anybody care to comment about this? Quite normal... First it's trying name resolution using its own lmhosts file, which you can enter machine names and IPs in (similar to the host file, but not the same). Then it tries a WINS server (if you have one). Then it tries a broadcast query, hoping that the machine in question will respond, itself. Then it tries looking up the hosts file. Finally, there's something to do with dhcp. Have you looked at man smb.conf? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Changing GNOME default directories
On Sun, 2010-01-03 at 22:19 +0100, Alessandro Boggiano wrote: I'd like to change the destination of the default GNOME directories : the directories like Videos,Music, Documents.. ( I'm using GNOME in Italian, so the original name, maybe, are a little different). Usually their definition is in the file ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs, and the file is there! Here a couple of lines: [snip] XDG_DESKTOP_DIR=$HOME/Scrivania XDG_MUSIC_DIR=$HOME/Musica [snip] But if I change the values, for example: XDG_MUSIC_DIR=/Dati/Mp3 The change is not detected, even after a logout. There's supposed to be some function (or was in earlier Fedora releases) that'd periodically update your user directories. Though I don't know how, and how often, it actually did its trick. I've never seen it do its trick. I suspect the changes you made will only mean something to programs looking for the default video folder (and other special folders), your user dirs file will tell them which of your directories are the special ones. Creating the directories they refer to would have to be done as another process (the real *first* logon, perhaps). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installation plays hardball
Tim: If you're the sort that uses one huge partition for everything (and that does seem to be the recommendation, these days), *and* you never intend to add a second drive, then LVM is pointless to you. R. G. Newbury: ONE HUGE PARTITION? I'd like to know who is crazy enough to recommend that, because I would want to stay well away from him. That's *almost* as bad as win(spit!). ;-) On this list, there's been some advocacy for /boot and /, and no more partitions. Even the installer defaults went that way (whether the / was LVM, or something else). There's even some who've not had a /boot (and we've had to guide them through why that worked the first time around, but not after the drive filled up a bit, and put things where the BIOS couldn't read the drive to begin booting). I always set up my boxen with separate partitions for /boot, /home, /tmp, /var and /. I've tended to do the same. Though gave into to just /boot and / for my laptop, as it's not easy to add another drive in a sane manner, so I may as well just use the whole drive in a simple manner. Not to mention that the drive's encrypted, so it's quite hard to do any sort of updates that aren't a complete wipe and restart, anyway. Keeping a /home between installs has some problems, too. You find that certain things don't like your old .configuration files. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kde problems
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 14:47 +1100, Chris Smart wrote: I was assuming that the partition was being formatted each time Fedora was re-installed, but if he uses a separate partition for /home, then that could well be it. Unless you manually partition, and manually add options to do a file system check, the installation routine will do a quick format that doesn't checks anything. The checking will take ages on huge hard drives. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: any fundamental difference between fedora and suse NFSv4?
On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 15:04 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: FWIW, I've not spent any time trying to get a pure nfs4 environment. IMHO, it doesn't buy anything. Getting away from usernames and numerical user IDs having to all be the same on each computer? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: HP Pavilion a375c w/Fedora 12 compact flash problems
On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 22:48 -0800, Donald Russell wrote: I have Fedora 12 running on an HP Pavilion a375c PC. It has one of those multi-card reader things, and if I insert a Memory Stick, an icon for it appears on my desk top and I can browse files on it etc. If I insert a Compact Flash card, the little blue light (beside the slot) comes on, but Linux doesn't seem to recognize it/make an icon for it on the desktop. My Asus laptop is somewhat similar. SD cards are useable, but MMC cards are not (both are Compact Flash cards). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Recover Root Password on FC 11 and Missing GRUB Screen
On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 00:15 -0800, Hosea Phiri wrote: I have a client who lost root password for his machine running FC 11. I made an attempt to recover password by booting in single mode. I am familiar with editing the GRUB boot menu and appending linux single to make the server boot in sigle mode. My surprise, the machines boots differently. I noticed one major thing that looked different from other versions of Fedora I have used before. It does not bring up the Grub menu. It does not even show the services startup. It goes straight into login prompt bypassing all other stages which I guess run from background. That is normal. And if you don't want unauthorised people to be able to do the same thing, you need to take some steps to make it difficult: Set the BIOS so it will only boot from the hard drive, ignoring floppies, CD-ROMs, and drives plugged into USB ports. Password protect the BIOS so nobody can change the above options. Password protect the GRUB menu, so you cannot change boot options without typing in a password. All you can do is pick from the preset entries for which kernel to boot from. With those steps someone has to crack your password, or remove the hard drive from the computer. That's not something that they could easily do without getting noticed. As well as being a measure of protection against malicious abuse, it's also good protection against stupid uses of computers by authorised people. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 20:26 +1100, Chris Smart wrote: Has anyone looked into openSUSE's brilliant integration of Firefox into KDE4? Is this something that interests the Fedora community? Status: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/FirefoxIntegration; Code: http://gitorious.org/firefox-kde-opensuse; Is there a description of what that actually means? A page of statuses gives no clue, but the name sounds like someone's trying to copy the Microsoft lunacy of integrating MSIE into the desktop. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Installation plays hardball
On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 20:20 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Clearly we have different needs. I've never needed to do any of those things without stopping the system. In fact the adding space thing is probably what looks most attractive, but I'm paranoid about disk failure so I can't see myself ever expanding a filesystem across more than one physical partition. I do realize that for a large multi-user installation with RAID drives and whatnot LVM is the bee's knees, but on my desktop I just make do with a judicious use of symlinks. It makes almost no sense to use it on laptops, where you can only have a single drive (adding an outboard drive is quite impractical, you'd end up with a box of bits all cabled together). And you face the difficulty of finding recovery tools for LVM (I haven't seen any) for any repair jobs, but there are widely written about tools for rescuing data from ext3 partitions. The only advantage I found for using LVM on my laptop was encryption. I could have the encompassing LVM volume encrypted, and as many partitions as I liked, and only have to unlock the outer container. Using various ext3 partitions, I had to type in the password numerous times to boot up the computer. If you're the sort that uses one huge partition for everything (and that does seem to be the recommendation, these days), *and* you never intend to add a second drive, then LVM is pointless to you. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12/Subversion/httpd -- PROPFIND access denied [Solved]
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 02:20 -0500, Steven F. LeBrun wrote: The answer: mod_evasive (mod_evasive20.so in my case). The evasive module is designed to stop denial of service attacks. You have to wonder about that... (about it being designed to stop them, instead of create one). It doesn't sound sensibly configured, by default, according to your findings. Though, is your application really making the *same* request that often, or similar requests. If it's making the exact same request, that doesn't sound like a good thing, in itself. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: list server got slower ?
