Re: Any linux-based microSD utilities?
On 01/06/2010 01:54 PM, Bill McGonigle wrote: On 01/06/2010 12:48 PM, Max Pyziur wrote: However, the device doesn't automount, nor can I mount it from root. If the card has failed, I'd like to try and recover whatever data I can. You could have a card failure or a corrupt filesystem (or both). Try reading the card with something like: dd if=/dev/sdb of=myflakeycard.dd bs=2M conv=sync,noerror If that succeeds, the disk is probably OK. Usually they're vfat filesystems, so look into how to recover those. Can the card be made useable again through some sort of formatting utility? something like: mkfs -t vfat -n yourphonenumberhere /dev/sdb1 works in my phones and cameras. That'll wipe your data of course. The -n flag is optional, but in theory a number there will help an honest man return your lost device. It worked once for me anyway. -Bill You might also try to read the data with ddrescue. Good luck. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: TV over the internet
On 01/06/2010 03:21 PM, Alan Cox wrote: I did wonder if I could use my son, in Cardiff, to re-send the stream over to me in Dublin (or Italy)? Could I do that without using up all his bandwidth? For low quality probably - or I imagine you could just buy yourself a cheap UK hosting package with cgi and add yourself some kind of forwarder script ;) Alan I've never tried it, but I was told that there are some proxy sites that will fake a UK IP address for you. Google should reveal the facts. Personally, I just download the few shows that I want to watch. They're all on the net. Whoops, I just confessed to a crime on a public forum. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On 01/04/2010 06:32 PM, Jorge Fábregas wrote: On Monday 04 January 2010 20:59:36 Ian Pilcher wrote: How do you do that with a CSS-encrypted DVD? He's merely copying the scrambled bits on the DVD to his hard-drive. CSS has nothing to do in the actual copying. There are, however, other techniques employed to make the copying really hard by regular tools (e.g. you'll need to ignore some errors etc...). Now, in order to play that iso file in your hard-drive (e.g. by mounting it with the loopback) you'll need to use software to unscramble those bits. In order to do it legally on Linux you'll need to use PowerDVD for Linux as LinDVD I think is no longer available... HTH, Jorge I have had good luck using the program ddrescue to copy DVDs with bad/weird sectors, mostly Chinese. Once you've copied it to disk as an iso file, VLC works well as a player. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Problems ripping DVDs I legally own to my media server
On 01/03/2010 08:29 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: All - To make clear - I am only doing this with DVDs I legally own. I am not pirating, I am just trying to get all my DVDs onto a media server I am building instead of having them strewn all over the entertainment center. Specifically, I tried to rip Transformers 2 Revenge of the Fallen. It apparently has some new copy protection scheme where it reports that it is 80 gigs, and every method I tried to decrypt them under Linux failed. I wound up having to fire up my dusty old Windows box and use Ideal DVD Copy to rip them successfully (http://tinyurl.com/yg8269g). What, if anything, are you using to make legit backups of your newer, copy-protected DVDs under Linux? Newest thing I have is Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Copied fine with F11 and K3B 1.0.5. I haven't seen anything about any new copy protection schemes. Maybe you should post what you actually used to rip and the version numbers. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: installing 64-bit kernel on a 32-bit system
On 01/01/2010 06:24 AM, slamp slamp wrote: Has anyone does this in Fedora 12? I don't want to re-install the whole system. Just for fun, on F11 32-bit system (not tried on F12), I downloaded the latest F11 64-bit kernel package and installed it with rpm --nodeps --ignorearch --force kernel package name It installed OK, since the kernel is pretty isolated from the rest of the system software. Booted into runlevel 3, and it worked fine. Now, X won't start because it needs the 64-bit nouveau driver. I don't know, but I suspect that you will need to install the entire 64-bit X server package(s). This will force you to install at least the 64-bit libc package. If you just want a 64-bit server without X, this would work fine. Otherwise I imagine you will get caught in package dependency hell and I'm too lazy this morning to follow it to the bitter end. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
On 12/31/2009 12:14 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Konstantin Svist wrote: On 12/31/2009 09:10 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: And leaves you with no Fedora patches and the disk performance regression issues of 2.6.32. Also a tainted kernel which some developers will ignore if you get a trace, etc. I thought it's only tainted if there are non-GPL modules compiled in. For instance, I saw the tainted message whenever I insmod'ed fglrx driver You're right, I am assuming he was talking about the nvidia modules which are not GPL, when he mentioned 2.6.32.2+Nvidia. So it would only me tainted if he wanted to have graphics. Or the licensing may have changed, things are not the same for long. Who needs the Fedora patches? I'm not missing them here. Can you tell me exactly the patches I'm missing and what they would do for me? If these patches are so valuable, why aren't they submitted upstream so the world can benefit. Maybe because Linus doesn't want them? I haven't noticed any disk performance regression/problem. Maybe I don't beat it hard enough. hdparm -Tt shows 60.84 MB/s with the fedora kernel and 61.09 MB/s with my kernel. I know there's a CFS throughput problem, but that's easily fixed. My Fedora kernel would also be tainted, since I have to run the Nvidia driver in any case. I don't see any down side to running my own kernel. Plus I save 8MB of kernel memory (enough to negate the bloated Nvidia driver), and I enjoy the tweaking. Best wishes in the new year! John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Where is 2.6.32?
On 12/30/2009 06:08 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Konstantin Svist wrote: How come Fedora is still on 2.6.31? Is .32 held back on purpose or are there issues merging it? It took less than a week for .31.9 to be pushed through... but I don't see .32 in updates-testing and it's been almost a whole month... My personal experience with building 2.6.32.recent is that if they enhance the video drivers any more we will be running text only. Let the developers have the holiday off, and hopefully they will have run 2.6.32 on their laptops and be motivated to work on it. A new year is coming. F11 with kernel.org 2.6.32.2 + Nvidia driver working fine here. You really should learn to build a kernel from sources, once you get the config file done, the rest is easy. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: AGP?
On 12/27/2009 08:58 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009, john wendel wrote: On 12/26/2009 03:59 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html lists GeForce FX 5200LE 0x0323 as legacy. Does that mean I shouldn't even try for 3D acceleration? Use the Nvidia 173.14.22 series drivers for your FX 5200. 3D won't be spectacular, but it will be useable. Thanks. Is it something I can do with yum and rpmfusion? I'm able to work outside the package system, but I always find it a struggle. kmod-nvidia on rpmfusion See http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1114782postcount=2 for complete instructions. You need the section For GeForce FX cards. I just tried it on an old box with an FX 5200 running the nouveau driver on F11. Seems to work fine. I used the Blacklist the nouveau driver section to keep nouveau from loading. You may not need to do this. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: AGP?
On 12/27/2009 06:42 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sun, 27 Dec 2009, john wendel wrote: On 12/27/2009 08:58 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sat, 26 Dec 2009, john wendel wrote: Use the Nvidia 173.14.22 series drivers for your FX 5200. 3D won't be spectacular, but it will be useable. Thanks. Is it something I can do with yum and rpmfusion? I'm able to work outside the package system, but I always find it a struggle. kmod-nvidia on rpmfusion See http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showpost.php?p=1114782postcount=2 for complete instructions. You need the section For GeForce FX cards. Thanks, it seems to mostly work. On some files, I got the message [vdpau] Could not open dynamic library libvdpau.so.1 At some point, I did a yum install libvdpau-0.2-1.fc11.i586 to provide it. Now I'm getting the message Failed to open VDPAU backend libvdpau_nvidia.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory [vdpau] Error when calling vdp_device_create_x11: 1 yum provides libvdpau_nvidia.so gives me two answers: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-185.18.36-3.fc11.i586 and xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-190.42-1.fc11.i586 . Trying to install either one gives me dependency errors: yum install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-185.18.36-3.fc11.i586 ... Error: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-173xx conflicts with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia Error: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia conflicts with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-173xx Error: Missing Dependency: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia = 185.18.36-3.fc11 is needed by package xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-185.18.36-3.fc11.i586 (rpmfusion-nonfree-updates) yum install xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-190.42-1.fc11.i586 ... Error: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia conflicts with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-173xx Error: xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-173xx conflicts with xorg-x11-drv-nvidia Does that mean no go on libvdpau? All these different hardware/driver versions are confusing. The FX 5200 doesn't support vdpau, sorry. You're stuck with the 173xx series drivers. I think you need at least an 8xxx series chipset for vdpau, my 9500 works great with mplayer using vdpau. My FX 5200 will still play HD video, it just loads the CPU. But who cares, when I'm watching video, I'm not doing much else with the box. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: AGP?
On 12/26/2009 03:59 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: I'm pretty sure I my video card is AGP. When I zapped the old one, I had to look hard to find an AGP card. The old one has AGP1 printed on it. As I have several windows open, my system (FC11) can't be too confused. From https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs#Graphical_desktop_failing_to_start_or_crashing_with_AGP_NVIDIA_graphics_cards : Some NVIDIA onboard graphics chipsets use AGP, as well as expansion cards that fit in an AGP slot. To check whether your onboard chipset is an AGP one, run this command: grep -i agp /var/log/Xorg.0.log if it returns anything, your chip is an AGP one. If not, it isn't. grep -i agp /var/log/Xorg.0.log does not return anything. lspci -nn | grep orce returns 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: nVidia Corporation NV34 [GeForce FX 5200LE] [10de:0323] (rev a1) PCI ID? What is going on? In case it helps, my xorg.conf: # Xorg configuration created by livna-config-display Section Files ModulePath /usr/lib/xorg/modules EndSection Section ServerFlags Option AIGLX on EndSection Section Device Identifier Videocard0 Driver vesa EndSection Section Extensions Option Composite Enable EndSection http://www.nvidia.com/object/IO_18897.html lists GeForce FX 5200LE 0x0323 as legacy. Does that mean I shouldn't even try for 3D acceleration? Use the Nvidia 173.14.22 series drivers for your FX 5200. 3D won't be spectacular, but it will be useable. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F12 Live CD - Network Question
I booted the subject CD on a Dell Optiplex 720 (dual core AMD cpu) and as far as I can tell, it worked great. The question I have is about the output of ifconfig. Running ifconfig shows 2 active ethernet interfaces, eth0 and eth1. Each interface has a different MAC address and shows different amounts of transmit and received data. The questionable part is that the box only has a single network port. Could someone explain what I'm seeing? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Fedora 12 - Anyone using mplayer + vdpau?
