Re: Feature proposal: Extended Life Cycle Support
On Sun, 2009-07-05 at 22:13 +0100, Christopher Brown wrote: 2009/7/4 Jeroen van Meeuwen kana...@kanarip.com: I wanted to draw your attention to a feature I've proposed for Fedora 12, mysteriously called Extended Life Cycle. You can find more details at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/Extended_Life_Cycle Perhaps a way to do this would be to identify what the latest and greatest is that users want and make _that_ run on Centos. Here's my list: OO.org Firefox Thunderbird Evolution with MAPI connector GNOME-RDP Amarok There is a fast track channel for RHEL5 that is supposed to provide early updates of at least some apps. I can only see MAPI being a problem requiring some Samba 4 stuff. Much worse than that. The MAPI evo is 2.26, but RHEL5's is 2.16. You'd have to upgrade the entire GNOME infrastructure to support the MAPI stuff. From the discussions I've read, back-porting MAPI support is not practical. Honestly, I'm impressed by your persistence but I think simply trying to re-instate Fedora Legacy (which it sounds like this is what you are trying to do) is doomed to permanent failure. Regards -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Sage in F11
On Sun, 2009-07-19 at 14:19 -0700, Conrad Meyer wrote:
On Sunday 19 July 2009 02:05:44 pm Matthew Saltzman wrote:
Sorry to bother the -devel list with this, but nobody on fedora-list
responded to my question, and I know there is some effort to package
Sage for Fedora. I hope one of those packagers can help me out.
I've installed sage-4.1 on F11 using the F10 binary installation
tarball. But when I run sage, it fails with the following error:
[...]
/usr/local/sage-4.1-linux-Fedora_release_10_Cambridge-x86_64-Linux/local/l
ib/python/hashlib.py, line 63, in __get_builtin_constructor import _md5
ImportError: No module named _md5
I assume I'm missing a dependency, but what is it? Or is there something
else going on?
Sage worked fine in F10. This error occurred also with sage-4.0.2 in F11.
TIA.
$ rpm -qf /usr/lib64/python2.6/lib-dynload/_md5module.so
python-2.6-9.fc11.x86_64
I'm guessing the version of python shipped with Sage is missing the native
md5
module (which is in %{_libdir}/python2.6/lib-dynload/_md5module.so on F-11).
Rebuilding from source in F11 seems to have mitigated the problem.
You're right, though. There is no _md5module in the Sage Python libs.
Thanks.
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AucTeX dependencies and TeXLive 2009
Here's what happens when I try to install AucTeX for Emacs with texlive-2009: $ sudo yum install emacs-auctex Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Excluding Packages from RPM Fusion for Fedora 11 - Nonfree Finished Excluding Packages from RPM Fusion for Fedora 11 - Nonfree - Updates Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora 11 - x86_64 - Updates Finished Setting up Install Process Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package emacs-auctex.noarch 0:11.85-8.fc11 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: tex-preview = 11.85-8.fc11 for package: emacs-auctex-11.85-8.fc11.noarch -- Processing Dependency: dvipng for package: emacs-auctex-11.85-8.fc11.noarch -- Running transaction check --- Package dvipng.x86_64 0:1.11-2.fc11 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: libkpathsea.so.4()(64bit) for package: dvipng-1.11-2.fc11.x86_64 --- Package tex-preview.noarch 0:11.85-8.fc11 set to be updated -- Running transaction check --- Package kpathsea.x86_64 0:2007-42.fc11 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: texlive = 2007-42.fc11 for package: kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 -- Finished Dependency Resolution kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 from fedora has depsolving problems -- Missing Dependency: texlive = 2007-42.fc11 is needed by package kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 (fedora) Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2007-42.fc11 is needed by package kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 (fedora) You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: package-cleanup --problems package-cleanup --dupes rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest I have texlive-dvipng, texlive-kpathsea, and texlive-preview installed. Should I file a bug someplace? Thanks. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: AucTeX dependencies and TeXLive 2009
On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 13:01 +0200, Jindrich Novy wrote: On Sun, Aug 30, 2009 at 07:23:50PM -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: Here's what happens when I try to install AucTeX for Emacs with texlive-2009: $ sudo yum install emacs-auctex Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Excluding Packages from RPM Fusion for Fedora 11 - Nonfree Finished Excluding Packages from RPM Fusion for Fedora 11 - Nonfree - Updates Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora 11 - x86_64 - Updates Finished Setting up Install Process Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package emacs-auctex.noarch 0:11.85-8.fc11 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: tex-preview = 11.85-8.fc11 for package: emacs-auctex-11.85-8.fc11.noarch -- Processing Dependency: dvipng for package: emacs-auctex-11.85-8.fc11.noarch -- Running transaction check --- Package dvipng.x86_64 0:1.11-2.fc11 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: libkpathsea.so.4()(64bit) for package: dvipng-1.11-2.fc11.x86_64 --- Package tex-preview.noarch 0:11.85-8.fc11 set to be updated -- Running transaction check --- Package kpathsea.x86_64 0:2007-42.fc11 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: texlive = 2007-42.fc11 for package: kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 -- Finished Dependency Resolution kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 from fedora has depsolving problems -- Missing Dependency: texlive = 2007-42.fc11 is needed by package kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 (fedora) Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2007-42.fc11 is needed by package kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 (fedora) You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: package-cleanup --problems package-cleanup --dupes rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest I have texlive-dvipng, texlive-kpathsea, and texlive-preview installed. Should I file a bug someplace? Hmmm, it looks like a problem in how yum resolves obsoletes/provides. I will get exactly this when I try to install emacs-auctex, but if I do: yum install dvipng -y then texlive-dvipng and texlive-dvipng-bin get successfully installed. Then installation of emacs-auctex runs without problems. So it seems like yum has a hard time to resolve both installation of emacs-auctex and obsoletion of dvipng in one transaction even though emacs-auctex contains unversioned Requires: to dvipng and texlive-dvipng should successfully obsolete it. I'm not seeing the install without problems behavior, unfortunately. The messages above come from after installing texlive-dvipng*. After latest updates: [...@yankee ~]$ sudo yum install emacs-auctex Loaded plugins: refresh-packagekit Excluding Packages from RPM Fusion for Fedora 11 - Nonfree Finished Excluding Packages from RPM Fusion for Fedora 11 - Nonfree - Updates Finished Excluding Packages from Fedora 11 - x86_64 - Updates Finished Setting up Install Process Resolving Dependencies -- Running transaction check --- Package emacs-auctex.noarch 0:11.85-8.fc11 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: tex-preview = 11.85-8.fc11 for package: emacs-auctex-11.85-8.fc11.noarch -- Processing Dependency: dvipng for package: emacs-auctex-11.85-8.fc11.noarch -- Running transaction check --- Package dvipng.x86_64 0:1.11-2.fc11 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: libkpathsea.so.4()(64bit) for package: dvipng-1.11-2.fc11.x86_64 --- Package tex-preview.noarch 0:11.85-8.fc11 set to be updated -- Running transaction check --- Package kpathsea.x86_64 0:2007-42.fc11 set to be updated -- Processing Dependency: texlive = 2007-42.fc11 for package: kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 -- Finished Dependency Resolution kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 from fedora has depsolving problems -- Missing Dependency: texlive = 2007-42.fc11 is needed by package kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 (fedora) Error: Missing Dependency: texlive = 2007-42.fc11 is needed by package kpathsea-2007-42.fc11.x86_64 (fedora) You could try using --skip-broken to work around the problem You could try running: package-cleanup --problems package-cleanup --dupes rpm -Va --nofiles --nodigest [...@yankee ~]$ rpm -qa \*dvipng\* texlive-dvipng-2009-1.12.13822.fc11.noarch texlive-dvipng-bin-2009-14697.fc11.x86_64 [...@yankee ~]$ rpm -qa \*kpathsea\* texlive-kpathsea-2009-14773.fc11.noarch texlive-kpathsea-lib-2009-0.3.20090828.fc11.x86_64
Re: AucTeX dependencies and TeXLive 2009
On Tue, 2009-09-01 at 18:50 +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: 2009/9/1 Jonathan Underwood jonathan.underw...@gmail.com: Is that intentional? Seems emacs-auctex requires 11.85, while your package provides 11.84. AucTeX is the upstream for the preview tex package - so this is another case where we need to decide whether to go with upstream or the texlive version. In this case, I think we have to go with the upstream (AucTeX) one as each Auctex release is tested against the bundled preview class. Actually, there is an option to install the AucTeX bundled preview privately for auctex. so both versions could co-exist, if we wanted to do that (although that's not my recommendation). Meanwhile, is there a workaround? I can install the right tex-preview alongside texlive-preview, but still can't install the old dvipng and kpathsea to get emacs-auctex. That kpathsea wants texlive-2007. Thanks. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
TeXLive 2009 texconfig
texconfig from TeXLive 2009 in F11 hangs when I attempt to set the dvips default paper type. The hang occurs when I run texconfig as a user and texconfig or texconfig-sys as root. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: TeXLive 2009 texconfig
On Wed, 2009-09-09 at 08:38 +0100, José Matos wrote: On Wednesday 09 September 2009 Matthew Saltzman wrote: texconfig from TeXLive 2009 in F11 hangs when I attempt to set the dvips default paper type. The hang occurs when I run texconfig as a user and texconfig or texconfig-sys as root. It works for me on either scenario (F11/texlive-2009/i586). Mine's x86_64. Maybe that makes a difference? PS Sorry about the occasional dupes. Damn evolution-exchange... -- Matthew Saltzman -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: TeXLive 2009 texconfig
On Thu, 2009-09-10 at 05:27 +0200, Jindrich Novy wrote: On Tue, Sep 08, 2009 at 08:42:59PM -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: texconfig from TeXLive 2009 in F11 hangs when I attempt to set the dvips default paper type. The hang occurs when I run texconfig as a user and texconfig or texconfig-sys as root. Works for me as well on x86_64/scheme-full. Could you please attach strace output to 488651? Done. Thanks, Jindrich -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
More broken deps for F11 texlive-2009
Latest F11 texlive-2009 update complains about dependencies of the new packages (which have .fc12 version suffixes!) on libpoppler.so.5()(64bit). -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-devel-list mailing list fedora-devel-list@redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-list
Re: Weirdness with Fedora/XP upgrade
On Mon, 2008-05-26 at 21:25 +, Beartooth wrote: On Mon, 26 May 2008 13:36:37 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: [...] Vesa driver? I've seen the word during boot-ups on at least one machine; but since it means nothing to me, I don't even recall which machine. I'll be glad to try that or anything else I can; how do I do it? I believe you can do this: When you see the GRUB splash screen on boot, press a key. Did that -- and nothing happened. The machine was still where it had been, saying it had started the network manager. I hit Ctrl-Alt-Delete, and it went down as far as sending the TERM signal -- and then sat there, without doing anything I could see, but with the machine's light still on. I hit the reset button. It went as far as the grub menu, and I hit a key. That left it with its F9 line highlighted. I hit e -- and nothing happened. In fact, it didn't respond to anything on the keyboard -- the first time I've ever seen grub do that. I hit the reset button again, and this time it let me tell it to edit both times. Then it froze again. Select the top kernel line of the options offered and type 'e', select the kernel line and type 'e'. Append 'video=vesa' at the end of the line. Type [Enter], type 'b'. I hit the reset button yet again, and did all the above hastily (but, I hope and believe, accurately) -- getting it all in ahead of another freeze. Then X should detect your video card as vesa, which is the most generic sort of interface. It booted, but only into another login line, white on black; I logged in -- and it gave me my prompt, along with a line saying Can't open display. If the machine boots, you can boot in runlevel 3 (edit the kernel line in GRUB as above, but instead of video=vesa add 3. Then you'll get a virtual console to log into. Then (as root) run system-config-display --reconfig and see if that helps. It tried some sort of traceback, said something cryptic about /usr/share/system-config-display/xconf.py, and (apparently) tried to import something from somewhere. Then it said ImportError: No module named ibmasm and gave me my root prompt back. Meanwhile, back at the ranch, the scp -r that I was running quit with the message scp: error: unexpected filename: .. lost connection So there must be some stuff I didn't get; I don't know what, but I got vast amounts -- enough to run my df up, despite deleting hand over fist, from its original 50% to 78%. (Baobab, which sees only a 35.2 GB drive, makes it 72.8%. I'm pretty sure this machine has a nominal 40 GB drive; I thought the #1 machine had two -- 40 GB for Fedora and 40 GB for XP, just because the one thing I do on it is GPS-compatible topo maps, which are apt to be graphic-intensive and to grow hugely -- but it may be 80 and 80.) The actual numbers on machine #2 are [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ df Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/mapper/VolGroup00-LogVol00 36693560 26814088 7985484 78% / /dev/sda1 194442 18754165649 11% /boot tmpfs 50110848501060 1% /dev/shm The corresponding top line numbers from df on #1 are 73545144 30178956 39570016 Since I haven't even tried to salvage anything from anywhere but my user's home directory, it looks to me like I have very nearly all of it. (I don't keep financial or otherwise critical files on any computer.) Bottom line: I'll gladly keep this up so long as you, Patrick O'Callaghan in the X thread, or any other clearly knowledgeable person here thinks it worth while. Hey, we might uncover the anaconda bug! But if the worse comes to the worst, I'm confident I can now live with the results of wiping the hard drive and re-installing F8 from scratch. As in your other thread, I'm inclined to suggest going ahead and doing that. I don't actually have a Fedora9 machine handy to make sure every step works exactly the way I suggested. Enough X stuff has changed from F8 to F9 that I don't know if I'm a reliable source of advice (if the above didn't help) until I can get an F9 machine up to try. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora 9 + Network Manager = Wireless NOT Connecting
