Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[swacht]

Hill's also has a canned  named Recovery  which is very good for syringe 
feeding - have used it for both adults and kittens.


-Original Message- 
From: Amani Oakley

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:48 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

I agree. Baby food is a life-saver option I keep in my cupboards most of the 
time. Buy the pureed beef or chicken, and it can be syringed into a sick 
cat. It is easy to digest and full of good stuff - after all, we feed it to 
babies! Many cats like the taste anyway so you can often get them to lick it 
off your finger or a plate, and it helps to get them  thinking about eating 
again. A/D diet is also quite good in that it is very soft and also can be 
fed by syringe.


Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net

Sent: May-13-16 9:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

Baby food is another option, just make sure it does not have onion or grlic 
in it.  It helped with a couple of my babies when they went off their food.


 Rachel Dagner  wrote:

Along with the AD you could try Life Gold. I know not everyone
believes in holistic treatments, but many people say it got their cats
eating again, and gave them more energy. It has a 90 day money back
guarantee in the event it does not work for you. I have been giving
this to Tucker. Also you can look into dandelion root, someone
suggested it for me when Tucker wasn’t eating, and I have found some
good information out there that it is helpful with anemia too.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On
Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM
*To:* felvtalk; felvtalk
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany



Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her
blood levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs.
She purrs and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany
wants to leave me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a
side trach tube... I am not comfortable with this due to her state. I
don't want her sedated in case she passes away from sedation. A lot of
vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where Tiffany and I live are incompetent
about feline leuk.and treat us like we are cootie filled.. I get it
she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont disrespect my
child. I plan to use the advice given to me.


--

*From: *Ardy Robertson ;
*To: *;
*Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
*Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM



Hi Roxanne,

I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do
think if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along
with the Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer.
It turned his bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I
believe it turned his anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I
also wish I would have put him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather
than Convenia because it may interfere with the virus duplicating
itself. If you do decide to try Winstrol and are unable to find it – I
do have a source for it in Arizona – a very good company. I used the
liquid and it worked well because it was salmon-flavorerd. It comes in 
other forms and flavors also.




I hope Tiffany is doing better!



Ardy





*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
*To:* Felvtalk 
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany



In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get
over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome.
She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a
feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks



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Re: [Felvtalk] A book for Amani?

[swacht]

I have just ordered that book – got it on Amazon.  I try to read even a couple 
pages at a time – not much but I love a good read.  Sounds like a good book – 
after all – it’s got a cat in it!!
I no longer have an FeLV cat but I keep up with you all – on the look out for 
new information that may help someone else.
Tiffany, I hope you can find a vet who will work with you to get Tiffany what 
she needs. 
SandyW

From: Amani Oakley 
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 12:30 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] A book for Amani?

I am a lawyer Rachel. Sadly, I don’t have too much time in my life for 
recreational reading – something I really really miss. However, when I am able 
to sneak away once in a blue moon for a holiday, I try to jam in as many books 
as I can. I will keep an eye out for the one you mention.

 

Amani

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: May-13-16 9:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] A book for Amani?

 

Amani you are a lawyer aren’t you? I don’t know if you are into reading as a 
way to de-stress, but I just came across a book that made me think of you. It 
is called Lawyer for the Cat. It’s about a little black cat who’s owner left 
him a multimillion dollar estate including in plantation in Charleston, and the 
lawyer who represents him. I think I will download it this weekend, I need 
something distract me for awhile. 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Roxanne Smith
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM
To: felvtalk; felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

 

  Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her 
blood levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She 
purrs and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to 
leave me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I 
am not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in case 
she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where 
Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us like we are 
cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont 
disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to me. 
 

 




From: Ardy Robertson ; 
To: ; 
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany 
Sent: Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM 

 

  Hi Roxanne,

  I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do 
think if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the 
Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his 
bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his 
anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put him 
on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may interfere 
with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try Winstrol and are 
unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona – a very good company. 
I used the liquid and it worked well because it was salmon-flavorerd. It comes 
in other forms and flavors also.

   

  I hope Tiffany is doing better!