On 12/14/2009 07:29 PM, Jorge Fábregas wrote: Hello everyone, I just moved to Fedora 12 (finally) and I enabled the RPM Fusion repo in order to install the nvidia driver plus mplayer (and all its dependencies) in order to see if I could finally use mplayer with vdpau (in order to offload h.264 playback to the GPU). Unfortunately when I play some h.264 material I get: [vdpau] Could not open dynamic library libvdpau.so.1 I chechked all the packages that were installed (after requesting the nvidia driver): kmod-nvidia-2.6.31.6-166.fc12.i686.PAE-190.42-1.fc12.8.i686 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-190.42-5.fc12.i686 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-190.42-5.fc12.i686 nvidia-xconfig-1.0-1.fc12.i686 kmod-nvidia-PAE-190.42-1.fc12.8.i686 nvidia-settings-1.0-3.2.fc12.i686 ...but none of them provide this file. Is there a way around this? ...before going the mplayer compilation route :( Thanks, Jorge Working here with F11 and latest beta Nvidia driver downloaded from Nvidia. It installed, libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 - libvdpau_nvidia.so.195.22 I'm using the latest mplayer for F11 MPlayer SVN-r29701-4.4.1 (C) 2000-2009 MPlayer Team Maybe your nvidia libs are too old ? I don't think you'll fix anything by compiling mplayer. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
USB problems
I'm running F11 386 with the latest updates (as of today). I haven't used the usb on this computer for about a month, so I don't know when it stopped working. [1] I can't mount my Sansa Fuze. It shows up in the messages log, but no device is created in /dev. Normally it looks like a usb memory stick. [2] I can't mount a usb memory device as a user, it gives me the generic message, wrong filesystem type, blah, blah, but root works fine. Any clues? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
USB Problem SOLVED
Thanks lazy web ... [1] Sansa Fuze won't mount - firmware upgrade switched device into MTP mode, changing back to MSC mode fixed it. [2] User can't mount usb device - permission problem on newly created dev files. Fixed by running a script (as root) to change permissions. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: X Configuration help request
On 12/03/2009 09:00 PM, Tony Nelson wrote: On 09-12-03 23:34:06, john wendel wrote: I'm trying to configure X to do the following: [1] Computer A, the target of the configuration, has a display but no keyboard or mouse. [2] Computer B has a working F11 installation, with X, a keyboard, and a mouse. [3] Computers A and B are on the same local network. Can I configure A so that I can control X on A with the keyboard and mouse of B? I assume that I need some additional software, besides X, that will proxy the keyboard and mouse events from B to A. Clues, please. synergy synergy-plus Thanks very much! This looks to be exactly what I need. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
X Configuration help request
I'm trying to configure X to do the following: [1] Computer A, the target of the configuration, has a display but no keyboard or mouse. [2] Computer B has a working F11 installation, with X, a keyboard, and a mouse. [3] Computers A and B are on the same local network. Can I configure A so that I can control X on A with the keyboard and mouse of B? I assume that I need some additional software, besides X, that will proxy the keyboard and mouse events from B to A. Clues, please. Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
On 11/29/2009 08:41 PM, William Witt wrote: On 11/29/2009 07:16 PM, john wendel wrote: On 11/29/2009 01:35 PM, Alan Milnes wrote: 2009/11/28 john wendeljwende...@comcast.net: I know very little about Windows, so I'm seeking your advice. I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? You don't install F12 from within XP so as long as you can boot from a CD/DVD this won't be an issue. Just boot from a F12 LiveCD and the installer should sort it all out for you - this is called Dual Boot, each time the computer starts you have the choice to run F12 or Windows XP (one will be set as a default and you will have 10 seconds to make a decision when the screen comes up). Alan Unfortunately, there is an intrusion detection system on the network that keeps me from setting up a dual-boot system. If I boot the F12 live cd, my network connection is disabled and the admins come and beat me about the head. So I think running F12 in a VM is going to be the best I can do. Thanks, John I may be coming out of left field on this, but if you are working in the kind of place that has intrusion detection on the network, (I'm a sysadmin on such a network), then you are probably better off talking to the sysadmins. If you really need it to do your job, there may be some approved virtualization tech that they are more than happy to install for you, or the security people will shoot it down. If it's the organization's hardware and network then they have every right to approve or deny the installation of software. If you really, truly, need to use it to do your job and they deny it, get the denial in writing so you can CYA. Where I work, if someone were caught installing software on the systems I administer like this, that person would probably loose their job and possibly their freedom for several years. Will You're absolutely correct. I've already requested a VM install, maybe they'll get around to it in 6 months (that's how long it took to get the new PC). I was hoping to fly under the radar until then, but it doesn't look possible. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
On 11/29/2009 01:35 PM, Alan Milnes wrote: 2009/11/28 john wendeljwende...@comcast.net: I know very little about Windows, so I'm seeking your advice. I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? You don't install F12 from within XP so as long as you can boot from a CD/DVD this won't be an issue. Just boot from a F12 LiveCD and the installer should sort it all out for you - this is called Dual Boot, each time the computer starts you have the choice to run F12 or Windows XP (one will be set as a default and you will have 10 seconds to make a decision when the screen comes up). Alan Unfortunately, there is an intrusion detection system on the network that keeps me from setting up a dual-boot system. If I boot the F12 live cd, my network connection is disabled and the admins come and beat me about the head. So I think running F12 in a VM is going to be the best I can do. Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
On 11/29/2009 07:15 PM, Jud Craft wrote: Can't vanilla QEMU do virtualization with only user privileges and no formal installation? Don't know if it would be useful, but maybe an interesting experiment. Thanks very much for the reply. I had no idea that QEMU had a Windows version. I'll definitely give it a try. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Setting up a VM to run an F12 guest on an XP host
I know very little about Windows, so I'm seeking your advice. I'd like to run F12 on an XP box (so I can get some work done), could someone point me to the right software. The big problem is that I don't have admin privs on the XP box so I can't install anything. Is it even possible? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: unexpected logout
On 11/14/2009 07:09 AM, Dj YB wrote: On Friday November 13 2009 17:42:58 Mikkel wrote: Dj YB wrote: thanks but how much time should I wait? could there be another explanation? I will run this test now and get back to you after it is done cheers YB. It is more a matter of how many passes, rather then how long. For a quick test, one or two passes will do. But for a good test, I like to see at least 50 passes. This will normally find obscure problems. It also subjects the memory to temperature changes. Once you are satisfied with the test, hit the Esc key, and the system will do a graceful reboot. Mikkel I just realised something really important, I got 4 memory chips, 2 are 512 MB DDRII and 2 more are 256 MB DDR when only the pair of 512 DDRII are in the bios is showing them when only the pair of 256 DDR are in the bios is showing them as well but, when all the 4 are together like it is all the time, the bios is only showing the pair of 512 for some reason... I tried some changes in the bios but with no luck, anyone know if this a normal behaviour or shoudl I change something in the bios, if so what should I look for? thanks in advance YB. You cannot have DDR and DDRII memory active at the same time. Pull the DDR. Regards, John Wendel -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Errors from ata6:00 -- How to find corresponding device?
On 11/08/2009 06:20 AM, Chris Tyler wrote: On Sun, 2009-11-08 at 09:17 +, Andy Campbell wrote: What does the 6 or 6:00 correspond to? It doesn't appear to be a major or minor device number, or correspond to any entries in /sys that I can find. If the 6 is not the device (but rather the driver version or something), is there any part of these messages that indicate which device is associated with the error? According to the libata wiki ... http://ata.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Libata_error_messages It should be the drive plugged into port 6 of your motherboard. Thank you! That's a great link; I had googled all over for that info but somehow didn't find it. I still wonder, though, how to convert port 6 to a Linux device name -- surely the kernel knows the mapping somewhere, how do I get at that info? -Chris Take a look at /sys. ls /sys/block will show you all the block devices in your system and the device controller they are attached to. lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 0 2009-11-08 09:57 sda - ../devices/pci:00/:00:1f.2/host2/target2:0:0/2:0:0:0/block/sda Now, ls /sys/block/sda will show something like this: alignment_offset capability device holders queue removable sda1 slaves subsystem bdi dev ext_range powerrange ro size statuevent Some of these are pseudo files that you can cat, others are directories the you can examine. The info you want is here. Sorry I don't know the exact answer, but I'll bet that you find it by poking around in /sys. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will totem play Apple.com/trailers again?
On 10/24/2009 09:00 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 11:45 -0400, fred smith wrote: On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 01:06:34PM -0200, Andre Costa wrote: Hi, it's been 2 months already[1] since Apple has changed the way they stream trailers from Apple.com/trailers, and ever since totem chokes on it. According to the last comment[2] on that post, this issue has already been fixed on gecko-mediaplayer. Any plans on implementing a similar fix on totem as well, considering it is the default media player plugin shipped by Fedora? For the record: I blame this totally on Apple, and it sucks to play catch up, but it's not the first time this happens, and it won't be the last either... BTW: I know there's a workaround involving wget and a custom user-agent id, but it's somewhat cumbersome, and it's annoying that this is taking so long to be fixed (even considering it's not a totem bug per se). I agree that it's a total pain in the neck. On the Centos list I was given this url: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1245441page=4 which takes you to a discussion that tells you how to fix the problem using the firefox user agent switcher add-on. It works on my Centos box, but I tried the same on F11 on my eeepc and it didn't solve it there. I make no guarantees, but you may want to look into it 'cause maybe you'll be the lucky one where it works! :) Tried it on F11. Didn't work. I find it interesting that the Apple TV ads do play on F11, which is an admission that QT is a niche format. poc I just installed gecko-mediaplayer (F11) and it plays the trailers at apple.com just fine. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: When will totem play Apple.com/trailers again?
On 10/24/2009 09:44 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2009-10-24 at 09:41 -0700, john wendel wrote: I find it interesting that the Apple TV ads do play on F11, which is an admission that QT is a niche format. poc I just installed gecko-mediaplayer (F11) and it plays the trailers at apple.com just fine. If you mean the TV ads, then that's what I said. If you mean the other stuff, e.g. http://www.apple.com/imac/the-new-imac/#small then no, and I do have gecko-mediaplayer installed. poc No, I mean the trailers at www.apple.com/trailers. I just player the HD version of the trailer for Red Cliff. Worked perfectly. I also tried your imac url. It also played (but it was too boring to watch more that 2 minutes of the 7:09). Do you have the full mplayer codec pack installed? Regards, JOhn -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Will F12 have HAL?
Is HAL going away in F12? I read the Ubuntu is replacing HAL with ??? in their next version, so I was wondering about HAL in F12. Didn't see anything on the Wiki. Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: k3b Data DVD writing with GNOME?
On 09/25/2009 04:59 AM, Anne Wilson wrote: On Friday 25 September 2009 04:57:19 john wendel wrote: Maybe I'm dense, but how can a blank disk be mounted, since mounting requires a filesystem? Didn't he say that Nautilus mounted it *after* the burn? Anne Sorry! You're correct, I think I'll shut up now. stupid-grin John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: k3b Data DVD writing with GNOME?