On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 23:00 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2008-05-28 at 21:31 -0400, Marc Ferguson wrote: Hi, The PATH variable seems to already have a value in it: PATH=$PATH:$HOME/bin I should hope so. $PATH is where the Shell looks for commands to execute. It's a list of directories to look in. lspci and friends are in /sbin (or sometimes in /usr/sbin). /sbin/lspci etc. will run them. Or do this in .bash_profile: PATH=/sbin:/usr/sbin:$PATH Better is PATH=$PATH:/sbin:/usr/sbin There are some programs with the same name in both /bin and /sbin and /usr/bin and /usr/sbin that behave differently. If you are a regular user, you want the /bin and /usr/bin ones, not the /sbin and /usr/sbim ones. poc -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - DPMS not working
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:29 +0100, John Horne wrote: Hello, Using F9, with KDE 4.0.4 desktop, my LCD display never seems to enter power-saving mode. I have a screensaver configured to kick in after 5 mins, and that works fine. The Xorg log file shows that DPMS is enabled, as does 'xset -q'. Running 'xset dpms force off' (or standy/suspend) and the screen turns off, so it can do it. I have left the system for nearly an hour, but the monitor is still on. This occurred under the vesa driver, but I have today installed the latest Nvidia drivers and the problem still exists. F8, using the same hardware, had no such problem. Any ideas, suggestions? Generate some traffic here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351661 and let's see if we can't get some action on the vesa driver. If you can, update the version to 9, otherwise, include the fact that it is F9 in your comment. Team Fedora won't help with the nVidia driver issue. For that, check out the nVidia fora. Thanks, John. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 - DPMS not working
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 22:56 +0100, John Horne wrote: On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:30 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:29 +0100, John Horne wrote: Hello, Using F9, with KDE 4.0.4 desktop, my LCD display never seems to enter power-saving mode. I have a screensaver configured to kick in after 5 mins, and that works fine. The Xorg log file shows that DPMS is enabled, as does 'xset -q'. Running 'xset dpms force off' (or standy/suspend) and the screen turns off, so it can do it. I have left the system for nearly an hour, but the monitor is still on. This occurred under the vesa driver, but I have today installed the latest Nvidia drivers and the problem still exists. F8, using the same hardware, had no such problem. Any ideas, suggestions? Generate some traffic here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=351661 and let's see if we can't get some action on the vesa driver. If you can, update the version to 9, otherwise, include the fact that it is F9 in your comment. Not sure that will help. Now that I have installed the nvidia stuff, if I run vesa again it reports as coming from nvidia, not from the Fedora supplied one. I suspect the Fedora people will not accept that. Nope. But you can remove the nvidia stuff (I think by running nvidia-installer, if you didn't install the Livna packages) and set up the vesa driver again. John. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: livna nvidia at last!
On Thu, 2008-05-29 at 18:44 -0500, Erich Zigler wrote: Now if only the nv driver would work on my system long enough to just do the install I would be really happy. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=439609 Unfortunately the text based installer doesn't allow you to pick and choose your packages or I would use it. You should be able to use the vesa driver. I think you enter linux vesa on the prompt line when you boot the installer. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Evolution Exchange breakage
Suddenly, Evolution has stopped working with the exchange connector. Whenever I try to read a folder, I get a pop-up with Error while Refreshing folder (or Error while opening folder ...) Lost connection to Evolution Exchange backend process Sometimes I get a folder doesn't exist message. Calendars seem to be OK. I tried using the previous kernel, and I tried backing out the latest Evolution update, downgrading to evolution-2.12.3-4.fc8.x86_64.rpm, but neither helps. Anybody else seeing this? Any suggestions? Thanks. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Evolution Exchange breakage
On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 22:25 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-06-07 at 18:01 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote: Suddenly, Evolution has stopped working with the exchange connector. Whenever I try to read a folder, I get a pop-up with Error while Refreshing folder (or Error while opening folder ...) Lost connection to Evolution Exchange backend process Sometimes I get a folder doesn't exist message. Calendars seem to be OK. I tried using the previous kernel, and I tried backing out the latest Evolution update, downgrading to evolution-2.12.3-4.fc8.x86_64.rpm, but neither helps. Anybody else seeing this? Any suggestions? My suggestion is to head over to the Evolution list, where a lot of the traffic in recent months has been about problems with Exchange That's probably my next stop, but I thought I'd check here first because it was working last week with F8 and fails now with F8, so I wondered if it was something that happened in F8. (to the annoyance of those of us who don't use it). I am truly sorry about that. I really wish there were an enterprise-class alternative that I could persuade my enterprise to adopt, but that's not going to happen any time soon (whether due to lack of alternative or lack of ability to steer my lumbering enterprise...). See http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-list Thanks. poc -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Evolution Exchange breakage [RESOLVED]
On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 19:49 +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: 2008/6/8 Jonathan Underwood [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Try: evolution --force shutdown Sorry, that should be evolution --force-shutdown cd ~/.evolution rm -rvf exchange cd ~/.evolution/mail rm -rvf exchange Yep, that appears to have taken care of it. Thanks! Takes a couple hours to get everything synchronized again, though... -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Evolution Exchange breakage [RESOLVED]
On Sun, 2008-06-08 at 23:51 +0100, Jonathan Underwood wrote: 2008/6/8 Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Takes a couple hours to get everything synchronized again, though... Really? Do you have a slow internet connection to the exchange server or a lot of mail or both? It takes a few seconds for me (couple of thousand mails only, though). Large mailboxes. Need to archive offline someday when I have too much time on my hands... -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: NetworkManager: how to select wireless interface
On Tue, 2008-06-10 at 00:53 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: Then you select the one you want and it will try to connect. If you've connected to one before (based on BSSID, IIRC), it will try to connect you to that one automatically. Otherwise, you get to choose. I know this is the theory, but it isn't like that for me. If NM is not working (5% of the time) no ESSID comes up; I have to Connect to Other Wireless Network and give the ESSID and encryption code. One couldn't say it doesn't do what it says, as NM doesn't tell you what it's meant to do. But it doesn't do for me what other people say it does for them, ie remember the last connection. It does sometimes take its sweet time about it, but most of the time, it eventually (between instantaneously and about 30 seconds or so) does attempt to connect. You're right, it's not perfect. But AFAICT it doesn't make a habit of randomly connecting to unknown networks. That's the safer fallback. One thing I've learned following the NM mailing list: wireless is not simple. BTW, the answer to the OP's question is to include NM_CONTROLLED=yes in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-device for interfaces NM should control and set it to 'no' for interfaces that should not be used. At least, that's how it is in F8. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I HATE Evolution ! Thunderbird ?
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 14:12 -0700, Craig White wrote: [...] still...for exchange server and evolution, I would recommend that you set up the Exchange connector instead of IMAP. Yes, as bad as the Exchange connector is, my recent experience without it convinced me that IMAP is ever so much worse. It would be nice to have real MAPI support, though, and not just this crappy OWA stuff. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Google Earth and nVidia [partly solved...]
On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 17:52 -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote: Your nvidia driver installation is broken. If you're using Livna's RPMs, then talk to them. OK so part of the problem was that I had files from the nVidia installer lying around from before there were Livna RPMs available for that 169.04 version. My card didn't work with any older versions, so I used the install script when it came out, because I didn't have a fully functional machine without those drivers. That's an object lesson in why it's not a good idea to mix the script installer and RPMs. I think I have that cleaned up now (though it's hard to tell for sure without a manifest of all the files installed by the script). But when I start the new googleearth as a normal user, I still don't see the globe or the controls. It works fine if I start it as root. The SEtroublesooter doesn't complain, either. Any idea what's up with that? Thanks. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just tried the latest GoogleEarth 4.3.7204.0836 (beta) with the latest kernel and nVidia drivers, and the result was: $ googleearth Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 173.14.05, but this NVIDIA driver component has version 169.04. Please make sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version. NVIDIA: Direct rendering failed; attempting indirect rendering. And the screen opens, but no earth or controls show. Anybody have any idea what's up with that? TIA. $ rpm -q kernel kernel-2.6.24.7-92.fc8.x86_64 kernel-2.6.25.4-10.fc8.x86_64 $ rpm -qa \*nvidia\* xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-173.14.05-1.lvn8.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-173.14.05-2.lvn8.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.4-10.fc8-173.14.05-2.lvn8.x86_64 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-173.14.05-1.lvn8.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-2.6.24.7-92.fc8-173.14.05-1.lvn8.x86_64 -- -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Google Earth and nVidia [SOLVED]
On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 21:30 -0400, Mike Williams wrote: 2008/6/12 Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: But when I start the new googleearth as a normal user, I still don't see the globe or the controls. It works fine if I start it as root. The SEtroublesooter doesn't complain, either. Any idea what's up with that? Try deleting .config/Google and .googleearth directories from your home directory. That got it. Thanks! Mike -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Google Earth and nVidia [SOLVED]
On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 21:24 -0700, Les wrote: Just a guess here, but check where google earth is installed and in the temp directory to see if any files were created as root. Temp or rc or init files being set to root will often keep user applications from starting in linux and unix systems (one more reason using root to run applications is not a good idea.) Well, my ~/.conf/Google was owned by root. Deleting it and ~/.googleearth solved the problem. Thanks. Regards, Les H On Thu, 2008-06-12 at 18:36 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Wed, 2008-06-11 at 17:52 -0700, Lonni J Friedman wrote: Your nvidia driver installation is broken. If you're using Livna's RPMs, then talk to them. OK so part of the problem was that I had files from the nVidia installer lying around from before there were Livna RPMs available for that 169.04 version. My card didn't work with any older versions, so I used the install script when it came out, because I didn't have a fully functional machine without those drivers. That's an object lesson in why it's not a good idea to mix the script installer and RPMs. I think I have that cleaned up now (though it's hard to tell for sure without a manifest of all the files installed by the script). But when I start the new googleearth as a normal user, I still don't see the globe or the controls. It works fine if I start it as root. The SEtroublesooter doesn't complain, either. Any idea what's up with that? Thanks. On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just tried the latest GoogleEarth 4.3.7204.0836 (beta) with the latest kernel and nVidia drivers, and the result was: $ googleearth Error: API mismatch: the NVIDIA kernel module has version 173.14.05, but this NVIDIA driver component has version 169.04. Please make sure that the kernel module and all NVIDIA driver components have the same version. NVIDIA: Direct rendering failed; attempting indirect rendering. And the screen opens, but no earth or controls show. Anybody have any idea what's up with that? TIA. $ rpm -q kernel kernel-2.6.24.7-92.fc8.x86_64 kernel-2.6.25.4-10.fc8.x86_64 $ rpm -qa \*nvidia\* xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-libs-173.14.05-1.lvn8.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-173.14.05-2.lvn8.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.4-10.fc8-173.14.05-2.lvn8.x86_64 xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-173.14.05-1.lvn8.x86_64 kmod-nvidia-2.6.24.7-92.fc8-173.14.05-1.lvn8.x86_64 -- -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Google Earth and nVidia [SOLVED]
On Fri, 2008-06-13 at 08:23 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Fri, 13 Jun 2008 21:00:37 +0930 Tim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You become the super user to install, you install, the installation's final step offers to run the newly installed program, and you end up running it as the root user. I installed google earth a little while back and there was no need to be the root user. I just ran the installer as my regular user and away it went That's fine for a machine that you are sole user of. I generally prefer to install apps in public areas so users can share them. If you install GE as root, it defaults to /opt/google-earth with a symlink in /usr/local/bin. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: texlive problems
On Tue, 2008-06-17 at 08:35 +1000, Norman Gaywood wrote:
I love the fact that F9 is now using texlive instead of tetex. However,
I have found these 3 problems so far:
I have TeXLive installed in F8. It's supposed to be the same packages,
just built for F8 by the packager.
