Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
Mail Lists: I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users Tony Nelson: Too terse to guide new signups away from the developers' list. The currentname is wordy and wraps too often. And that wrapping has been known to cause problems with some clients, in the past. One way or another (e.g. it's not seen past the wrap). Community assistance for using Fedora. I think the obvious is escaping people's attention. It's a description on a web page that tells people what list to use. A new user isn't very likely to join the list by accidentally finding an email in a search engine, they'll find a web page. The text written on the page needs to provide the information, the naming text next to an email address just needs to be sensible in your mail client. The two don't have to be the same. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
Am Dienstag, den 29.12.2009, 12:49 -0500 schrieb Mail Lists: May I suggest as we move to the new mailling list server, that we please change the name(s) from the current long (and goofy) one(s) such as: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. to something more concise ? BTW: May I suggest *you* change *your* name from the current meaningless Mail Lists to something more concise? ;) thanks. Happy new year, Christoph -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On 01/01/2010 06:30 AM, Christoph Wickert wrote: to something more concise ? BTW: May I suggest *you* change *your* name from the current meaningless Mail Lists to something more concise? ;) Would ML be better for you - more concise ? ;-) gene(ML;-) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:18:07 -0500, Mail Lists wrote: On 12/30/2009 06:27 PM, Mail Lists wrote: I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users Or perhaps: Fedora General Fwiw, that's what Gmane calls it. (Well, really gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.general -- but that's the part that Pan shows when set to abbreviate names: g.l.r.fedora.general) It's good enough for those of us who participate via Gmane. -- Beartooth Staffwright, Neo-Redneck Not Quite Clueless Power User I have precious (very precious!) little idea where up is. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On Thu, 2009-12-31 at 08:34 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: Sam Sharpe wrote: 2009/12/30 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com: On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it. My 2c: The Fedora users list My 2p Fedora Users us...@lists.fedoraproject.org I'm not a Fedora User. I only keep a F12 virtual machine to investigate questions that interest me. Does that disqualify me from posting? :-) Sorry to break it to you Ed, but you are a Fedora user, just as I am a Windows user. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 20:06 -0500, William Case wrote: Hi; On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 22:51 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it. My 2c: The Fedora users list Geez Patrick, would I still be able to get community assistance, encouragement and advice for using Fedora? I would particularly miss the encouragement. insert witty riposte poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On 30/12/09 23:48, Sam Sharpe wrote: 2009/12/30 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com: On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it. My 2c: The Fedora users list My 2p Fedora Users us...@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Sam This is not the Ubuntu list :D -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On Dec 29, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 11:10 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote: There was a discussion a while back as to how to describe list. The result is what you see today. The idea is that the list name/description would clarify expectations to everyone arriving here. In short it says: this is what the fedora user list is for. That may well be, but it's the wrong place to put a *description*. And certainly not where any newcomer is going to see it. It's not all that uncommon. I've seen more than a few posts to this list that were also posted to: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions ubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 05:08 -0400, Steven Susbauer wrote: On Dec 29, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Tim wrote: On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 11:10 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote: There was a discussion a while back as to how to describe list. The result is what you see today. The idea 0052b2a6-0010ist name/description would clarify expectations to everyone arriving here. In short it says: this is what the fedora user list is for. That may well be, but it's the wrong place to put a *description*. And certainly not where any newcomer is going to see it. It's not all that uncommon. I've seen more than a few posts to this list that were also posted to: Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions ubuntu-us...@lists.ubuntu.com Mea culpa, I set this field in 2008. According to Mailman, that is the Description field (described as a Terse phrase identifying the list). The actual *name* of the list is fedora-list. The name and description appear side-by-side at https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo This change followed a discussion about list quality (among other things, no one was registered as list-owner at the time, and the purpose/scope of the list was not clearly defined). We also wanted a lightweight way to remind people that messages on the lists didn't necessarily convey the official position of the Project, without doing something stupid like attaching boilerplate text to the end of each message. Suggestions for new text values are welcome -- but you will have to sell your proposal. -Chris -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
Chris Tyler wrote: Suggestions for new text values are welcome -- but you will have to sell your proposal. IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it. It just doesn't seem important enough nor terribly on-topic. With over 6,500 subscribers and a high number of messages per day, keeping the list focused on helping folks better use Fedora is more important that debating the minutiae of list settings, which has a very high potential for bikeshedding. :) I believe the original message should have been directed to the list owner address, as with all other such administrivia messages. But that's just my opinion. -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp ~~ If you haven't got anything nice to say about anybody, come sit next to me. -- Alice Roosevelt Longworth (1884-1980) pgpbGGZ7v65YV.pgp Description: PGP signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it. My 2c: The Fedora users list poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On 12/30/2009 12:25 PM, Chris Tyler wrote: Suggestions for new text values are welcome -- but you will have to sell your proposal. -Chris I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