On 09/24/2009 06:48 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 12:47 +0100, Anne Wilson wrote: On Thursday 24 September 2009 10:27:40 Michael Schwendt wrote: Does plain Data DVD file writing+verifying with k3b and GNOME still work on Fedora 11? I had Verify written data checked: [...] Writing successfully completed. It then ejected the disc and closed the tray again immediately. The infamous and premature No medium found dialog popped up. I didn't touch it, because it would close after a few seconds when it would recognise the disc it just had reloaded. In the background, a Nautilus opened for the recognised disc. A disc icon appeared, too. k3b, however, did not proceed to verifying any files. It waited here: --- Verifying written Data --- Verifying track 0 0% After 5 minutes waiting without any disc reader activity, I cancelled it. Does this work flawlessly with KDE. Is it a conflict with the default GNOME desktop? The other thing I should have mentioned is that if Nautilus mounted the drive, that would interfere. You need to deny the mount. Anne k3b has always worked for me in Gnome but I have yet to use it in F11 Although you get an Blank CD-R Disk icon on the screen , when I tried it the blank disk is not mounted. It is the CD/DVD creator that is producing the icon.But I agree that unmounting it would seem like a good idea but it is unclear how you would do it. Clicking on unmout volume in the action list you get does nothing and using unmount seems hard since there is no mount point listed when you run the mount command. Aaron Konstam telephone: (210) 656-0355 e-mail: akons...@sbcglobal.net Maybe I'm dense, but how can a blank disk be mounted, since mounting requires a filesystem? BTW, I run k3b under F11 with LXDE and it works fine. I suspect Gnome is doing something stupid. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Your system is too slow
On 09/19/2009 07:17 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sun, 30 Aug 2009, Michael Hennebry wrote: Is there an nvidia driver that allows suspend to disk and does not experience extreme slowness? More precisely, is there an nvidia driver that does not experience extreme slowness? I've had trouble getting flash to play right either through firefox or through mplayer. Most recently mplayer told me that my system was to slow. It made suggestions that were scrolled off the screen by many cpoies of AO: [pulse] pa_stream_get_latency() failed: Connection terminated AO: [pulse] pa_stream_write() failed: Connection terminated.4% 1312 0 I'm running a recent install of F11 on a 3 GHz pentium 4 with hyperthreading, 4G of memory and F11's video driver. So far, it has not made me happy. [henne...@localhost Cache]$ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.29.6-217.2.16.fc11.i686.PAE #1 SMP Mon Aug 24 17:16:21 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux [henne...@localhost Cache]$ The GEForce nvidia card and the 4G of memory are not original equipment, but they predate F11. At one point, instead of a login, I got a screen with one line: nouveau :01:00.0: nouveau_fifoo_free: freeing fifo 0 I had to reboot. [1] Replace the nouveau driver with the evil Nvidia driver [2] mplayer -ao alsa I've got an old P4 box with a gforce 7300 running F11 that plays high def video just fine with the Nvidia driver and -ao alsa. With the nouveau driver and pulse audio the box is unusable for video playback. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[OT] Anybody using kernel 2.6.31
I built 2.6.31 from kernel.org and I'm using it now on this F11 box. It's working OK, but when I get a lot of disk I/O going, I see laggy, jerky mouse movement. I've never seen this on a Fedora kernel or home built 2.6.30. I don't hear any audio problems like skipping, just bad mouse behavior. Anybody have any suggestions for which kernel knobs I might tweak to fix this? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 - Can't mount Sansa Fuze
On 09/13/2009 01:08 AM, Kam Leo wrote: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 5:03 PM, john wendeljwende...@comcast.net wrote: Something seems to be broken... No device created when I plug in my Sansa Fuze. [snip] Try LOCK on and pressing left arrow when plugging device in to USB port. That worked, thanks very much! You are truly a ninja master. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F11 - Can't mount Sansa Fuze
Something seems to be broken... No device created when I plug in my Sansa Fuze. Worked in the past (can't exactly remember the last time I used it). I see in the messages file that USB sees the device correctly, maybe a udev problem? USB memory sticks work OK. Clues appreciated. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Gnome without a mouse
I'd like to control the Gnome desktop without using a mouse, just a keyboard. Can someone hit me with the clue stick? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: For hardware engineer types re: sound controlers and/or codec chips ??
On 09/05/2009 10:36 AM, William Case wrote: Hi; I am chasing down the creation or production of sound on my computer. Everything is fitting into place after being at it, on and off, for a couple of years. However, there is one hardware answer I don't seem able to chase down. Where is the sound data kept immediately on arrival at the sound card? Whether analog or digital; whatever the source; sound arrives at the sound card or at on-board chip(s). Whether the sound is in 'chunks', 'segments' or 'packets', the sound data has to be stored somewhere on the sound card, before being coded or decoded, or before being moved to the DMA. I expect that the memory requirements are small, perhaps only a few bytes, but none-the-less, the sound card has to (I would think) store the data somewhere before processing it and putting it in a DMA buffer. Is my assumption about temporary, perhaps 1-2 ticks, storage accurate? Where is this data stored? Does the sound card itself have some small capacity for memory? -- SRAM or DRAM? If so, is this storage a property or function of the sound controller or the codec chip? Is there a way to tell the size or nature of this memory from the specifications, or, the hardware definitions in lshw, or, cat /proc/asound/card*/pcm*/info? Is, for some reason, this information propitiatory to manufacturers ? If it is propitiatory, can you give me a best guess? In the end, this is not a terribly important issue, other than without an explanation, the understanding of the logic chain for hardware and software used by sound is broken. Take a look here... http://www.intel.com/design/chipsets/hdaudio.htm Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Removing Gnome from F11
I'm happily using LXDE on my F11 system, and I thought I'd remove Gnome, using yum remove gnome\*. Well, it was not to be. Yum decide to remove parts of LXDE, Firefox, Thunderbird, Java, abiword, most of the system admin utilities, and about 50 other programs that I would think have nothing to do with Gnome. Am I stupid or what? Why would Fedora's Firefox have a Gnome dependency when I'm sure that the Mozilla version doesn't? Are these real dependencies or packaging artifacts? I don't think I like this disto as much as I once did. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Booting Fedora from inside windows
On 08/31/2009 06:27 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: john wendel wrote: Is there a way to boot a real OS on a windows box (without using a VM)? I'm looking for a way to boot Fedora on a hostile windows XP box. The windows box is locked down with a BIOS password, won't boot a CD, disabled usb ports, and no way for me to install any windows programs. I believe the Ubuntu thing that runs Linux from windows requires the installation of a windows program, so it won't work in this environment. Maybe. You may be able to plug in a USB thumb drive and then hit a key at boot time which takes you into a boot manager which bypasses the locked down BIOS choice. Some BIOS configs have it, some don't, some ask for the BIOS password. If you can plug in a USB drive you can run one of the distributions which run using Windows as a microkernel (colinux) and executed off the USB drive. This does not use virtualization, at least in the usual sense of a virtual machine, and is about as fast as any Linux on bare iron. There are articles on colinux, microkernel, etc. Interesting, I'll investigate further. Since the malware creeps seem to be able to install whatever they want on a Windows box, there should be a way to get Fedora running. Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Booting Fedora from inside windows
Is there a way to boot a real OS on a windows box (without using a VM)? I'm looking for a way to boot Fedora on a hostile windows XP box. The windows box is locked down with a BIOS password, won't boot a CD, disabled usb ports, and no way for me to install any windows programs. I believe the Ubuntu thing that runs Linux from windows requires the installation of a windows program, so it won't work in this environment. Thanks! John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Question - How to use readonly-root
In /etc/sysconfig, there is a configuration file named readonly-root, that would seem to allow mounting the root filesystem read-only with a writable partition in tmpfs. I'd really like to use this on a little box I've built that boots from flash memory. But, I don't know what I need to do to move /etc and /var into a tmpfs. Could someone who has this working post their readonly-root config file, or just some clues for us slow types? Thanks. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F11 Install problem
I'm here installing F11 from a live-cd. Things going well, until the screen blanked and the keyboard/mouse stopped responding. I wasn't watching the box, so I don't know what it was doing. The last thing I saw was the copying live image to hard drive screen with progress bar. Anyone know how to kick this thing back to life, or do I need to start over? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Configuration of 'desktop daemons'
On 08/14/2009 11:28 AM, Fons Adriaensen wrote: Hello all, For the last few months I have been running a F10 system which has some binaries renamed to stop them from being run. These include: /usr/sbin/console-kit-daemon-RENAMED /usr/bin/gnome-keyring-daemon-RENAMED /usr/libexec/gvfsd-RENAMED /usr/libexec/gvfs-fuse-daemon-RENAMED /usr/libexec/gnome-vfs-daemon-RENAMED /usr/libexec/gvfs-gphoto2-volume-monitor-RENAMED /usr/libexec/gvfs-hal-volume-monitor-RENAMED Everything still works fine even without dummy replacements, even gphoto2. The reason I went to such nonstandard measures are that I don't run a 'full desktop' but just a window manager or a very thin desktop such as WindowMaker. I also don't run gdm but xdm. Consolekit I don't want since I don't need anyone managing my 'seats', in particular not a daemon that creates 63 useless threads. I also don't want any daemons to interfere with security or permissions - there are already enough subystems that are doing that. Consolekit used to be service in previous Fedoras, but today the only way to stop it seems to remove it. The others are all related to a desktop I don't use, and one of them even to a specific application. If each and every app starts running daemons like this (even before it is started) we'll end up with a complete mess. My question is: where is all of this configured ? Which process is launching all those daemons ? I scanned all the scripts used by xdm and X11, and found no reference to these daemons. They seem to be hard-coded somewhere, which is *evil*. TIA, Don't have an answer, I just wanted to thank you for posting. I have been wondering how I could stop all this crap from running, didn't think about renaming the executables. And you're right, this is a complete mess. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Testing upload/download bandwidth speeds for verification
On 08/14/2009 08:29 AM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: I have been testing my residential ISP/DSL-Landline connections and wanted to make sure that I was getting what I am paying for. Supposedly, one can use the various website based speed test tools to determine their upload and download speeds. [snip] Other than by using `speed testers', I have yet to find a download site that pushes out more than 2-300KB/s? I have tried HTTP, FTP Bittorent and there is very little or no speed improvements as far as I can tell. Just wondering, Dan Just a little aside ... If you're looking for a site that can saturate your connection, try newshosting.com as a usenet provider. They seem to be able to push as much bandwidth as you can take. They max out my 12 Mbit cable with a single connection, and they allow 20 connections per client. Of course, they aren't free. Regards John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
preupgrade ate my F10 system
Just wanted to moan and complain a little... And offer a warning, DO A BACKUP FIRST. Tried to use preupgrade on an F10 box today, it was a spectacular failure. Got all the packages downloaded and the install started just fine. Then the system crashed (flashing keyboard lights, no brains left) while updating the selinux profiles. After this the system wouldn't boot, failed to load grub with a crc error. I booted from a live cd and restored the /boot partition. After this the system booted, but it had a mix of F10 and F11 packages. I restored the F10 system from the backup and all was fine, except it was F10 and not F11. Tomorrow, I'll do a real install. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Speaking of language support...
On 08/03/2009 08:32 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-03 at 18:04 +0300, Veli-Pekka Kestilä wrote: It's actually really annoying that still I end up finding websites, and software which doesn't work well with anything that is more diverse than 7-bit ASCII, for example I have many times had to try to get around stupid name checkers which don't allow '-' and 'ä' in peoples or places names and so on. So it's really annoying when someone wants less language compability by default. Amen to that, but I have problems because of my surname (O'Callaghan) and it's not even caused by language issues. Some web forms (mostly Microsoft-based it seems) interpret the ' as a string terminator and break horribly. It's an anti-Irish consiracy :-) poc Well, us 'mericans has enough trouble wid English. We don't need no foreign languages to confuse us more. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How well does Fedora handle ATI cards?
