Re: [Felvtalk] Felv Testing Interval for kittens

2008-07-28 Thread catatonya
I think the only way to get a 'true' test on felv kittens is to test them asap 
and then wait at least 60 days (preferably 90).  Keep them totally away from 
other cats, and then retest.  This is so hard to do that I don't think anyone 
can judge a cat at any age as positive or negative from one test.
  tonya

MaryChristine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
still seems like it doesn't make sense--i know better than most that it 
takes an adult cat 90 to 120 days to develop antigens after exposure, so why 
then do so many articles say that you can test kittens at any age? why not just 
SAY that a test result isn't valid in kittens before then? seems to me that 
this is another one of those, we really don't know, so each of us will make it 
up as we go along, situations. I WANT ONE ANSWER, darn it! i don't care what 
it is, i just want one that everyone can agree upon, is that really too much to 
ask? (yeah, that was a rhetorical question.)

and unfortunately, not enough vets seem to know that FIV kittens will show 
their mom's antibodies, and, subsequently, fewer shelters and rescues do.

in EITHER case, a single test should never be taken as definitive--and all the 
major vet schools, and professional associations and literature have said so 
for years. hasn't made a whole lot of difference.

thanks for the link to the shelter med article, tho, as it confirms some of 
what i'd been seeing the journals, that transplacental transmission was no 
longer being considered the main vector.
hopefully, i'll be able to find those links again. (i have everything 
saved--it's just finding it again that can be problematical... )

MC
 

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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya)

2008-07-28 Thread catatonya
Thanks Wendy,
   
  I 'think' we are getting a medication routine going.  It's hard to tell if 
he's eating because he won't eat in front of me.  But he feels like he's 
gaining weight.  He's still interested in treats.  We're retesting in a couple 
of weeks, and unless things look good I'm going to go to the ear gel. Shaft is 
18 years old, so I don't think he's a good candidate for the surgery. :(
  tonya

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  Hey Tonya,
   
  I lost my 18 yr. old Julie to hyperT/kidney failure in December.  Instead of 
trying to chase Shaft for oral meds, I would suggest trying the transdermal 
Tapazole/Methimazole.  I ordered Julie's through Pet Health Pharmacy online; 
they are very reasonable compared to my vet/other pharmacies price-wise and 
have great service and customer service.  The transdermal can be rubbed into 
the tip of Shaft's ear, which is SOO much easier than trying to pill!  You 
will probably have to adjust and readjust dosing, as the hyperT is never 
completely cured.  The meds just regulate the progression of the disease, 
slowing it down.  I belonged to the hyperT group for two+ years and learned a 
lot there.  One of the problems with the meds is often overdosing of meds.  
Many vets prescribe 5 mg 2x daily when starting doses should only be 1.25 to 
2.5 mg 2x daily.  The meds have to be given every 12 hours because they are out 
of the system after about 12 hours.  
   
  The other thing you can consider is the radioactive iodine (I-131) treatment. 
 It's expensive; anywhere from $800 to $2000 depending on what part of the U.S. 
you have the treatment done in.  It's a cure, when it works, which is often.  
It kills the bad cells in the thyroid and leaves the good cells alone.  Had I 
had the money and had Julie not had kidney issues as well and had she been 
younger, I would have most assuredly gone with this treatment.  
   
  Hyper T often masks kidney disease, so often people find they are dealing 
with CRF as well as hyperT once the hyperT is regulated, and if this is the 
case, you often have to balance to two with the meds, meaning you can't fully 
treat the hyperT, as the kidney's act up.  If Shaft does have CRF after you get 
him regulated (you'll need to have his bloodwork done 4-6 hours after dosing 
with Tapazole/Methamizole to check both kidneys and T4 level, about 2 weeks 
after meds have been started), then subQ fluids are a must.  
   
  The hyperT Yahoo group is great.  Also, heart murmur is often caused by 
overworking thyroid, so that can disappear/improve after hyperT is regulated 
with meds.
   
  Hope this helps Shaft!
  :)
  Wendy
   
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Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2008 10:26:08 AM
Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem

  My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight.  Everyone here has been so 
sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was 
leaving for a week's vacation).  I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as 
soon as I got back.  That's what it was.  The vet detected a heart murmer as 
well.  He is an estimated 18 years old.  He had a fever and the vet put him on 
some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course.
   
  Problem.  He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down 
him.  I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides.  
Should I stress him out with the chase down?  Crate him for a while?  He 
doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on 
Monday.  We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better.
   
  Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice?  I 
am quickly losing my mind. la la la la.
   
  t




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Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya)

2008-07-28 Thread wendy
Hey Tonya,
Glad you guys are getting some type of routine down.  It's funny how hard that 
can be sometimes, especially with all that you also have going on personally.  
Keep us posted on Shaft.  I hope when he goes for his testing his numbers are 
in the normal range, and not still hyperT or hypoT.
:)
Wendy

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- Original Message 
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem (Tonya)


Thanks Wendy,
 
I 'think' we are getting a medication routine going.  It's hard to tell if he's 
eating because he won't eat in front of me.  But he feels like he's gaining 
weight.  He's still interested in treats.  We're retesting in a couple of 
weeks, and unless things look good I'm going to go to the ear gel. Shaft is 18 
years old, so I don't think he's a good candidate for the surgery. :(
tonya

wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hey Tonya,
 
I lost my 18 yr. old Julie to hyperT/kidney failure in December.  Instead of 
trying to chase Shaft for oral meds, I would suggest trying the transdermal 
Tapazole/Methimazole.  I ordered Julie's through Pet Health Pharmacy online; 
they are very reasonable compared to my vet/other pharmacies price-wise and 
have great service and customer service.  The transdermal can be rubbed into 
the tip of Shaft's ear, which is SOO much easier than trying to pill!  You 
will probably have to adjust and readjust dosing, as the hyperT is never 
completely cured.  The meds just regulate the progression of the disease, 
slowing it down.  I belonged to the hyperT group for two+ years and learned a 
lot there.  One of the problems with the meds is often overdosing of meds.  
Many vets prescribe 5 mg 2x daily when starting doses should only be 1.25 to 
2.5 mg 2x daily.  The meds have to be given every 12 hours because they are out 
of the system after about
 12 hours.  
 
The other thing you can consider is the radioactive iodine (I-131) treatment.  
It's expensive; anywhere from $800 to $2000 depending on what part of the U.S. 
you have the treatment done in.  It's a cure, when it works, which is often.  
It kills the bad cells in the thyroid and leaves the good cells alone.  Had I 
had the money and had Julie not had kidney issues as well and had she been 
younger, I would have most assuredly gone with this treatment.  
 
Hyper T often masks kidney disease, so often people find they are dealing with 
CRF as well as hyperT once the hyperT is regulated, and if this is the case, 
you often have to balance to two with the meds, meaning you can't fully treat 
the hyperT, as the kidney's act up.  If Shaft does have CRF after you get him 
regulated (you'll need to have his bloodwork done 4-6 hours after dosing with 
Tapazole/Methamizole to check both kidneys and T4 level, about 2 weeks after 
meds have been started), then subQ fluids are a must.  
 
The hyperT Yahoo group is great.  Also, heart murmur is often caused by 
overworking thyroid, so that can disappear/improve after hyperT is regulated 
with meds.
 
