Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
2010/1/8 Chris Smart m...@christophersmart.com: I have stumbled across a Firefox add-on theme called Oxygen KDE which I think does a pretty amazing job of making Firefox look like a KDE app. Oh, and this is a great add-on too, plasma notification: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/12196; -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
2010/1/1 Chris Smart m...@christophersmart.com: Has anyone looked into openSUSE's brilliant integration of Firefox into KDE4? Is this something that interests the Fedora community? I have stumbled across a Firefox add-on theme called Oxygen KDE which I think does a pretty amazing job of making Firefox look like a KDE app. I scanned the extracted files with ClamAV and it was clean, but I still recommend you do this yourself too. If you're after a solution, give this a try. To see what it's like I've put an entry on my blog: http://blog.christophersmart.com/2010/01/08/make-firefox-look-like-a-kde-app-in-one-simple-step/; -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
2010/1/2 Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu: We (fedora-kde sig) would be more interested in this if there were more effort to push such integration to mozilla upstream. As far as I'm aware, there is very little to date. (ie, I personally wouldn't be too interested in trying to maintain something like this that doesn't have good/broad support by mozilla developers too). FYI, although there's nothing to report yet, there is a bug track entered upstream here: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=528510; -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
On Fri, 2010-01-01 at 20:26 +1100, Chris Smart wrote: Has anyone looked into openSUSE's brilliant integration of Firefox into KDE4? Is this something that interests the Fedora community? Status: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/FirefoxIntegration; Code: http://gitorious.org/firefox-kde-opensuse; Is there a description of what that actually means? A page of statuses gives no clue, but the name sounds like someone's trying to copy the Microsoft lunacy of integrating MSIE into the desktop. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
2010/1/2 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: Is there a description of what that actually means? A page of statuses gives no clue, but the name sounds like someone's trying to copy the Microsoft lunacy of integrating MSIE into the desktop. Firefox is GTK based which means it integrates into the GNOME/other GTK based environments nicely. It does not integrate nicely with Qt based desktops such as KDE, however. This hack makes Firefox use Qt based components rather than GTK for things like buttons, dialogs, etc, so that it is much more integrated into KDE. Saving a page, for example, brings up the usual KDE file manager. -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
Mail Lists lists at sapience.com writes: Actually chrome is way faster, more secure and takes way way less memory - I suspect firefox usage will slowly tail off much like netscape did in the past - as chrome takes over .. it is so so much better ... even in its beta form. I'd focus your energies there were I you ... Yes Chrome has much promise especially as it is webkit based and not gecko based. Chrome still has issues to resolve - like it does not do rss feeds, and reloading a page often won't reload and you have to clear the browser history. However it does have things that Firefox does not - like speed, and separated processes for each tab - the latter is very fundamentally better than the way Firefox works - It time I agree that it does look as though Chrome may well win - if the Firefox developers don't pay attention to the competition - and gecko is not the way forward - webkit is! -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
On 01/02/2010 12:33 PM, Mike Cloaked wrote: It time I agree that it does look as though Chrome may well win - if the Firefox developers don't pay attention to the competition - and gecko is not the way forward - webkit is! Agreed - and being native clean c++ code instead of an ancient, rehacked interpreter has enormous speed and reliability benefits - not to mention the old crusty firefox base and its innumerable memory leaks. Webkit is also the core of safari on mac os/x .. so it has active support by a large base of developers - unlike firefox which has done amazingly considering the small number of developers. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
On Saturday 02 January 2010 16:58:08 Chris Smart wrote: 2010/1/2 Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au: Is there a description of what that actually means? A page of statuses gives no clue, but the name sounds like someone's trying to copy the Microsoft lunacy of integrating MSIE into the desktop. Firefox is GTK based which means it integrates into the GNOME/other GTK based environments nicely. It does not integrate nicely with Qt based desktops such as KDE, however. This hack makes Firefox use Qt based components rather than GTK for things like buttons, dialogs, etc, so that it is much more integrated into KDE. Saving a page, for example, brings up the usual KDE file manager. I believe Tim was asking something else. This is not a question of integrating the browser into the DE, but integrating the DE into the browser. What Microsoft does is to make the whole environment dependent on MSIE --- it is integrated in the sense that you cannot run your system without it (not properly, at least). This is, as Tim well put it, lunacy. What people at openSUSE do is what Chris said --- to adjust Firefox so that it becomes visually and functionally more similar to other KDE apps. It has nothing to do with making KDE dependent on Firefox. The browser is integrated in the sense that it looks more like a KDE app. It is adjusted to communicate better with other parts of DE, and to appear more similar. In that sense one can talk about integrating the DE into the browser, because the browser is being modified to blend into the DE in a nicer way. In principle, this is a good idea. In practice, I'm not sure how well it can be done and is it worth the effort. But I welcome the initiative, of course. Best, :-) Marko -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