On 08/03/2009 10:09 PM, gil...@altern.org wrote: I already said that I had no problem with my NVIDIA card and Fedora. Once you know that you must get your instructions at rpmfusion, everything is fine. The Nouveau driver also worked very well, but only in 2D, of course. Suse, and Mint, which I tried yesterday, only got me to a 800 x 600 screen. I suppose the Nouveau driver recognizes ATI cards but what if you want 3D? I found this for x86_64: http://download1.rpmfusion.org/nonfree/fedora/updates/testing/10/x86_64/repoview/kmod-fglrx-2.6.27.24-170.2.68.fc10.x86_64.html but it's for an old kernel and an old version of Fedora. How do you manage ATI cards with F11 and the 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.x86_64 kernel? The Nouveau driver is only for Nvidia cards. There are open and closed source ATI drivers, but I'm ignorant about the details. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pulseaudio - WOW
On 07/31/2009 10:22 AM, Mike Wright wrote: Hi all, I'd like to share a positive experience with sound on f10. I'd had issues with the mute button not working (turns out it was, it was just muting a different channel than the one I was listening to). Once I learned about the different mixers and volume controls it has just worked for me. I'm listening to a CD right now and get a popup when each song begins that shows the album cover, name and song title. Very nice surprise. I enjoy international music so I've been using VLC to explore the shoutcast feeds and once I find a keeper I add it to Rhythmbox. I tried to play one of the stations and got another popup advising me that I was missing a particular codec and would I like it to try to find it for me. Feeling brave I agreed. That's when I had my WOW moment. It went exploring and installed some files from a bad repository, some others for dependencies. When all was said and done it had not only installed the missing codec but also quicktime and midi software with the midi font library. A quick restart of Rhythmbox and everything just works. I can actually listen to VLC, Rhythmbox, and the CD player, all at the same time. I was actually listening to the same shoutcast on the two different players, with a slight delay between them for a music in-the-round experience. Fun stuff. Having lived with marginal audio experiences on Linux for the last decade or so this is nothing short of amazing. Kudos to all involved. Great work. For those of you still having problems I feel for you but be confident. I have heard the future and it sounds great! Mike Wright Uh, I don't use pulseaudio at all, just alsa, and I can run audacious, vlc and mplayer simultaneously and hear all of them. Of course, I can't set the volume of each individually, but why would I want to do this in the first place. Most recent (last 10 years) sound hardware has a hardware mixer. You don't need a software layer to make it work. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: pulseaudio - WOW
On 07/31/2009 08:46 PM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Uh, I don't use pulseaudio at all, just alsa, and I can run audacious, vlc and mplayer simultaneously and hear all of them. Of course, I can't set the volume of each individually, but why would I want to do this in the first place. Most recent (last 10 years) sound hardware has a hardware mixer. You don't need a software layer to make it work. But the developers give it to you for FREE*, even though you might not be interested in it? and it may not work for you, but will still get it whether you want to or not? Nah, I am just answering for the FUN OF IT :) hope no one is offended, just trying to have a bit of fun here! BTW, I don't know why but *it seems to me* that Fedora will jump to kernel 2.6.31 as soon as it is released. Just yesterday 2.6.30.4 was released and I have it installed learning the patching process and applying it. Why do I believe that Fedora will jump to 2.6.31?, since on rawhide 2.6.31.rc kernels are being run, and also that Fedora skipped 2.6.28 kernels altogether and jumped to 2.6.29.X kernels :) I apologize in advance for the (BTW), but since I know that John runs latest kernels and I am kind of following this trend. It does feel strange not to be running an official Fedora kernel, but Fedora is staying behind, for [1], [2], [3]? reasons. Also while on this topic, will Fedora 12 move to gcc 4.5 snapshots since gcc has been bumped to 4.4.1? Regards, Antonio --- [1] the hack that defeated selinux and other security problems with null pointers [2] too many features are present in 2.6.30 that might break systems so developers are playing it safe [3] will jump to 2.6.31 kernels because those are being tested via rawhide and new features introduced that it would be safe to jump this way? I was just expressing some irritation at pulseaudio. Remember how bad network manager was when it was first released? I expect that pulseaudio will eventually turn into a first class audio system, it just needs some more work. I don't expect that F11 will get a 2.6.31 kernel, do you? Of course, nothing should stop anyone from installing it themselves, I know I will. I don't run the latest 2.6.31rc kernels, because I do need to use my computer (for something other than kernel testing). Of course, F12 will have 2.6.31 so it makes sense for it to be in rawhide now. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: no hardware acceleration?
On 07/30/2009 12:49 PM, Mauriat Miranda wrote: On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 11:45 PM, john wendeljwende...@comcast.net wrote: Not true. Software rendering refers to the display of 3D objects in OpenGL. Unless you have a very strange setup, mplayer won't be using OpenGL to display video data. Not strange at all, actually mplayer can use OpenGL. # mplayer -vo gl You're absolutely correct. I've never tried it before, but it works fine. I think mplayer will go through available output drivers till it finds one available. So in some cases opengl output may occur. Although if you installed properly from RPMFusion/Livna I don't think should happen. I've got a box with a geforce 5200 LE, and it displays video just fine if I use the evil Nvidia driver. The nouveau driver (which you probably have) isn't quite ready for prime time. As I recall the nouveau driver was not shipped as default in Fedora 9, which I think the OP is using. I found nouveau pretty functional for 2D without any problems in F11-64 on my Geforce 5200. Again, I stand corrected. My nouveau experience was with an earlier version than the one shipped currently. The F11 version seems to be working fine, playing 720P H264 video on a slow AMD cpu. Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[Totally OT] Fedora is over - Hannah-Montana-Linux Rules
Seriously (well not really), http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2009/07/27/hannah-montana-linux/ Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 Freezes at udev on boot
On 07/29/2009 08:42 AM, Tony Nelson wrote: On 09-07-29 01:20:20, Jatin K wrote: On 07/29/2009 10:39 AM, Tony Nelson wrote: On 09-07-29 00:28:42, Jatin K wrote: I've installed fedora FC (2.6.29.4.fc11.i586) ... after getting update my kernel updated to 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586, now my system freezes at udev when booting, before update it was fine !!! what it could be ?? how do I solve this issue ? It could be the new kernel. Try a previous kernel. Press a key while Grub is starting during boot (just before the kernel is loaded), and, when the Grub menu appears, use the up/down arrow keys to select another kernel, and then press RETURN (or right- arrow) to boot. I've tried it .. ( old kernel ) but the thing remains same, after that I reinstalled FC11 from DVD, problem was solved.. then again I get the update from fedora ... (I see the icon at panel, telling that new updates are available ), now again I'm facing the same problem :-( . so I think that there are some update which causes the trouble Well, you're narrowing it down: it's not the kernel. Try booting without rhgb and quiet, by getting to the Grub menu as above, and using Append (a) to get to the kernel command line, and Backspace to delete those options (arrow keys to skip over stuff not to delete). You might see something informative when booting pauses. Also, the Boot Log is back, sort of, in /var/log/boot.log. It may not show anything from the proper time, though, as it covers service startup and not what happens in the initrd init nash script (which I just learned about). Nothing interesting on the console when booting. Nothing interesting in the logs either. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [Totally OT] Fedora is over - Hannah-Montana-Linux Rules
On 07/29/2009 10:34 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 29/07/09 18:29, Anne Wilson wrote: --snip-- A desktop aimed at 7-year-olds is reviewed by a 40-year-old - what do you expect? Clearly the apex of objective reviewing. Anne Is not most children's *stuff* reviewed by adults. I think the interesting part isn't the review (which was a joke) but rather that there is interest in having a Linux desktop for pre-teen girls (and maybe some boys). Looks like progress on the mind-share front to me. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: FC11 Freezes at udev on boot
On 07/28/2009 09:28 PM, Jatin K wrote: I've installed fedora FC (2.6.29.4.fc11.i586) ... after getting update my kernel updated to 2.6.29.6-213.fc11.i586, now my system freezes at udev when booting, before update it was fine !!! what it could be ?? how do I solve this issue ? Regards Jatin Khatri Does it freeze and never boot, or does it just time out and boot after a few minutes? I have a box that hangs on udev for several minutes, then boots OK. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: will we ever have radeon drivers that aren't crap?
On 07/27/2009 06:58 PM, John Mellor wrote: On Fri, 2009-07-24 at 12:23 +0200, Julian Aloofi wrote: Am Donnerstag, den 23.07.2009, 20:13 -0400 schrieb John Mellor: This is a Fedora-killer. Nothing should be higher priority. Is there any way to get Radeon HD support as a mandatory blocking issue into F12 ? If the incredibly bad situation is not fixed by F12 with compiz and 3D gaming and everything else working correctly, then probably the only people who will be left running Fedora will be on laptops with their very low-end graphics, and some NVidia proprietary driver users. If it can't be fixed in that timeframe, is it possible to revert back to the old DRI interfaces so that the proprietary ATI drivers will work again? I can test, but not if it is going to hose my machine in a way that cannot be easily recovered from. Unfortunately, I don't have the time available to code, as my real job takes priority. As soon as the Fedora 12 Alpha is released we could start another test day for radeon cards. We could contact the original initiators and ask them if they'd like to join us. The most important thing is that we will need at least one person experienced with radeon driver hacking, do you know one? When the Alpha is released one of us should contact Dave Airlie and ask him whether he has the time to do the dirty work. I didn't know the radeon situation is that bad, I guess I'm just lucky having the right card (Radeon HD 2600). I'm ok with this, as long as a non-functioning Radeon-HD card becomes a blocker issue. There is no way that F12 should be released without this support, and most cards working correctly. I can test, with my HD-3650 AGP card, as long as I'm given a backout mechanism to allow me to recover from installing a bad Radeon package safely. For a fall-back position, we need to otherwise guarantee that F12 releases with a functioning kernel and dri modules that fully support the fglrx driver. Its not free, but the free drivers are still not up to the job if we are considering this option, and the functionality absolutely needs to be in Fedora. This also needs to be a blocker issue. Why should F12 be blocked for those of us who know not to buy ATI video? The one and only time I ever had an ATI card was when I was running Windows 98 (the last version I ever owned) and the ATI driver wouldn't get out of 640x480 mode. I gave the card away, and vowed to never buy ATI video again. I suggest you do the same. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can I have a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland ?
On 07/24/2009 12:53 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: john wendel wrote: Anyone have a simple recipe for building a Fedora system with a 64-bit kernel and only 32-bit applications? I'd say you have to install the 32 bit distro and then manually install the 64 bit kernel. Then you have to be a little careful with updates as yum will be confused by this kernel with wrong architecture. (never tried that, but interested in this matter) I tried it, using the kernel from my F10 64-bit system on a F11 32-bit box. No luck. I suspect that the initial ramdisk was the problem. I'll post an update if I can get it working. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Can I have a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland ?
On 07/24/2009 08:35 AM, Steve Berg wrote: On 07/24/2009 12:53 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote: john wendel wrote: Anyone have a simple recipe for building a Fedora system with a 64-bit kernel and only 32-bit applications? I tried it, using the kernel from my F10 64-bit system on a F11 32-bit box. No luck. I suspect that the initial ramdisk was the problem. Ok, I haven't tried this but I think my first attempt would be to install a 64-bit system with a bare minimum of packages. Then install all the userland applications from the 32-bit repos. Sounds sensible to me. I'll try it this weekend. Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: no hardware acceleration?
On 07/24/2009 07:59 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Fri, 24 Jul 2009, Michael Hennebry wrote: From glxinfo: direct rendering: Yes OpenGL renderer string: Software Rasterizer I guess that the second means I don't have hardware aceleration. What does the first one mean? From sysinfo:/ : Display Info Vendor: Mesa Project Model: Software Rasterizer Driver: 2.1 Mesa 7.1 rc1 No mention of my geforce graphics card (GX5200LE 128 MB AGP). Would this sort of thing cause mplayer and ffplay to freeze? Each of them last a couple before seconds before freezing. ffplay keeps a little over 1% of the cpu. Don't remember about mplayer. Rebooting has mplayer and ffplay running again. I even have sound. mplayer occasionally claims my system is too slow. This is likely because I still have software rendering? True? Not true. Software rendering refers to the display of 3D objects in OpenGL. Unless you have a very strange setup, mplayer won't be using OpenGL to display video data. I've got a box with a geforce 5200 LE, and it displays video just fine if I use the evil Nvidia driver. The nouveau driver (which you probably have) isn't quite ready for prime time. I get the driver from the Nvidia website, but it can also be yummed from the rpmfusion-nonfree repo. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: What is this .gvfs directory?
On 07/23/2009 01:15 AM, Ron Yorston wrote: Bradleypursley...@comcast.net wrote: On 07/22/2009 09:01 AM, Bradley wrote: On 07/22/2009 07:17 AM, davide wrote: Bradleypursley001at comcast.net writes: I have my system do regular automated backups and just noticed that the backups have been failing do to a .gvfs directory there is a similar thread quite recent. search into the archives, there is a solution (a dirty hack maybe) for the backup issue. Okay, read the thread but apparently there is no solution to this problem. Has anyone tried permanently breaking or disabling fuse so that it doesn't create the directory in the first place? Final update on this thread for me: Well, I decided to break fuse by making the executables in the /bin and /sbin directories unavailable and, guess what? The directory still appears but with normal access rights thereby fixing my problem. All other system operations seem to be working normally except that I have to enter the root password for mounting temporary files systems, which is fine since I'm the only one that uses them on my system. This will be my workaround that works great! According to a thread on the fedora-test list it's possible to prevent the gvfs-fuse-daemon starting by setting an environment variable: On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 23:05 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: On Thu, 2008-05-01 at 22:54 -0400, Christopher L Tubbs II wrote: Can anybody tell me what this gvfs-fuse-daemon is doing mounted to a dotfile in my home directory? (.gvfs). It's new to F9 apparently (I never noticed it in F8, and it definitely wasn't there in F7). Why do I need it and can I get rid of it? You need it if you want to be able to use posix applications on all sorts of exotic mounts. E.g editing text files on a gphoto mount, or in a mounted archive. To get rid of it: GVFS_DISABLE_FUSE=1 export GVFS_DISABLE_FUSE However, I've been unable to find out where to set that environment variable. Although gvfsd is run as the user logging in it doesn't have that users environment. Ron Maybe /etc/profile ??? John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Can I have a 64-bit kernel with 32-bit userland ?