1. pcatcode.sty is missing. Example:
$ cat t.tex
\documentclass{article}
\usepackage{amsrefs}
\begin{document}
hello
\end{document}
$ latex t.tex
This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6)
%-line parsing enabled.
entering extended mode
(./t.tex
LaTeX2e 2005/12/01
[...snip...]
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2005/09/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/amscls/amsrefs.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/html/url.sty)
! LaTeX Error: File `pcatcode.sty' not found.
[...snip...]
Don't know about this. The file is missing here too.
2. No kdvi program. kdvi used to be in kdegraphics but this no longer
seems to be the case. kdvi works very well with kile. Has this program
been dropped?
It seems to be there in the F8 version. I don't have it installed,
though.
3. There seems to be a problem with pdf metapost processing. I haven't
tracked this down fully yet but a collection of metapost and latex files
that process correctly with tetex, produces this:
$ pdflatex premath.tex
This is pdfTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.40.3 (Web2C 7.5.6)
%-line parsing enabled.
entering extended mode
(./premath.tex
LaTeX2e 2005/12/01
[..snip..]
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/article.cls
Document Class: article 2005/09/16 v1.4f Standard LaTeX document class
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/size10.clo))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ltxmisc/a4wide.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/ntgclass/a4.sty))
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/generic/oberdiek/ifpdf.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphicx.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/keyval.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/graphics.sty
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/graphics/trig.sty)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/graphics.cfg)
(/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/pdftex-def/pdftex.def))) (./premath.aux)
! Package graphics Error: Cannot convert premath-1.mps from MPS to PDF.
(graphics)The support file `supp-pdf.tex' is missing.
$ rpm -qf `locate supp-pdf`
texlive-texmf-doc-2007-17.fc9.noarch
HTH
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Re: LaTeX beamer class
On Fri, 2008-06-20 at 11:11 -0600, Phil Meyer wrote: Christoph Hger wrote: Hi, what package do I have to install to use latex-beamer on fedora 9? I tried yum search beamer with no success, although https://admin.fedoraproject.org/pkgdb/packages/name/tetex-beamer#Fedora9 says that there is a package out there. any hints? christoph The beamer stuff appears to be in: texlive-texmf-latex-2007-22.fc9.noarch I did: $ locate beam and got what looks like the complete beamer listed. I picked a file, and: $ rpm -qf /usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/beamer/themes/theme/beamerthemeGoettingen.sty texlive-texmf-latex-2007-22.fc9.noarch See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=437375, too. Good Luck! -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: vpnc on fedora9 drops frequently
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 00:15 +0300, Bassel Safadi wrote: 2008/6/20 PK [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Has anyone noticed this on fedora-9. I use vpnc and it drops my network connection every few minutes of inactivity. I'll have to restart my network and reconnect through vpnc again. Any suggestions/ alternatives appreciated! Thanks, ~ PK I have the similar problem when connecting my I-mate to usb for charging, the network manager recognize it as a sync network and I loose the connection on eth0, after few seconds it reconnect to eth0, but every few minutes it disconnect and reconnect. Dead peer detection? There should be an indication in /var/log/messages. Try adding DPD idle timeout (our side) 0 to /etc/vpnc/connection config. See https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=345281 and (if you use NetworkManager) https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=403661. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: emacs curiosity
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 19:58 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On two different fedora 8 systems now, I have done a yum update, then the next time I started emacs, I've had it error off during initialization with a message about regular expression too big. If I attempt to reproduce the problem, I find emacs starts up perfectly OK on the next try. If I look in /var/log/yum.log, I don't see any updates that appear to be remotely related to emacs. Anyone have a clue what the heck is going on here? I'm just curious. Since it fixes itself, it is no big deal I guess :-). Saw that here, too. No idea what it was... -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: OT How to get National Public Radio FM on Rythmbox
On Sat, 2008-06-21 at 23:56 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi -- particularly to my American friends. Does anybody know how to get National Public Radio (NPR) as a feed on Rythmbox. I am new to using Radio + computer and I would like to add a NPR station to my list of stations. But I can't seem to find an Internet feed. Maybe it doesn't exist, but if someone knows how to get any (North Easteren US -- I'm in Ottawa, Canada) FM station I would appreciate it. http://www.npr.org/audiohelp/progstream.html There's also a list of NPR stations at http://www.npr.org/stations/. You could stream any of those. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Weird iwl3945 wireless problem
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 18:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Kevin J. Cummings wrote: One other thing - if I remember right, the default setup asks for the 128 bit key as ASCII, or hex. (Start with 0x for hex.) It does not want the pass phrase itself. There is a selection where you can give it the pass phrase, and it will generate the hex or ASCII key. I don't remember exactly how to access it - I am not on my laptop, and it has not had to do it for a while. That's not correct for NM, though it is for system-config-network and friends. In NM, there's a pulldown selector and you can choose (I think--can't check right now) passphrase, ascii key or hex key. The hex key does not start with 0x. Mikkel -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Weird iwl3945 wireless problem
On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 23:37 -0500, Mike Chambers wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 22:35 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Sun, 2008-06-22 at 18:07 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Kevin J. Cummings wrote: One other thing - if I remember right, the default setup asks for the 128 bit key as ASCII, or hex. (Start with 0x for hex.) It does not want the pass phrase itself. There is a selection where you can give it the pass phrase, and it will generate the hex or ASCII key. I don't remember exactly how to access it - I am not on my laptop, and it has not had to do it for a while. That's not correct for NM, though it is for system-config-network and friends. In NM, there's a pulldown selector and you can choose (I think--can't check right now) passphrase, ascii key or hex key. The hex key does not start with 0x. I thought when using hex key and the 0x, it was for when using like system-config-network or the /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/key-file or whatever? And using just passphrase is when using NM itself. That's partly right. I read Mikkel's post as claiming that the '0x' prefix was required for NM, which is not correct. s-c-n and friends have only one way to enter a key and no way to specify its type, so to distinguish hex from ascii, you need the starting '0x' character. Otherwise ascii 'd3adb33f' and hex 'd3adb33f' would be indistinguishable. NM WEP has the pulldown menu to specify the key type. So you can choose whether the key you enter is a passphrase or a hex key. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Weird iwl3945 wireless problem
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 17:31 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: s-c-n and friends have only one way to enter a key and no way to specify its type, so to distinguish hex from ascii, you need the starting '0x' character. Otherwise ascii 'd3adb33f' and hex 'd3adb33f' would be indistinguishable. NM WEP has the pulldown menu to specify the key type. So you can choose whether the key you enter is a passphrase or a hex key. With me, NM occasionally gets into a loop where it keeps asking me for my encryption key. I feel like screaming at it, I've already told you 5 times what the f-ing key is. The only solution to this I have found is to re-boot. (Even ctrl-alt-backspace, forcing a new login, does not work.) When this happens (haven't seen it recently in F8 fully up2date), I begin by restarting the NetworkManager service. That's almost always enough, but if not, I stop the service, rmmod the wireless driver, modprobe the driver, then restart the service. I've not had to resort to rebooting in quite a while. (Note that NM is a system service that runs at boot. The applet runs at login, but connects with the system service. Logging out has no effect on the service.) Admittedly this only happens about 1 time in 10. As far as I can see, NM is completely devoid of any documentation that could conceivably help if it does not work. The NM developers suffer from the delusion that their toy is infallible. That's way more plausible than the theory that they are spending their time coding rather than documenting. The latter just never happens with open-source projects... -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Wireless problems.
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 11:53 -0400, Mark Haney wrote: Timothy Murphy wrote: Mark Haney wrote: I will mention that when I reboot, and I look in 'Network' in GNOME, that I see 2 wireless cards listed. Originally, it showed 'wlan0' and 'wlan0.bak', along with 'eth0' and 'eth0.bak'. I don't know how that happened, but I'm wondering if kudzu doing something. Even when I deleted the wlan0.bak option and rebooted, same thing. I think this is part of the completely crazy pre-NM WiFi setup. NM is crazy too, but in a different way. Did you try, incidentally, iwconfig wlan0 essid whatever? Do you have the ESSID set in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-wlan0 ? Also maybe worth trying iwconfig wlan0 MODE Managed or MODE AdHoc. Ps I'm not a WiFi guru, just a sufferer from it. See, on my other wireless system (laptop running Gentoo), I always fire up my wireless this way with no trouble, no matter where I am. (Uh, the manual CLI way) The script I use has never failed me to launch iwconfig and then bring up the interface. In Fedora, even from the CLI I cannot get the interface to connect. It's UP, from the standpoint that I have an entry in ifconfig that tells me it's up. The modules are loaded (and I've tried load/unload). I've tried the other AP modes and still nothing. I just don't understand what changed in a week. This is the one system I haven't wired because of it's location and so far I've not had trouble with it. At this point, I'm tempted to try Gentoo on it and see if that makes a difference, just to make sure it's not some weirdness with Linux in general with that card. You might try the following: * Open system-config-network. * Delete all wireless interfaces and devices. * Reboot, and let the hardware detector re-detect them. * Try connecting again. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Wireless problems.