Hope this helps Shaft!
:)
Wendy
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the world - indeed it is the only thing that ever has! ~~~ Margaret Meade 
~~~ 



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Subject: [Felvtalk] ot-next problem


My cat Shaft has lost nearly half his body weight.  Everyone here has been so 
sick I just didn't realize it until a few weeks ago (a few days before I was 
leaving for a week's vacation).  I got him into the vet suspecting hyper-t as 
soon as I got back.  That's what it was.  The vet detected a heart murmer as 
well.  He is an estimated 18 years old.  He had a fever and the vet put him on 
some amoxy for that, as well as the tapazole, of course.
 
Problem.  He now hides and I have to chase him around to get any med.s down 
him.  I've given up on everything except the tapazole and he still hides.  
Should I stress him out with the chase down?  Crate him for a while?  He 
doesn't seem to be gaining ANY weight, and I have an appt. with vet again on 
Monday.  We were supposed to wait a month, but he's getting worse, not better.
 
Does anyone have the link to join the hyper-t group or any other advice?  I am 
quickly losing my mind. la la la la.
 
t
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[Felvtalk] Cat needs a home in SC area

2008-07-28 Thread lexingtongrn

 
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face=Comic Sans MSPaula Howell/font/blockquote
My TNR friend has picked up a male cat and took him to the vet and found him to 
be leuk pos.   She had a home lined up and of course she backed out when she 
found out he was leuk pos.  The vet is holding him a few hours before he pts.  
My friend has over 30 cats at her home.  I have 21.  This cat is a short haired 
gray tabby with an orange eye and a golden/green eye.  He's very friendly, very 
sweet and a talker.  Just talks up a blue streak!  I guess you've all been 
through this at one time or another but it's heartbreaking.
He's very healthy...no symptoms.  Does anyone have room for this baby boy?  My 
e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My work phone # is 803-734-6364.


  

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[Felvtalk] Cat needs home in SC area

2008-07-28 Thread lexingtongrn

 
blockquote dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;
img src=http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/04.gif;font 
face=Comic Sans MSPaula Howell/font/blockquote
Another contact phone number is 803-794-5686.


  

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat needs a home in SC area

2008-07-28 Thread MaryChristine
um, why would someone back down because he was positive?

is he in good condition? does he seem to have been a stray for a long time,
or does it appear he might have recently joined the outside world? if its
the latter, he quite possibly is testing positive to recent EXPOSURE, and
will clear the virus as many healthy adult cats will. The Merck Veterinary
Manual -Feline Leukemia Virus and Related Diseases:
Introductionhttp://www.merckvetmanual.com/mvm/index.jsp?cfile=htm/bc/57000.htmword=feline%2cleukemia

there's very little anyone on a list can do in a couple of hours; the vet,
however, ought to know that every single veterinary group and all the vet
schools say not to accept a single test as definitive for FeLV, and that
what is needed is a safe place to hold the kitty for retesting.

all a FeLV positive needs, if the cats in the house aren't vaccinated, is a
room of his own, or a condo-cage--it's not airborne, and unless he's
sneezing profusely, which doesn't seem to be the case, he's not going to
infect anyone.

i'm sure we're all wracking our brains for folks in SC who might have
positives or vaccinated cats, but this isn't giving the poor cat much time!

MC

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 blockquote dir=ltr style=MARGIN-RIGHT:0px;
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 face=Comic Sans MSPaula Howell/font/blockquote
 My TNR friend has picked up a male cat and took him to the vet and found
 him to be leuk pos.   She had a home lined up and of course she backed out
 when she found out he was leuk pos.  The vet is holding him a few hours
 before he pts.  My friend has over 30 cats at her home.  I have 21.  This
 cat is a short haired gray tabby with an orange eye and a golden/green eye.
 He's very friendly, very sweet and a talker.  Just talks up a blue streak!
 I guess you've all been through this at one time or another but it's
 heartbreaking.
 He's very healthy...no symptoms.  Does anyone have room for this baby boy?
 My e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]  My work phone # is
 803-734-6364.




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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat needs home in SC area

2008-07-28 Thread Sally Davis
Hi

This link does not work. Can you repost?

Sally

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat needs home in SC area

2008-07-28 Thread lexingtongrn
My e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
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Hi
 
This link does not work. Can you repost?
 
Sally


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[Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update

2008-07-28 Thread Sue Frank Koren


 

Hello everyone -

Today I got doxycycline from the vet.  It came in 50mg capsules which I
have

to open up and divide in two.  I mix half with water and give it to
Buzzy in a

syringe.  Half a capsule every 12 hours.  Tomorrow he goes for some kind
of

protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a
transfusion.

When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the
non-regenerative

kind.  Doesn't that mean there is more hope?  He is still eating fairly

well.  I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins in with

tuna.  I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to eat more
that

way.  In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit in my lap
for

a while.  He loves smelling the fresh air.  

I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth try. 

Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated.

Sue

 

 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update

2008-07-28 Thread wendy
Yes, non-regenerative is the bad kind of anemia.  Regenerative means that his 
red blood cells still have the capability to regenerate, which is what he needs 
to survive.  I would put my money on the doxy.  So happy to hear that he's got 
his meds and has the better of the two types of anemia.  Please keep us posted 
on sweet Buzz!
:)
Wendy

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- Original Message 
From: Sue  Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 6:21:27 PM
Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update


    
 
    Hello everyone -
    Today I got doxycycline from the vet.  It came in 50mg capsules which I have
    to open up and divide in two.  I mix half with water and give it to Buzzy 
in a
    syringe.  Half a capsule every 12 hours.  Tomorrow he goes for some kind of
    protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a transfusion.
    When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the non-regenerative
    kind.  Doesn't that mean there is more hope?  He is still eating fairly
    well.  I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins in with
    tuna.  I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to eat more that
    way.  In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit in my lap for