Anyone have a simple recipe for building a Fedora system with a 64-bit kernel and only 32-bit applications? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Has anyone with a PCIe bus and Intel internal sound chip got sound working yet?
On 07/21/2009 07:04 AM, William Case wrote: Hi John; On Mon, 2009-07-20 at 20:10 -0700, john wendel wrote: On 07/20/2009 09:26 AM, William Case wrote: Hi; Sound working fine here on 2 different Intel motherboards (with PCIe bus). Just an afterthought. Since you have got your internal sound working, could you tell me which channels you have turned on or off? Either using the various guis ( I have got them all) or alsamixer -c0. Maybe I am just doing something stupid. I have tried so many combinations I am no longer sure where to start. Using both the advanced volume control and alsamixer in a terminal, I have sliders for MASTER, PCM, and SPEAKER output. They all seem to do the same thing (control the volume). I don't have anything turned off. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Has anyone with a PCIe bus and Intel internal sound chip got sound working yet?
On 07/20/2009 09:26 AM, William Case wrote: Hi; I haven't. Thought I might have missed a [SOLVED] or something. I have tried just about everything I can think of and every bit of advice on the list. I am just hoping there is some light at the end of the tunnel. Sound working fine here on 2 different Intel motherboards (with PCIe bus). Could you post some system specs, like the output of lspci -vv for your audio device, and the output from displaying the files in /proc/asound. Maybe someone who has the same hardware will be able to see something. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 and PulseAudio
On 07/19/2009 08:05 PM, Markus Kesaromous wrote:
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:09:51 -0700
From: olivares14...@yahoo.com
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Subject: Re: F11 and PulseAudio
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From: Markus Kesaromous
Subject: F11 and PulseAudio
To: fedora-list@redhat.com
Date: Sunday, July 19, 2009, 6:32 PM
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Dear All,
Pulseaudio is taking as much as 35% of my cpu!!!
This is a recent installation.
I could not tolerate that, so I am looking for ways to
have all the audio/vdeo players work without PulseAudio.
So far, no success.
Are there F11 media packages built without PulseAudio?
Thanks for your help.
MM
Before taking a shotgun and killing pulseaudio, try to stop it from running and
see if the CPU goes back to normal?
I saw on another list that killing pulseaudio and not removing it should help
in some way?
Hope you can see if that is true if you don't mind of course.
Regards,
Antonio
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Yes you are right. Problem is that pulseaudio is always started automatically.
I would like to stop that from hapening.
Also, I discovered that the media players themselves in FC11 are compiled
to run with pulseaudio. To wit:
yum install mplayer gnome-mplayer mplayer-gui gnome-mplayer-minimal
gnome-mplayer-nautilus gnome-mplayer-common mplayer-doc
Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit
Setting up Install Process
Resolving Dependencies
-- Running transaction check
--- Package gnome-mplayer.i586 0:0.9.6-1.fc11 set to be updated
--- Package gnome-mplayer-common.i586 0:0.9.6-1.fc11 set to be updated
--- Package gnome-mplayer-minimal.i586 0:0.9.6-1.fc11 set to be updated
--- Package gnome-mplayer-nautilus.i586 0:0.9.6-1.fc11 set to be updated
--- Package mplayer.i586 0:1.0-0.109.20090329svn.fc11 set to be updated
-- Processing Dependency: libpulse.so.0(PULSE_0) for package:
mplayer-1.0-0.109.20090329svn.fc11.i586
-- Processing Dependency: libpulse.so.0 for package:
mplayer-1.0-0.109.20090329svn.fc11.i586
--- Package mplayer-doc.i586 0:1.0-0.109.20090329svn.fc11 set to be updated
--- Package mplayer-gui.i586 0:1.0-0.109.20090329svn.fc11 set to be updated
-- Running transaction check
--- Package pulseaudio-libs.i586 0:0.9.15-14.fc11 set to be updated
-- Finished Dependency Resolution
So, how do I tell mplayer and other media players to NOT use pulseaudio?
mplayer -ao alsa ...
John
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Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On 07/14/2009 10:02 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Tue, 2009-07-14 at 20:31 -0700, john wendel wrote: Looks like our junk is similar - Intel chip I had lots of sound problems until I moved to a 2.6.30 kernel. You'll note that all the sound modules have very different sizes from yours. And your driver version is 1.0.18a while mine is 1.0.20. I dumped pulse when I was having the sound problems, but it made no difference. I'd recommend a kernel upgrade. Exactly which kernel did you use ? Did you build it or did you get it from an unstable repository ? (a yum command here would be appreciated...) I haven't built a custom kernel since Redhat 9... Thanks I built 2.6.30.1 from kernel.org. I suspect that there are pre-built 2.6.30 kernels in rawhide or whatever, but I'd rather roll my own. Once you get a working config file, it only takes a few minutes. I started with the fedora config file (in /boot) and removed all the things I don't use, saves a few megabytes. -rwxr-xr-x. 1 root root 3033520 2009-06-16 20:32 vmlinuz-2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 -rw-r--r--. 1 root root 1348832 2009-07-03 18:58 vmlinuz-2.6.30.1 Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Disabling IRQ #19
On 07/14/2009 02:22 PM, Chris wrote: 2009/7/14 Luc MAIGNANluc.maig...@winxpert.com: We can note that Linux is unable to manage my sound card (Creative SB X-FI). Can it be the problem ? (but no driver is loaded...) Well, maybe somebody knows another way of investigating this... but the only way you can know for sure if the sound card is the problem is to remove it and see if you can run Linux for 20-30 minutes. Then you know what is causing the problem. How to fix it? I guess that's a different question. :) Chris. I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a driver for the Creative X-FI card. I seem to recall reading that kernel 2.6.31 will have a driver. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: From the top... how do I get sound working in F11 ?
On 07/14/2009 11:22 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: I've been using F11 since it came out and it works great. But I haven't had any sound since I did the upgrade. Sound worked great in F10. Its getting old not having sound. How do I get it working ? $ uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 2.6.29.5-191.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Tue Jun 16 23:11:39 EDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux $lsmod | grep snd snd_hda_codec_idt 50560 1 snd_hda_intel 23920 3 snd_hda_codec 54264 2 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 6580 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm62556 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 17896 1 snd_pcm snd49044 12 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore 5404 1 snd snd_page_alloc 7572 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm $ aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 1: STAC92xx Digital [STAC92xx Digital] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 $ yum list pulseaudio\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages pulseaudio-libs.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates pulseaudio-libs-glib2.i586 0.9.15-14.fc11 @updates $ cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.18a. yum list alsa\* Loaded plugins: dellsysidplugin2, downloadonly, kmdl, priorities, refresh-packagekit 1 packages excluded due to repository priority protections Installed Packages alsa-lib.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-lib-devel.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-oss.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-devel.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-oss-libs.i586 1.0.17-3.fc11 installed alsa-utils.i586 1.0.20-3.fc11 installed I've run alsamixer -c0 and all the levels are set to their maximums. I've removed pulseaudio and mplayer and removed the .mplayer folder and then reinstalled mplayer. How should I proceed from here ? Thanks Looks like our junk is similar - Intel chip I had lots of sound problems until I moved to a 2.6.30 kernel. You'll note that all the sound modules have very different sizes from yours. And your driver version is 1.0.18a while mine is 1.0.20. I dumped pulse when I was having the sound problems, but it made no difference. I'd recommend a kernel upgrade. Regards, John uname -a Linux godzilla2 2.6.30.1 #1 SMP Fri Jul 3 18:26:47 PDT 2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux lsmod | grep snd snd_hda_codec_idt 34948 1 snd_hda_intel 12852 0 snd_hda_codec 35060 2 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel snd_hwdep 2840 1 snd_hda_codec snd_pcm32024 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec snd_timer 10144 1 snd_pcm snd22976 6 snd_hda_codec_idt,snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_hwdep,snd_pcm,snd_timer soundcore344 1 snd snd_page_alloc 4152 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm aplay -l List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: STAC92xx Analog [STAC92xx Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 cat /proc/asound/version Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.20. Installed Packages alsa-lib.i586 1.0.20-1.fc11 installed alsa-utils.i5861.0.20-3.fc11 installed -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: any thoughts on why cooling fan keeps spinning up and down?
On 07/05/2009 08:07 AM, Robert L Cochran wrote: I think there is probably a physical cause. It gets too easy to blame the operating system for physical device issues. The fan speed is controlled in part by temperature sensors on the CPU and feedback from the fan circuit itself. I think all the fan speed controls are managed by motherboard parts, not by the operating system interacting with those parts. Bob On 07/04/2009 08:14 PM, Robert P. J. Day wrote: this is another problem i started having with the test version, and it's still happening now -- on my gateway laptop running fully-updated f11, the cooling fan keeps spinning up and down with about a 3-second period. it's really kind of annoying. occasionally, it will stop completely for a bit, then it starts oscillating all over again. thoughts? rday -- Actually, modern notebooks (and probably most desktops) have their fan controlled by the ACPI thermal zone driver - strictly software. Saves the manufacturers a few cents on every motherboard. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Sound breaks up at start
On 07/02/2009 11:41 AM, Jim wrote: FC11/Kde4 . Intel 82801G (ICH7 family) High DEfinition Audio snd_hda_intel Sound breaks up when starting a video, youtube or wma video. It's slow at starting and breaks up, into the first 10 sec, of a video. What's up ? I have the same problem on my ICH7 based system. I suspect hardware bugs in the ICH7 sound chip. The sound on my ICH9 motherboard doesn't have the problem. I finally bought a Sound Blaster, works much better. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: State of sound in Linux not so sorry after all
On 07/01/2009 12:30 AM, Kam Leo wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 8:05 PM, john wendeljwende...@comcast.net wrote: On 06/30/2009 09:23 AM, Kam Leo wrote: [snip] I do not mind the experimental nature of Fedora. In fact, it is one of the features that draws me to the distribution. Unfortunately, in the F11 release the Fedora project team screwed up royally by not providing or leaving available fallback option(s) for Pulse Audio. If Pulse Audio does not work with your hardware there aren't any packaged tools for you to use to troubleshoot the problem. If you uninstall or do not install Pulse Audio what packaged alternatives are available? Alsa works fine here without PulseAudio. You just need to configure your apps to use the direct Alsa interface instead of the Pulse interface. Regards, John Do you have a modprobe.conf? What do you use in place of the pulseaudio volume applet? I have not found an equivalent one for Gnome panel. No modprobe.conf. I set the default sound levels with alsamixer, and I use the volume controls in the app I'm using. I don't use any desktop sounds, if that matters to you. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: State of sound in Linux not so sorry after all
On 06/30/2009 09:23 AM, Kam Leo wrote: [snip] I do not mind the experimental nature of Fedora. In fact, it is one of the features that draws me to the distribution. Unfortunately, in the F11 release the Fedora project team screwed up royally by not providing or leaving available fallback option(s) for Pulse Audio. If Pulse Audio does not work with your hardware there aren't any packaged tools for you to use to troubleshoot the problem. If you uninstall or do not install Pulse Audio what packaged alternatives are available? Alsa works fine here without PulseAudio. You just need to configure your apps to use the direct Alsa interface instead of the Pulse interface. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Firefox 3.5RC3 - Broken for me
Running updated Fedora 11, downloaded FF3.5RC3 and installed in my home directory to test. Crashed on almost every web page. Removed it, but my bookmarks were clobbered when I restarted FF3.5B4. Working/not working for anyone else? Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Wonderful radeon driver feature :-)
On 06/24/2009 10:58 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Tom Horsley wrote: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=506552 Hmmm, that's, uh, interesting... (Blowed up capacitors on the nvidia card :-). And that shows the great quality of NVidia hardware. :-D Kevin Kofler Kevin, don't act stupid! Nvidia doesn't make video cards or capacitors. They make chips that other companies use to make video cards. So, according to you, Nvidia gets the blame when another company uses cheap capacitors? BTW, Nvidia made and shipped a lot of defective laptop chipsets, so they aren't perfect by any stretch of the imagination. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Graphics card recommendation?