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 11:16 +, Mike Cloaked wrote: All very well - but the fact remains that for a user like me the list is the primary method of discussion about Fedora issues, fixes, workarounds etc. and I would like to see a timely server response - certainly it did not used to be like this with slow response. Maybe when the lists move to their new servers around 9th January 2010 then perhaps the servers will be tuned to deal with posts in a timely fashion? I'm not convinced that the few minutes delay in question is really going to cause you such a big problem. How fast do you expect people to type replies to your question? -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
Mail Lists: I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users Tony Nelson: Too terse to guide new signups away from the developers' list. The currentname is wordy and wraps too often. And that wrapping has been known to cause problems with some clients, in the past. One way or another (e.g. it's not seen past the wrap). Community assistance for using Fedora. I think the obvious is escaping people's attention. It's a description on a web page that tells people what list to use. A new user isn't very likely to join the list by accidentally finding an email in a search engine, they'll find a web page. The text written on the page needs to provide the information, the naming text next to an email address just needs to be sensible in your mail client. The two don't have to be the same. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: small gripe -- for Fedora, or KDE, or ....?
Rex Dieter: It goes both ways. For example, Gnome doesn't support the GenericName part of the desktop-spec, whereas KDE in general doesn't offer Comment keys. BeartoothHOS: I have no idea what that jargon refers to. If you look at various something-or-other.desktop files, you can get a grasp of what the contents of them are supposed to do. Just looking at one or two of them mightn't help. Unfortunately, various applications mis-use them (not just some of the desktop environments that read them, but also some of the applications providing their .desktop files). Name= really should contain the actual name of the program. GenericName= should have a name that generically describes the item, but could apply to any other program that does the same task. Comment= should have a useful comment providing info about the item. An example: Name=Firefox GenericName=Web browser Comment=Browse the internet and read web pages And your window manager could make a menu out of the provided data, showing some or all of that as you see fit. You should be able to imagine how that might be presented, with the name in the menu, and the rest in a pop-up, for example. Or perhaps, the application name plus the generic name in the menu, and the comment in a pop up. Some people only want the names, as that's all they need. Unfamiliar users may need the whole lot, particularly with some the weirdly named applications, or when there are more than one application that can do the same thing. And perhaps on a system with only a small set of programs, one per task, it's more appropriate to show unfamiliar users just web browser rather than mention the program name, at all. But users should have the option about that, somewhere. We have other options about how the menus are displayed, in a control panel, but they omit a useful thing like that (show name and/or generic name and/or comments). A bad example (taken from Fedora 11): /usr/share/applications/redhat-audio-player.desktop Name=Audio Player Comment=Play Ogg Vorbis and other audio files *That* name should really be the generic name, because that's what it is (audio player is a generic description). In this case, there actually isn't a generic name section in the file. And the name should say XMMS, to let the user know they'll be starting up XMMS, rather than something else. *That* desktop file isn't a generic start my user's preferred audio player file, it's a start the xmms program desktop file. A desktop file for something like that (where the user has picked their preferred applications, or the installation has preset default ones), could be something like: (Not actually have a Name= section) GenericName=Audio player Comment=Play audio files with default/preferred programme A whiz-bang desktop interface could insert the name of the actual program into the comment or name section, customising it in a user-friendly manner. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 11:10 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote: There was a discussion a while back as to how to describe list. The result is what you see today. The idea is that the list name/description would clarify expectations to everyone arriving here. In short it says: this is what the fedora user list is for. That may well be, but it's the wrong place to put a *description*. And certainly not where any newcomer is going to see it. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: slow boot for latest fedora kernel 2.6.31.9-174.fc12.x86_64
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 20:00 +, N James Bridge wrote: Without quiet I still get no output at all for 2min 35sec, then normal rush of messages. Bootchart (very nice!) shows that the boot process itself is running normally, once it starts, about 45sec overall. The initial wait isn't shown on the chart. Once running, everything seems to be working. The entries in grub.conf are identical, except for version numbers. So what causes the wait? You haven't provided any details. *Exactly* what text appears before the wait, and after the resumption? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: list server got slower ?
On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 17:23 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: You say it isn't a local clock issue, yet the time zones are flipping within your LAN. AFAIK, Adelaide is GMT+1030 in summer time. The only time I've seen time zone incorrectness like this was when some systems, at the office I worked at, had some UID's that would alter the TZ environment variable. Made troubleshooting time sensitive transactions a real bitch. Yeah, our timezones are GMT+9.5 normally, or GMT+10.5 in summer time (which is now). A half hour difference, but the headers show the time flipping by 14 minutes, as well. And, it's all on the same computer. Grr! Locally, it was fetchmail getting mail from my host, dropping it into my personal (local) mailbox, and I read it through dovecot on the same box. I'm especially not fond of systems that use alpha designations for time zones. CST, is that Central Standard Time (USA), China Standard Time, or ? :-) Me either, I've made the same argument on other mailing lists, in the past. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace
On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 17:58 +1030, Tim wrote: Abbreviating down to the salient comments, ~/.bash_profile says: # User specific environment and startup programs ~/.bashrc says: # User specific aliases and functions NB: I should add that's the textbook situation. When it comes to practice, there may be a need to bend the rules. I don't know how well you can rely on things always working in the expected manner. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: list server got slower ?
Tim: Yeah, our timezones are GMT+9.5 normally, or GMT+10.5 in summer time (which is now). A half hour difference, but the headers show the time flipping by 14 minutes, as well. And, it's all on the same computer. Grr! Ed Greshko: Weird Wondering if hwclock -r returns a correct time...or if there is a difference between the hardware clock and the system clock. It shouldn't, and it doesn't. The hardware clock is set to GMT on that machine, too. It's not dual-boot, and it's rarely ever rebooted or shutdown. Everything was set up for the least annoyances. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: list server got slower ?
On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 10:29 -0500, Mail Lists wrote: It clearly shows delay exactly as original post said 2-3 mins in int-mx05 ... and 7-10 mins in lists01-xxx I managed to miss seeing the additional delay. If each message takes 15 mins to process that would be a maximum of 96 messages per day outgoing ... sounds like a potential problem no? Doesn't sound like normal processing time to me ... but what do I know. The only way we'll know what's happening is if we (or you) ask whoever's actually in charge of those machines if they know the reason. For all we know, that point in the chain could be where this list and many others start to come together, and it's got a very large workload. Or it could be the point that processes and destroys masses of spam. Or it's doing some other heavy processing as well as being a mail server. But we'll never know by guessing. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: list server got slower ?
On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 11:36 -0500, Mail Lists wrote: As of a few weeks ago, posting to this list got the post back in my mailbox in a few minutes. Now I am seeing delays. Greylisting, perhaps. If something has changed, the learnt whitelist might no-longer be in effect. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Compiz -- Discussion
On Sat, 2009-12-26 at 23:57 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: Finally, there is one more very important thing to comment on. One notable misconception that is typically put forward by opponents of eye-candy is that all those effects take time to execute and thus slow you down when using the computer. This is *FUD* and *utter* *bullshit*. .[snip]. On today's modern hardware, all those compiz effects can be configured to be executed *faster* than any such human lag, so the system appears completely responsive while doing all that eye-candy stuff. Utter horseshit, I refute every single one of those claims. You'd have to be a slow person, in the first place, for the animated eye candy to not slow you down opening menus, and the like. e.g. Open menu, instantly pick choice, versus open menu, wait for effect to subside before you can even read menu, then pick choice. The effects are *NOT* that quick that they add insubstantial delays. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Compiz -- Discussion
Tim: e.g. Open menu, instantly pick choice, versus open menu, wait for effect to subside before you can even read menu, then pick choice. Tom Horsley: Yea, reminds me of all the fancy menus in DVD and BluRay movies so beloved by the authors and despised by the poor users who just want to get to the dadgum Play Movie button :-). Yeah, the whole reason why I bought the thing (to watch the film) being subverted by time-wasting annoyances. Here's how it's supposed to work (no, I'm not making this up). Press play, and the player starts playing the first title on the disc, which is supposed to be the movie (just like CD digital audio). Press the title button, and I get the title menu to pick to do something else. But no, some discs make you sit through two minutes of logos, warnings, more logos, disclaimers, animated nonsense, trailers (on a bought, not rental disc!), then finally (maybe) the movie. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Calendar with recurring tasks?