   

  Ardy

   

   

  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Roxanne Smith
  Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
  To: Felvtalk 
  Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

   

In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood 
transfusions. Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to 
get over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was 
diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived 
awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks
   

   
 

 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Amani Oakley]

Lorrie

I agree with Margo. In Canada, we don't have a proper blood bank for cats yet 
(at least where I live). I believe we have one for dogs. The clinic where I 
went to, to get a blood transfusion for Zander, had clinic donor cats who were 
pets of someone, and doing it on a voluntary basis. There were also others in 
the clinic itself, and after a pretty short and defined time frame, the clinic 
would adopt out these cats. They were featured in ads on the clinic walls in 
the waiting area. I don't think these cats die from the blood donation, and the 
clinic seems pretty protective and caring about them. Still, I felt guilty, of 
course and I made a number of inquiries to be satisfied that the donor cats 
were well looked after. The second ER clinic which I now visit, has a glassed 
in area at the front where these cats are featured, along with their names, 
personalities, etc., and encouragement to adopt them.

Perhaps you have had a bad experience wherever you went, but it seems odd to me 
that a clinic would offer cat blood transfusions (which are pretty high end 
treatments) and not treat the cats well because owners who would and could 
spend that kind of money on their cats are obviously very very concerned about 
animal welfare and would expect and demand a certain level of ethical treatment 
of the donor cats.

I wouldn't hesitate to transfuse a cat, if that was needed, but it is very 
expensive and out of the range of what most people can realistically afford. 
However, this is why I was so annoyed that no one told me about the Winstrol, 
because it probably could have saved me close to $10,000, not to mention the 
trauma of a transfusion on both donor and recipient!

Amani 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: May-13-16 10:16 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany



Here's another example of "personal choice". 

I vehemently disagree. I have participated in several feline blood transfusions 
(and even more canine). The cats are sometimes lightly sedated for the 
procedure (not always), and are not in an any worse situation than when on an 
IV, or having blood drawn.

Where exactly do you get your information about "cat or cats in the vet clinic 
who often die when drained of too much blood." In the first place, most blood 
for transfusion is from blood banks. That means it's already tested for 
matching. The few clinics that still may use "Clinic Cats" fro transfusions are 
probably VERY attached to these cats, and aren't going to jeopardize their PET. 
I have taken cats of my own as donors (B cats are fairly rare, and Igor was 
very co-operative) and neither he nor the other two EVER suffered ANY adverse 
effects.

I just had a 2 1/2 year old tripod cat go into renal failure. She had two 
transfusions, needed to save her life. Yes, it was expensive. But it was no 
more traumatic than the IV she was also getting.

And she's back to terrorizing my house. Which is as it should be.

Margo


-Original Message-
>From: Lorrie 
>Sent: May 13, 2016 9:25 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
>
>I have had many FelV cats.  Most have died of anemia or other issues, 
>before reaching a year old. Others have had a long life and showed no 
>symptoms even tho they tested positive several times. I treat my FelV 
>cats as long as possible, but I will not do invasive painful treatments 
>on a FelV cat if it is obviously suffering.
>-
>
>Blood transfusions are something I will not do. They are hard on a cat 
>and very expensive. I can afford the expense, but I will not put my cat 
>thru this. I also feel for the cat or cats in the vet clinic who often 
>die when drained of too much blood.
>-
>
>I hope the Epogen helps Tiffany, but if not, please don't let her 
>suffer.
>-
>
>Lorrie and many cats
>
>On 05-12, Roxanne Smith wrote:
>> 
>>In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
>>Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get
>>over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She
>>was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline
>>tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Amani Oakley]

Roxanne

Well before I would ever let a vet insert a feeding tube into a cat’s stomach 
to deal with anorexia, I would give the Winstrol a shot. It is quite 
inexpensive and works relatively quickly, though if Tiffany is down to 4 
pounds, you will definitely have to keep her on syringed food like the baby 
food and/or the A/D diet, for quite a while – even if she responds to the 
Winstrol.

Of course her red cell numbers were better after a transfusion, because you 
just gave her red cells, white cells and platelets in the transfusion so her 
numbers will be boosted. The problem is that if she has FeLV and 
non-regenerative anemia, those numbers will gradually fall as the these 
transfused cells naturally die off. The life span of a red cell is 120 but the 
ones in the transfused blood will obviously be various ages already so some 
will die tomorrow and the next day and the day after, etc. etc., and if Tiffany 
is not producing her own cells (as is the case with FeLV) then in two or three 
months, you will be back into trouble. Check her reticulocyte count to see if 
immature red cells are being generated from the bone marrow.