On 06/24/2009 03:04 AM, Kevin Kofler wrote: Tom Horsley wrote: Certainly with the advent of the DRI2 utter and complete rewrite of 3d support in the server, everyone is either giving up or taking a long time to cath up (it is never clear which :-). As near as I can tell, the only option for getting even a little above par 3d at the moment is nvidia using the nvidia binary drivers. This is bullshit. Intel integrated graphics (except the GMA 500) just work. Non-HD Radeons just work too. Kevin Kofler Actually, your post is bullshit. Have you ever tried playing HD video on an Intel chipset? It just works if your definition of works is looks like glitchy shit. Adding an Nvidia card fixed my video problems. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 fix for sound on Intel HDA machines ?
On 06/23/2009 09:30 AM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 23:00 -0700, john wendel wrote: My Intel sound started working when I removed pulse-audio. I removed it and still no sound. If you run alsamixer (in a console), does it show the correct card and codec chip? I'm not sure about that. Does this look correct ? Card: HDA Intel Chip: SigmaTel STAC9271D View: [Playback] Capture All Item: Master [dB gain=-11.25] Good question ! run alsa-info --no-upload look at the file /tmp/alsa-info.txt that was just created by the script. It should show the sound cards and codec chips that alsa recognizes. Now, if alsa is confused about the actual hardware, I don't have an answer. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: How to tell if kernel compiled from kernel.org is x86_64 or just 32 bit?
On 06/21/2009 09:56 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: Dear fellow Fedora users, Is there a way to tell if a kernel is 64 bit or 32 bit? If one compiles and installs a kernel from kernel.org. Why am I asking? I have a 64 bit Fedora 11 installed and it showed 2.6.29.4-???x86_64 at the end so I know it is a 64 bit kernel. I copy the config of that kernel and compile a new one and install it, is that kernel still a 64 bit kernel or is it a 32 bit kernel? When compiling I see just x86/ directories in the source of the kernel and no x86_64? I have a modem that needs drivers to con nect the modem is 32 bit only but can be compiled in 64 bit code, I tried without success compiling it against the 2.6.29.4-?? x86_64 kernel. However, after compiling the kernel from kernel.org and compiling the same code it succeeded and it runs under the 2.6.30 kernel. I know that `uname -a` will tell many things about our running kernels, but is there something else that can tell us? Or when we compile a kernel.org kernel, do we have to say compile it in 64 bit? I have compiled several kernels, but not knowing if the new kernel is indeed 64 bit or not? BTW: Hope you have an excellent Father's Day! Regards, Antonio If you build on a 64-bit system, the kernel will be 64-bit, same thing applies for 32-bit. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Time-switched desktop background?
On 06/21/2009 07:23 AM, Colin Paul Adams wrote: I can set my screen-saver to display a random picture from my Pictures folder, and it will keep changing it every few seconds. But only when the screen-saver is active - I'd like to do the same for my desktop background (GNOME). Is there a way to do this? Ancient history ... The programs xsetroot filename, xv -windowid id filename and display -window root filename will put an image in the root window. Gnome and KDE don't let you see the root window, they cover it with a virtual root window, so these programs don't work any more. If you can figure out the window id of the virtual root, you could probably get it working. I'm too stupid. Just complaining, don't have an answer. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Time-switched desktop background?
On 06/21/2009 07:23 AM, Colin Paul Adams wrote: I can set my screen-saver to display a random picture from my Pictures folder, and it will keep changing it every few seconds. But only when the screen-saver is active - I'd like to do the same for my desktop background (GNOME). Is there a way to do this? Google freshwall, I haven't tried it yet. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 fix for sound on Intel HDA machines ?
On 06/19/2009 08:58 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 19:13 -0700, john wendel wrote: On 06/19/2009 03:39 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 14:38 -0700, Geoffrey Leach wrote: Sorry, but it is a driver problem. The current ( 2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i686.PAE in my case ) kernel ships the 1.0.18a Alsa driver (confirm this with cat /proc/asound/version) Significant work was done on hda_intel between 18a and 19. The current version is 1.0.20. Download the source from http://www.alsa-project.org compile and install. You'll need the development rpms, of course, but otherwise there should be no problems. (Works for me TM) So I installed kernel-devel using yum. I downloaded and unpacked alsa-driver 1.0.20. I did a $./configure, $make and #make install. I rebooted. I set all the levels to max. Still no sound. I did not build alsa-lib or any of the other alsa components. What should I do next ? My Intel sound started working when I removed pulse-audio. I removed it and still no sound. If you run alsamixer (in a console), does it show the correct card and codec chip? John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kernel 2.6.30
On 06/19/2009 06:10 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: [snip] BTW, If kernel.org releases 2.6.30.1, Are there any delta *.tar.gz's that one can download instead of downloading the full kernel source again to update to 2.6.30.1? I have been yearning to ask this question, but never had the courage or the determination to do so. I generally follow Fedora kernels, but sometimes I get eager to run the latest and greatest. I run rawhide too, but they are at 2.6.30-6.fc12. Someone told me that there were patches that one could download and recompile to get the latest version, but they don't tell me how and there does not seem to exist documentation as to how to do it. All of this in case Fedora stays a little bit behind, they are doing the right thing though testing and making sure that the kernels work :), and that the changes upstream do not affect the endusers in a bad way. Regards, Antonio How to patch the Linux kernel Download the latest patch file for the kernel you're running - You'll see it on the kernel.org website. Put the patch file in the directory with the original, unpatched kernel source. Run make mrproper. Run bunzip to uncompress the patch file. Run patch -P1 patch-file-name Now your kernel is patched to the latest version. Do your kernel build. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F11 fix for sound on Intel HDA machines ?
On 06/19/2009 03:39 PM, Linuxguy123 wrote: On Fri, 2009-06-19 at 14:38 -0700, Geoffrey Leach wrote: Sorry, but it is a driver problem. The current ( 2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i686.PAE in my case ) kernel ships the 1.0.18a Alsa driver (confirm this with cat /proc/asound/version) Significant work was done on hda_intel between 18a and 19. The current version is 1.0.20. Download the source from http://www.alsa-project.org compile and install. You'll need the development rpms, of course, but otherwise there should be no problems. (Works for me TM) So I installed kernel-devel using yum. I downloaded and unpacked alsa-driver 1.0.20. I did a $./configure, $make and #make install. I rebooted. I set all the levels to max. Still no sound. I did not build alsa-lib or any of the other alsa components. What should I do next ? My Intel sound started working when I removed pulse-audio. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kernel 2.6.30
On 06/19/2009 11:17 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: john wendel wrote: On 06/19/2009 06:10 AM, Antonio Olivares wrote: [snip] BTW, If kernel.org releases 2.6.30.1, Are there any delta *.tar.gz's that one can download instead of downloading the full kernel source again to update to 2.6.30.1? I have been yearning to ask this question, but never had the courage or the determination to do so. I generally follow Fedora kernels, but sometimes I get eager to run the latest and greatest. I run rawhide too, but they are at 2.6.30-6.fc12. Someone told me that there were patches that one could download and recompile to get the latest version, but they don't tell me how and there does not seem to exist documentation as to how to do it. All of this in case Fedora stays a little bit behind, they are doing the right thing though testing and making sure that the kernels work :), and that the changes upstream do not affect the endusers in a bad way. Regards, Antonio How to patch the Linux kernel Download the latest patch file for the kernel you're running - You'll see it on the kernel.org website. Put the patch file in the directory with the original, unpatched kernel source. Run make mrproper. Run bunzip to uncompress the patch file. Run patch -P1 patch-file-name Now your kernel is patched to the latest version. Do your kernel build. Having done a full clean, you need a config file, so 'defconfig' or 'allmod' or whatever is appropriate. If I have built a config with the crud out, I generally save the config (or just make clean) and then make the config to set any new options. Very much why I want to have a tool to build only the modules I need, even on a four CPU system with big memory and fast disk a full build fails the breath test (can you hold your breath while it builds). Right about the config file. I always keep a copy of the config file in the build directory, outside the kernel directory. The real problem I've had with building a custom kernel is not hardware related, it's software related. There are lots of hidden dependencies in useland code that can break if you don't build in the right set of kernel features. I don't know how to solve this one. I just start with a very minimal configuration and build, test, and repeat until everything I'm interested in works. I'm currently trying to build 2.6.30 on F11 to boot without a ramdisk (no modules). So far, no luck. Luckily, I enjoy this crap. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: SATA Hotplug fails
On 06/19/2009 01:54 AM, John Austin wrote:
On Thu, 2009-06-18 at 21:19 -0700, john wendel wrote:
I've got a WD external drive with an e-sata connection. Works fine if I
boot with it connected/powered.
If I hot plug it, I see the following in the messages log
Jun 18 21:09:35 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x405 action 0xe frozen
Jun 18 21:09:35 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: irq_stat 0x00400040, connection
status changed
Jun 18 21:09:35 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: SError: { PHYRdyChg CommWake
DevExch }
Jun 18 21:09:35 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: hard resetting link
Jun 18 21:09:41 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: link is slow to respond, please
be patient (ready=0)
Jun 18 21:09:45 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)
Jun 18 21:09:45 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: hard resetting link
Jun 18 21:09:46 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus
123 SControl 300)
Jun 18 21:09:46 godzilla2 kernel: ata1.00: applying link speed limit
horkage to 1.5 Gbps
Jun 18 21:09:51 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: hard resetting link
Jun 18 21:09:51 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus
113 SControl 310)
Jun 18 21:09:52 godzilla2 kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
Jun 18 21:09:52 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: EH complete
I don't get a device created in /dev.
I'm running the lastest F11 32 bit
Linux godzilla2 2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Wed May 27 17:14:37 EDT
2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
Any words of wisdom (other than don't do that) ?
Thanks,
John
I have two F11 machines that hotplug eSATA OK
In the back of my mind I seem to remember you have to set the BIOS to
SATA mode AHCI
I also hack PolicyKit so normal user can mount fixed disks
nedit /etc/PolicyKit/PolicyKit.conf so ja can mount disks OR Use
Xfce/Settings/Authorisations
config
version=0.1
match
action=org.freedesktop.hal.storage.*
return
result=yes/
/match
/config
I use pcmanfm as file manager when I'm playing with eSATA
as all disks (USB and eSATA) are shown and can be mounted/unmounted
Neither dolphin or thunar get it quite right yet
John
Thanks for the tip. I'll save it in case hotplug ever works.
I think my problem is a bug in the ICH7 chipset Sata controller.