On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 20:08 -0500, Bill Davidsen wrote: Also does differences, so you can print not only the birthday of kids but their age this year, anniversaries, last friday in the quarter, Easter, whatever. Just once, or maybe every time, I'd like to see a calendar NOT ask me a year to go with a birthday. Quite often I don't know the year, and I never will, but I have to type something in before it'll let me enter a birthday reminder, so you end up with reminders with silly ages. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: problems with system-config-display and crtl-alt-backspace
On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 22:52 -0800, Paul Allen Newell wrote: So it is in .bash_profile and not .bashrc? Abbreviating down to the salient comments, ~/.bash_profile says: # User specific environment and startup programs ~/.bashrc says: # User specific aliases and functions -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: list server got slower ?
Tim: Greylisting, perhaps. If something has changed, the learnt whitelist might no-longer be in effect. Mail Llists: No I dont believe so - there is no delay on the incoming MX .. only on the list server and the outgoing MX. Your ISP's or within the list server servers'? Headers from your email, as I received it (but abbreviated), below: Received: from localhost; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:13:43 +1030 Envelope-to: t...@localhost; Delivery-date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:27:35 +1100 Received: from server for t...@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:13:43 +1030 (CST) Received: from mx1-phx2.redhat.com by external mail ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 16:27:35 +1100 Received: from lists01.pubmisc.prod.ext.phx2.redhat.com ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:20:06 -0500 Received: from int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:17:02 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ;Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:16:57 -0500 Received: from s3.sapience.com ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:16:46 -0500 Received: from mail.prv.sapience.com ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:16:45 -0500 Received: from lap1.prv.sapience.com ; Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:16:45 -0500 I can see a delay in the middle, but only a few minutes. That could well be normal processing times. And something odd within my LAN; some 14 minutes going back and forth in time. All our PCs are NTP synchronised, and timezones are set right (Adelaide, South Australia), so it's not a local clock issue. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: AGP?
On Sun, 2009-12-27 at 20:12 -0800, john wendel wrote: My FX 5200 will still play HD video, it just loads the CPU. But who cares, when I'm watching video, I'm not doing much else with the box. So long as your cooling is good enough... On my laptop, the CPU gets really hot with some things (usually, Firefox, in my case). The fan revs like mad, you can feel the heat pouring out the back, and with a nasty smell. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
Tim: There are drivers to read ext3 on Windows. If you use both systems, you'll have to weigh up which is the most convenient. Native file systems on Linux, which supports your normal permissions and ownership file details. Or a pathetic-featured file system that can be easily read by many different systems. Antonio Olivares: quote or a pathetic-featured file system that can be easily read by many different systems. /quote I like this quote, but I have seen systems which this is not TRUE :(, I help my students clean out their windows machines, and they had to force shutdown(Pressing and holding power button, machine was not responding had AV virus/spyware/trojan(you name it) ) and the NTFS partition was cleanly unmounted and therefore not easily read :( I have to point out that the /quite universal pathetic file system/ is FAT, not NTFS. Though both seem designed to support the: Windows deniable plausibility error: I cannot recall the contents of that file. There are a great many number of systems, that one way or another, can easily work with the FAT file system. NTFS support is still limited. And a seasoned greeting (I think I'll use oregano) back to you. ;-) -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: User image for About me in taskbar in f12?
On Thu, 2009-12-24 at 06:19 -0800, Mike Cloaked wrote: All the image files and the directories that hold them have read permission for everybody - what else needs to be changed? And are the directory permissions world executable, too? NB: I'm just making educated assumptions about the permissions, as I haven't looked at the newer Fedora release yet, and read about this kind of issue some time ago. I elected not to bother with faces in the chooser, as I want user spaces with only personal access. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Missing posts again ??
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 04:52 -0500, William Case wrote: The blockage seems to be at the fedora-list You can tell, for sure, by reading the mail headers and looking at the dates and times for each server it's gone through. or why else would I receive a block of 61 posts, some of the posts current and some two or three days old. Usually delays for list mail are at the ISP level, they've decided that bulk mail may be spam, and de-prioritised it, or greylisted it, or it's held back while being checked (and taking far too long doing so). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 14:02 +, Timothy Murphy wrote: If you can boot from CD or DVD, why not install that way? One big reason: They're a slow media, compared to other things. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: User image for About me in taskbar in f12?
On Wed, 2009-12-23 at 19:49 +, Mike Cloaked wrote: on the taskbar as has been usual in gnome it is possible to select an image when you right click the username and click the image at the top left of the window that opens. However this image is not seen when you close the personal details window. Also the same avatar should appear in the kdm greeter screen alongside the username to select to login - but in f12 it does not appear to do so. In the past, and it may be your problem now, that issue has arose when the user pictures are stored in their own directories, and their homespace has permissions that doesn't allow access to other users, likewise for child directories and the image file, itself. For GDM (and most probably KDM, too), it's a special user that runs the login screen. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Request for Input on Creating Linux Courses...
On Tue, 2009-12-22 at 09:31 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: Last year, the college spend $79 each to upgrade 500 machines from Office 2003 to 2007. Seems they ordered the keyboarding book that used 2007, instead of the one that used 2003, so they had to buy the new software. Checked with students in my classes and only 20% had 2007, and when asked how many had a legal copy the answer was 0. I use OpenOffice since I don't have a copy of 2003 or 2007, but our Admin and MIS are M$, There's an opportunity there, for a few lesson points: Extolling the virtues of free software, which includes avoiding vendor lock-in (done in a myriad of ways, from incompatible data and programs, to needing regular expensive retraining). And promoting the point that you shouldn't illegally copy software, even if you feel the bastards (e.g. Microsoft) deserve it. It is a criminal act, and should be regarded so. I learned on an IBM 1130 with 4K Ram and punched cards, which effects my approach to getting the most out of the resourses one has available. Ooh, you lucky devil. You had a punch card. We had to make do with a pencil.../monty python voice ;-) I've still got several of those colour-in-the-ovals-with-lead-pencil computer cards stashed about the place. They're a good talking point, not only for nostalgic reasons, but they're about the only future-proof archiving format. Just you try accessing data on a 1 inch tape, when the technology has disappeared, or the tape has deteriorated. Then compare that to something that could be optically scanned by anything, including a person. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: To Timothy Murphy
On Sat, 2009-12-19 at 16:55 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: Timothy's messages do not end up in my spam box anymore. I guess he solved the problem. It's a fair bet that the problem's really gmane's not him. i.e. The way it adds headers, directing follow-ups to a news group when the replies really belong to this list. That sort of thing (follow-up redirection, particularly when the headers don't indicate that *that* message already belongs to that news group, as well), is an old usenet abuse technique. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [OT] LCD Display and earthquakes .....