Now is the time to try treatments like the Winstrol or others that people have 
suggested. Tiffany has now received an artificial boost, and she may start to 
feel better and there is a foothold for things like the Winstrol to build on. 
And DON’T wait for the numbers to drop. There is no question they will drop if 
she is not producing her own cells. Also, giving her ongoing blood transfusions 
is probably not an option. Aside from the terrible expense, the more 
transfusions, the higher the risk of eventually developing a transfusion 
reaction since the body is receiving a foreign substance and may well react to 
it. When that happens, giving another transfusion is likely to result in death. 
It’s like what happens when a person responds to something to which they are 
allergic. The first time, the reaction may be relatively mild but second 
exposure to the same antigen will often result in a very serious reaction which 
can put a person into anaphylactic shock and may kill them. So, for now, it is 
good that you have this option but recognize that it is giving you some 
breathing space to find another solution, and use the time you have to get that 
other treatment going. Frankly, I would suggest you can use several of the 
treatments if you don’t know which ones to try. With Winstrol, I did find we 
had a pretty quick response so I could see it working rather quickly. Like Ardy 
said about Tigger, the conclusion she and I reached was that Tigger’s numbers 
were very low when the Winstrol was started, and even though we saw both his 
red cells and his white cells improve, the platelets did not and I suspect that 
this may have resulted in some internal bleeding. I mentioned to Ardy that with 
my cat, Zander, we had given him a transfusion and his numbers were dropping 
but his haematocrit was still around 10 when I started the Winstrol. I think 
that may have helped to allow the Winstrol sufficient time to increase all 
three of the cell lines – I too found that the platelets responded last and 
most sluggishly.

Don’t wait. You’ve bought some time with the blood transfusion so my advice for 
you is to put that time to good use.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Roxanne Smith
Sent: May-13-16 9:09 AM
To: felvtalk; felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood 
levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs and 
is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave me. Due 
to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am not 
comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in case she 
passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where Tiffany 
and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us like we are cootie 
filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont 
disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to me.



From: Ardy Robertson >;
To: >;
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
Sent: Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM

Hi Roxanne,
I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think if I 
had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the 
Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his 
bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his 
anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put him 
on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may interfere 
with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try Winstrol and are 
unable to find it – I do have a 

Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Amani Oakley]

I agree. Baby food is a life-saver option I keep in my cupboards most of the 
time. Buy the pureed beef or chicken, and it can be syringed into a sick cat. 
It is easy to digest and full of good stuff - after all, we feed it to babies! 
Many cats like the taste anyway so you can often get them to lick it off your 
finger or a plate, and it helps to get them  thinking about eating again. A/D 
diet is also quite good in that it is very soft and also can be fed by syringe.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
dlg...@windstream.net
Sent: May-13-16 9:46 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

Baby food is another option, just make sure it does not have onion or grlic in 
it.  It helped with a couple of my babies when they went off their food.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> Along with the AD you could try Life Gold. I know not everyone 
> believes in holistic treatments, but many people say it got their cats 
> eating again, and gave them more energy. It has a 90 day money back 
> guarantee in the event it does not work for you. I have been giving 
> this to Tucker. Also you can look into dandelion root, someone 
> suggested it for me when Tucker wasn’t eating, and I have found some 
> good information out there that it is helpful with anemia too.
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
> Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith
> *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM
> *To:* felvtalk; felvtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her 
> blood levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. 
> She purrs and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany 
> wants to leave me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a 
> side trach tube... I am not comfortable with this due to her state. I 
> don't want her sedated in case she passes away from sedation. A lot of 
> vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where Tiffany and I live are incompetent 
> about feline leuk.and treat us like we are cootie filled.. I get it 
> she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont disrespect my 
> child. I plan to use the advice given to me.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> *From: *Ardy Robertson ;
> *To: *;
> *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
> *Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Roxanne,
> 
> I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do 
> think if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along 
> with the Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. 
> It turned his bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I 
> believe it turned his anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I 
> also wish I would have put him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather 
> than Convenia because it may interfere with the virus duplicating 
> itself. If you do decide to try Winstrol and are unable to find it – I 
> do have a source for it in Arizona – a very good company. I used the 
> liquid and it worked well because it was salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other 
> forms and flavors also.
> 
> 
> 
> I hope Tiffany is doing better!
> 
> 
> 
> Ardy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
> *To:* Felvtalk 
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany
> 
> 
> 
> In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
> Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get 
> over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. 
> She was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a 
> feline tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks


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Re: [Felvtalk] A book for Amani?