Regards,
John
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[SEMI-OT] Impressive F11 boot speed
Great job, whoever setup the F11 boot scripts. My old Intel motherboard box, P4, boots F11 from a cold start to runlevel 3 in 18 seconds (includes the BIOS time). I don't use any of the graphical boot stuff. I was on the phone last night with a Comcast tech trying to fix a broken cable modem. After lots of modem resets, he announced that I should reboot the box, so I said OK. About 20 seconds later, I told him the box was ready. He then told me he meant shutdown and reboot, not just logout and login. At this point I had to laugh and admit I was running Linux (I never tell them unless I have to, I just pretend to do the Windows commands they suggest). He was extremely impressed and admitted that he has a Ubuntu box at home. I suggested that he give Fedora a spin. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: [SEMI-OT] Impressive F11 boot speed
On 06/19/2009 08:27 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:46:54 -0700 john wendel wrote: Great job, whoever setup the F11 boot scripts. Yea, I think I forgot to mention that as well. Huge improvement in boot time on fedora 11! (Makes up for the steadily increasing boot times starting around fedora 5 :-). If I wanted to turn off the ntpdate stuff I like to have on, I could probably shave off even more time. It seems to be the only big delay at boot now. Maybe I should have mentioned that I don't run many daemons. I run ntpd -q -g by hand about once a week. Never corrects more than a second or two. John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Kernel 2.6.30
On 06/18/2009 03:14 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote:
Michael Schwendt wrote:
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:44:17 +0900, Misha wrote:
В Чтв, 18/06/2009 в 00:44 -0300, Itamar Reis Peixoto пишет:
koji is the fedora build system
there are a 2.6.30 compiled in koji.
I am using F10. Would it be safe for me to install
kernel-2.6.29.5-84.fc10 from koji? Or even kernel-2.6.30-6.fc12 keeping
in mind I'm no tester? :-)
The F10 kernel build you refer to is pending as a future test-update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kernel-2.6.29.5-84.fc10,hal-0.5.12-15.20081027git.fc10
To your original question, no. Getting any software from koji, rawhide,
or even updates-testing involves a certain risk factor. I am not saying
don't do it, just that you asked if it was safe, and the answer is no,
or at least not really.
Kernel 2.6.30 has a LOT of new stuff in it, unless you have a need for
something new or want to start being a tester, you might wait on this
one, or try it in a VM first. VM is addictive, I have f{9,10,11,rawhide}
VMs, all four major BSD flavors, and Solaris. Oh, and a Win7 beta with
about 20 minutes uptime on it.
Good advice (for the chickens). Until I replaced it with F11, I was
running 2.6.30 from kernel.org on an F8 box. It contains new stuff, but
you don't have to use it. It was working perfectly.
BTW, why would anyone want to build a new kernel and use the Fedora
configuration file? You can dump a few megabytes of useless crap by
building a kernel that is tailored to your system.
Regards,
John
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SATA Hotplug fails
I've got a WD external drive with an e-sata connection. Works fine if I
boot with it connected/powered.
If I hot plug it, I see the following in the messages log
Jun 18 21:09:35 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: exception Emask 0x10 SAct 0x0
SErr 0x405 action 0xe frozen
Jun 18 21:09:35 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: irq_stat 0x00400040, connection
status changed
Jun 18 21:09:35 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: SError: { PHYRdyChg CommWake
DevExch }
Jun 18 21:09:35 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: hard resetting link
Jun 18 21:09:41 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: link is slow to respond, please
be patient (ready=0)
Jun 18 21:09:45 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: COMRESET failed (errno=-16)
Jun 18 21:09:45 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: hard resetting link
Jun 18 21:09:46 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: SATA link up 3.0 Gbps (SStatus
123 SControl 300)
Jun 18 21:09:46 godzilla2 kernel: ata1.00: applying link speed limit
horkage to 1.5 Gbps
Jun 18 21:09:51 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: hard resetting link
Jun 18 21:09:51 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: SATA link up 1.5 Gbps (SStatus
113 SControl 310)
Jun 18 21:09:52 godzilla2 kernel: ata1.00: configured for UDMA/133
Jun 18 21:09:52 godzilla2 kernel: ata1: EH complete
I don't get a device created in /dev.
I'm running the lastest F11 32 bit
Linux godzilla2 2.6.29.4-167.fc11.i586 #1 SMP Wed May 27 17:14:37 EDT
2009 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
Any words of wisdom (other than don't do that) ?
Thanks,
John
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Re: amazonmp3
Kevin Kofler wrote: Dave Cross wrote: Package amazonmp3 requires libboost_date_time.so.3 Package amazonmp3 requires libboost_filesystem.so.3 Package amazonmp3 requires libboost_iostreams.so.3 Package amazonmp3 requires libboost_regex.so.3 Package amazonmp3 requires libboost_signals.so.3 Package amazonmp3 requires libboost_thread-mt.so.3 Package amazonmp3 requires libcrypto.so.7 Package amazonmp3 requires libssl.so.7 The joys of proprietary software... Those are dependencies on the old Boost and OpenSSL. It needs to be rebuilt for the new versions of both. And only they can do it because it's proprietary. Kevin Kofler Why not just install (by copying) the old libraries. They should co-exist with the new ones Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Running 2.6.27 on F11 instead of 2.6.29
Suvayu Ali wrote: Hello, I wanted to check with you whether this is feasible before I attempted it. I use a ATI HD4870 so I _need_ the proprietary drivers for a working GUI. However they don't support 2.6.29 yet. So I was advised on the RPMFusion list, that if I really wanted to upgrade to F11, I install F11 downgrade the kernel to 2.6.27 and use akmod. I had some concerns about the use of stronger hashes[1] in F11, but I was told they are backwards compatible. So my question is, would installing F11 and using the F10 kernel rpms to downgrade the kernel to 2.6.27 to use proprietary drivers from RPMFusion along with akmod be good idea? I want to upgrade mostly because of XFCE 4.6. I wanted to get rid of Gnome completely and move to XFCE and Windowmaker. Gnome is too slow even on high-end hardware like mine. Sometimes simply opening Firefox or Thunderbird takes ages(5-10s). If someone were to tell me XFCE 4.6 would be available in F10 I would abandon all this jumping through hoops right away. :) Thanks in advance for any suggestions. You don't need to upgrade to try XFCE 4.6. I'm running XFCE 4.6 on an F8 box. Just get the installer from the XFCE site and run it. You can install in a local directory under your home directory, so it won't touch anything else on your F10 system. Then add the following it your .bash_profile : PATH=$HOME/bin:$HOME/xfce4.6/bin:$PATH Switch to run-level 3 and run startxfce4 and you're there. I doubt that installing XFCE 4.6 is going to improve the speed of Firefox or Thunderbird. But it only costs a little time to give it a try. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Running 2.6.27 on F11 instead of 2.6.29
Suvayu Ali wrote: john wendel wrote: Suvayu Ali wrote: I want to upgrade mostly because of XFCE 4.6. I wanted to get rid of Gnome completely and move to XFCE and Windowmaker. Gnome is too slow even on high-end hardware like mine. Sometimes simply opening Firefox or Thunderbird takes ages(5-10s). If someone were to tell me XFCE 4.6 would be available in F10 I would abandon all this jumping through hoops right away. :) You don't need to upgrade to try XFCE 4.6. I'm running XFCE 4.6 on an F8 box. Just get the installer from the XFCE site and run it. You can install in a local directory under your home directory, so it won't touch anything else on your F10 system. Then add the following it your .bash_profile : PATH=$HOME/bin:$HOME/xfce4.6/bin:$PATH Switch to run-level 3 and run startxfce4 and you're there. Hi John, Do you have a link for the installer? I can't seem to find any from xfce.org. I however found a mirror from a post at forum.xfce.org. http://mocha.xfce.org/archive/xfce-4.6.0/installers/ Are these the ones I should be downloading? I don't remember exactly where I got the installer I used, but the link you have looks OK. You might want to search for a 4.6.1 installer, but I don't see one. Looks like I need to update. If I find anything, I'll post it. Good Luck John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Running 2.6.27 on F11 instead of 2.6.29
Suvayu Ali wrote: john wendel wrote: Suvayu Ali wrote: I want to upgrade mostly because of XFCE 4.6. I wanted to get rid of Gnome completely and move to XFCE and Windowmaker. Gnome is too slow even on high-end hardware like mine. Sometimes simply opening Firefox or Thunderbird takes ages(5-10s). If someone were to tell me XFCE 4.6 would be available in F10 I would abandon all this jumping through hoops right away. :) You don't need to upgrade to try XFCE 4.6. I'm running XFCE 4.6 on an F8 box. Just get the installer from the XFCE site and run it. You can install in a local directory under your home directory, so it won't touch anything else on your F10 system. Then add the following it your .bash_profile : PATH=$HOME/bin:$HOME/xfce4.6/bin:$PATH Switch to run-level 3 and run startxfce4 and you're there. Hi John, Do you have a link for the installer? I can't seem to find any from xfce.org. I however found a mirror from a post at forum.xfce.org. http://mocha.xfce.org/archive/xfce-4.6.0/installers/ Are these the ones I should be downloading? As a side note, here's what I had to install using yum before doing the XFCE install. Mar 02 19:18:57 Installed: libburn-0.3.8-2.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:18:57 Installed: check-0.9.5-1.fc8.1.i386 Mar 02 19:18:58 Installed: libglade2-devel-2.6.2-4.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:18:59 Installed: libart_lgpl-devel-2.3.19-3.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:18:59 Installed: libgnomecanvas-devel-2.20.1-3.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:01 Installed: popt-devel-1.13-4.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:01 Installed: check-devel-0.9.5-1.fc8.1.i386 Mar 02 19:19:02 Installed: libIDL-devel-0.8.9-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:02 Installed: libgpg-error-devel-1.5-6.i386 Mar 02 19:19:02 Installed: libgcrypt-devel-1.2.4-6.i386 Mar 02 19:19:03 Installed: libxslt-devel-1.1.24-2.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:03 Installed: gnome-keyring-devel-2.20.3-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:04 Installed: 1:audiofile-devel-0.2.6-7.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:04 Installed: 1:esound-devel-0.2.38-6.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:07 Installed: gnutls-devel-1.6.3-5.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:08 Installed: libburn-devel-0.3.8-2.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:09 Installed: pcre-devel-7.3-4.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:09 Installed: libxklavier-devel-3.3-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:11 Installed: gstreamer-plugins-base-devel-0.10.15-4.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:12 Installed: libnotify-devel-0.4.4-8.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:12 Installed: libexif-devel-0.6.16-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:13 Installed: libXres-devel-1.0.3-3.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:13 Installed: libsexy-devel-0.1.11-3.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:13 Installed: libmpd-devel-0.15.0-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:14 Installed: ORBit2-devel-2.14.10-2.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:14 Installed: libisofs-0.2.8-2.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:15 Installed: libgsf-devel-1.14.7-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:16 Installed: gstreamer-devel-0.10.15-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:17 Installed: libwnck-devel-2.20.3-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:17 Installed: GConf2-devel-2.20.1-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:18 Installed: gnome-vfs2-devel-2.20.1-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:20 Installed: libbonobo-devel-2.20.3-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:20 Installed: libgnome-devel-2.20.1-2.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:21 Installed: libisofs-devel-0.2.8-2.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:21 Installed: libbonoboui-devel-2.20.0-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:22 Installed: libgnomeui-devel-2.20.1.1-1.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:23 Installed: libcroco-devel-0.6.1-3.fc8.i386 Mar 02 19:19:23 Installed: librsvg2-devel-2.18.2-2.fc8.i386 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio but ...
