Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[Ardy Robertson]

Thanks Kat – I did not realize that….but like you, I was curious :)

 

Ardy

 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of kat
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

 

Ardy,

 

The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said "So far, 
most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time."  But like 
you, I would like to know what her protocol has been to be so successful.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
To: 'Amy'  >, 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

Hi Lorrie – if you don’t mind me asking, what do you mean by “most cats you 
have taken in have converted after some time”? Does that mean they no longer 
have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?

 

Thank you,

Ardy 

 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com  ; 
felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

 

Lorrie,

 

That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill 
rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for 
them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives 
of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our 
building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our 
rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I 
able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run 
both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it 
off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one 
in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks 
for helping these kitties

 

Let me know!

Thanks Amy

 

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From: Lorrie 
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Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary


>
>Lorrie,
>
>Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
>
>Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Ardy Robertson]

Hi Lorrie - I believe that is why I was keeping Tigger on an antibiotic - in
case he started getting something due to his immune system. I just wish I
would have used doxycycline rather than convenia. Amani can clarify a bit
perhaps.
Ardy



-Original Message-
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Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also
compromises the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone does?

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

[Ardy Robertson]

Thank you Lorrie - for the clarification. With Tigger I really hoped he
would either become negative or just a carrier and not actively ill after
his interferon treatments, but that was not to be. I wish I had started him
on Winstrol earlier. But you know, if I had not kept him because of him
being positive (when he actually tested negative as a kitten), I would never
have known the greatest love from a cat I have ever had. I have had cats my
entire life and Tigger showed us so much love. Some people don't believe
animals can actually care for humans, other than because they receive their
care from their humans. We know that isn't true -- he loved us and we loved
him. I'm so grateful to have had him for the time we did.

Ardy

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Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 10:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

Hi Ardy,  As you probably know we rescue and have 13 cats at home plus 28
more in our cageless sanctuary. Therefore we've had many cats who have
tested positive for FelV.  Most were kittens and they were isolated in our
isolation rooms, and they seemed so playful and well I couldn't believe they
had the FelV virus, then one by one at about
8 months old they suddenly started to get very sick. The longest any of
these kittens lived was 1 1/2 years.  They died of either anemia, cancer, or
tumors, and had to be euthanized.  Kittens seem to have a worse time with
FelV than grown cats because the immune system of kittens is not fully
developed, and they usually die.  However, this isn't always the case.  We
have two grown cats who tested positive as kittens and lived many years. One
is about 9 now and seems fine, the other one seemed fine and suddenly just
died with no signs of illness at all.  I do not know if these two cats
converted back to negative or not, as they are/were sanctuary cats  who were
born of a feral mother, and they were very skittish. Only one of them was
tested again and she was still positive when spayed at two years old. 
-

FelV is a very complicated virus and we continue learn as much as possible
about it. With FelV I understand three things can happen. A positive cat can
either convert to negative, or carry the virus all it's life and show no
symptoms, or die, usually in their first year.
-

I don't recall saying "most cats have converted after some time", as sadly
"most' don't.  I don't think anyone really knows why some cats can live with
the virus, others can convert, and some die. It's an awful virus, and I'm
sorry your Tigger was one of the cats who didn't make it.