2010/1/3 Marko Vojinovic vvma...@gmail.com: In principle, this is a good idea. In practice, I'm not sure how well it can be done and is it worth the effort. But I welcome the initiative, of course. It has already been done and it was certainly worth the effort. Download the openSUSE KDE Live CD and see for yourself! :-) -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
On 01/01/2010 09:26 AM, Chris Smart wrote: Has anyone looked into openSUSE's brilliant integration of Firefox into KDE4? Is this something that interests the Fedora community? Status: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/FirefoxIntegration; Code: http://gitorious.org/firefox-kde-opensuse; -c It's something that interests me, I already use something called kgtk which is in the fedora repo's, It allows gtk apps to use the KDE file dialogs. you runs your gtk apps with... kgtk2-wrapper firefox It works but it's not brilliantly stable I'd like the rest of what suse do, with the application launcher dialog especially unfortunately I'm no packager so I wouldn't know were to start really in bringing this over to fedora, One assumes it's all open source and would be perfectly OK to bring it over?? Martin smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
Chris Smart wrote: Has anyone looked into openSUSE's brilliant integration of Firefox into KDE4? Is this something that interests the Fedora community? Status: http://en.opensuse.org/KDE/FirefoxIntegration; Code: http://gitorious.org/firefox-kde-opensuse; Kinda sorta. We (fedora-kde sig) would be more interested in this if there were more effort to push such integration to mozilla upstream. As far as I'm aware, there is very little to date. (ie, I personally wouldn't be too interested in trying to maintain something like this that doesn't have good/broad support by mozilla developers too). Of course, I'd love to be wrong here. -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
2010/1/2 Rex Dieter rdie...@math.unl.edu: We (fedora-kde sig) would be more interested in this if there were more effort to push such integration to mozilla upstream. As far as I'm aware, there is very little to date. (ie, I personally wouldn't be too interested in trying to maintain something like this that doesn't have good/broad support by mozilla developers too). Yeah, understandable. I've used it under openSUSE on my Mum's machine and I have to say that it's most pleasant to use. All of the menus and dialogs, settings, etc use KDE components, it's very nice. A decent, well integrated Qt browser is still a major missing component of KDE and doesn't appear to be coming any time soon. Most users like Firefox and this seems a good compromise. -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
On 01/01/2010 08:23 PM, Chris Smart wrote: A decent, well integrated Qt browser is still a major missing component of KDE and doesn't appear to be coming any time soon. Most users like Firefox and this seems a good compromise. Actually chrome is way faster, more secure and takes way way less memory - I suspect firefox usage will slowly tail off much like netscape did in the past - as chrome takes over .. it is so so much better ... even in its beta form. I'd focus your energies there were I you ... -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
2010/1/2 Mail Lists li...@sapience.com: Actually chrome is way faster, more secure and takes way way less memory - I suspect firefox usage will slowly tail off much like netscape did in the past - as chrome takes over .. it is so so much better ... even in its beta form. Maybe so, but there are some major issues there. Firstly, I doubt that Firefox will stop innovating and not be just playing catch up (please!). More importantly is that Chromium doesn't (and won't any time soon) ship with Fedora http://spot.livejournal.com/312320.html; Finally, I think it would be remiss of Fedora to ship Chrome as a default browser, given privacy concerns. I'd focus your energies there were I you ... I don't quite trust Google enough, but I do think that the browser holds a lot of promise. Google also has the brand name to take massive market share, so it will be interesting. In the mean time, we need something which works well enough on KDE, and the openSUSE port does that right now. As an aside, does Chromium use KDE components for everything? -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Firefox KDE integration à la openSUSE
2010/1/2 Chris Smart m...@christophersmart.com: I don't quite trust Google enough, but I do think that the browser holds a lot of promise. Google also has the brand name to take massive market share, so it will be interesting. Just downloaded and installed 4.0 beta of the Iron port which looks like it uses GTK to me..? -c -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