Kevin Kofler wrote: Steve Underwood wrote: I thought most people wanted to get rid of pulseaudio. Only because people like you perpetuate some stupid myth that PulseAudio is evil. Its a very troublesome program with poor documentation, and little output to help you resolve problems. If you get it working it seems to offer you nothing you didn't have before you had pulseaudio. It makes sound just work, without apps fighting for the sound device (or multiple incompatible sound servers all trying to fix this fighting for the sound device). No more annoyances like games failing to play sound because some GUI event sound was still being played when they tried opening the sound device. (I've seen, or rather heard, that happen way too often in pre-PulseAudio times.) Most sound cards don't do mixing in hardware. A few do support it, but the ALSA driver doesn't. Only few sound cards can do it and have ALSA support for it. So PulseAudio is a mixing solution which works for everyone. Kevin Kofler Strange, I've never had a sound card that didn't have a hardware mixer. And the on-board Intel hd audio that I'm using now does too. I don't think PulseAudio is evil, it just doesn't bring anything to the party. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
RE: E-sata hotplug
After a little reading (thanks for the link), I decided that it was safe to hot-plug my e-sata disk. So, I did. And what happened? A big nothing. I've got a WD e-sata disk connected to an Intel ICH7 controller, using the AHCI driver. If I boot with drive powered up, it comes up as device sda. If I hot-plug it, the device doesn't get created. I think I need to kick udev into action, but I don't know the incantation. If you're successfully hot-plugging an e-sata disk, can you share some tips. Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
E-sata hotplug
Stupid question ... How can I tell if my sata controller supports hot-plugging an e-sata connection? I'm afraid to just try it, don't want to fry something. Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: If you wondered why Intel sucks on Fedora read this
Steven W. Orr wrote: On Saturday, May 16th 2009 at 15:00 -, quoth g: =Valent Turkovic wrote: = = If you wondered why Intel sucks on Fedora read this article, it = expains all complexities of Intel drivers and for me it shows hope = that Intel drivers are becoming better. = =intel sucks on anything but ms, because intel joined the ms whore house =years ago along with many other oem suppliers because of their fear of =not being included in ms specs. = =in off quote of b.g., 'exclusively ms or be left out'. = =many 'old heads' are aware of this, and it is what has made building =linux drivers for a lot of good software very difficult when oem refuses =to release specs on systems. = =given enough time, driver writers will be able to over come the ms =monopoly so that there will be more hardware working in other than ms. I need to go back and see the beginning of this thread, just in case anyone thinks I know what I'm talking about... I don't know what I'm talking about either. But for years now, I have had a marked preference for AMD processors. This is based on my past experience in compilers, especially in optimizers. AMD seems to be having some manufacturing problems, as well as financial problems, but they do know CPU design. Some of us always cheer for the underdog. And it looks like AMD just won big in the EU court decision. The Intel line is so massively pipelined that it's almost impossible to write an optimizer that doesn't have to flush its entire cache every few instructions. Intel finally realized that pipeline flushing was the main thing the processor was doing. The new (I7) architecture has fixed this problem, with very impressive results. Not that it matters, but the Alpha chip was one impressive processor. That thing could clock off as many as 6 instructions per clock tick because of intelligent pipelining. Most of the Alpha crew went to work for Intel. I think it paid off for Intel. The AMD line doesn't run as fast as the Intel chips on a clock-cycles per dollar basis, but it makes up for it in how it caches instructions. That's both why they're comparable and why it's even possible to write an optimizer for it. You'll notice that both AMD and Intel have turned down the clocks speeds and are trying to make up lost performance with more cores per chip. For some HPC workloads, it isn't working. Gcc is a truly amazing piece of work, and it certainly even qualifies as art. It supports a very wide range of architectures, but I would have to say that it does a better job of optimizing AMD code than Intel code. Then facton in that the processor itself does a better job of caching instructions, and you can see where I get my preferences. Agreed. You'll see better performance on Intel chips using the Intel (ICC) compiler. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Off topic - mobo recommendations
Wolfgang S. Rupprecht wrote: Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com writes: A vendor such as Newegg will put you in a nice machine for about $800 for CPU, M/B, and 12GB RAM. That's my goal for my next system, four cores, eight threads, 12 Gig? You really want to run with 3 sockets filled and one empty? I'm partial to the low-power 65watt x4 chips. The I7 memory controller has 3 channels, the new MBs have 3 or 6 memory slots. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: very long starting udev
François Patte wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonsoir, At boot up starting udev step is very long ( 1 mn) how can I get infos on what is going on at that time? f10 on toshiba laptop. Thank you. Just wanted to add a me too, so you wouldn't feel lonely. f10 on Intel DG35EC desktop. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Off topic - mobo recommendations
Kevin Kofler wrote: Tod Thomas wrote: I'm partial to AMD chips. I'm not a gamer but I do like nice visuals Well, then maybe you should stop being partial to AMD and looking for Intel chipsets with integrated graphics. :-) Intel integrated graphics just work in Fedora (just keep your hands off the Poulsbo stuff with the GMA500, that one is not supported yet) and they offer decent performance for things like desktop effects. (Even simple 3D games get pretty high FPS scores with them.) Kevin Kofler My experience with Intel graphics has been less than satisfactory. I've got an Intel MB with X3500 video. It claims to support full HD, 1080P, but it's glitchy has hell, lots of visible dropouts, sync issues, ... I added an Nvidia 9600, 1080P video is perfect. I suspect a Radeon would have been just as good. I wouldn't recommend Intel integrated graphics to anyone requiring HD video support. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Nouveau driver on F10
Since the nv driver seems to have lots of problems, I thought I'd try the nouveau driver. The result was a black screen and a locked up box. No Xorg.0.log file created, so no errors to report. Does this actually work with F10? Anybody got it running? Tips? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Nouveau driver on F10
Antonio Olivares wrote: --- On Thu, 4/30/09, john wendel jwende...@comcast.net wrote: From: john wendel jwende...@comcast.net Subject: Nouveau driver on F10 To: For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 8:52 PM Since the nv driver seems to have lots of problems, I thought I'd try the nouveau driver. The result was a black screen and a locked up box. No Xorg.0.log file created, so no errors to report. Does this actually work with F10? Anybody got it running? Tips? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list I was using it on Fedora 10 with nvidia card: [oliva...@localhost ~]$ /sbin/lspci | grep 'VGA' 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8400 GS (rev a1) [oliva...@localhost ~]$ However, I wanted to watch movies and get the best out of my experience. While the nvoueau worked, it was not to my liking. I enabled rpm fusion and installed nvidia drivers and now can play movies and have no troubles like I did with nvoueau. If you want to get the best out of your card, go ahead and enable rpm fusion and install the nvidia driver. Check out the following page(s) if you will follow this route: http://www.mjmwired.net/resources/mjm-fedora-f10.html and/or http://www.fedorafaq.org/ and you should be set provided your card is supported in some way. Also you are encouraged to install akmod package, this way when and if you install a new kernel, the akmod package takes care of building the nvidia driver against your new kernel and all should just work. If you do not need multimedia capabilities the noveaux driver should work, and if it does not, many will encourage you to file bug reports. Regards, Antonio Thanks for the reply. I'm using the nvidia driver for my new cards, but this card is a TNT2 (10 years old). The nvidia driver that supports it won't build with the current F10 kernel, the nv driver is a P.O.S, and it looks like nouveau doesn't like it either. Guess I'm out of luck. If F11 doesn't work, I'll file a bugzilla. Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: PCSCD failure
Todd Denniston wrote: it looks like you have a ActivCard USB Reader V2, http://pcsclite.alioth.debian.org/iManufacturer.html with usb product id 0x0008 http://pcsclite.alioth.debian.org/unsupported.html#0x09C30x0008 Some folks have had luck upgrading the firmware on SOME instances of that hardware with the latest firmware from SCM for the SCR-331. see http://lists.drizzle.com/pipermail/muscle/ If it works then you now have a reader that acts like a http://pcsclite.alioth.debian.org/supported.html#0x04E60xE001 if it don't work I suspect you have a very light paperweight at the end, and then again, that is pretty much what you got now. Before buying later I would suggest looking more at the pcsclite lists: http://pcsclite.alioth.debian.org/supported.html http://pcsclite.alioth.debian.org/section.html Good luck. Thanks very much for the tips. I've downloaded the firmware and Windows installer, now I just need to get someone (at work) with a Windows box that isn't totally locked down, to run the firmware update. My NMCI windows box told me to drop dead when I tried it. BTW, I once saw this reader working correctly on an FC6 installation, with a lot of hand installed packages. Too bad that the improvements to the code broke something that was working. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
[Semi-OT] OSS audio vs ALSA
While playing with tinycore linux, I installed OSS audio drivers for my onboard Intel HD audio. AMAZING IMPROVEMENT VS ALSA! With ALSA, I have to max the volume to hear anything, with OSS 20% volume was a normal listening level. Everything that I tried sounded much better with OSS. I'm seriously thinking of switching my media box from Fedora to tinycore. Can someone explain why OSS was rejected by the Fedora team? License problem? Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
PCSCD failure
I'm trying to use a smart card reader, without any luck. I've installed pcscd and whatever else yum pilled in and have 2 new services running (pcscd and ???). The system log shows the following failure to setup the device. I'm stuck. Any clues appreciated. Thanks, John Apr 22 13:50:58 Godzilla1 pcscd: pcscdaemon.c:498:main() pcsc-lite 1.4.102 daemon ready. Apr 22 13:50:59 Godzilla1 pcscd: hotplug_libhal.c:342:HPAddDevice() Adding USB device: usb_device_9c3_8_50108525_if0 Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: readerfactory.c:1082:RFInitializeReader() Attempting startup of ActivCard USB Reader 2.0 00 00 using /usr/lib/pcsc/drivers/ifd-ccid.bundle/Contents/Linux/libccid.so Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: readerfactory.c:949:RFBindFunctions() Loading IFD Handler 3.0 Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: ifdhandler.c:1323:init_driver() Driver version: 1.3.8 Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: ifdhandler.c:1336:init_driver() LogLevel: 0x0003 Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: ifdhandler.c:1356:init_driver() DriverOptions: 0x Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: ifdhandler.c:81:IFDHCreateChannelByName() lun: 0, device: usb:09c3/0008:libhal:/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_9c3_8_50108525_if0 Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: ccid_usb.c:236:OpenUSBByName() Manufacturer: Ludovic Rousseau (ludovic.rouss...@free.fr) Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: ccid_usb.c:246:OpenUSBByName() ProductString: Generic CCID driver Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: ccid_usb.c:252:OpenUSBByName() Copyright: This driver is protected by terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License version 2.1, or (at your option) any later version. Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: ccid_usb.c:402:OpenUSBByName() Can't claim interface 001/004: Device or resource busy Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: ifdhandler.c:99:IFDHCreateChannelByName() failed Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: readerfactory.c:1121:RFInitializeReader() Open Port 20 Failed (usb:09c3/0008:libhal:/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_9c3_8_50108525_if0) Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: readerfactory.c:994:RFUnloadReader() Unloading reader driver. Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: readerfactory.c:249:RFAddReader() ActivCard USB Reader 2.0 init failed. Apr 22 13:51:00 Godzilla1 pcscd: hotplug_libhal.c:395:HPAddDevice() Failed adding USB device: usb_device_9c3_8_50108525_if0 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Question about mkfs.ext3
I'm formatting a new disk and running mkfs.ext3. I asked for 25000 inodes with -N 25000, but it gave me 118,272 inodes. What did I do wrong? Thanks, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: 2 sata drives using 1 cable
Mike Chambers wrote: I tried googling this question and not having any luck. And not being the hardware expect, thought I would ask here. I have 2 sata slots on my MB, 1 goes to my dvd player, the other to my HD. And I do have one IDE slot to use. Now to the question. What I want to know, is if 1 sata HD can slave off another sata HD? Like using IDE drives and using one as master, and one as slave, both using same IDE cable, with just more than one connection on it? Of course, not sure I see another slot mentioned in the BIOS, so maybe it's a mute point? You can buy a sata switch, one sata cable from the computer connects to the switch, which connects to a number of drives (I've seen a 4 disk switch). But they aren't cheap. Much cheaper to buy a pci sata controller. Regards, John -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