On Sun, 2009-12-20 at 00:15 -0600, Robert G. (Doc) Savage wrote: About your monitor, I suspect what the earthquake might have done is flex some bit of hardware just right and cause it to rub through some micro-corrosion on an internal signal lead. You know, the same mechanism attributed to those reseated connector miracle repairs? I've seen some odd hardware behavior changes when a system is taken apart, moved, and reassembled. You wouldn't expect it to happen, but every once in a while it definitely DOES happen. I've seen plenty of them. Plug and socket connections have been the bane of servicemen since the invention of electronics. Printed circuit boards with an edge connector plugged into a socket seem to be the worst. Desktop computers marry the edge connection problem with PCI cards that are attached at one end to a different part of the chassis that might pull the card out of the socket. Very few have any sort of clamp to hold the cards into place from a position that does the job properly (e.g. top and centre, directly on the opposite side of the PCI slot), and the case is quite often flexible. Just picking them up and moving them around is enough to turn some computers into crash boxes. And the old Apple ][s were infamous for needing the ICs pushed back into their sockets periodically. /me pictures the original poster picking their screen up and shaking it around to refresh the display, like how you cleared the screen on the 1970s etch-a-sketch toys. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
Marcel Rieux OTOH, when I formatted, I wasn't so sure that ext3 was much use on a USB drive. I still don't know. Aaron Konstam: In it is not muh use if you ever want to put it in a Wiindws machine. There are drivers to read ext3 on Windows. If you use both systems, you'll have to weigh up which is the most convenient. Native file systems on Linux, which supports your normal permissions and ownership file details. Or a pathetic-featured file system that can be easily read by many different systems. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: RFE? Or am I wasting my time?
On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 09:45 -0800, Alan Evans wrote: Am I the only person in the world that cares? I mean, would it just be a waste of time for my to file a RFE that's inevitably going to be ignored or closed NOTABUG? I agree with your assessment. Unless it is actually going to compress the file you're right clicking on, i.e. it's going to be replaced with a compressed version, then the naming is wrong. Making an archive of a copy of the file isn't compressing it. And there's any number of files that cannot be shrunk, and will actually create a larger file when you try to compress them. The name of the action should be unambiguous in what it does, and not dependent on having something else explain it. Having to read a man file for a GUI action, under these circumstances, is inappropriate. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Request for Input on Creating Linux Courses...
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 19:25 +1000, Michael D. Setzer II wrote: Finally got the go ahead to create two Linux courses to our College program. Have included Linux in my lab since Redhat 9 thru the current Fedora 12, but have just been able to show students little bits of it from time to time, since the program is geared to mostly windows and some courses using AS/400 mini system. The Ideal is to over a beginning Linux course, and an second level course as a start. In the networking class, I have one 4 hour section where the students go thru the installation of various Linux OS's, and they can use the Fedora, but many students still stay with windows. It seems obtuse, to me, to have installing an OS as part of a networking course. Considering that people do courses to learn something in particular, I wouldn't mix and match. A beginners guide to something ought to be about using it in a general manner (what it is, what makes Linux different from Windows, how to do basic tasks). Installing would be something else, likewise with networking. There'd be plenty of people who could do one of those things, but not the other, and that's what they want to learn. I've tried to help people who've gone on a computing course, only to see them struggling with (a) stuff that's irrelevant to what they need, and (b) stuff that's just plain wrong. The second one's probably hardest to deal with, because they have to pass a course, and I can't teach someone to learn something that's broken in the lecturer's head. If you can't find what's needed by beginners (e.g. how to use OpenOffice instead of Office, how to search the internet, etc.) ahead of time, then you could offer sub-courses, and see what people elect. Personally, I'm highly reluctant to go for any more training. Years of being a student, and teaching students, has made me thoroughly sick of having my time wasted (stuff you don't need to learn, bad teaching, and no return for effort - e.g. going on 4 years full time, or 8 years of night time study, to earn $20 a week more than someone who hasn't done that course). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 15:29 -0600, Mikkel wrote: My experience with ZIP disks was that if they came formatted, or if you used the Omega formatting tools, they always had one partition. What partition was an indication of what system they were formatted for. Windows was partition 4, Linux was partition 1, and I don't remember what MAC used. (It might not have used a DOS-type partition table.) Pre-formatted Mac Zip discs had the Mac filing system on them. But I rarely saw them on sale, so users probably bought Windows preformatted ones, and went with it, or reformatted them. I imagine using partition 4 was so that it wasn't a primary partition, and would get a drive letter after your existing primary partitions, so not to shuffle important drive letters about. Gawd, but I'm so glad I don't have to deal with that crap ever again, though Linux's drive renumbering is almost as bad. At least it's only a one-time set-up problem, not an ongoing problem - once mounted on the tree, applications don't care what the drive actually is. Compared to Windows, where it can be a right pain to have to deal with a drive being E today, F tomorrow, E later on... I also remember removable platter SCSI drives that pre-dated ZIP drives, but I can not remember what they were called. The didn't have nearly as much capacity, and the cartridges were larger. I think I still have a couple in storage somewhere... And do you still have punch cards being used as bookmarks? ;-) I found a few more of mine earlier this year. Haven't managed to find a pristine one, though. Hmm, maybe I should get some calling cards made up that have that design to them. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 23:26 +0100, Björn Persson wrote: File permissions are rarely useful on a removable disk that anyone can plug into their own computer where they are root. One exception is if you use it for backups, in which case ext3 on the removable disk preserves the permissions although it can't enforce them. Keeping ownership, permissions, and contexts, is useful for simple back-ups. And avoids the usual problem with FAT stored files, where everything becomes executable. Keeping ownership is also useful to protect against accidents when a removeable drive is moved around boxes, and several users use it. Sure, root can mangle anything, but it makes it harder for the wrong user to stuff up the wrong personal files. Simple FAT storage losing ownership is useful for transferring file from box to box, where user tim has different UIDs from one box to the next. That's a situation I try to avoid, but other people repeatedly get snagged on, as they recreate users on a new box, but in a different order. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting Fedora-12 from hard disk, again, again
On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 13:47 -0800, Rick Stevens wrote: If you're trying to install via a network install (NFS or HTTP), then the ISO image itself is what you point at, not a loopback mount of it. The installer wants to see the ISO image itself, not the files in it. When I've done network installs in the past, it was possible to do it either way (dependent on what sort of network install you were doing). But I found it much faster to install from ordinary files on a drive, there seemed to be an enormous memory and processing overhead on dealing with a large ISO. Sometimes it'd be a complete show-stopper. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: G11 keyboard
On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 22:40 +, Sam Sharpe wrote: I have a Logitech G15, because I like the little display in the middle. It doesn't improve my typing speed. A good keyboard can really help, and a bad one can really hinder. Some keyboards are just plain nasty. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: asus eee pc 1101HA: memtest error