2009/12/30 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com: On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it. My 2c: The Fedora users list My 2p Fedora Users us...@lists.fedoraproject.org -- Sam -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On 12/30/2009 06:27 PM, Mail Lists wrote: I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users Or perhaps: Fedora General -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
Sam Sharpe wrote: 2009/12/30 Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.com: On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it. My 2c: The Fedora users list My 2p Fedora Users us...@lists.fedoraproject.org I'm not a Fedora User. I only keep a F12 virtual machine to investigate questions that interest me. Does that disqualify me from posting? :-) -- Ninety percent of everything is crap. -- Theodore Sturgeon Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
Mail Lists wrote: On 12/30/2009 06:27 PM, Mail Lists wrote: I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users Or perhaps: Fedora General Too non-specific . :-) -- Hello. Just walk along and try NOT to think about your INTESTINES being almost FORTY YARDS LONG!! Guess Who! http://tinyurl.com/mc4xe7 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
Hi; On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 22:51 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 13:20 -0500, Todd Zullinger wrote: IMO, the current description should be changed, but I'd prefer to not see a lengthy debate on the list about it. My 2c: The Fedora users list Geez Patrick, would I still be able to get community assistance, encouragement and advice for using Fedora? I would particularly miss the encouragement. -- Regards Bill Fedora 12, Gnome 2.28 Evo.2.28, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On 12/30/2009 07:36 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Mail Lists wrote: On 12/30/2009 06:27 PM, Mail Lists wrote: I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users Or perhaps: Fedora General Too non-specific . :-) Ok how about : Fedora Specifically General :-) -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
I'm not a Fedora User. I only keep a F12 virtual machine to investigate questions that interest me. Does that disqualify me from posting? :-) -- No sir! You shall not be disqualified! :) You are subscribed to the list and therefore you should be allowed to post :) And by the way, even if you run Fedora virtually, you are still running Fedora :) Happy New Year! Regards, Antonio -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On 09-12-30 18:27:53, Mail Lists wrote: On 12/30/2009 12:25 PM, Chris Tyler wrote: Suggestions for new text values are welcome -- but you will have to sell your proposal. I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users Too terse to guide new signups away from the developers' list. The currentname is wordy and wraps too often. Community assistance for using Fedora. -- TonyN.:' mailto:tonynel...@georgeanelson.com ' http://www.georgeanelson.com/ -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
Hi; On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 21:54 -0500, Tony Nelson wrote: On 09-12-30 18:27:53, Mail Lists wrote: On 12/30/2009 12:25 PM, Chris Tyler wrote: Suggestions for new text values are welcome -- but you will have to sell your proposal. I'd suggest something like: Fedora Users Too terse to guide new signups away from the developers' list. The currentname is wordy and wraps too often. Community assistance for using Fedora. Then change the name of the developers' list. Only for developers working on Fedora -- Regards Bill Fedora 12, Gnome 2.28 Evo.2.28, Emacs 23.1.1 -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:49:30 -0500 Mail Lists wrote: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. They just spent years building a giant committee that changed the name from something concise to this new and improved description. The only way you could get it changed again is with an ever bigger new committee that would doubtless come up with an even more gigantic description :-). -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 9:49 AM, Mail Lists li...@sapience.com wrote: Suggestion: May I suggest as we move to the new mailling list server, that we please change the name(s) from the current long (and goofy) one(s) such as: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. to something more concise ? thanks. ___ There was a discussion a while back as to how to describe list. The result is what you see today. The idea is that the list name/description would clarify expectations to everyone arriving here. In short it says: this is what the fedora user list is for. ~af -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On Tuesday 29 December 2009, Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 12:49:30 -0500 Mail Lists wrote: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. They just spent years building a giant committee that changed the name from something concise to this new and improved description. The only way you could get it changed again is with an ever bigger new committee that would doubtless come up with an even more gigantic description :-). You got it precisely Tom, I'm ROTFLMAO! -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) Plastic... Aluminum... These are the inheritors of the Universe! Flesh and Blood have had their day... and that day is past! -- Green Lantern Comics -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
Quoting Mail Lists li...@sapience.com: Suggestion: May I suggest as we move to the new mailling list server, that we please change the name(s) from the current long (and goofy) one(s) such as: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. to something more concise ? thanks. I dunno, I don't have to retype this so as long as it makes sense I not only have no objection but I think the explicitness makes it desirable for the many list subscribers who do not have English as their first language. Dave -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines -- It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. Krishnamurti -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
Dave Stevens wrote: Quoting Mail Lists li...@sapience.com: Suggestion: May I suggest as we move to the new mailling list server, that we please change the name(s) from the current long (and goofy) one(s) such as: Community assistance, encouragement, and advice for using Fedora. to something more concise ? thanks. I dunno, I don't have to retype this so as long as it makes sense I not only have no objection but I think the explicitness makes it desirable for the many list subscribers who do not have English as their first language. While I have no objection to the current name I just thought I'd mention that your explanation doesn't wash. At least not when it comes to my wife, whose first language is Mandarin. :-) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Name of fedora lists - you're kidding right?
On Tue, 2009-12-29 at 11:10 -0800, Aldo Foot wrote: There was a discussion a while back as to how to describe list. The result is what you see today. The idea is that the list name/description would clarify expectations to everyone arriving here. In short it says: this is what the fedora user list is for. That may well be, but it's the wrong place to put a *description*. And certainly not where any newcomer is going to see it. -- [...@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