On Mon, 2008-06-23 at 14:50 -0400, Mark Haney wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: Did it get rid of the multiple copies? Did it correctly detect the cards? It did. Until a second reboot. Then they came back. In /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-interface, is there a HWADDR=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx line? A that point, I'd consider filing a bug. John Linville handles the wireless stuff, and he's usually been pretty responsive. The problem is, I don't know what the problem is, so don't know what to file. It probably doesn't make too much difference, in the sense that wherever you file, you'll get help troubleshooting. If none of the connectivity tools leads to a connection, I'd probably start with the kernel (Linville's beat), suspecting that it's a wireless driver issue. It can always be reassigned later if troubleshooting leads you to some other component. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: slmodem and kmod-slmodem
On Fri, 2008-06-27 at 08:16 -0500, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I installed slmodem package in order to try to have my laptop modem working. While slmodem is launched, it suggest that I have to install kmod-slmodem but this seems imossible with last f8 kernel: missing dependency: kernel 2.6.23.15-137.fc8 is required but not found Is slmodem deprecated now? If yes whet is the new package? You have to install the kmod-slmodem that matches the installed kernel. You should have a matching module for each kernel you have installed. You end up having to install a new kmod-slmodem each time you install a new kernel. Look for slmodem-alsa. It works through the ALSA drivers, completely in user space, so there is no need for a kernel module. I haven't used it in a few months, but it used to work just fine for me. Mikkel -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
F9 NFS install fails
I'm trying to install F9 on a machine that doesn't have a DVD drive. I burned the boot.iso and boot from that. I mount the install DVD on another machine and NFS export it. I can mount the exported directory on another machine (and even that machine booted with its current F7). I boot for the boot ISO and select NFS install. I assign the IPv4 address, netmask, gateway, and nameserver as they are defined for other machines on the LAN and specify the IP address and directory of the NFS serving machine. IPv6 is disabled. But the installer is always unable to mount the NFS volume. Is there something I'm missing? TIA. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 16:30 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: But this was a specific, concrete query. Why does NM wait until the user has logged in to start? That's a wrong assumption. NM doesn't wait until the user has started. It is a system service which starts at boot. nm-applet(GNOME) or Knetworkmanager (KDE) is just a frontend to the system service called NM. It is possible to write a console frontend to do a similar task for the non-desktop case but NM atleast initially was designed to make wireless network access easier. It has grown additional functionality over time however. Sorry, Rahul, you have lost me here. When I say that NM waits until the user logs in I mean that NetworkManager does not connect me to my AP until I login. Therefore any application that requires me to be connected has to wait until I login. This doesn't worry me particularly, but it does puzzle me. I am asking the reason for this delay. Perhaps if there was some minimal documentation for NM this might be clear. The standard network service, on the rare occasions when it works for me, does not wait for me to login. Think about how accessing wireless systems works. If you have to authenticate, then you have to be logged in to do it (or you have to preconfigure it). If you are a mobile user, you may have to do it several times--NM makes the process about as convenient as possible. Authentication should be tied to a user: user A should not necessarily be able to authenticate to user B's WAP unless user A also knows the key. (Apropos another thread, that's why the keyring is used to store encrypted keys.) NM was originally designed primarily for mobile machines that may connect to many different networks or no network, so management by a logged-in user is a reasonable assumption. The F9 NM supposedly also has the ability to set system-level access parameters (including static IPs) and connect at boot, but that mostly makes sense for workstations and servers. (I'm still running F8, so I haven't figured out how to do it yet.) -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO
On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 14:15 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 11:09 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: Think about how accessing wireless systems works. If you have to authenticate, then you have to be logged in to do it (or you have to preconfigure it). If you are a mobile user, you may have to do it several times--NM makes the process about as convenient as possible. Authentication should be tied to a user: user A should not necessarily be able to authenticate to user B's WAP unless user A also knows the key. (Apropos another thread, that's why the keyring is used to store encrypted keys.) This actually raises an interesting point. The various discussions of wireless authentication I've seen don't clearly distinguish between the user and the device in all cases. Sometimes they do (e.g. when using WPA in an enterprise mode which requires authenticating the actual user to a central server) and other times they don't (such as the very common PSK mode where everyone just knows the magic passphrase). What happens in the following scenario: User A logs in to his laptop and authenticates. Without logging out, User B comes along and logs in as well (on a different virtual console). Can User B now access the network without needing to authenticate again? If so, NM is treating the authentication as per-device, if not, then it's per-user. Does it depend on the WPA mode? I don't know. Ooh, good point. The answer is, once the link is up, it's tied to the device. I think you can even log out of your session and into another without taking the link down (but I haven't tried that). I'll leave it to Dan Williams (NM developer) to address possible alternative architectures. poc -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO
On Thu, 2008-07-03 at 16:40 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Rahul Sundaram wrote: Sorry, Rahul, you have lost me here. When I say that NM waits until the user logs in I mean that NetworkManager does not connect me to my AP until I login. Again, you are confusing between NM and nm-applet. I don't think so. I am using the term NetworkManager - as I think most people do - to mean NM and any associated programs which it may start. Therefore any application that requires me to be connected has to wait until I login. This doesn't worry me particularly, but it does puzzle me. I am asking the reason for this delay. I believe I already answered that. NM was initially designed to manage wireless networks easily where it makes more sense to connect after you login. Refer http://www.redhat.com/magazine/003jan05/features/networkmanager/ Thanks for that reference, which looks pretty good at a quick first glance. I guess I start from a different point to yourself and the NM developer(s). I and my family use WiFi on laptops in my house, to connect to the desktop connected to the internet. Occasionally I try to access the internet from a WiFi hotspot but my experience in Ireland is that this is rarely as simple as it sounds. (Last time I tried in a pub here it turned out that they wanted me to pay the equivalent of several pints of beer.) But 99% of the time we are using laptops to connect to a fixed AP. In other words, for me WiFi is simply a replacement for ethernet. I suspect that is the case for a large majority of WiFi users. In fact, for people like me - which as I say I suspect is most users - the standard network service would be fine if it worked. It used to work reasonably well under Redhat-9 (and earlier) but it has never worked properly under Fedora, for me. But it seems to me that it should be easy enough to cater for all users, by having a setting in some /etc/NM.conf which will allow NM to start with a specific connection before anyone logs in _if that is what one wants_, or if not requires the user to authenticate before connection. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F9Common#networkmanager-static Perhaps if there was some minimal documentation for NM this might be clear. Perhaps if you will volunteer to contribute, it would have been done by now. If you want to wait for someone else to do the work, it is going to be done when others find time and interest to do it. It would be very foolish for me to try to document NM. I recall with horror a HOWTO written by Karl you-know-who which was guaranteed to sow utter confusion in any reader. But it always surprises me that a developer who must have spent weeks if not months thinking about his pet project has never found it useful for him/her-self if no-one else to set down the basic principles of the project. I often think one of the advantages of democracy is that when politicians and bureaucrats are forced to document what they are doing they usually find that this increases their own understanding, and so improves their performance. Actually, the document you pointed to seems to me a pretty good starting point. But the question it does not answer, and which it is obvious many users would like an answer to, is: What can I do if NetworkManager does not connect me to my AP? How can I tell where it has broken down? And what steps can I take to solve the problem? -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: BOINC again !? -- BINGO, BINGO and BINGO
On Fri, 2008-07-04 at 14:58 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: But it seems to me that it should be easy enough to cater for all users, by having a setting in some /etc/NM.conf which will allow NM to start with a specific connection before anyone logs in _if that is what one wants_, or if not requires the user to authenticate before connection. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Bugs/F9Common#networkmanager-static I read this, and followed the instructions there as well as I could, creating the following /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth1 -- DEVICE=eth1 ONBOOT=yes BOOTPROTO=dhcp NM_CONTROLLED=Yes HWADDR=00:02:2D:21:03:C9 IPADDR=192.168.2.19 NETWORK=192.168.2.0 GATEWAY=192.168.2.2 TYPE=Wireless DHCP_HOSTNAME=mary.gayleard.com IPV6INIT=no ESSID=dd-wrt KEY=secret -- But the effect of installing this was to stop NM working. (It had been working perfectly.) Actually, WiFi appeared to be working from the flashing lights on my WiFi card, but I got the message Network unavailable. In any case, as far as I could see NM (or nm-applet) did not start up until I logged in, as usual, so even if this had worked I don't think it would improved matters. First, I haven't actually tired this yet, as I haven't had time to install F9 on any of my machines. But I will have a chance sometime soon, maybe this weekend. nm-applet doesn't start until you log in, but NetworkManager starts at boot if it is set to do so. My understanding is that NM (the service) should start an interface at boot if ifcfg-device is set up correctly. It's likely that mobile users wouldn't want an interface to come up if it wasn't under their control (through nm-applet). As I said before, the fact that NM starts late does not actually worry me too much, I just find it puzzling. To date I have 4 files in /etc/NetworkManager/dispatcher.d/ to run various programs (eg NFS mount) which have to wait for a network connection. I think I've seen that the NM service will be set to start earlier in the boot sequence in a soon-to-be-released update. The longer-term solution would be to have services that require a network understand how to wait for one to come up (through dBus, for example). -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 NFS install fails [SOLVED]
On Mon, 2008-06-30 at 03:58 +, Amadeus W.M. wrote: On Sun, 29 Jun 2008 19:17:06 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: I'm trying to install F9 on a machine that doesn't have a DVD drive. I burned the boot.iso and boot from that. I mount the install DVD on another machine and NFS export it. I can mount the exported directory on another machine (and even that machine booted with its current F7). I boot for the boot ISO and select NFS install. I assign the IPv4 address, netmask, gateway, and nameserver as they are defined for other machines on the LAN and specify the IP address and directory of the NFS serving machine. IPv6 is disabled. But the installer is always unable to mount the NFS volume. Is there something I'm missing? TIA. When installing from alternative media such as the hard disk or nfs, you tell the installer the drive (e.g. /dev/sda2) and the directory where the actual ISO image resides (e.g. Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso). That was it, thanks! To make the install faster, do a hard disk install. That is, put the iso image on the machine you want to install, on a partition that you do not format during the install (e.g. in /home/user). If you're installing on a machine that's not already running linux, then you must do a network install. It didn't seem as though the installer recognizes LVM volumes. But the net install is working fine. On the machine with dvd drive: dd if=/dev/dvd of=Fedora-9-i386-DVD.iso then transfer it to the target machine. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Scanner woes in F9
Apparently, scanner configuration is now handled through HAL rather than UDEV, which means I have no idea how to get my scanner set up. I have an Epson Expression 800 SCSI scanner. It is detected with no problem as /dev/sg0 and gets user root, group lp and permissions -rw-rw---. So root can see the scanner, but regular users and network users can't see it. Changing the permissions to -rw-rw-rw by hand makes the scanner accessible to local users, but still not over the LAN. And of course, it won't be preserved across reboots. I added the network IP range to /etc/sane.d/saned.conf and added localhost to /etc/sane.d/net.conf, configured /etc/xinetd.d/sane-daemon as it was when it worked in F8, and opened port 6566 in the firewall. Any idea what I'm missing? I have sane-backends-1.0.19-10.fc9.i386. The HAL configuration for scanners is in /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/19-libsane.fdi. TIA. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Firefox required for latest F8 updates
I've loaded Remi's Firefox 3 RPMs on a F8 system, so I have the following packages: xulrunner-devel-1.9-1.fc8.remi.x86_64 xulrunner-1.9-1.fc8.remi.x86_64 firefox-3.0-1.fc8.remi.x86_64 firefox2-2.0.0.14-1.fc8.remi.x86_64 For some reason, the latest F8 update wants to pull in Firefox 2 i386 package from F8 updates: Updating: cups-pdfx86_64 2.4.8-1.fc8 updates 59 k devhelp x86_64 0.16.1-8.fc8 updates 199 k gnome-python2-extrasx86_64 2.19.1-15.fc8updates 50 k gnome-python2-gtkhtml2 x86_64 2.19.1-15.fc8updates 18 k gnome-python2-libeggx86_64 2.19.1-15.fc8updates 57 k jetty x86_64 5.1.14-1jpp.1.fc8 updates 1.9 M pcrex86_64 7.3-4.fc8updates 138 k python-pastenoarch 1.6-1.fc8updates 680 k yelpx86_64 2.20.0-10.fc8updates 715 k Installing for dependencies: firefox i386 2.0.0.15-1.fc8 updates 21 M Note that the i386 package is pulled in even though all of the updates are x86_64 or noarch. Remi's i386 packages don't play nicely with his x86_64 packages, though, so I can't install both. Which package is pulling the F8 Firefox? Any suggestions for a solution? TIA. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Firefox required for latest F8 updates
On Sun, 2008-07-06 at 18:23 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: I've loaded Remi's Firefox 3 RPMs on a F8 system, so I have the following packages: xulrunner-devel-1.9-1.fc8.remi.x86_64 xulrunner-1.9-1.fc8.remi.x86_64 firefox-3.0-1.fc8.remi.x86_64 firefox2-2.0.0.14-1.fc8.remi.x86_64 For some reason, the latest F8 update wants to pull in Firefox 2 i386 package from F8 updates: Updating: cups-pdfx86_64 2.4.8-1.fc8 updates 59 k devhelp x86_64 0.16.1-8.fc8 updates 199 k gnome-python2-extrasx86_64 2.19.1-15.fc8updates 50 k gnome-python2-gtkhtml2 x86_64 2.19.1-15.fc8updates 18 k gnome-python2-libeggx86_64 2.19.1-15.fc8updates 57 k jetty x86_64 5.1.14-1jpp.1.fc8 updates 1.9 M pcrex86_64 7.3-4.fc8updates 138 k python-pastenoarch 1.6-1.fc8updates 680 k yelpx86_64 2.20.0-10.fc8updates 715 k Installing for dependencies: firefox i386 2.0.0.15-1.fc8 updates 21 M Update: both yelp and devhelp include the firefox dependency. The others installed OK without it. Note that the i386 package is pulled in even though all of the updates are x86_64 or noarch. Remi's i386 packages don't play nicely with his x86_64 packages, though, so I can't install both. Which package is pulling the F8 Firefox? Any suggestions for a solution? TIA. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Firefox required for latest F8 updates
On Mon, 2008-07-07 at 18:45 +0200, Remi Collet wrote: For some reason, the latest F8 update wants to pull in Firefox 2 i386 package from F8 updates: Latest devhelp, yelp (and some others) requires gecko-libs 2.0.0.15 which could be provided by : - firefox-2.0.0.15 from official fedora updates - firefox2-2.0.0.15 from my little repo So, if you use FF3 from my repo : yum --enable repo update firefox2 Yum decision could seem strange, but gecko-libs virtual provide is not arch dependent (should be something like gecko-libs-x86_64). Ah, it looks better now, except that evolution-rss still requires gecko-libs = 1.8.1.14, so updating firefox2 breaks that. Does that need to be Bugzilla'd? Regards -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Firefox required for latest F8 updates
On Tue, 2008-07-08 at 06:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: Ah, it looks better now, except that evolution-rss still requires gecko-libs = 1.8.1.14, so updating firefox2 breaks that. Does that need to be Bugzilla'd? That would help. Please do. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454344 Rahul -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: NetworkManager: How to set caching nameserver?