On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 11:16 -0800, Colin Brace wrote: Just now I am running memtest from the Live OS (F12) on an USB stick. It has run now for some 8 hours, and during the 2nd pass I got an error message: Tst: 7 Pass: 2 Failing address: 7ba7454 - 123.6MB Good: 2aa1e9b Bad: 0aa1e19b Err-Bits: 2000 Count: 1 Chan: This netbook came with a factory-installed 2GB SIMM. Am I now justified in returning it to Acer as defective? Can you repeat the error? If it's a random failure, it mightn't be the RAM. And unless you can prove a consistent RAM problem, it's harder to prove that it should be replaced, and much harder to convince a vendor that they have to. If it fails the memory test, it'll also fail in normal operations. Don't let a vendor claim a memory test isn't important. For my money, what I buy has to have zero errors. I've put up with a computer with crap RAM once before, and I never intend to do that again. It makes everything unreliable. You don't know whether your RAM caused a problem, or the software had a bug, but you can guarantee that you'll get more crashes than you'd otherwise have. I don't accept vendors that make claims that a certain percentage of errors is acceptable, let *them* have the faulty goods if they don't care. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: dist-git proof of concept phase 2 ready for testing
On 12/19/2009 12:31 AM, Jesse Keating wrote: Phase two, write access with ACLs, is ready for testing. Please not that URLs have changed since my original announcement. git clone ssh://[fedoraacco...@]pkgs.fedoraproject.org/package will get you a cone via ssh, in which you can git pull and git push. The repos are the same from phase1, although I've done a few commits here and there to test things. They are not tied to the CVS repos, so changes you make here are truly throw away. Please test cloning and writing to packages and branches of packages that you would normally have write access to, or normally would /not/ have write access to. I'm interested in seeing both of those cases tried. Thanks again for your help in this project! Checked that I can checkout yumex and commit at change to yumex.spec to master and F-12 branch. Checked hat I can checkout kernel (F-10 and master) and i get a W access for kernel DENIED to timlau fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly If i try to commit some changes to the kernel.spec So it look like it work as expected. Tim -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: 8 GB Flash drive formatted at 3.7 GB
On Sat, 2009-12-19 at 01:02 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: Very weird: it still sees the partition as FAT32, even though I formatted it ext3. When you prep a disc, you specify the partition types that you want, and formatting tools may format the partition with the same file system type, by default. But you can format a partition with a different file system type, and that won't change the description in the partition. Probably not a problem, but can surprise you if you reformat, and you end up with a file system type that you didn't expect. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: To Timothy Murphy
On Sat, 2009-12-19 at 00:14 -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: All your messages at gmail end up in my spam folder with the following mention: Warning: This message may not be from whom it claims to be. Beware of following any links in it or of providing the sender with any personal information. Learn more A different Tim, here, but that might be due to him posting through the gmane usenet to email gateway (it gives me problems, too; different problems, though). You could have a look through the headers of one of his mails, and see if there's something in there you can use to tell your mail filter that those messages aren't spam. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some Thunderbird attachments don't start application
On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:50 +0100, Antonio M wrote: I got an attachment (Microsoft Office doc) but I didn't get the option of F11 to open it with Openoffice or any other application, there is no open with option, same attachment open fine in F12, starting Openoffice writer!!! Chances are that whoever sent you that file sent it with the wrong MIME type descriptor. The sending client describes the type of file, and the receiving client passes that file off to the default application for that type of file. If the *type* is not correctly outlined, then the whole system fails to work. Most likely, it was described as application/octet-stream which means this is some unknown kind of binary file, figure out how to handle this by yourself. If you try to set up your system to believe that all such unidentified files are word documents, by default, then you're setting yourself up for failure with the next NON word document that's sent with the *unknown* *binary* file type description. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 Live CHECKSUM failing
On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 11:53 -0800, suvayu ali wrote: This shows that your download is corrupted. That would explain all your other problems too. You need to download the iso again. If you are using direct download, I would suggest you to switch to torrent. While downloading torrents, your torrent client (e.g. transmission or ktorrent) checks for the checksums of each piece, so corrupted downloads are very rare. One of their prior posts said they got it using a torrent. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Some Thunderbird attachments don't start application
On Fri, 2009-12-18 at 14:07 +0100, Antonio M wrote: don't understand why same attachment starts openoffice in F12 (two boxes) , that are both standard installation. What is different??? Configurations??? Without seeing your computers, or example emails, we cannot tell, just make the usual guesses about the problems. Do you mean the exact same email, or the same sort of email? If you look in the source code for the messages, you can see the MIME type declared in the header above the attachment. There's a chance that you did configure the other programs to handle octet-stream types with a particular application, the first time you tried to open one of them. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 Live CHECKSUM failing
Tim: One of their prior posts said they got it using a torrent. Gene Heskett: In which case they should restart the torrent. Most clients do a full check and will re-pull anything that doesn't pass that 64kb blocks crc. One thing that sprang to my mind, would be whether the torrent hadn't finished downloading, and had simply stopped because there wasn't any more seeds, at the time. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 Live CD - Network Question
On Thu, 2009-12-17 at 08:43 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: I suspect you have wireless capabilities on you machine and eth1 is traditionally the wireless NIC. *Traditionally* a wireless NIC is wlan, not eth. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora wifi: Specifying 2.4 or 5.8 GHz
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 09:27 -0500, John W. Linville wrote: I'm sorry, but I don't think there is a very user friendly way to do what you want other than using different SSIDs. Sounds like something NetworkManager should be doing by itself: When supplied with two like-named SSIDs, pick the one with the highest data rate and signal strength. And, I supposed, there'd need to be a bit of fuzzy logic to arbitrate when the faster one is a bit weaker than the slower one. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Bind Problem in Fedora 12
On Wed, 2009-12-16 at 09:51 -0700, Mike Dwiggins wrote: Then again the parsing could work better on F 12 and it's catching more mistakes. Mistakes should be fixed, not glossed over. That would indeed be Deja vu from the days when I was coming over from Windoze. Glossing over mistakes is the Windows way. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: dist-git proof of concept phase 1 complete
On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 09:49 +, Richard W.M. Jones wrote: Why not put everything in a single git repository? That would require every packager to check out the entire package set, all revisions, all branches. No thanks. Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Real Audio on F12 (SOLVED)
On Tue, 2009-12-15 at 14:11 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I tried it and it seems to be pretty much what I want: mplayer -dumpfile MyStream.out -dumpstream -playlist URL and a subsequent call to mplayer will then play the stream. One trick you can do that is to let you work on a stream that normally won't let you do anything other than play it live. i.e. Start dumping it, then after half a minute, start playing the dumped stream with another mplayer instance. It's more flexible than increasing the cache of one mplayer instance (to play it live), as you can do things like pause and restart the player (pausing a live stream may cause a timeout and an abort, which is damn annoying with long programmes). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Real Audio on F12
On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 13:47 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: The -playlist option made it work. Sometimes needed for .ram files, as they're often a playlist or referrer of some time. Not always needed, as some .ram files are the media, itself. And I've noticed mplayer *sometimes* not care when you you put -playlist in where it shouldn't be. OT: in the interests of having a more user-friendly experience, such as fast-forward etc., I also tried with gmplayer (also with -playlist). It started playing OK but on hitting the fast-forward control the UI just froze and had to be kill -9'ed. gmplayer seems to be someone's idea of a joke, which is a pity as mplayer is otherwise very capable. gmplayer never was very good for me. It liked to crash, a lot. I found smplayer to be much better. And there's another front end that I can't remember the name of. gmplayer is a recompiled mplayer, that behaves differently, as *well* as having a GUI. Some streams just are not seekable, and you'll find trying to seek being ignored, or wedging the player, sometimes quite hard. For playing back an already downloaded stream that won't seek, you can add the -idx command option, and mplayer will assess the whole file (taking a bit of time), then fake up an index that it can use to seek. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 iptables can't disable