    a while.  He loves smelling the fresh air.  
    I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth try. 
    Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated.
    Sue


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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update

2008-07-28 Thread Marylyn
Try some liver.  I gave it to a wonderful dog who was anemic and it  
helped.  There are some vitamins (Pet Tinic comes to mind) that has  
iron in it too.


Just ideas but sometimes we have to try whatever gives us any hope.   
Dixie developed anemia very quickly.  It was regenerative but the  
suddenness and severity took her from me before we could get it  
reversed.  She had wonderful care from her regular vets and from her  
holistic vet.  If you have access to a holistic/alternative vet, you  
might contact her to see what she recommends.


Good luck to you both.  Remember, though, that the important thing is  
the love you give and the time you spend with your little friend.

On Jul 28, 2008, at 6:21 PM, Sue  Frank Koren wrote:




Hello everyone -
Today I got doxycycline from the vet.  It came in 50mg capsules  
which I have
to open up and divide in two.  I mix half with water and give it  
to Buzzy in a
syringe.  Half a capsule every 12 hours.  Tomorrow he goes for  
some kind of
protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a  
transfusion.
When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the non- 
regenerative
kind.  Doesn't that mean there is more hope?  He is still eating  
fairly
well.  I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins  
in with
tuna.  I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to  
eat more that
way.  In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit  
in my lap for

a while.  He loves smelling the fresh air.
I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth  
try.

Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated.
Sue


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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update

2008-07-28 Thread Lynne
I'm glad to hear Buzz is eating Sue and getting his medication.  I truly hope 
things take a turn for the better with him and he gets to spend a longer time 
with you.  But if it isn't meant to be, you and he just keep on enjoying that 
fresh air out on the deck and every minute you have together.  My husband would 
put BooBoo inside his jacket and take him out for fresh air when he was with 
us.  I so wanted him to live til the spring so he could sit out on the patio 
and watch the birds and enjoy the warmth.  It still saddens me so much to think 
of his loss, even though we're now blessed with Snowball.  I know what you are 
going through with all the confusion, treatments, hope for a good outcome and I 
commend you for you love of this little guy.

Lynne
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 7:21 PM
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update


  

   

  Hello everyone -

  Today I got doxycycline from the vet.  It came in 50mg capsules which I 
have

  to open up and divide in two.  I mix half with water and give it to Buzzy 
in a

  syringe.  Half a capsule every 12 hours.  Tomorrow he goes for some kind 
of

  protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a transfusion.

  When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the non-regenerative

  kind.  Doesn't that mean there is more hope?  He is still eating fairly

  well.  I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins in with

  tuna.  I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to eat more 
that

  way.  In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit in my lap 
for

  a while.  He loves smelling the fresh air.  

  I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth try. 

  Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated.

  Sue

   

   



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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update

2008-07-28 Thread Sharyl
Sue, some fresh air on the deck sounds like good medicine to me.  Glad it is 
regenerative and you got the doxy.  Usually when a kitty isn't feeling well 
several small meals per day are better.  You might try crushing up a folic acid 
tablet and adding it to his food with the vitamins.  My FeLV+ kitties get 200 
mcg of folic acid/day just as a precaution plus their Super B Complex..  
Sharyl


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From: Sue  Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 7:21 PM








    
 
    Hello everyone -
    Today I got doxycycline from the vet.  It came in 50mg capsules which I have
    to open up and divide in two.  I mix half with water and give it to Buzzy 
in a
    syringe.  Half a capsule every 12 hours.  Tomorrow he goes for some kind of
    protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a transfusion.
    When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the non-regenerative
    kind.  Doesn't that mean there is more hope?  He is still eating fairly
    well.  I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins in with
    tuna.  I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to eat more that
    way.  In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit in my lap for
    a while.  He loves smelling the fresh air.  
    I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth try. 
    Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated.
    Sue
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update

2008-07-28 Thread Jane Lyons
It is so good to hear from you Sue.  I've been hoping to see good  
news about Buzz.
I'm praying that he can make a full recovery and that you can figure  
out a diet and

supplement routine that will keep him stable.

We're pulling for you. Please keep us posted.
Jane





On Jul 28, 2008, at 7:52 PM, Sharyl wrote:

Sue, some fresh air on the deck sounds like good medicine to me.   
Glad it is regenerative and you got the doxy.  Usually when a kitty  
isn't feeling well several small meals per day are better.  You  
might try crushing up a folic acid tablet and adding it to his food  
with the vitamins.  My FeLV+ kitties get 200 mcg of folic acid/day  
just as a precaution plus their Super B Complex..


Sharyl



--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Sue  Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

From: Sue  Frank Koren [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Felvtalk] Buzz anemia update
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 7:21 PM



Hello everyone -

Today I got doxycycline from the vet.  It came in 50mg capsules  
which I have


to open up and divide in two.  I mix half with water and give  
it to Buzzy in a


syringe.  Half a capsule every 12 hours.  Tomorrow he goes for  
some kind of


protein test and possibly set him up with a specialist for a  
transfusion.


When I questioned the vet she said his anemia is not the non- 
regenerative


kind.  Doesn't that mean there is more hope?  He is still  
eating fairly


well.  I have cooked him chicken, and I am mixing some vitamins  
in with


tuna.  I feed him a little bit as often as I can; he seems to  
eat more that


way.  In a little while I will take him out on the deck to sit  
in my lap for


a while.  He loves smelling the fresh air.

I hope this message goes through to the list, this is my fourth  
try.


Thanks for all the help, more suggestions are still appreciated.

Sue



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