Lorrie
-

On 05-17, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>Hi Lorrie - if you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by "most cats
>you have taken in have converted after some time"? Does that mean they
>no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
> 
> 
>Thank you,
> 
>Ardy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Oh Marsha, you don't need that counselor anyways. We all understand why you 
spent money on your animals. We have all done it. No counselor is going to give 
us the love and emotional peace that an animal does. I would agree that we all 
need to step back and take and take a look at what is financially possible in 
each of our life situations with regards to helping our animals. It doesn't 
matter if we are rich or poor we just all do the best we can, I for one will 
support you no matter what. Just like with Bob we have to help him do the best 
he can with his circumstances.  It doesn't matter if he fails or succeeds with 
his babies. What matters is that he tried and did the best he could for them 
when no one else would and that they got to experience love and caring when 
they might never have had that opportunity. I am heartbroken knowing you are 
having such a hard time, I am right there with you, just trying to take one day 
at a time and make it through. We will both survive this Marsha,
  it's so very hard, but we are both going to get through it just doing the 
best we can. 
Please talk to us whenever you need to, I promise to be here for you. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 8:55 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> 
> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
> plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that 
> I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said he loves 
> animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too 
> much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any 
> more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  All my brain processed was 
> the word "good", which made his statement come across as highly judgemental.  
> I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless after I left.  Two things I was 
> seeking help for.  I don't need that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that 
> lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how 
> would you treat it?  Plus I was very depressed and crying because the last 
> time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have 
> Noelle to care for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked 
> common sense 
 in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
>> On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> Rachel
>> 
>> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
>> they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
>> one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
>> sake??
>> 
>> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
>> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
>> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
>> save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
>> people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
>> no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
>> wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
>> deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
>> devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, 
>> there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a 
>> poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
>> 
>> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
>> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
>> 
>> Amani
> 
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[Felvtalk] Thank you

[Marsha]

I would like to sincerely thank you all who sent condolences on my loss 
of Brock, and showed so much compassion and support.  So many kind 
words!  Brock was my last FeLV+ cat, and now his (and Harley's and 
Milkdud's) garage domain feels so empty and quiet. The toddler slide I 
bought for Brock sits unassembled.  I had to buy mouse traps for the 
first time since 2009 (caught 2 since Brock died).  "The Sound of 
Silence" performed by Disturbed has become their memorial song.  The 
main house, however, is not so silent.  11 cats remain (1 for not much 
longer), and a few of them get pretty chatty.  LOUDLY chatty.  :-P


All those who care for special needs cats are the bravest of the brave, 
and anybody (ESPECIALLY a therapist or counselor) who gets judgey about 
it - well those people can just go stuff it.


Marsha

(who looked for compassion and support in the wrong place, but found it 
here, with people who understand.  Again, thank you so much.)



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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

What a complete and utter idiot.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: May-18-16 8:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my plate.  
During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that I lacked 
common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said he loves animals too, 
and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat 
too much, etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take 
in, he said, "Good for you!"  
All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement come 
across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless 
after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need that kind of 
help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any 
way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus I was very depressed 
and crying because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before Brock 
died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell 
him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes 
of depression.

Marsha


On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
> Rachel
>
> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
> put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one 
> could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??
>
> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
> them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people 
> who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no 
> avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful 
> wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little 
> sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this 
> earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all 
> more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw 
> any love or kindness.
>
> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
>
> Amani


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Marsha]

I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me 
that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said 
he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - 
some drink too much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I 
wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  
All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement 
come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more 
hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need 
that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a 
diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus 
I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this 
counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care 
for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked common 
sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.


Marsha


On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Rachel

I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one could 
cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??

My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people who 
don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no avoiding it 
or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful wonderful thing 
and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little sweetheart who also 
should know someone's love and devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it 
kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and 
intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.

We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.

Amani



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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[dlgegg]

I agree.  Someone has to care for them.  Would do the same for people, but they 
won't let an old woman tke in children.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Rachel
> 
> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
> put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one 
> could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??
> 
> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
> them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people 
> who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no 
> avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful 
> wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little 
> sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this 
> earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all 
> more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw 
> any love or kindness.
> 
> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM
> To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming 
> to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about 
> everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and 
> how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep 
> going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person 
> who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone 
> to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out 
> eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep 
> searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is 
> helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
> > tomorrow will be better.
> > 
> > All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
> > and ease the way.
> > 
> > My thoughts are with you. 
> > 
> > Margo
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> >> From: Rachel Dagner 
> >> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >> 
> >> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Lorrie
> >>> 
> >>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy 
> >>> was able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and 
> >>> the vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
> >>> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
> >>> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
> >>> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
> >>> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they 
> >>> carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you 
> >>> get the tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's 
> >>> one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. 
> >>> However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so 
> >>> again, this is an option.
> >>> 
> >>> Let us know when you find it. 
> >>> 
> >>> Amani
> >>> 
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >>> Lorrie
> >>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
> >>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >>> 
> >>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you 
> >>> sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune 
> >>> system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

I am quite ferocious when dealing with the defendants in my cases. No question 
about it - I am not popular on the other side of the table, but my clients are 
my biggest fans. However, I am reduced to a little puddle in other situations - 
especially dealing with defenceless animals.