On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 10:01 -0500, KC8LDO wrote: Yes I can use service iptables stop at the CLI but the firewall is right back again with filtering when I reboot the machine. Try reading the replying posts again. service iptables stop will stop it now, and only now. Likewise with using it to start or restart a service. What happens when booting/changing run levels is controlled by something else. The chkconfig command can control that, and list what levels the service will be on or off at. e.g. chkconfig --list iptables chkconfig iptables off chkconfig --list iptables -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Real Audio on F12
On Mon, 2009-12-14 at 16:59 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Following on from that, do you know of a way to capture the stream using mplayer (or anything else for that matter)? RFM I guess, but the FM is rather long and complex :-) Add -dumpstream to the command line, and it'll get dumped to a default filename. Or you can use another command option to name the dumpfile yourself. It's time to RTFM. ;-) -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Real Audio on F12
Patrick O'Callaghan: Following on from that, do you know of a way to capture the stream using mplayer (or anything else for that matter)? RFM I guess, but the FM is rather long and complex :-) Marko Vojinovic: mplayer -ao pcm:fast,file=givemeaname.wav -playlist http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/history/inourtime/rams/inourtime_20081009.ram Note that this should be one line, it might get word-wrapped. That will transcode the stream to your requested format, rather than capture the stream. But it's probably more what people want to do. One advantage with capturing the raw stream is that you *may* get it with some descriptive meta information in the stream (titles that give you a who, where, what, etc.). Though some streams are just as anonymous as wav files. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: linux as router
On Sun, 2009-12-13 at 22:59 +0100, paul van der meij wrote: I don't think that it makes sense to configure a router with one physical network card. If another PC on the same cable segment tries to reach something it needs a router that has connection with more than the same network cable. Not necessarily, though it'd be more efficient. Also, a single interface cannot act as a firewall. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting sparkly new F12 install, error 13 from grub.
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 10:35 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: It wasn't just slow graphics Tim. It was slow! I was forgetting the other common reason for that sort of thing: Not enough RAM, and everything is being paged. I have seen slow graphics, thanks to bad drivers or basic VESA drivers. Painfully slow, but your issue sounds worse. Likewise, name resolution can be a problem of causing things to take ages to start, but usually they run fine once they've started. However that might be a clue of sorts as it had to search and find my router to even get a network connection use dhcp to get an ip address. I have been using static hosts based addressing on the local net here for a decade, and its NOT on the 192.168.1 subnet. But I didn't try to kill nm forever and reconfigure the networking for static as it would have taken several hours at the speed it was running. Can you change network hardware around? I've recently had the woes of diagnosing a dying network when the modem was plugged in, upsetting all sorts of things. Turned out it was the network switch. It looked like something else, as the problem went and came when the modem was removed and reconnected. But a swapover of different parts, in turn, proved the problem was the switch in the middle. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Issue setting KDE resolution - Fedora 12, ATI, Dell Inspiron 8600
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 19:17 -0800, Lets Go Canes wrote: ith the added problem of having to boot single-user to delete the xorg.conf file to get the display back. You shouldn't have to do that, simply switching to a text-only console should give you a working display so you can issue commands. e.g. CTRL ALT F3 -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Domain of sender address ... does not exist
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 16:24 -0500, John Aldrich wrote: Even if there's no website, there needs to be an A record. Since it's a valid domain. Well, at least for the FQDNs that they're actually making using, such as the ones the MX records point to (and they do). There are records for both mail and www subdomains. There probably should be an A record for just the domain name, but I've not looked into the specs about this for a long time, and I'm not willing to go by memory. I would guess they're trying to set up an email-only domain and some mail servers don't like that. Ugh. Having to pander to things stuffed up by other people. Just leave the parked website up and running at your registrar and that might work. There's no real (proper) need to have any website attached to a domain name, no website address, no webserver. Even if you're going to pander to stupid services, you should only need to set up the right domain records, but not actually have a webserver. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: alter from hda to sda
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 22:29 +0100, Rune Johansson wrote: I have tre separate partitions for linux systems so that I can keep my old after installed a new. I also have a separate partition for /home. When I installed F11 it wasn't able to reed my old /home because it was a hda - partition. Simply substitute sda for hda, and that's all that should be needed. Unless you have more than one drive, and they've been ordered differently, and that may cause what used to be hda to be sdb... As root, this command will list partitions on your system: fdisk -l If I told F11 to auto mount my old /home it couldn't reed it. That sounds a different problem. Perhaps you're trying to mount the wrong partition, or it got corrupted. But without showing us the actual log of events, we can only guess. You could try mounting things manually in the command line, and showing us a cut and paste of it. You could show us the tail of /var/log/messages when you try to mount it. F11 then said I didn't have any user's. You'll have to recreate the users. It's not the contents of the /home partition that defines the users on the system, that just holds their files. There's files in the /etc directory that control who's a user. You'll want the new users to have the same ID numbers as the old users, or you'll have to chown all their files to the new user ID. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting sparkly new F12 install, error 13 from grub.
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 13:51 -0500, Gene Heskett wrote: Would the bios drive order translation account for the slowness of the F12 system? It is intolerably slow when multitasking, often taking 30 seconds to a minute to close a window if the package manager is also running. The BIOS will be used to read the drive to begin booting a system, but Linux uses its own drivers post-boot. So the problem would be elsewhere. Very slow graphics smacks of other issues: Video drivers, or even networking (name resolution, chiefly). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Domain of sender address ... does not exist
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 10:14 -0800, Philip A. Prindeville wrote: his message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. This is a permanent error. The following address(es) failed: philipp...@redfish-solutions.com (generated from xy...@users.sourceforge.net) SMTP error from remote mail server after RCPT TO:philipp...@redfish-solutions.com: host mail.redfish-solutions.com [66.232.79.143]: 553 5.1.8 philipp...@redfish-solutions.com... Domain of sender address philipp...@redfish-solutions.com does not exist This is on an externally generated email that is coming into my domain (redfish-solutions.com). The mailbox name is valid (it's been munged here to protect against spam address harvesters). Well, according to my quick test, using the dig tool, that domain doesn't exist. Though, a whois check shows that it does. So, somewhere there's a problem with your public domain records. The dig tool might help you sort out where (you can query different DNS servers with it). dig redfish-solutions.com gets no answer But this does: dig redfish-solutions.com MX -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: receive webcam on Fedora 10
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 07:53 -0200, Adel ESSAFI wrote: I have surfed the web to find if pidgin or kopete can receive webcam for my msn contacts. I have found no clear answer for fedora. The only thing I've seen actually working with receiving webcams, is amsn. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: confirm
On Wed, 2009-12-09 at 14:05 +0100, Austin Christain wrote: thanks guys for what you are doing out there..i need you to send me info/material to help me with my LPI1 exam am already prepareing for I have some walls that need painting. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How do I disable coredumps on F12?