On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 09:48 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Michael H. Warfield wrote: I have a longer rant that I'm strongly tempted to send. I'd wouldn't necessarily post your rant here, as most of us here agree that NM is a bad idea gone wrong. Speak for yourself (unless you have hard data to back up your assertion). You should, rather, post your rant as a nice big, fat bugzilla report on the NM and/or Gnome bugzillas. Better would be a handful of focused, reproducible error reports, so that the problems can be fixed and the tool improved. Rants aren't really helpful as Bugzilla reports. They are, however, great ways to generate traffic on mailing lists. It'd also be nice if there was a decent how-to on the various aspects of the configuraton of wpa_supplicant (what the various key_mgmt, pairwise and other parameters mean and how to find out what to use, etc.) so normal non-geeks can sort it out. As far as I can see, people submit to NM nastiness because they can't sort those out themselves. I agree with the need for more and better documentation for wpa_supplicant and for NM. But I mostly submit to NM because it mostly works for me. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Network interface does not auto-activate when computer starts in FC9
On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 18:04 -0700, Aldo Foot wrote: On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Ali, Saqib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I just upgraded to FC9, and the network interface no longer activates when the computer starts. In the Network Configuration - eth0 - Edit - General the Activate device when computer starts checkbox is checked. Also the ONBOOT is set to yes in the /etc/sysconfig/network-script/ifcfg-eth0. Any thoughts? saqib http://doctrina.wordpress.com/ check that the network service is on. chkconfig --list | grep network. Or just chkconfig --list network By default, it's not on in F9, NetworkManager is instead. The simplest fix is probably to chkconfig NetworkManager off chkconfig network on and reboot. NetworkManager *should* work, but it appears to require some tweaking to start interfaces at boot, and I haven't had a chance to look into it yet. ~af -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: NetworkManager: How to set caching nameserver?
On Sat, 2008-07-12 at 15:56 -0400, Michael H. Warfield wrote: Hello, On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 15:34 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 09:48 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: Michael H. Warfield wrote: I have a longer rant that I'm strongly tempted to send. I'd wouldn't necessarily post your rant here, as most of us here agree that NM is a bad idea gone wrong. Speak for yourself (unless you have hard data to back up your assertion). Which assertion? That NM is a bad idea gone wrong or that most of us agree on it? I think I have some hard data on the former but not the later. The former is strictly an opinion, and you are welcome to it. The latter is an assertion of fact that I don't think you could back up. You should, rather, post your rant as a nice big, fat bugzilla report on the NM and/or Gnome bugzillas. Better would be a handful of focused, reproducible error reports, so that the problems can be fixed and the tool improved. Rants aren't really helpful as Bugzilla reports. They are, however, great ways to generate traffic on mailing lists. It'd also be nice if there was a decent how-to on the various aspects of the configuraton of wpa_supplicant (what the various key_mgmt, pairwise and other parameters mean and how to find out what to use, etc.) so normal non-geeks can sort it out. As far as I can see, people submit to NM nastiness because they can't sort those out themselves. I agree with the need for more and better documentation for wpa_supplicant and for NM. But I mostly submit to NM because it mostly works for me. There in lies the real problem. I agree with you 100%. NM mostly works for me as well. I just got back from a conference in Vancouver where it managed the WiFi connectivity issues beautifully. The problem isn't when it works. The problem is when it doesn't. And it doesn't all to often. It's not most of the time, just a minority of the time, but way too often when you have to deal with a diverse changing set of environments (which is what I THOUGHT it was suppose to be designed for) as I do. When and where it doesn't work, the gods that be can not help you solve it. It's a closed box which doesn't allow for tinkering and tuning and scripting to fix things. Yeah, it mostly works, but the times it doesn't are an unfixable abomination and a plague upon civilization. When it doesn't, the only solution is to drive a stake through its heart. Mostly works doesn't work, when you close your system and don't allow people to tune it and you refuse to acknowledge the parameters, and hooks, and scripts which the users have specified (and that does NOT mean forcing the user only through your myopic gui dialogs) and used successfully in the past. I won't presume to speak for the developers, but my belief is that what we have is a system that is (a) pretty useful in many circumstances--useful enough to deploy, even though it's (b) unfinished and (c) undergoing rapid changes in order to improve it, and is (d) poorly documented as a result of that instability. That happens often enough in Linux and open-source development to be pretty frustrating, but I don't ascribe malicious motives to the developers (most of the time). Meanwhile, I use it when it works, and I when it doesn't, I try to troubleshoot it and file bugs or turn it off and use the individual tools that it tries to tie together. And I try very hard to be patient... -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: NetworkManager: How to set caching nameserver?
On Mon, 2008-07-14 at 10:33 +0930, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2008-07-13 at 15:08 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: Just to be a bit more precise, what I would like from NM is error messages along the lines: The AP you specify does not accept your WEP code, or There is no response from the AP you specify, etc. In the Good Old Days when memory and storage space was short Error no 18374 was acceptable. Nowadays, inadequate error messages are just a sign of laziness on the part of the developer. Seconded! That's the sort of thing that has needed, not another: An unknown error has occurred, because an error has occurred. Somebody who knows wireless protocols better than I can correct me, but ISTR from reading the NM mailing list that (at least for WEP), it may not be possible to detect the reason for a failure to connect. In the nm-applet display, one lit dot means you haven't succeeded in connecting yet (bad key or something else) and two lit dots means you're connected to the WAP but haven't got a DCHP address yet. But that's about all there is in terms of information from the WAP. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 11:04 -0500, Les Mikesell wrote: Alexandre Oliva wrote: You seem to be implying that the GPL is necessary for cooperation. That is just not true. Agreed. It's just better for everyone involved in the cooperation than permissive licenses. No it isn't. There is never a down side to permitting additional uses. They never reduce the possibilities for the original work. To understand why, have a look at http://www.lsd.ic.unicamp.br/~oliva/papers/free-software/BMind.pdf Your scenarios have nothing to do with real-world possibilities. You need to permute your license cost chart for all possible recombinations of code components and note the places where you can't even make an entry. Imagine if the reference TCP implementation had been GPL'd and no commercial systems used it because of the restrictive license. We'd still be struggling to make any two different systems communicate today. Again, the fact that under certain restricted conditions it may be possible to reuse the code does not eliminate the damage caused by the restrictions that prevent many other uses. /me refers to the 1-month-ago thread on fedora-devel in which I thought it had become clear that GPL didn't impose any such restrictions, it was copyright law that did. That's equally true and equally irrelevant, for those proprietary licenses that you don't like, so its not much of an argument, especially from you. Saying that the GPL is better than a sharp stick in the eye still doesn't make it a good thing. Rather than say that the GPL restricts the ability to engage in certain types of cooperation, we could just say it disdains to permit those types of cooperation. Then we can avoid the distracting argument about whether the fault lies with the GPL or copyright law. Clearly, the intent to permit or not permit cooperation lies with the author of the work and is embodied in the terms of the license--in particular, whether the license does or does not explicitly relax the restrictions of copyright law. Copyright law just defines the default condition in case there is no explicit grant of license. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Wed, 2008-07-16 at 22:32 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: Yes, there are unfortunate downsides because of license incompatibilities. This is not exclusive of copyleft licenses. We've also covered in fedora-devel that authors who want to cooperate to promote a better world will find a way to cooperate. We also covered in that thread how incredibly difficult it can be to make that cooperation happen and how frustrating and depressing it is to have to spend enormous amounts of time and effort time doing that rather than producing useful code and improving people's lives and livelihoods. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Remi's F8 firefox2 update breaks evolution-rss
Remi's latest firefox2 update appears to provide a newer version of gecko-libs, but evolution-rss still requires gecko-libs = 1.8.1.15. As a result, I can't update firefox2, so I can't update devhelp or yelp. Where's the breakage here? Does the Fedora firefox update have the same problem? TIA. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Remi's F8 firefox2 update breaks evolution-rss
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 18:05 +0200, Michael Schwendt wrote: On Fri, 18 Jul 2008 11:57:25 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: Remi's latest firefox2 update appears to provide a newer version of gecko-libs, but evolution-rss still requires gecko-libs = 1.8.1.15. As a result, I can't update firefox2, so I can't update devhelp or yelp. Where's the breakage here? Does the Fedora firefox update have the same problem? This one does: http://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F8/FEDORA-2008-6491 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=454344 Thanks! -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 + NM: wireless options don't come up from hibernate on Thinkpad T61
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 11:10 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote: Hi, I boot into a machine on wired ethernet. All is well, the wireless options come up as well as wired (which is connected). However, after I put the laptop on hibernate and wake it up, the wireless options are all gone, and the only option is the wired eth0 (without a reboot). If I go away from my wired network, rebooting is the only option. Does anyone have this problem? Any suggestions as to how I can fix this? I occasionally see that it takes a minute or so for NM to re-scan on resume. If it fails to connect after that time, I've had success with 1. Stopping NM 2. Removing wireless driver 3. Re-installing wireless driver 4. Restarting NM It may also help to create /etc/pm/config.d/unload_modules containing SUSPEND_MODULES=your wireless driver Many thanks, Trotter -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 12:31 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: Code that is freely available doesn't need protection as nothing can happen to it other then someone else using and improving it which is a good thing regardless of what else happens to that copy subsequently. I am sure many would disagree with this, The code has to be protected in some way to ensure that someone/or a company cannot claim the code to be theirs and start selling it and not give anything back. This is the good side of the GPL if there is one. Sure, there is one, and that's exactly it. The LGPL is one example of a license that protects the code while permitting the creation of derived works with mixed components. The CPL is another. There are several more listed at opensource.org. The MySQL open-source exception to the GPL is another workable alternative (at least for the case where all components are free[1]). Long ago it might not have been completely predictable that many end points of the longest-developed paths of unix development (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Unix_history-simple.svg) would be open-sourced but it was never out of the question either. Having that big chunk isolated by the GPL and unable to share components is just bad for everyone. Unix is not GPL'd, Linux is or did I miss something here? The components can be shared, you just have to use the GPL and license your work on it. This is like I scratch your back, but you will also scratch mine. Cooperation is the key and interoperability between compnents like you have mentioned. If only we had control of all the pieces and could specify the licenses... When we try to take free software components from other sources with different (even free!) licenses and combine them to create new free works, we are often stymied by the failure of the GPL to permit the distribution of the result. And it is not always possible (and almost never easy) to resolve the conflicts. [1] I think it also could be useful to be able to combine free and proprietary software to create new works. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 + NM: wireless options don't come up from hibernate on Thinkpad T61
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 14:18 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote: Sorry but how do I figure out what/where my wireless driver is? Depends on what card you have. My T61 has an Intel 3945 and the driver is iwl3945. You can see all loaded drivers with lsmod. Many thanks, Trotter --- On Fri, 7/18/08, Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: F9 + NM: wireless options don't come up from hibernate on Thinkpad T61 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], For users of Fedora fedora-list@redhat.com Date: Friday, July 18, 2008, 3:52 PM On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 11:10 -0700, Globe Trotter wrote: Hi, I boot into a machine on wired ethernet. All is well, the wireless options come up as well as wired (which is connected). However, after I put the laptop on hibernate and wake it up, the wireless options are all gone, and the only option is the wired eth0 (without a reboot). If I go away from my wired network, rebooting is the only option. Does anyone have this problem? Any suggestions as to how I can fix this? I occasionally see that it takes a minute or so for NM to re-scan on resume. If it fails to connect after that time, I've had success with 1. Stopping NM 2. Removing wireless driver 3. Re-installing wireless driver 4. Restarting NM It may also help to create /etc/pm/config.d/unload_modules containing SUSPEND_MODULES=your wireless driver Many thanks, Trotter -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Fri, 2008-07-18 at 13:41 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: Sure, there is one, and that's exactly it. The LGPL is one example of a license that protects the code while permitting the creation of derived works with mixed components. The CPL is another. There are several more listed at opensource.org. The MySQL open-source exception to the GPL is another workable alternative (at least for the case where all components are free[1]). Excellent, OpenOffice is released under the LGPL, with the L becoming Lesser GPL, which does not restrict the sharing of code. Can Linux be The FSF calls this the lesser GPL because they have moral/philosophical objections to allowing this kind of sharing. The LGPL (AKA the Library GPL) is a concession to the reality that some such combined works are too useful to block. Imagine the state of GNU/Linux and open source if only GPLed works could be linked with glibc. released under the LGPL? at least to allow the the mixing and sharing of code that is restricted by the real GPL. Almost certainly not. The kernel is a prime example of the challenges involved in getting the cooperation that Alexandre refers to. All authors would have to agree. There are probably thousands of them and at least some of them are GPL zealots who would never agree to such terms. If only we had control of all the pieces and could specify the licenses... When we try to take free software components from other sources with different (even free!) licenses and combine them to create new free works, we are often stymied by the failure of the GPL to permit the distribution of the result. And it is not always possible (and almost never easy) to resolve the conflicts. [1] I think it also could be useful to be able to combine free and proprietary software to create new works. -- http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs I agree with [1] here. I believe Les agrees with you here as well :) Regards, Antonio -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 16:15 -0300, Alexandre Oliva wrote: On Jul 20, 2008, Les Mikesell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I add some bsd code into a gpl'd work, could I then distribute the resulting binary and only the previously gpl'd code? No, you have to provide the whole with the permissions and the conditions set forth in the GPL, which the modified BSD license permits you to do. Instead, I believe it becomes encumbered with the gpl restrictions - and could not be used otherwise. When part of the whole, yes. When took in isolation, it's still under the modified BSD license, and its