-Original Message-
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Dagner
Sent: May-18-16 8:15 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

So funny, I am sure we would cry about the lamp together! Whenever we are are 
watching tv and anyone is crying for any reason at all Harry looks over at me 
and then rolls his eyes because I am crying too. And I think of you as the 
strongest one of us all, maybe there is hope for me yet! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Rachel
> 
> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
> put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one 
> could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??
> 
> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
> them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people 
> who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no 
> avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful 
> wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little 
> sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this 
> earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all 
> more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw 
> any love or kindness.
> 
> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM
> To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming 
> to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about 
> everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and 
> how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep 
> going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person 
> who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone 
> to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out 
> eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep 
> searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is 
> helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
>> tomorrow will be better.
>> 
>> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
>> and ease the way.
>> 
>> My thoughts are with you. 
>> 
>> Margo
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rachel Dagner 
>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>> 
>>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
 
 Lorrie
 
 The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
 able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the 
 vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
 directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
 The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
 were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
 veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry 
 Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the 
 tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one 
 reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. 
 However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so 
 again, this is an option.
 
 Let us know when you find it. 
 
 Amani
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 Lorrie
 Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
 To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

So funny, I am sure we would cry about the lamp together! Whenever we are are 
watching tv and anyone is crying for any reason at all Harry looks over at me 
and then rolls his eyes because I am crying too. And I think of you as the 
strongest one of us all, maybe there is hope for me yet! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Rachel
> 
> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
> put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one 
> could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??
> 
> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
> them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people 
> who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no 
> avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful 
> wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little 
> sweetheart who also should know someone's love and devotion, while on this 
> earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all 
> more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw 
> any love or kindness.
> 
> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
> 
> Amani 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM
> To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming 
> to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about 
> everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and 
> how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep 
> going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person 
> who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone 
> to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out 
> eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep 
> searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is 
> helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
>> tomorrow will be better.
>> 
>> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
>> and ease the way.
>> 
>> My thoughts are with you. 
>> 
>> Margo
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Rachel Dagner 
>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>> 
>>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
 
 Lorrie
 
 The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
 able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the 
 vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
 directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
 The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
 were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
 veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry 
 Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the 
 tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one 
 reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. 
 However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so 
 again, this is an option.
 
 Let us know when you find it. 
 
 Amani
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
 Lorrie
 Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
 To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
 
 Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you 
 sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune 
 system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Rachel

I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where they 
put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought one could 
cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness sake??

My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who save 
them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the people who 
don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is no avoiding it 
or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly wonderful wonderful thing 
and you go on to find another unbelievably deserving little sweetheart who also 
should know someone's love and devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it 
kills me to lose my babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and 
intensely painful to me than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.

We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.

Amani 

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM
To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming to 
terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about everyone 
on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and how 
wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep going. I 
know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person who can't 
watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone to a funeral 
without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out eyes the next day. 
I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep searching for and pulling 
on that inner strength, and everyone on here is helping me do that, I am very 
grateful for each and every one of you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
> tomorrow will be better.
> 
> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
> and ease the way.
> 
> My thoughts are with you. 
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Rachel Dagner 
>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorrie
>>> 
>>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
>>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly 
>>> to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I 
>>> used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy 
>>> for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary 
>>> pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol 
>>> (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. 
>>> They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go 
>>> for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously 
>>> it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
>>> 
>>> Let us know when you find it. 
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Lorrie
>>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
>>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>> 
>>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you 
>>> sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune 
>>> system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming to 
terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about everyone 
on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and how 
wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep going. I 
know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person who can't 
watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone to a funeral 
without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out eyes the next day. 
I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep searching for and pulling 
on that inner strength, and everyone on here is helping me do that, I am very 
grateful for each and every one of you.