[Amani Oakley]

I am a lawyer Rachel. Sadly, I don’t have too much time in my life for 
recreational reading – something I really really miss. However, when I am able 
to sneak away once in a blue moon for a holiday, I try to jam in as many books 
as I can. I will keep an eye out for the one you mention.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: May-13-16 9:49 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] A book for Amani?

Amani you are a lawyer aren’t you? I don’t know if you are into reading as a 
way to de-stress, but I just came across a book that made me think of you. It 
is called Lawyer for the Cat. It’s about a little black cat who’s owner left 
him a multimillion dollar estate including in plantation in Charleston, and the 
lawyer who represents him. I think I will download it this weekend, I need 
something distract me for awhile.

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Roxanne Smith
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM
To: felvtalk; felvtalk
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood 
levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs and 
is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave me. Due 
to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am not 
comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in case she 
passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where Tiffany 
and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us like we are cootie 
filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont 
disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to me.



From: Ardy Robertson >;
To: >;
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
Sent: Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM

Hi Roxanne,
I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think if I 
had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the 
Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his 
bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his 
anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put him 
on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may interfere 
with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try Winstrol and are 
unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona – a very good company. 
I used the liquid and it worked well because it was salmon-flavorerd. It comes 
in other forms and flavors also.

I hope Tiffany is doing better!

Ardy


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Roxanne Smith
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
To: Felvtalk >
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions. Vets 
and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over this hump. 
She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was diagnosed with 
feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat lived awhile with 
feline leukemia... Thanks




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Re: [Felvtalk] Ardy please don't think I am crazy!

[kat]

Rachel,

 

If this makes you crazy, then I am right there with you!! 

 

Several of my cats (not all of them though) have come to me after they crossed over.  Mostlly via dreams, but I had been very sick at one point and as I was laying on my couch (okay, only semi-conscious) I actually felt one of my cats laying across my stomach, purring - like she used to do whenever she felt I needed it. 

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 at 10:28 AM
From: "Rachel Dagner" 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Ardy please don't think I am crazy!




Hi Ardy,

 

I have been thinking about you a lot, and wanted to share something with you, even at the risk of you and everyone else thinking I am crazy.

 

Many years ago my Mom lost her golden retriever Buffy. She had a really rough time with it. One day she called me and told me she had a dream the night before, and Buffy came to her, she was young and healthy and had her happy golden face on. She didn’t say anything, I guess because dogs can’t talk. But Mom felt she was trying to tell her that she was ok now, and happy and not to worry or be sad. I didn’t really know what to think about her dream, but was grateful it made her feel better.

 

My Grandma passed away several years ago, and Mom was going through all of the very strong emotions we feel when having to endure such a loss.  A few days after she passed my Mom was in her car getting ready to leave the house and she remembered she had wanted to water her plants. While she was in her back yard a big beautiful butterfly came along and was following her along and landing nearby her. It continued to do this for quite some time. She took a picture and sent it to me and told me she knew it was strange but she had a strong feeling it had something to do with Grandma. We later read somewhere that butterflies can be used as spiritual messengers. 

 

About a year ago, my very good friends Mother in law passed away. He told me, you know it is really weird Rachel, we were out in the garden and there were so many butterflies today. The Mother in law had loved butterflies and had pictures of them in her room. He told me they thought it was really beautiful and made them think of her. So I told him about mom and her butterfly and what we had read, and we were both like…h. 

 

So even though everyone might think I am crazy, I hope we all are lucky enough to get a sign or message that makes us feel more at peace.  I can just imagine Tigger, with all of the mischief you told us he got into, running around and having the time of his life, and not having time yet to send a message. 

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Re: [Felvtalk] Ardy please don't think I am crazy!

[dlgegg]