On Thu, 2009-12-10 at 11:02 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: The abrtd service is designed to collect all the relevant information on a crash and send it back for analysis. Part of that relevant information would be the coredump. So, you want to remove a portion of the relevant information? Don't you think that would devalue the service? Good luck at getting many people to agree to sending multi-megabyte coredumps. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Domain of sender address ... does not exist
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 06:08 -0500, John Aldrich wrote: Sounds like there may be no A record for redfish-solutions.com. There definitely wasn't, here. But the original poster didn't state whether there should be public records for the domain. External could just been another network they work with. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Is this possible in Fedora?
On Fri, 2009-12-11 at 14:38 +, Frank Murphy (Frankly3D) wrote: in that case it was a third party screensaver, downloaded from the web. NOT one supplied by Ubuntu. Precisely why I made the comment, the other day, about not getting packages from personal websites, where nobody will have vetted them, compared against the official sources, where they're *far* less likely to be compromised. Unless you stuff up your YUM configuration, it's preset to check the signatures of packages. So only officially signed package will be installed. It'll take quite some effort, not impossible, but very difficult, to get a signed compromising package into the repos. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT [but very interesting] Coimputer design]
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 08:31 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: How does this computer design strike you? Video: Amazing Computer portable computer http://www.youtube.com/watch_popup?v=7H0K1k54t6A Since you ask... One thing that immediately struck me as being obviously dumb, when you consider they must have put quite a lot of thought into that, is running a cable to the centre-front of the thing. My laptop does the same thing, and it means that if you actually sit the computer on your lap, and plug headphones in, you're in grave danger of snapping the plug off. When it comes to portable computing, you need to avoid things projecting out the front and back, much more than the sides. And what does project out the sides needs to avoid the front (my USB port is right-hand-side at the front, right where you smack into it with the mouse). And what does project out needs to be recessed so that only the cable sticks out (ever seen bent USB dongles?). Wireless is all very well, until you have to contend with batteries in everything, and other adjacent wireless equipment. I have seen one or two laptops where they've had the sense to make it possible to fit the whole of a USB device into the chassis, but they're few and far between. Not to mention other stupid designs (crappy tiny little power plugs, plugs jammed far too close together, things labelled by impressing an unreadable symbol or text into black plastic, etc.). In this day of graphical interfaces, I'd like to see touch screens more widely available. But that means another redesign: You want the screen closer to you, so you're not reaching out far, nor holding your arm up in the air. The simple answer to that is to not waste space with the keyboard (most users could live without a row of function keys), nor put a trackpad in the way, either. There also needs to be thought put into a screen design that doesn't show fingerprints smeared all over what you're trying to look through. My background includes electronics engineering, and right at the top of my list is making something convenient and practical to use. So many things just aren't. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
including pam_radius_auth package in distribution
fedora-list: Does anyone know why pam_radius_auth has never made it into the Fedora/EPEL/RHEL distribution stream? http://freeradius.org/pam_radius_auth/ The tarball includes a .spec that can easily be modified to support all the vaious platforms in the mix. It sure would be nice to have this in the official releases. What would it take to get it added and on the path to inclusion in the distro? Tim -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Getting rid of /boot
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 00:53 +1100, Roger wrote: Question: with /boot / and /home partitions, do /usr /etc /var and others all go into directories in / I've never found out how the partitioning and install systems handle this. As far as accessing them is concerned, they're all directories inside /. Now, they could be ordinary directories, or other disks/partitions mounted onto directories. But they all apear like directories. For simplicity's sake, you might use just directories in /. For reliabilities sake, they may be mount points for different drives, with different mounting options (read-only, etc.). Back in the earlier days of non-gigabyte drives, using different drives per mount might have been advantageous for sizing reasons, alone. When creating the file structure, you'd make a root partition, and create all the directories. If you were using partitions, then you'd create them, mount them into /. Then you'd start putting files on. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Grub timeout ignored?
On Tue, 2009-12-08 at 00:05 +1100, Roger wrote: I have only ever edited /boot/grub/menu.lst to alter how grub boots. I do not know if this the correct thing to do That should be fine. Do you have more than one boot partition? -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Grub timeout ignored?
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 10:56 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote: /boot/grub/grub.conf is the configuration file /boot/grub/menu.lst is just a symlink for compatibility As I recall, that's a Red Hat-ism. The menu.lst file being the default GRUB file, as used by GRUB, and grub.conf being the file we're using. And that recollection tallies with what I've seen on other Linux installations that use GRUB. Having said that, it shouldn't matter which is the file and which is the link. It should be easy to test which is the default file: Remove both, create separate, and slightly different, files. Then see which is actually used when booting. I have no desire to reboot, so I'm not going to test this at the moment. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: Tiff files frmo xsane arent usable in windows
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 06:25 +, Joseph L. Casale wrote: it seems whatever came out of xsane isn't compatible with the fax viewer in XP. Three guesses: It's a compressed TIFF, and the other computer doesn't support that compression scheme. You saved a grayscale or full-colour TIFF, and the other computer's viewer was expecting two bit black or white only. Some strange error during the transfer. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Printing on F12
On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 18:31 -0700, Paolo Galtieri wrote: lp php-test.css returns lp: successful-ok It's a CUPS bug. I've filed a bug report here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=545026 Thanks for saying about it. Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Grub timeout ignored?
Joachim Backes: What's then the difference between editing grub.conf and menu.lst? None! Aaron Konstam: None, Other than, when something breaks the symlinks, making them two independent files. (It can happen.) How did youu guess the relationship between the two files? No guessing needed. [...@suspishus ~]$ ll /boot/grub/menu.lst lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 11 2008-07-28 13:12 menu.lst - ./grub.conf It shows you that it's a symlink to grub.conf. Likewise, with: [...@suspishus ~]$ ll /etc/grub.conf lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 22 2008-07-28 13:12 /etc/grub.conf - ../boot/grub/grub.conf -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Latest Kernel causes reboot hell
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 11:37 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: There, that's MY snarky remark. Gods, people, if you want to use Ubuntu, go use Ubuntu already... no need to tell everyone about it. Here's mine: He's taking his bat, and someone else's ball, and going home... -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: nautilus overwrite files
Henrique Koesjan: show me before I overwrite the file, if they have the same name. Marc Wilson: Why would you need a plugin to do what Nautilus does by default? Read their addendum to the original query. Nautilus doesn't show you any details about the file it's about to overwrite. You don't know if you're about to replace an identical file, or just one with the same name. For what it's worth, ditch using Nautilus as a file manager. It just about scrapes by as a file browser, but it's hopeless for managing your files. I usually use emelfm2, other's swear by MC. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: To hyper-thread or not to hyper-thread
On Mon, 2009-12-07 at 15:29 -0600, Aaron Konstam wrote: Well the Intel ads make XEON hyper-threading sound like the greatest thing since sliced bread, As do (just about) all manufacturers when describing their new, and sometimes not new, technology. The emperor is wearing no clothes! -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Compiz plugins
On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 17:20 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote: I've always found this super and meta terminology quite confusing. What keys do you press when you read press alt+meta3+F9 in some instruction manual? It seems only third party, very old, web pages ever go into any information about this. Keyboard documentation is crap in Fedora. The Gnome keyboard preferences let you pick what's Alt, Super, Hyper, but doesn't detail what they're for. It also lets you pick what changes layout, but doesn't indicate the manner that'll be done. There's something about selecting third level choosers, whatever they are. And then there's the ever-changing methods of handling keyboards. From one release to the next, I find that certain hotkeys just do not work. Again, I'm back to being completely unable to specify a working hotkey combination to lock the screen. CTRL ALT L starting working in Fedora 9, and stopped in Fedora 11. Any combination I try to set is completely ignored. Likewise for some other shortcuts that I'm supposedly able to set via preferences. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Grub timeout ignored?