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
> tomorrow will be better.
> 
> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
> and ease the way.
> 
> My thoughts are with you. 
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Rachel Dagner 
>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Lorrie
>>> 
>>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
>>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly 
>>> to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I 
>>> used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy 
>>> for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary 
>>> pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol 
>>> (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. 
>>> They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go 
>>> for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously 
>>> it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
>>> 
>>> Let us know when you find it. 
>>> 
>>> Amani
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Lorrie
>>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
>>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>> 
>>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you 
>>> sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune 
>>> system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Rachel Dagner]

Ok thank you for sharing that with me, he just came out here on the porch and 
started playing with a toy so maybe I am over paranoid. I think I will take him 
in regardless. Remember when I took him at first and she had a hard time 
hearing his heart and the next time she could hear it fine and thought the mass 
had shrunk down? Well maybe if she listens to his heart it will help me decide 
if I want more prednisone and talk to her about Winstrol. I just wish blood 
work wasn't $150 each time. And weekly? Ouch.   

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Rachel, I don't think it can "fix" cancer but I think it can help the 
> surrounding issues that accompany the cancer. I used it on a 16 year old cat 
> with a huge nasal sarcoma, and it kept her eating, putting a bit of weight on 
> her (she was a tiny fragile little feral cat who had been in our home since 
> she was a year old). The vet who was treating her cancer with radiation 
> therapy, was absolutely amazed regarding how well she was doing with this 
> giant tumour and the radiation therapy, etc. She lived to age 19. She was one 
> where we saw a very dramatic spike of her liver enzymes on the Winstrol - I 
> discontinued for a few weeks until the enzymes dropped back down to not so 
> bad levels - but there was never any sign of actual liver problems like 
> jaundice or cancer, etc. The vet who was looking supervising her care is a 
> good friend of ours who (a) knew not to argue with me and (b) knew of the 
> great results I had had with Zander. He is the head of oncology at the 
> leading vet university
>  programme in Canada. However, he agreed with my logic. Katrina was doomed 
> and the best we could do was to keep her as comfortable as possible for as 
> long as possible. He agreed there was little downside risk in trying the 
> Winstrol. The tumour shrunk BEFORE we ever tried the radiation therapy on 
> her, and he said that if we had gotten that result AFTER the radiation 
> therapy, he would have declared the radiation therapy a success. The tumour 
> didn't disappear of course, but definitely shrunk - probably a little bit of 
> anti-inflammatory effect. I had her on both the Winstrol and the prednisone.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 5:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to 
>> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used 
>> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me 
>> to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in 
>> your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). 
>> You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to 
>> cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - 
>> you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give 
>> a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
>> 
>> Let us know when you find it. 
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Lorrie
>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. 
>> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
>> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Margo]

I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
tomorrow will be better.

All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, and 
ease the way.

My thoughts are with you. 

Margo


-Original Message-
>From: Rachel Dagner 
>Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
>> 
>> Lorrie
>> 
>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
>> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
>> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to 
>> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used 
>> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me 
>> to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in 
>> your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). 
>> You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to 
>> cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - 
>> you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give 
>> a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
>> 
>> Let us know when you find it. 
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Lorrie
>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. 
>> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
>> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Rachel, I don't think it can "fix" cancer but I think it can help the 
surrounding issues that accompany the cancer. I used it on a 16 year old cat 
with a huge nasal sarcoma, and it kept her eating, putting a bit of weight on 
her (she was a tiny fragile little feral cat who had been in our home since she 
was a year old). The vet who was treating her cancer with radiation therapy, 
was absolutely amazed regarding how well she was doing with this giant tumour 
and the radiation therapy, etc. She lived to age 19. She was one where we saw a 
very dramatic spike of her liver enzymes on the Winstrol - I discontinued for a 
few weeks until the enzymes dropped back down to not so bad levels - but there 
was never any sign of actual liver problems like jaundice or cancer, etc. The 
vet who was looking supervising her care is a good friend of ours who (a) knew 
not to argue with me and (b) knew of the great results I had had with Zander. 
He is the head of oncology at the leading vet university program
 me in Canada. However, he agreed with my logic. Katrina was doomed and the 
best we could do was to keep her as comfortable as possible for as long as 
possible. He agreed there was little downside risk in trying the Winstrol. The 
tumour shrunk BEFORE we ever tried the radiation therapy on her, and he said 
that if we had gotten that result AFTER the radiation therapy, he would have 
declared the radiation therapy a success. The tumour didn't disappear of 
course, but definitely shrunk - probably a little bit of anti-inflammatory 
effect. I had her on both the Winstrol and the prednisone.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel 
Dagner
Sent: May-18-16 5:52 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to 
> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used 
> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me to 
> give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in your 
> area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You 
> want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to cut 
> (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you 
> can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give a 
> single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
> 
> Let us know when you find it. 
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Lorrie
> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. 
> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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[Rachel Dagner]

