Re: Where is Kdict?
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 05:36 +, g wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: does. No offence, but I'm surprised that someone who's been using Shells as far back as Cromix doesn't realize this, as it's absolutely fundamental to understanding how the Shell works. no offense taken. simply a matter of thinking about yum, not shell and passing of arguments. [not us, but what is passed to a program] rest assured, it will not be forgotten again. but badgering a point is a lacking. No badgering going on here. Your previous post showed that you hadn't really understood the point of my comment, so I elaborated. Badgering would be trying to get you to change your mind on a matter of opinion, which is not the case. continue if you wish. or make this into another gnu/linux. Certainly not. i will maintain myself above it. Me too. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
accepted. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is Kdict? I have tried # yum search kdict [...] Warning: No matches found for: kdict No Matches found # Any ideas? Try # yum whatprovides \*kdict Thanks, Mamoru (and John), but nothing relevant is returned with the above command. It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Paul Smith wrote: snip It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? you have something wrong some where. i tried it to see what would happen and it did work. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
g wrote: Paul Smith wrote: snip It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? you have something wrong some where. i tried it to see what would happen and it did work. after thought. not sure if i used '\*kdict' or '*kdict'. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:20 PM, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? you have something wrong some where. i tried it to see what would happen and it did work. Then, please tell me which package contains kdict. Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Paul Smith wrote: snip Then, please tell me which package contains kdict. wish i could. i did not save output. will try it again and save output this time. [will be in about an hour before i can get to it] as i said in 'after thought', maybe you should try without '\'. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Monday 21 July 2008 15:21, Paul Smith wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:20 PM, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? you have something wrong some where. i tried it to see what would happen and it did work. Then, please tell me which package contains kdict. Paul kdenetwork for KDE 3.5 Nigel. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Paul Smith wrote, at 07/21/2008 09:58 PM +9:00: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is Kdict? I have tried # yum search kdict [...] Warning: No matches found for: kdict No Matches found # Any ideas? Try # yum whatprovides \*kdict Thanks, Mamoru (and John), but nothing relevant is returned with the above command. # means you have to do this as root Mamoru -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
g wrote: snip Then, please tell me which package contains kdict. wish i could. i did not save output. will try it again and save output this time. [will be in about an hour before i can get to it] as i said in 'after thought', maybe you should try without '\'. back sooner than thought... [EMAIL PROTECTED] geo-sl]# yum whatprovides \*kdict Loading filter-data plugin Loading basearchonly plugin Loading kernel-module plugin Loading protect-packages plugin Loading merge-conf plugin Loading upgrade-helper plugin Loading protectbase plugin Loading aliases plugin Loading skip-broken plugin Loading list-data plugin Loading tsflags plugin Loading downloadonly plugin Loading changelog plugin Loading refresh-updatesd plugin Loading allowdowngrade plugin Loading priorities plugin Loading fastestmirror plugin Loading kmod plugin Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * epel: mirror.hiwaay.net * sl-security: ftp.scientificlinux.org * sl-base: ftp.scientificlinux.org 0 packages excluded due to repository protections 62 packages excluded due to repository priority protections crack.i386 : Password cracker kde-i18n-Brazil.noarch : Brazil Portuguese language support for KDE kde-i18n-German.noarch : German language support for KDE kde-i18n-Danish.noarch : Danish language support for KDE kde-i18n-Russian.noarch : Russian language support for KDE kde-i18n-Spanish.noarch : Spanish language support for KDE kde-i18n-Estonian.noarch : Estonian language support for KDE cracklib-dicts.i386 : The standard CrackLib dictionaries. kde-i18n-Portuguese.noarch : Portuguese language support for KDE kdenetwork.i386 : K Desktop Environment - Network Applications kde-i18n-Swedish.noarch : Swedish language support for KDE kde-i18n-French.noarch : French language support for KDE kdenetwork.i386 : K Desktop Environment - Network Applications cracklib-dicts.i386 : The standard CrackLib dictionaries. [EMAIL PROTECTED] geo-sl]# and, [EMAIL PROTECTED] geo-sl]# yum whatprovides *kdict Loading filter-data plugin Loading basearchonly plugin Loading kernel-module plugin Loading protect-packages plugin Loading merge-conf plugin Loading upgrade-helper plugin Loading protectbase plugin Loading aliases plugin Loading skip-broken plugin Loading list-data plugin Loading tsflags plugin Loading downloadonly plugin Loading changelog plugin Loading refresh-updatesd plugin Loading allowdowngrade plugin Loading priorities plugin Loading fastestmirror plugin Loading kmod plugin Loading mirror speeds from cached hostfile * epel: mirror.hiwaay.net * sl-security: ftp.scientificlinux.org * sl-base: ftp.scientificlinux.org 0 packages excluded due to repository protections 62 packages excluded due to repository priority protections crack.i386 : Password cracker kde-i18n-Brazil.noarch : Brazil Portuguese language support for KDE kde-i18n-German.noarch : German language support for KDE kde-i18n-Danish.noarch : Danish language support for KDE kde-i18n-Russian.noarch : Russian language support for KDE kde-i18n-Spanish.noarch : Spanish language support for KDE kde-i18n-Estonian.noarch : Estonian language support