On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 15:37 -0500, Clemens Eisserer wrote: In /etc/grub.conf I've set timeout=5 however grub always skips the menu, and loads the first/default entry immediatly. Do you have two disparate grub.conf files? /etc/grub.conf is supposed to be a link to the real file /boot/grub/grub.conf. If you've copied things about, you might be working on a copy instead of the real file (which could be done by breaking symlinks, or having more than one boot partition, and post-boot-time /boot is different). -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: mplayer stop XScreenSaver ignored
On Sun, 2009-12-06 at 23:42 +0200, Dj YB wrote: I have toggled stop XScreenSaver in mplayer misc tab and my screen saver is still running while mplayer is playing in full screen. Ever since I've been using mplayer, and that's probably back to Red Hat 8 Linux days, the cancel the screensaving option has never worked for me. :-( -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F12 Lost Gnome Panels
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 21:44 -0500, Paul W. Frields wrote: Using root to fix things is not usually required And isn't going to work for fixing up personal settings, you'd end up customising the root login, instead of your own. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Flash for my new F12/64 install
On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 10:45 +0530, Jatin K wrote: just download the flash plugin from the following[1] link (please note that link is valid only for 1 week ) [1] http://senduit.com/8913b8 It might be unwise to get files from some third-party source, which could be compromised or just plain broken. And unnecessary when you can get them directly from the people who made the file. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Flash for my new F12/64 install
Tim: It might be unwise to get files from some third-party source, which could be compromised or just plain broken. And unnecessary when you can get them directly from the people who made the file. Jatin K: I've uploaded that file.. I've got it from adobe ( downloaded from adobe's site) you can use it if you wish You missed the point. If you can get it from Adobe, so can everyone else. If the real source is somewhat hard to find, it's better to provide a simple way to find it, such as a direct link to the right page, rather than copy it somewhere else. And not to cast aspersions on yourself, but you (or anyone else doing the same thing) could have hacked what you got, and uploaded a hacked version to hack other people. That's why it's, generally, not a good idea to use things acquired from unverifiable sources. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to install printer driver without printer connected.
On Thu, 2009-12-03 at 10:53 +, Joe Feely wrote: I use a Dell 1720 laser printer 13 miles away (when I visit there), with no IN connection. Here's a user-contributed openprinting.org entry for that device (I think): http://www.openprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Dell-1720dn It looks like you have two main options: PCL and PostScript. CUPS in Fedora 12 already comes with drivers for both of these languages so it shouldn't be too hard to set up. It won't be automatic though, as far as I can tell. This is because that device is not specifically listed as being supported by any of the main printer drivers. How can I install the required driver while at home, from which I have access to the IN (and the CD I installed from, though I've no handy means of using this where the printer is). First, make sure you have installed the updates. Next, take a look at this entry in the common bugs list: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F12_bugs#foomatic-not-installed As foomatic does contain some additional PCL and PostScript drivers, it might be worth installing it. Better to have it available to try than not, especially with no Internet connection on site. Also worth installing: gutenprint-cups, which has some PCL drivers of its own. Once you have all those installed there's not a lot more you can usefully do until you have the device connected. Once you have though it should prompt you to select a driver for it, presuming it's a USB device. Otherwise: System-Administration-Printing Click New The printer should already be shown and selected; if not, select the connection type (e.g. LPT #1 or whatever). Click Next. Select Generic for the manufacturer. (PCL and PostScript are standard languages supported by many different manufacturers, and as I said earlier there is no driver with specific support for this model.) Click Forward. Select PCL Laser Printer (this is the CUPS PCL driver), for example. Click Forward, and follow the rest of the on-screen instructions. It will ask you whether to print a test page -- do this. If it doesn't work, double-click on the printer icon in the printer configuration window and click the 'Change...' button next to 'Make and Model:', and try another driver. Tim. */ signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: OT: Linux Malware is possible? if it is :(
On Wed, 2009-12-02 at 09:09 -0600, Dave Ihnat wrote: Yes, but with qualifications. The problem with Windows has been, and generally is, that the user usually runs with elevated privileges--compromise that user, you compromise the entire OS. Not to mention that with Linux, you generally have to work at something to make it executable (e.g. some unexpected download that happens in the background is very unlikely to be able to run as a program, all by itself). Compared to Windows, which places very few restrictions against running programs thrown in its direction. e.g. Malicious executable files running in received spam mail because they were falsely declared to be midi files (they're sent as background music to be played along with a HTML mail, midi files are supposedly safe so it's supposedly safe to get the system to automatically handle this supposed midi file, the system gets passed the file and discovers that its an executable file, the system does what it normally does to executable files and runs it, rather than do what it normally does to midi files and fail trying to play a non-midi with a midi player). That kind of problem's existed for years. Windows... proving that it's the thought that counts... -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wine
Hector E. Celis: How in the hell do I install DVD43 using wine. Same question for ICOPYDVDS2 And how do I install LimeWire If we can't copy DVDs for personal use, can't use limewire , then FEDORA is GARBAGE useless to normal users. Plenty of us normal users don't use our computers to commit crimes, and find it does all the things that we need it to do, so it's certainly not a garbage computer system. And even when it is legitimate to copy a disc, that would only be one use out of many that I'd use a computer for. Not to mention that in many places, even where you're allowed to back up your media, you're not allowed to bypass the steps taken by the DVD manufacturers to stop you copying a disc (most *are* copy protected, only a small fraction are not). So Fix this NOW (I AM SICK OF WINDOWS) Some one pick up the challenge we can't all just sit with our finger up our ass waiting for some one else. I would but I am just a beginner. You're just a beginner at putting your finger up your ass? I don't know, but looking at your post, I'd have thought you were a pro. If you want to use Windows software, and can't figure out how to do so on Linux, then carry on using Windows. Use Windows for your piracy, and then boot up something else for the real computer usage that normal people need. If you don't know how not to write offensive emails, please practice somewhere else. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