headers will say so, and there has to be a copy of the license distributed along with the code. You seem to not understand the difference between freedom and power, and insist in demanding power when what you deserve and have is freedom. No, I understand that restrictions are not freedom. So, let's see, just because you're prohibited from using software for stealing money from others' bank accounts, and you could decide to change any piece of software to do just that, then no software whatsoever can be free, because it's under a restriction? This sort of trolling is inimical to a rational discussion, and I wish you'd stop. (For the record, I find some of Les's remarks a bit over the top as well.) The FSF acknowledges that there are a variety of free software licenses. I can't imagine that they would use the term if they didn't believe that all of these licenses effectively protected the four freedoms. As Rahul pointed out, many of these are compatible with the GPL. But as he did not point out, many more are (for various reasons) incompatible with the GPL. For that, they are no less free. What I want to do is take a GPL work and a work licensed under one of those other free licenses and combine them with code that I write and release under some free license (not necessarily GPL, but still free) and release the whole to the world. As a scientist, my interest is in building on knowledge created before to create new knowledge and solve new problems, and in telling the world about my discoveries. I have no interest in using software for stealing money from others' bank accounts, and frankly, I resent the accusation. If the free license of the second work or the free license that I would choose for my own work is GPL-incompatible, my freedom to disseminate the new knowledge I create is restricted by the requirement of the GPL that the work as a whole be licensed under the GPL if any part is. And to whoever said that the end user's freedom is what's being protected, I'd point out that the end user's freedom to obtain my code and reap the benefits of the knowledge I create is equally as restricted. Just because you're prohibited from removing the copyright notice and the license from code under one of the various permissive licenses, it's not free, because it's under a restriction? I am in no way advocating any action to close up free code that I get from somewhere else, or even to keep closed modifications that I make to that code. I'm only interested in what I'm permitted to do with *my* code. Many of the free licenses protect code I might want to incorporate in my work without restricting what I'm allowed to do with *my* code that *I* created (or other code that I might obtain from other sources). The LGPL is one such license. There are many others. As far as I know, the GPL is the only free license that places restrictions on code that is not part of the program being licensed. You seem to have a very odd understanding of what freedom is about. You appear to disregard the fact that one's freedom doesn't invade someone else's freedom. If you were the only person in the universe, and you could change physical laws to suit your wishes, then you might be able to equate freedom to 'no restrictions'. Once others enter the picture, what you claim as freedom, if claimed by the others, would turn into power usable against you: threats to *your* actual *freedom*. I don't think that's an outcome you'd be interested in, and you wouldn't be so selfish as to wanting that kind of power only to you, so there's some inconsistency in your stance. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: I need help with Fedora
On Mon, 2008-07-21 at 02:28 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: Kevin J. Cummings wrote: In general, if you don't know what you are doing then maybe Linux isn't for you? Oh please. Can you avoid that elitist attitude? There are new comers to Linux and Fedora all the time and not all of them are experts. These are valuable users to the community and we don't need to drive them away with statements like these. None of us were born with any of this knowledge anyway. Remember, you were a newbie too when you got started. Hear, hear! Rahul -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Why is Fedora not a Free GNU/Linux distributions?
On Sun, 2008-07-20 at 17:21 -0700, Gordon Messmer wrote: Les Mikesell wrote: Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Maybe that is because you are looking at it as a developer, and not as an end user. It is the freedom of the end users that is being preserved. No, that is exactly backwards. Since the GPL only prohibits redistribution The GPL does not prohibit redistribution. Copyright law does that. The method by which redistribution is restricted is merely a distraction. The fact that the GPL disdains to permit redistribution under broader terms than it does is intentional on the part of the GPL's authors and at least some of its adopters. The dispute is over whether those terms are the best ones for the promotion of FOSS. The GPL does not, in fact, prohibit much of anything. It is a license that allows redistribution under specific terms. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: What will be the codename for Fedora 10?
On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 18:19 -0700, Antonio Olivares wrote: Antonio Olivares wrote: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/voting/about/10 Since voting has ended, where are the official results? You might have searched a bit. https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2008-July/msg00014.html Rahul Thank you very much Rahul, That link doesn't explain the connection between the codenames for F9 and F10, though. Regards, Antonio -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Messed up my ISP/Networkmanager connection !?
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 09:27 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 04:18 -0400, William Case wrote: httpd: could not reliably determine the servers fully qualified domain name using 127.0.0.1 for server name. Bill, you do realize that 127.0.0.1 is localhost, right? I don't know what your problem is, but I would start from there. I don't have the context, but if 127.0.0.1 is the nameserver (in /etc/resolv.conf), then are you running a caching nameserver on your own machine? That's the usual reason for 127.0.0.1 to be the nameserver. poc -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Fedora Infinity: A Dumb Question?
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 21:06 -0500, Marc Schwartz wrote: Tom \spot\ Callaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 16:36 -0600, kwhiskerz wrote: I have always wondered why it is necessary to issue a new version of Fedora (or any other OS every 6 months). Why cannot an OS be like a river, constantly flowing and always being the latest edition, with a simple yum update. This is called rawhide. Please keep your arms and legs inside the vehicle at all times. Fedora is not responsible for any injuries which occur while riding rawhide. Rawhide is not for everyone. Pregnant women, or women who may be pregnant (or that one guy who was pregnant) should consult their physician before riding rawhide. Individuals with any of the following medical conditions should probably not ride rawhide: high blood pressure, ringworm, psoriasis, tetter, elephantitis, amathophobia, or rheumatoid arthritis. Rawhide may eat you, your children, your neighbor, your neighbor's cat, and/or your leftovers from yesterday dinner. Rawhide may date your sister once, then never call her again. If you don't have a sister, it may date your friend's sister, then never call her again. If none of your friends have sisters, it may date the sister of someone you have never met and then never call her again. Yum sessions which last for 3 or more hours while using Rawhide are not normal, please seek bugzilla. Rawhide may conflict with other software repositories. Rawhide is not approved by the FDA to treat any specific condition. Rawhide will not be brought to you by Xerox in 4 parts without commercial interruptions. Rawhide will not show you pictures of Bush blowing a bugle and leading a charge by Dick Chaney, John Ashcroft, and John McCain to eat baklava confiscated from an Iraqi village. Rawhide will not make you more attractive to the opposite sex (try beer). Rawhide will break. Rawhide will make you cry. And it still won't call your sister (or your friend's sister, or some random person's sister). LOL! I think that I saw a warning like that on some of the rides at Disney World... For those of us old enough to remember, Rawhide also has it's own TV show and theme song[1]: Move ‘em on, head ‘em up, head ‘em up, move ‘em out, Move ‘em on, head ‘em out Rawhide! Of course, that was what inspired the rolling release repo name to begin with, back in the days of Red Hat Linux (4 or 5 or so): Rollin', rollin', rollin', ... Regards, Marc Schwartz 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rawhide_(TV_series) -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: gcc 4.3 warnings
On Wed, 2008-08-06 at 22:34 -0700, Skunk Worx wrote:
Matthew Saltzman wrote:
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 19:49 -0700, Skunk Worx wrote:
$ gcc foo.c
foo.c:1:16: warning: missing terminating character
$ cat foo.c
#define DQUOTE
main() {}
A few people at work have mentioned it seems unusual for a preprocessor
to complain about simple macros this way.
What do others think of this?
A macro definition has to consist of a sequence of tokens. A string
constant (sequence of characters enclosed in double quotes) is a token,
but the double quote by itself is not.
If you are trying to construct strings containing macro defs, look at
the stringize operator (#) and token merge operator (##)in the
preprocessor documentation.
Exactly. This code was written circa 1991 and the warnings came with the
change to Fedora 9.
The preprocessor is being used to generate html code documentation in
the build, including named anchors (#).
A further review of KR, and other sources on the web, show the use of
the preprocessor for this kind of task is not recommended.
I imagine it would be some effort to integrate in legacy code, but if I
understand what you're trying to do, it sounds like Doxygen might do
what you want. There are other, similar systems out there as well.
They generally use formatted comments and a separate processor to
generate documentation in various formats.
Thanks,
John
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Re: OT: Cleaning video head on my Betamax VCR
On Sat, 2008-08-09 at 14:20 -0600, Frank Cox wrote: On Sat, 09 Aug 2008 21:59:50 +0200 Nigel Henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any suggestions as to what I can use to manually clean the video head? I'm thinking cleaning fluids here. Alcohol. *Denatured* alcohol! And a Q-tip. That's what I use to clean crud out of the film projector in my theatre. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 07:24 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 00:11:57 -0500 Arthur Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here, I think a compromise is necessary. If you're running a server, I think you're competent enough to turn of NetworkManager (it was really crappy a few versions ago). While I think there needs to be away to have a network connection on boot, that seems, even to me, to be low priority. But why am I being called on to be the one who needs additional competence? Why can't NetworkManager just say, Oh look, this machine has a static IP, let's just start networking exactly the same way it always started. As long as people have to intervene to fix things after an improvement, I don't consider it an improvement. This is how it's supposed to work in F9. If it's not, then there's a bug somewhere. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 14:35 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: May be time to change my choice of OS, or just to keep using it and start bitching, because that seems to be what you guys are looking for. Well, take a tone of constructive criticism, posing problems and seeking solutions (and posting solutions when you find them), rather than just bellyaching. And file bugs, file bugs, file bugs! -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Project Stick In The Mud :-)
On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 18:38 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 14:35 -0700, Russell Miller wrote: May be time to change my choice of OS, or just to keep using it and start bitching, because that seems to be what you guys are looking for. Well, take a tone of constructive criticism, posing problems and seeking solutions (and posting solutions when you find them), rather than just bellyaching. And file bugs, file bugs, file bugs! Dude, I do, I just get really frustrated sometimes when I want something to work and I have to spend hours trying to find the problem. I'm a professional systems administrator and I get enough of that at work. :-) I can empathize. Remember, there are lots of bugs and limited resources to kill them. Keep the pressure up, but don't alienate the bug fixers. Note that being Bugzilla'ed is a necessary condition for a bug to be fixed, but the converse (sufficient condition) does not hold, in general. You'll note that I did find the problem and shared the solution. I may be a little bitchy at times but I always figure it out in the end. And as a member of the user community, I appreciate your willingness to volunteer (seen elsewhere in the thread). --Russell -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Stripes on screen after installing Fedora
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 15:37 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 18:53 +0200, Bjørn Ivar Johnsen wrote: Could anyone please tell me exactly how I am supposed to install Fedira, and if I have to write something, please tell me exactly how I should proceed with that too, as I am suspecting im nit doing this right?! When you boot the Dvd, since you're having nVidia problems, just use text mode install. It'll work just fine. Ric If you like the graphical install and you have a spare computer and a LAN, you can use the VNC installer. Just enter linux vnc at the first splash screen and follow the instructions to set up your vnc client. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
F9 and nVidia Quadro NVS 140 M
Is anyone running this combination with either the nv driver or the binary nvidia driver? Are there any issues--in particular with suspend or hibernate and resume? I have a ThinkPad T61 with this card. I'd like to know before I upgrade that I will still be able to suspend/resume. Thanks. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Stripes on screen after installing Fedora
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 16:51 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 16:14 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 15:37 -0400, Ric Moore wrote: On Sun, 2008-08-10 at 18:53 +0200, Bjørn Ivar Johnsen wrote: Could anyone please tell me exactly how I am supposed to install Fedira, and if I have to write something, please tell me exactly how I should proceed with that too, as I am suspecting im nit doing this right?! When you boot the Dvd, since you're having nVidia problems, just use text mode install. It'll work just fine. Ric If you like the graphical install and you have a spare computer and a LAN, you can use the VNC installer. Just enter linux vnc at the first splash screen and follow the instructions to set up your vnc client. The OP has already said he has no Linux experience. Asking to set up VNC might be a bit of a stretch. OK possibly. I didn't see the beginning of the thread. There are Windows VNC clients, though. Getting the installer VNC server going is practically automatic. poc -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 and nVidia Quadro NVS 140 M
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 12:00 -0400, Chris Snook wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: Is anyone running this combination with either the nv driver or the binary nvidia driver? Are there any issues--in particular with suspend or hibernate and resume? I have a ThinkPad T61 with this card. I'd like to know before I upgrade that I will still be able to suspend/resume. Every case I've ever heard of suspend/resume problems with that hardware was fixed by installing the nvidia driver. If you're comfortable running that, you should be okay. I do run the binary drivers in F8. Suspend works, but hibernate doesn't. I just wanted confirmation that it was at least that good in F9. Thx. -- Chris -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: F9 and nVidia Quadro NVS 140 M
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 12:33 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 7:20 PM, Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 12:00 -0400, Chris Snook wrote: Matthew Saltzman wrote: Is anyone running this combination with either the nv driver or the binary nvidia driver? Are there any issues--in particular with suspend or hibernate and resume? I have a ThinkPad T61 with this card. I'd like to know before I upgrade that I will still be able to suspend/resume. Every case I've ever heard of suspend/resume problems with that hardware was fixed by installing the nvidia driver. If you're comfortable running that, you should be okay. I do run the binary drivers in F8. Suspend works, but hibernate doesn't. I just wanted confirmation that it was at least that good in F9. Thx. -- Chris -- Matthew Saltzman I would say my experience with a Quadro 570M is about the same. Suspend appears to work but when it comes out of hibernate everything acts funny (momentary lockups and eventual hard locks). Richard I got a test machine with the 570M. The nv driver suspends OK but resumes with the backlight off. I haven't yet figured out a workaround . This bug goes back to F8. Hibernate seems to work fine. The nvidia drivers for the latest kernel are delayed at Livna, so haven't been able to test them yet. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: kernel update confuses nvidia drivers, where's error message?