I BELIEVE!  When my mother was in hospital close to death I was with her and 
something cold touched my shoulder.  Mom felt it also.  Looked up and my 
grandmother was stnding at foot of the bed reaching out to her.  Then someone 
took hold of her and said not now.  Grandma dissappeared and mom got well.  I 
have had several dreams like this and all came to pass.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> Hi Ardy,
> 
> 
> 
> I have been thinking about you a lot, and wanted to share something with
> you, even at the risk of you and everyone else thinking I am crazy.
> 
> 
> 
> Many years ago my Mom lost her golden retriever Buffy. She had a really
> rough time with it. One day she called me and told me she had a dream the
> night before, and Buffy came to her, she was young and healthy and had her
> happy golden face on. She didn’t say anything, I guess because dogs can’t
> talk. But Mom felt she was trying to tell her that she was ok now, and
> happy and not to worry or be sad. I didn’t really know what to think about
> her dream, but was grateful it made her feel better.
> 
> 
> 
> My Grandma passed away several years ago, and Mom was going through all of
> the very strong emotions we feel when having to endure such a loss.  A few
> days after she passed my Mom was in her car getting ready to leave the
> house and she remembered she had wanted to water her plants. While she was
> in her back yard a big beautiful butterfly came along and was following her
> along and landing nearby her. It continued to do this for quite some time.
> She took a picture and sent it to me and told me she knew it was strange
> but she had a strong feeling it had something to do with Grandma. We later
> read somewhere that butterflies can be used as spiritual messengers.
> 
> 
> 
> About a year ago, my very good friends Mother in law passed away. He told
> me, you know it is really weird Rachel, we were out in the garden and there
> were so many butterflies today. The Mother in law had loved butterflies and
> had pictures of them in her room. He told me they thought it was really
> beautiful and made them think of her. So I told him about mom and her
> butterfly and what we had read, and we were both like…h.
> 
> 
> 
> So even though everyone might think I am crazy, I hope we all are lucky
> enough to get a sign or message that makes us feel more at peace.  I can
> just imagine Tigger, with all of the mischief you told us he got into,
> running around and having the time of his life, and not having time yet to
> send a message.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[dlgegg]

i TOOK IT WHEN I HAD CANCER.  EXPENSIVE.  i FINALLY ASKED DR IF i  COULD GIVE 
MYSELF SHOTS.  lOTS CHEAPER THAT WAY.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> Sorry that Tiffany isn’t doing well, so sad, and scary I know. Yes, they
> can live awhile and some for a long time. I looked up Epogen (because I
> never heard of it).
> 
> 
> 
> EPOGEN® is a prescription medicine used to treat a lower than normal number
> of red blood cells (anemia) caused by chronic kidney disease in patients on
> dialysis to reduce or avoid the need for red blood cell transfusions.
> 
> 
> 
> As Armani says, if you can find the Winstrol that is for sure worth a shot
> as we have seen positive results.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> NVH Tripsy is natural remedy if you want to add something like that. There
> are a lot of people who say it has really helped with their kitties very
> serious kidneys and urinary problems, so maybe, I am not an expert on
> anemia, but it says it has to do with the kidneys...?  My kitty takes it in
> hopes of preventing struvite crystals.
> 
> 
> 
> Whatever you decide to do, I will pray that little Tiffany hangs in there
> and starts feeling better soon. Please keep us updated.
> 
> 
> 
> Rachel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Roxanne Smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:57 PM
> *To:* Felvtalk
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany
> 
> 
> 
> In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
> Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over
> this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was
> diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat
> lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks


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[Felvtalk] Ardy please don't think I am crazy!

[Rachel Dagner]

Hi Ardy,



I have been thinking about you a lot, and wanted to share something with
you, even at the risk of you and everyone else thinking I am crazy.



Many years ago my Mom lost her golden retriever Buffy. She had a really
rough time with it. One day she called me and told me she had a dream the
night before, and Buffy came to her, she was young and healthy and had her
happy golden face on. She didn’t say anything, I guess because dogs can’t
talk. But Mom felt she was trying to tell her that she was ok now, and
happy and not to worry or be sad. I didn’t really know what to think about
her dream, but was grateful it made her feel better.



My Grandma passed away several years ago, and Mom was going through all of
the very strong emotions we feel when having to endure such a loss.  A few
days after she passed my Mom was in her car getting ready to leave the
house and she remembered she had wanted to water her plants. While she was
in her back yard a big beautiful butterfly came along and was following her
along and landing nearby her. It continued to do this for quite some time.
She took a picture and sent it to me and told me she knew it was strange
but she had a strong feeling it had something to do with Grandma. We later
read somewhere that butterflies can be used as spiritual messengers.



About a year ago, my very good friends Mother in law passed away. He told
me, you know it is really weird Rachel, we were out in the garden and there
were so many butterflies today. The Mother in law had loved butterflies and
had pictures of them in her room. He told me they thought it was really
beautiful and made them think of her. So I told him about mom and her
butterfly and what we had read, and we were both like…h.