for KDE cracklib-dicts.i386 : The standard CrackLib dictionaries. kde-i18n-Portuguese.noarch : Portuguese language support for KDE kdenetwork.i386 : K Desktop Environment - Network Applications kde-i18n-Swedish.noarch : Swedish language support for KDE kde-i18n-French.noarch : French language support for KDE kdenetwork.i386 : K Desktop Environment - Network Applications cracklib-dicts.i386 : The standard CrackLib dictionaries. [EMAIL PROTECTED] geo-sl]# also note, this is under scientificlinux 5.4, using kde 3.5.4-16.el5, so it may be missing in f9. i did note on kde list, that anne w. is inquiring about kde 4. maybe someone with f9 can reply... -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 13:28 +, g wrote: Paul Smith wrote: snip Then, please tell me which package contains kdict. wish i could. i did not save output. will try it again and save output this time. [will be in about an hour before i can get to it] as i said in 'after thought', maybe you should try without '\'. Leaving out the '\' will cause the Shell to expand the '*' in the context of the current directory, which is almost certainly *not* what you want. Use the '\', Luke :-) poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 23:06 +0900, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: Paul Smith wrote, at 07/21/2008 09:58 PM +9:00: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is Kdict? I have tried # yum search kdict [...] Warning: No matches found for: kdict No Matches found # Any ideas? Try # yum whatprovides \*kdict Thanks, Mamoru (and John), but nothing relevant is returned with the above command. # means you have to do this as root In this case it doesn't matter. 'yum' will resolve 'whatprovides' without special privileges. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:58 PM, Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday 21 July 2008 15:21, Paul Smith wrote: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 2:20 PM, g [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? you have something wrong some where. i tried it to see what would happen and it did work. Then, please tell me which package contains kdict. Paul kdenetwork for KDE 3.5 Thanks, but where for KDE 4, as it is on F9? Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Paul Smith wrote: It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? Didn't survive kde3-kde4 transition (most likely due to no active upstream maintainer) In fedora8/kde3, kdict was in kdenetwork-extras -- Rex -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote, at 07/22/2008 12:45 AM +9:00: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 23:06 +0900, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: Paul Smith wrote, at 07/21/2008 09:58 PM +9:00: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is Kdict? I have tried # yum search kdict [...] Warning: No matches found for: kdict No Matches found # Any ideas? Try # yum whatprovides \*kdict Thanks, Mamoru (and John), but nothing relevant is returned with the above command. # means you have to do this as root In this case it doesn't matter. 'yum' will resolve 'whatprovides' without special privileges. poc You have to download yum repository metadata beforehand so executing this as root is mandatory. You can try what happens if you execute rm -rf /var/cache/yum/* beforehand. Mamoru -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:54 PM, Rex Dieter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems that kdict is no longer available on Fedora. Does somebody know why? Didn't survive kde3-kde4 transition (most likely due to no active upstream maintainer) In fedora8/kde3, kdict was in kdenetwork-extras That is a pity that there is no kdict for F9. Fortunately, gnome-dictionary is available. Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Leaving out the '\' will cause the Shell to expand the '*' in the context of the current directory, which is almost certainly *not* what you want. as i would have thought. until i tried without. Use the '\', Luke :-) luke knows better. check my appending post. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 00:56 +0900, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote, at 07/22/2008 12:45 AM +9:00: On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 23:06 +0900, Mamoru Tasaka wrote: Paul Smith wrote, at 07/21/2008 09:58 PM +9:00: On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 3:40 AM, Mamoru Tasaka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Where is Kdict? I have tried # yum search kdict [...] Warning: No matches found for: kdict No Matches found # Any ideas? Try # yum whatprovides \*kdict Thanks, Mamoru (and John), but nothing relevant is returned with the above command. # means you have to do this as root In this case it doesn't matter. 'yum' will resolve 'whatprovides' without special privileges. poc You have to download yum repository metadata beforehand so executing this as root is mandatory. We're both right. It's mandatory if the metadata is out of date. If you've recently done an update then it works. You can try what happens if you execute rm -rf /var/cache/yum/* beforehand. Yes, I know that. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 16:08 +, g wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Leaving out the '\' will cause the Shell to expand the '*' in the context of the current directory, which is almost certainly *not* what you want. as i would have thought. until i tried without. Well, to be precise: if *kdict does not match anything in the current directory, then the Shell will pass *kdict as the argument to yum, which is exactly what happens when you use \*kdict. OTOH if *kdict does match something, then that's what gets passed as one or more arguments to yum. That's rarely what you want. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Well, to be precise: if *kdict does not match anything in the current directory, then the Shell will pass *kdict as the argument to yum, which is exactly what happens when you use \*kdict. OTOH if *kdict does match something, then that's what gets passed as one or more arguments to yum. That's rarely what you want. have a look at my 'captures'. only diff i can see is that 1st has '\', 2nd does not. all of rest looks same to me. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ ll kdi* -rw-rw-r-- 1 geo geo 1675 Jul 21 17:12 kdisc1 -rw-rw-r-- 1 geo geo 1674 Jul 21 17:06 kdisc2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ diff kdisc1 kdisc2 1c1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] geo-sl]# yum whatprovides \*kdict --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] geo-sl]# yum whatprovides *kdict [EMAIL PROTECTED] Desktop]$ and 'diff' concurs. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 17:21 +, g wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Well, to be precise: if *kdict does not match anything in the current directory, then the Shell will pass *kdict as the argument to yum, which is exactly what happens when you use \*kdict. OTOH if *kdict does match something, then that's what gets passed as one or more arguments to yum. That's rarely what you want. have a look at my 'captures'. only diff i can see is that 1st has '\', 2nd does not. all of rest looks same to me. If you have no file matching *kdict in your current directory, then of course they're the same. That's what I'm saying. All of this has nothing to do with yum or kdict of course. It's just basic Shell semantics. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip If you have no file matching *kdict in your current directory, then of course they're the same. That's what I'm saying. All of this has nothing to do with yum or kdict of course. It's just basic Shell semantics. ok. i can/will accept this. yum matching 1st to current directory is something i was not aware of. thinking about what you wrote before between then and now, i am at a better understanding of your reasoning in using '\'. again, i thank you for your enlightenment. as i said elsewhere, i do hope to continue to be a 'newbie' and hope to never have linux become 'dull and boring'. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Try info bash to read up on the bash Shell, i bees up on bash. i used it in cromix and later in unix. i just was not aware that yum started out with current directory. i was stuck in mandrake/driva when i could not get f4 to load and never needed to use other what was gui with md. now that i am back under fedora, i am a 'newbie' again and have more learning. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 01:09 +, g wrote: i just was not aware that yum started out with current directory. It's not *yum* doing that, it's your command line interpreter. Everything typed into it is a communicating with *it*. When you type yum then type more stuff after it, is the CLI that's handling this. It's not until it sends the whole command line away to the progam that the other other program does something with it. The CLI has already done what it wants to do with the wildcard, before that. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Tim wrote: On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 01:09 +, g wrote: i just was not aware that yum started out with current directory. It's not *yum* doing that, it's your command line interpreter. right you are. after learning 25+ yrs ago, i do admit to having forgotten a few things. thanks for refresher. ;o) -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 01:09 +, g wrote: Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: snip Try info bash to read up on the bash Shell, i bees up on bash. i used it in cromix and later in unix. i just was not aware that yum started out with current directory. Yet again: this has nothing to do with yum! Exactly the same thing happens with every single command you execute under a Shell. It doesn't matter if yum looks at the current directory or not, because the Shell does. No offence, but I'm surprised that someone who's been using Shells as far back as Cromix doesn't realize this, as it's absolutely fundamental to understanding how the Shell works. poc -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
On Tue, 2008-07-22 at 00:28 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I'm surprised that someone who's been using Shells as far back as Cromix doesn't realize this, as it's absolutely fundamental to understanding how the Shell works. I'm surprised that an experienced user would make that mistake, too. But I can see newcomers getting surprised the first time they put a wildcard in what they think are parameters/arguments to a command. The CLI doesn't know that, though. It does what it does with wildcards and filename completation, anywhere on the command line (tries to expand them). Just play around with hitting tab. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ uname -r 2.6.25.10-86.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the mailbox is ignored. I read messages from the public lists. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: does. No offence, but I'm surprised that someone who's been using Shells as far back as Cromix doesn't realize this, as it's absolutely fundamental to understanding how the Shell works. no offense taken. simply a matter of thinking about yum, not shell and passing of arguments. [not us, but what is passed to a program] rest assured, it will not be forgotten again. but badgering a point is a lacking. continue if you wish. or make this into another gnu/linux. i will maintain myself above it. -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Where is Kdict?
Dear All, Where is Kdict? I have tried # yum search kdict [...] Warning: No matches found for: kdict No Matches found # Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Paul -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Paul Smith wrote: Dear All, Where is Kdict? I have tried # yum search kdict [...] Warning: No matches found for: kdict No Matches found # Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Paul Try http://digsys.linuxberg.com/preview/44081.html and click on the X11 download link. John Cornelius -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Where is Kdict?
Paul Smith wrote, at 07/21/2008 02:26 AM +9:00: Dear All, Where is Kdict? I have tried # yum search kdict [...] Warning: No matches found for: kdict No Matches found # Any ideas? Thanks in advance, Paul Try # yum whatprovides \*kdict Regards, Mamoru -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