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 13:51 -1000, Dave Burns wrote: Well, there is an nvidia.ko there now: # rpm -q --filesbypkg kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686.i686 kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 /lib/modules/2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686/extra/nvidia kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 /lib/modules/2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686/extra/nvidia/nvidia.ko But it's not a match for the kernel I am currently using, which is: # uname -a Linux *** 2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686.PAE #1 SMP Mon Aug 4 13:57:11 EDT 2008 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux And... rpm -qa|grep nvidia xorg-x11-drv-nvidia-173.14.12-1.lvn9.i386 kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686-173.14.12-2.lvn9.i686 kmod-nvidia-PAE-173.14.12-2.lvn9.i686 kmod-nvidia-2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686.PAE-173.14.12-2.lvn9.i686 kmod-nvidia-173.14.12-2.lvn9.i686 Is telling me that I have nvidia packages for kernel 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686 and 2.6.25.11-97.fc9.i686.PAE. So I should try booting one of those kernels. Which worked. Don't forget to nvidia-xconfig. And as always, with nvidia proprietary drivers (installed from livna), the usual system/administration/display panel doesn't work, instead use nvidia-settings from the command line. There was a note yesterday or so that the Livna nvidia packages for the latest kernel are delayed. Keep trying buena suerte, Dave -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Limiting process memory usage
Is there an administrative way to prevent a process from using more than some set amount of memory? Apparently, ulimit -m is not enforced in Linux. Thanks. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: network vs NetworkManger services ??
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:55 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:40 -0400, William Case wrote: I will see if I can get help with NetworkManager on the [EMAIL PROTECTED] , but meanwhile, so as to avoid asking really stupid questions in more than one place. Is the 'network' service supposed to be running while the NetworkManager service is on? There is no such thing as *the* 'network' service (in the sense I think you mean). People on this list are using Network vs. NM as a shorthand for two ways of configuring the various network components, some of which are in the kernel and some in user space. Specifically when they say Network in this context they mean the set of scripts invoked via the system-config-network command. He's referring to /etc/initi.d/network. And no, it should be off if you are running NetowrkManager (and vice versa). And the interfaces you want to be managed by NetworkManager should be so set in system-config-network. Is it compiled into the kernel? I thought it was a module? Are those questions even relevant? The TCP/IP network protocol stack is wired into the kernel. Various device drivers may be wired in or loadable as modules. Other bits such as DHCP service run in user space. ps aux shows NetworkManager but no 'network' or friends. Because it's not a single process. poc -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: network vs NetworkManger services ??
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 17:10 -0400, William Case wrote: Thank you Matthew. That was why I was double checking. On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 16:54 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:55 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:40 -0400, William Case wrote: [snip] He's referring to /etc/initi.d/network. And no, it should be off if you are running NetowrkManager (and vice versa). And the interfaces you want to be managed by NetworkManager should be so set in system-config-network. network won't turn off. The command line shows: ]# service network status Configured devices: lo eth0 Currently active devices: lo eth0 ]# service network stop Shutting down interface eth0: [ OK ] Shutting down loopback interface: [ OK ] and then; NetworkManager's gui shows warning 'disconnected'; does its grind; produces a dialogue (tool tip thingy) that says I am reconnected. If I check, I get: ]# service network status Configured devices: lo eth0 Currently active devices: lo eth0 And it is back running. Even after hot or cold re-boot. To ensure that the network service does not run at boot, run 'chkconfig network off' as root. If the network service is stopped, it may still report active interfaces, even if they are being managed by NetworkManager. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: touchpad (Asus F3Sr) on Fedora 9
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 13:35 -0700, Geoffrey Leach wrote: On 08/16/2008 12:44:08 PM, =?ISO-8859-2?Q?David_Hl=E1=E8ik?= wrote: Thank you, and is there any gui util or something where can i tune up those settings? But thank you, yes i know xorg.conf (done lot of playings with ATI , dual displays ...) Regards, D. On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 5:03 PM, Mike [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David Hláčik david at hlacik.eu writes: Hello guys,i have problem with my touchpad (Asus notebook F3Series) on Fedora My xorg.conf for a Dell M4300 is # Xorg configuration created by livna-config-display Section ServerLayout Identifier Default Layout Screen 0 Screen0 0 0 InputDeviceKeyboard0 CoreKeyboard InputDeviceTouchPad CorePointer EndSection [snip] There's a GUI that runs under KDE. Sorry I don't recall its name (other than the name begins with 'k' :-). I didn't find it of much use. You might try synclient. gsynaptic for GNOME. I'd guess ksynaptic for KDE. synclient is a command-line one. To use any of these, you need to preconfigure xorg.conf with the SHMConfig line in the InputDevice section. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: network vs NetworkManger services ??
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 17:28 -0400, William Case wrote: Hi Matthew; On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 16:54 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:55 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 14:40 -0400, William Case wrote: He's referring to /etc/initi.d/network. And no, it should be off if you are running NetowrkManager (and vice versa). And the interfaces you want to be managed by NetworkManager should be so set in system-config-network. They *are set* in system-config-network. Sorry if I wasn't clear. In system-config-network, there is a check-box for each interface indicating whether it is controlled by NetworkManager. If you have NetworkManager service running and the network service off, you want that box checked. If you have NetworkManager off and network running, you want that box unchecked. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: touchpad (Asus F3Sr) on Fedora 9
On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 18:00 -0400, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Sat, 2008-08-16 at 13:35 -0700, Geoffrey Leach wrote: There's a GUI that runs under KDE. Sorry I don't recall its name (other than the name begins with 'k' :-). I didn't find it of much use. You might try synclient. gsynaptic for GNOME. I'd guess ksynaptic for KDE. Sorry, that's gsynaptics and ksynaptics (ending in 's'). synclient is a command-line one. To use any of these, you need to preconfigure xorg.conf with the SHMConfig line in the InputDevice section. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: touchpad (Asus F3Sr) on Fedora 9
On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 10:42 +, Mike wrote: Matthew Saltzman mjs at clemson.edu writes: Sorry, that's gsynaptics and ksynaptics (ending in 's'). Do you know what the status of ksynaptics is? According to http://www.kde-apps.org/content/show.php?content=17286 it seems to be discontinued and a replacement app called TouchFreeze replaces it - but I don't know if this is in the F9 repos? Sorry, no idea. I've been using GNOME. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: time stupidity
On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 19:31 +, g wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Todd Denniston wrote: snip If the machine is always running Unix/Linux, then UTC is usually better. If you are also running MSWIN then you either need to use LOCAL or find the tweak someone posted ~1 week ago, that you can do to windows so it treats the hardware clock as UTC. what is there to tweak if you just tell msbsos that time zone is london, england? time + 0 is time + 0. That's what I've done (though I might try the tweak). If you do that, you also need to make sure that *each Windows user* turns off the automatic daylight time adjustment in the clock applet. (Basically, UTC is London time with no DST adjustment, give or take a few ticks...). The only disadvantage is that when you are in Windows, the clock shows UTC. If you wear a watch, that's not a big deal. If you use a Windows calendar/alarm facility, you have to watch out for that, as well, or you'll find yourself several hours early to your appointments. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: time stupidity
On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 12:28 +, g wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matthew Saltzman wrote: snip (Basically, UTC is London time with no DST adjustment, give or take a few ticks...). for me, here in cst, i have never had a problem of thinking - 6 hours for local time and - 5 for dst. once you do it for a while, it is second nature. when i had to use msbsos, i always used gmt and disabled dst. even had a few people tell me my clock was off. for some reason they had trouble understanding why i did not use dst and were more confused when i would reply with, 'not every body does'. The only disadvantage is that when you are in Windows, the clock shows UTC. If you wear a watch, that's not a big deal. you wear a watch? Call me old-fashioned... you'll find yourself several hours early to your appointments. being early can in some case, give a good impression. ;o) Clemson University Math Sciences math sciences and you have problems with something like time? :o) Most mathematicians I know are terrible with numbers. There are three types of mathematicians in the world: Those that can count and those that can't.---Anonymous - -- tc,hago. g . in a free world without fences, who needs gates. learn linux: 'Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition' http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz 'The Linux Documentation Project' http://www.tldp.org/ 'HowtoForge' http://howtoforge.com/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Red Hat - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIs/bd+C4Bj9Rkw/wRAvdyAJ9+OzSMESeTyh//v46LfJGaJsWs7gCfeERH Nd6UMIwrbKQJDzzWLmbA2Y0= =Dt+U -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list
Re: Replying to Digest Post(s)
On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 17:39 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Fri, 2008-09-12 at 12:45 -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: NO! NEVER, EVER reply to a digest. There are NO exceptions. The proper way to ask questions or start new threads is to create a NEW message with an appropriate subject line and content and send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Digests are meant to be a read-only distribution mechanism, but there are times when someone might want to reply to a message contained in a digest. Obviously the threading is lost anyway, since replying to a message within a digest is not a supported operation because most of the header info is lost. Furthermore, the digest itself is not a list message, thus has no thread of its own to mess up. However using reply instead of composing a fresh message gives you the chance to quote the original message without a lot of nasty cutting and pasting, so I wouldn't rule it out absolutely. Most mail readers understand digests in MIME format, where the individual messages (with headers intact) are accessible. That's how I get my digests. Maybe MIME should be the default for digests? The ONLY time you should reply to a message is when you're commenting on the content of the message. Anything else (changing a subject line, etc.) is hijacking the thread and is severely frowned upon. Actually I think changing the Subject is a Good Thing (tm) in this specific case. Since threading doesn't depend on the Subject anyway, there's no problem. Agreed, if you must do this, changing the subject line is about the only hint you can give to Mailman or mail clients that it's part of a thread. I think Mailman makes at least some feeble attempt to thread based on subject if other header info isn't available. poc -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Hang coming out of suspend
On Sat, 2008-11-08 at 12:43 +1030, dpet wrote: On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 16:25:45 -0500 (EST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ASUS Z84F. When I suspend (with appropriate quirks) under kernel-2.6.26.6-79.fc9.i686, half of the time the system hangs on coming out of the suspend, requiring reboot. Things appear to start out well, then, before the display and keyboard are enabled, the system hangs. Earlier 2.6.26 kernels and kernel-2.6.25.14-108.fc9.i686 (now in use) work fine. Neither /var/log/messages nor dmesg show anything wrong. Fedora 9 is up-to-date. Before I submit to Bugzilla, (a) is anyone having a similar problem and (b) any suggestions for data gathering? Inspiron 9400 with Nvidia. It seems the same thing occasionally happens to me, after being faultless on previous kernels. I believe it gets as far as lighting the backlight, but no further. No known messages. I have not used any manual quirks for some time. I hope you can work out how to word the Bugzilla! Me too (Lenovo T61 nVidia Quadro NVS 140M graphics, nvidia binary driver). At least one incident left me with a damaged file system that had to be fsck'ed. Regards DP South Australia -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Hang coming out of suspend
On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 16:40 +, Wayne Feick wrote: I'm running F9 on a Dell Precision M65, and I'm consistently seeing this crash. I tried disabling the screensaver, but it didn't help. Wayne. It seems to be related to the latest kernel update (I'm running F8 with kernel-2.6.26.6-49.fc8.x86_64 on a ThinkPad T61), and it seems to have to do with changes in power status, namely pulling the power cord out to pack up the machine for transport and/or plugging it back in at the destination. Pulling the cord before suspending and resuming before plugging the cord back in seems to resume without hanging. More evidence along these lines of what works and what doesn't is welcome. I'll file a bug (if there isn't one already) once I can describe how to reproduce it. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Hang coming out of suspend