So even though everyone might think I am crazy, I hope we all are lucky
enough to get a sign or message that makes us feel more at peace.  I can
just imagine Tigger, with all of the mischief you told us he got into,
running around and having the time of his life, and not having time yet to
send a message.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Margo]

Here's another example of "personal choice". 

I vehemently disagree. I have participated in several feline blood transfusions 
(and even more canine). The cats are sometimes lightly sedated for the 
procedure (not always), and are not in an any worse situation than when on an 
IV, or having blood drawn.

Where exactly do you get your information about "cat or cats in the vet clinic
who often die when drained of too much blood." In the first place, most blood 
for transfusion is from blood banks. That means it's already tested for 
matching. The few clinics that still may use "Clinic Cats" fro transfusions are 
probably VERY attached to these cats, and aren't going to jeopardize their PET. 
I have taken cats of my own as donors (B cats are fairly rare, and Igor was 
very co-operative) and neither he nor the other two EVER suffered ANY adverse 
effects.

I just had a 2 1/2 year old tripod cat go into renal failure. She had two 
transfusions, needed to save her life. Yes, it was expensive. But it was no 
more traumatic than the IV she was also getting.

And she's back to terrorizing my house. Which is as it should be.

Margo


-Original Message-
>From: Lorrie 
>Sent: May 13, 2016 9:25 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
>
>I have had many FelV cats.  Most have died of anemia or other issues,
>before reaching a year old. Others have had a long life and showed no
>symptoms even tho they tested positive several times. I treat my FelV
>cats as long as possible, but I will not do invasive painful
>treatments on a FelV cat if it is obviously suffering.
>-
>
>Blood transfusions are something I will not do. They are hard on a
>cat and very expensive. I can afford the expense, but I will not put
>my cat thru this. I also feel for the cat or cats in the vet clinic
>who often die when drained of too much blood.
>-
>
>I hope the Epogen helps Tiffany, but if not, please don't let her
>suffer.
>-
>
>Lorrie and many cats
>
>On 05-12, Roxanne Smith wrote:
>> 
>>In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
>>Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get
>>over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She
>>was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline
>>tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[dlgegg]

Baby food is another option, just make sure it does not have onion or grlic in 
it.  It helped with a couple of my babies when they went off their food.

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> Along with the AD you could try Life Gold. I know not everyone believes in
> holistic treatments, but many people say it got their cats eating again,
> and gave them more energy. It has a 90 day money back guarantee in the
> event it does not work for you. I have been giving this to Tucker. Also you
> can look into dandelion root, someone suggested it for me when Tucker
> wasn’t eating, and I have found some good information out there that it is
> helpful with anemia too.
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
> *Roxanne Smith
> *Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM
> *To:* felvtalk; felvtalk
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood
> levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs
> and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave
> me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am
> not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in
> case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin
> where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us
> like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is
> dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to
> me.
> 
> 
> --
> 
> *From: *Ardy Robertson ;
> *To: *;
> *Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
> *Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM
> 
> 
> 
> Hi Roxanne,
> 
> I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think
> if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the
> Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his
> bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his
> anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put
> him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may
> interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try
> Winstrol and are unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona –
> a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was
> salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also.
> 
> 
> 
> I hope Tiffany is doing better!
> 
> 
> 
> Ardy
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
> ] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
> *To:* Felvtalk 
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany
> 
> 
> 
> In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
> Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over
> this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was
> diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat
> lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks


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[Felvtalk] A book for Amani?

[Rachel Dagner]

Amani you are a lawyer aren’t you? I don’t know if you are into reading as
a way to de-stress, but I just came across a book that made me think of
you. It is called Lawyer for the Cat. It’s about a little black cat who’s
owner left him a multimillion dollar estate including in plantation in
Charleston, and the lawyer who represents him. I think I will download it
this weekend, I need something distract me for awhile.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM
*To:* felvtalk; felvtalk
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany



Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood
levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs
and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave
me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am
not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in
case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin
where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us
like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is
dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to
me.


--

*From: *Ardy Robertson ;
*To: *;
*Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
*Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM



Hi Roxanne,

I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think
if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the
Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his
bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his
anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put
him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may
interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try
Winstrol and are unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona –
a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was
salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also.



I hope Tiffany is doing better!