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 11:24 -0800, Patrick Mansfield wrote: On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 02:52:20PM -0800, Geoffrey Leach wrote: Bugzilla 471139 has been submitted. I resisted the temptation to summarize the experience of others. Please chime in with your experiences. You [plural] should specify the graphics card in use, I haven't been able to get my T61p with nvidia graphics to resume. I am on current up to date F9, non-nvidia binaries. lshal (I don't know where hal gets this) shows: # lshal | grep system.hardware system.hardware.primary_video.product = 1065 (0x429) (int) system.hardware.primary_video.vendor = 4318 (0x10de) (int) system.hardware.product = '6460DUU' (string) system.hardware.serial = 'L3L0352' (string) system.hardware.uuid = '17F08681-49AD-11CB-A689-EA57506D20E9' (string) system.hardware.vendor = 'LENOVO' (string) system.hardware.version = 'ThinkPad T61' (string) And lspci has: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 140M The best I've gotten so far is by using: pm-suspend --quirk-s3-mode --quirk-vbemode-restore With the above used to suspend, on resume the system comes back but the video is blank/black, but I don't get a hang (caps lock works, and I can type and see disk activity, and blindly reboot). Other combinations of pm-suspend seem to hang :-( Does anyone have suspend / resume working with a thinkpad T61 6460DUU (or thinkpad T61 with nVidia Quadro NVS 140M)? I believe this is a different bug (and I think it's in Bugzilla as such against the xorg driver package, but I don't have the number handy). The nvidia binary drivers work with my T61 (Quadro NVS 140M) modulo this thread's intermittent freeze on resume (and worked fine before the latest kernel). It works except for an annoying check on the second CPU on resume on a T61p. The nv drivers do not resume properly on either machine, and have not (in F8 and F9) since F8 was released. I don't really understand why they can't get it to work, as the plain vesa drivers suspends and resumes just fine, but the backlight never goes off when the screen is idle. -- Patrick Mansfield -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Hang coming out of suspend
On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 14:44 -0800, Wayne Feick wrote: The X.org nv driver was doing suspend/resume pretty well for me (only rare crashes on resume) until recently. Now it fails every time. If it's a pre-existing issue, then it has gotten much worse recently. Wayne. I believe the behavior depends on the card. Mine are 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 140M (rev a1) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation Quadro NVS 570M (rev a1) Both are relatively new cards. The nv driver didn't even detect them properly when F8 came out. (BTW, top posting is frowned on on this list.) On Wed, 2008-11-12 at 17:35 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: I believe this is a different bug (and I think it's in Bugzilla as such against the xorg driver package, but I don't have the number handy). The nvidia binary drivers work with my T61 (Quadro NVS 140M) modulo this thread's intermittent freeze on resume (and worked fine before the latest kernel). It works except for an annoying check on the second CPU on resume on a T61p. The nv drivers do not resume properly on either machine, and have not (in F8 and F9) since F8 was released. I don't really understand why they can't get it to work, as the plain vesa drivers suspends and resumes just fine, but the backlight never goes off when the screen is idle. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution and F10
On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 20:21 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 08:34:08AM -0500, Ed Gurski wrote: In F10, as soon as the message is read, it disappears into it's respective folder and I loose the preview. Evolution has always had that bug. IMAP folders, right? You can open a Gnome bug on it but they'll just close it. Yet another reason to never bother with Evolution. Is that this one? If so, they seem to think they've fixed it. If they haven't, see if they'll reopen it or file a new one. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=240416 -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: NetworkManager Problem
On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 12:58 +0100, Eric Tanguy wrote: I would like to continue to use NetworkManager and not going back to the old fashion but i can't figure out how to make it use a static IP address. If i right click on the networkmanager icon i can select connection modification but in the Auto eth0 all is greyed and can't be modified. How can i do this ? What's in /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-eth0? Thanks Eric -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Evolution and F10
On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 16:57 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 21:07 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 20:21 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 08:34:08AM -0500, Ed Gurski wrote: In F10, as soon as the message is read, it disappears into it's respective folder and I loose the preview. Evolution has always had that bug. IMAP folders, right? You can open a Gnome bug on it but they'll just close it. Yet another reason to never bother with Evolution. Is that this one? If so, they seem to think they've fixed it. If they haven't, see if they'll reopen it or file a new one. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=240416 That doesn't seem to be the same thing at all. Maybe you got the number wrong. Oops... http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=467892 poc -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Weather icons missing in GNOME clock applet
I have a fresh F10 install. I have the clock applet preferences set to show weather and temperature, but neither shows up on the taskbar. There is space in the applet to show them, but it's empty. On another fresh F10 install, I do not have the same problem--the weather and temp show just fine. Any idea what I should look for to fix this? TIA. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Weather icons missing in GNOME clock applet
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 03:50 +0100, Frode Petersen wrote: Matthew Saltzman skrev: I have a fresh F10 install. I have the clock applet preferences set to show weather and temperature, but neither shows up on the taskbar. There is space in the applet to show them, but it's empty. Any idea what I should look for to fix this? Have you set a location in the applet's configuration? That made the difference here. Good thought, but yes, I have a location set. In fact, I tried several cities of increasing size with no joy. If I have no locations, there is no blank space for weather icons in the clock display (which makes sense). If I have a location, the space is there, but no icons. The icons do show in the location display when I pop the calendar down. The standalone weather applet works as expected. And on another machine with a similar fresh install, the clock applet works fine too. Frode Petersen -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Weather icons missing in GNOME clock applet [SOLVED-ish]
On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 17:51 -0800, Brian Gaynor wrote: On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 10:45 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Thu, 2008-12-04 at 03:50 +0100, Frode Petersen wrote: Matthew Saltzman skrev: I have a fresh F10 install. I have the clock applet preferences set to show weather and temperature, but neither shows up on the taskbar. There is space in the applet to show them, but it's empty. Any idea what I should look for to fix this? Have you set a location in the applet's configuration? That made the difference here. Good thought, but yes, I have a location set. In fact, I tried several cities of increasing size with no joy. If I have no locations, there is no blank space for weather icons in the clock display (which makes sense). If I have a location, the space is there, but no icons. The icons do show in the location display when I pop the calendar down. The standalone weather applet works as expected. And on another machine with a similar fresh install, the clock applet works fine too. I actually had to hit the _SET_ button in the location display (hover over the location area to see the button) before I could get weather to display. Magic appearing _SET_ button is poor design IMHO. Aha. So I hit the SET button, finally figured out that it wanted my password, not root's, and it replaced the SET button with a home icon. Now weather displays fine. In retrospect, it's clear what's going on--I had wondered how the applet knew what weather to display. It would be nice if it were at least clearer what was being set by that button and what privileges were needed to set whatever it is. Thanks! - Brian -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: Boost lib problem on Fedora
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 10:00 +0100, John007 wrote: Hi all, I am installing TPP on fedora 9.0. When I compiled the TPP, the error information is following: g++:usr/lib/libboost_iostreams.a: no such file or directory g++:usr/lib/libboost_regex.a: no such file or directory g++:usr/lib/libboost_program_options.a: no such file or directory I have installed the boost-devel-static.i386, boost-doc.i386, boost-static.i386 packages by yum install boost* from fedora website. I could find libboost*.so files under /usr/lib, but I could not find any libboost*.a files there. What is wrong for me? Where can I find the *.a files? Or do I need to reinstall the boost package from boost.org website? In F10, these are in the boost-static RPM. The i386 ones should be in /usr/lib. The x86_64 ones are in /usr/lib64. I will really appreciate any help for it. Thanks John -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
F10 Evo filtering unbearably slow
In F10, Evolution's filtering of incoming mail takes forever--much longer (according to my impression) than in F8. In addition, I frequently see errors related to checking for junk mail along the lines of: Pipe to spamassassin failed. The same thing happens if I use bogofilter in place of spamassassin. Anyone else seeing this behavior? Any suggestions for fixes/workarounds? (I use the Exchange connector, so please don't suggest another mail client.) -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 Evo filtering unbearably slow
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 19:05 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:52:35 -0500 Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else seeing this behavior? Any suggestions for fixes/workarounds? If you are really totally wired to evolution and exchange connector, my only advice is to setup a Windows virtual machine where you can run outlook just long enough to setup the exchange server-side filtering rules, then turn off filtering in evolution since the sxchange server will have done it for you. Server-side filtering would be great. I will look into that. (Too bad no one has ever made a linux interface to the filter rules, at least I don't know of one). Sure you can't use imap to talk to exchange? My memory of my experience with IMAP was even worse. And I need the calendaring and contact lists. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 Evo filtering unbearably slow
On Sat, 2008-12-06 at 23:32 +1930, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In F10, Evolution's filtering of incoming mail takes forever--much longer (according to my impression) than in F8. In addition, I frequently see errors related to checking for junk mail along the lines of: Pipe to spamassassin failed. The same thing happens if I use bogofilter in place of spamassassin. Anyone else seeing this behavior? Any suggestions for fixes/workarounds? (I use the Exchange connector, so please don't suggest another mail client.) I'm not seeing this, but I don't use Exchange. (though I do see problems with virtual folders, e.g. the unread counts are often wrong). Evo 2.24 has new indexing code which uses SQLite, and some people seem to be having trouble with it. You might want to file a bug at http://bugzilla.gnome.org. Interestingly, I'm not seeing the problem today (not yet, at least). If it recurs, I will file. Re: the behavior you observed, I've seen that twice now, and not only are the unread counts wrong, but only a fraction of the messages are visible. Scared the hell out of me the first time it happened, but restarting Evo seems to restore the correct state. I also notice that unsorted ordering really is unsorted now. It used to be pretty close to arrival time. Thanks. poc -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
Re: F10 Evo filtering unbearably slow
On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 23:34 -0500, Matthew Saltzman wrote: On Fri, 2008-12-05 at 19:05 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:52:35 -0500 Matthew Saltzman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone else seeing this behavior? Any suggestions for fixes/workarounds? If you are really totally wired to evolution and exchange connector, my only advice is to setup a Windows virtual machine where you can run outlook just long enough to setup the exchange server-side filtering rules, then turn off filtering in evolution since the sxchange server will have done it for you. Server-side filtering would be great. I will look into that. Following up myself... Server-side filtering would be great for getting messages sorted into folders so I see them where I want them from all the different machines I use to view mail. But it doesn't remove the need for spam filtering on the client. We have a pretty good spam filter here, but about 5-10% of the mail that gets past it to my inbox is still caught by spamassassin. (Too bad no one has ever made a linux interface to the filter rules, at least I don't know of one). I wonder if this will eventually be a feature of the OpenChange MAPI client library. I doubt the OWA interface that the current connector uses provides that access on the server side. Sure you can't use imap to talk to exchange? My memory of my experience with IMAP was even worse. And I need the calendaring and contact lists. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Matthew Saltzman Clemson University Math Sciences mjs AT clemson DOT edu http://www.math.clemson.edu/~mjs -- fedora-list mailing list fedora-list@redhat.com To unsubscribe: https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-list Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Communicate/MailingListGuidelines