Ardy





*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
*To:* Felvtalk 
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany



In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over
this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was
diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat
lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Rachel Dagner]

Along with the AD you could try Life Gold. I know not everyone believes in
holistic treatments, but many people say it got their cats eating again,
and gave them more energy. It has a 90 day money back guarantee in the
event it does not work for you. I have been giving this to Tucker. Also you
can look into dandelion root, someone suggested it for me when Tucker
wasn’t eating, and I have found some good information out there that it is
helpful with anemia too.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM
*To:* felvtalk; felvtalk
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany



Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood
levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs
and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave
me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am
not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in
case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin
where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us
like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is
dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to
me.


--

*From: *Ardy Robertson ;
*To: *;
*Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
*Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM



Hi Roxanne,

I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think
if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the
Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his
bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his
anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put
him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may
interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try
Winstrol and are unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona –
a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was
salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also.



I hope Tiffany is doing better!



Ardy





*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
*To:* Felvtalk 
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany



In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over
this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was
diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat
lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Rachel Dagner]

How horrible they make you feel that way! Some people are just ignorant,
and not much we can do about that. Vets are here to help us care for our
sick animals not make us feel worse. Shameful. Have they suggested AD
prescription diet from Hills? It is high calorie and easy to syringe
because of the consistency. There are some good videos on You Tube showing
you exactly how to do it. I had to syringe feed Tucker AD for awhile until
he started eating again. You could try this first instead of the tube.
Sometimes after syringing awhile cats will even eat the AD on their own. Or
hopefully feel better as they improve and get their appetite back.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Friday, May 13, 2016 9:09 AM
*To:* felvtalk; felvtalk
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany



Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood
levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs
and is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave
me. Due to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am
not comfortable with this due to her state. I don't want her sedated in
case she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin
where Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us
like we are cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is
dangerous but dont disrespect my child. I plan to use the advice given to
me.


--

*From: *Ardy Robertson ;
*To: *;
*Subject: *Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
*Sent: *Fri, May 13, 2016 3:46:39 AM



Hi Roxanne,

I just lost my 5-1/2 year old FeLV+ male cat - Tigger – however I do think
if I had gotten him on the Winstrol (Stanozolol) sooner, along with the
Prednisolone, he would have had a chance of making it longer. It turned his
bone marrow back on to producing blood cells, and I believe it turned his
anemia from non-regenerative to regenerative. I also wish I would have put
him on the antibiotic Doxycycline rather than Convenia because it may
interfere with the virus duplicating itself. If you do decide to try
Winstrol and are unable to find it – I do have a source for it in Arizona –
a very good company. I used the liquid and it worked well because it was
salmon-flavorerd. It comes in other forms and flavors also.



I hope Tiffany is doing better!



Ardy





*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org
] *On Behalf Of *Roxanne Smith
*Sent:* Thursday, May 12, 2016 11:57 AM
*To:* Felvtalk 
*Subject:* [Felvtalk] Tiffany



In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get over
this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She was
diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline tgat
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

[Lorrie]

I have had many FelV cats.  Most have died of anemia or other issues,
before reaching a year old. Others have had a long life and showed no
symptoms even tho they tested positive several times. I treat my FelV
cats as long as possible, but I will not do invasive painful
treatments on a FelV cat if it is obviously suffering.
-

Blood transfusions are something I will not do. They are hard on a
cat and very expensive. I can afford the expense, but I will not put
my cat thru this. I also feel for the cat or cats in the vet clinic
who often die when drained of too much blood.
-

I hope the Epogen helps Tiffany, but if not, please don't let her
suffer.
-

Lorrie and many cats

On 05-12, Roxanne Smith wrote:
> 
>In the last two weeks my poor Tiffany has had three blood transfusions.
>Vets and nurses all feel she has a will to live. We just need to get
>over this hump. She will now be on epogen. Any feedback is welcome. She
>was diagnosed with feline leukemia a year ago. Has anyone had a feline
>tgat lived awhile with feline leukemia... Thanks

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[Roxanne Smith]

Thanks to all who has given advice. We went to vet last night and her blood 
levels have improved. However, Since December she is down 4 lbs. She purrs and 
is a good girl. I will keep moving forward until Tiffany wants to leave me. Due 
to her lack of eating they want to put in a side trach tube... I am not 
comfortable with this due to her state. I dont want her sedated in case 
she passes away from sedation. A lot of vets in Milwaukee Wisconsin where 
Tiffany and I live are incompetent about feline leuk.and treat us like we are 
cootie filled.. I get it she is sick and feline leukemia is dangerous but dont 
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