I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Lorrie
> 
> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet 
> could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to 
> Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used 
> and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me to 
> give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in your 
> area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You 
> want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to cut 
> (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you 
> can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give a 
> single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.
> 
> Let us know when you find it. 
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Lorrie
> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. 
> I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
> intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Lorrie

The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was able 
to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet could 
fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to Ardy. 
She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used and 
really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me to give. 
If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in your area and 
contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 
mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just 
crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a 
day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, 
so again, this is an option.

Let us know when you find it. 

Amani

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Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent. I 
am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I 
intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!





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[Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Lorrie]

Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you
sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the
immune system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!





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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

Lorrie

I should add that when I got the original tablets, I got them from a vet for a 
cat who was diagnosed by the vet as having FIP. When I asked the vet what could 
be done, he basically told me nothing could be done for the cat. He prescribed 
the Winstrol and told me that it would help with appetite and keeping the cat's 
strength up. I had never heard of Winstrol and had no idea what it was. That 
was probably in the mid to late 90's. The poor cat didn't make it more than a 
few more days and I had just filled the prescription but didn't have time to 
give him any of it. The vial full of pills sat in my drawer where I keep all 
the animal medications (and no, I never throw any away - if faced with a very 
sick cat found on the side of the road on a Saturday evening of a long weekend, 
my perspective has always been something is better than nothing - too many bad 
experiences where I had to wait to take in a sick animal). So, all I knew about 
Winstrol was that it was something that might 
 help with appetite and overall wellbeing. When we had tried everything to 
reverse the persistent non-regenerative anemia and other FeLV effects for my 
darling little Zander, and blood transfusions were no longer a possibility 
because he had had a transfusion reaction, I literally opened up my drawer and 
went through everything I had and the only thing was this Winstrol and I 
figured, "what the hell!" - my baby was dying and nothing was working.

You could have knocked me over with a feather when I started seeing some 
pinkening in his ivory white gums and inner ears, in a few days. I figured I 
was desperate and hallucinating, but my husband thought he saw it too. And the 
weekly blood results I was running, showed a small increase in his haematocrit 
from 10 to 12 and still we were obviously skeptical. I mean, how likely is it 
that something rolling around in my drawer for a decade could do what none of 
the vets said was possible - to turn back on his bone marrow to get red cells 
produced again?

Only after my weekly blood work and Zander recovering fully from a state that 
every vet said was the end of the road - the virus having infiltrated his bone 
marrow and the bone marrow now being filled with infected cells that cannot 
produce red cells or other blood cells - did I allow myself to believe that 
this might well be a treatment option. Winstrol seems to be able to allow the 
body to begin producing good cells again. As far as I can see, having looked at 
this from many many different angles as I tried to understand it scientifically 
and medically, there is no other explanation that fits other than that the 
Winstrol can possibly turn back on the bone marrow and allow the bone marrow to 
start producing normal haematopoetic cells again, which are the progenitor 
cells that make red cells, white cells and platelets. I feel substantiated in 
my conclusion, by the fact that Winstrol is used in humans to treat difficult 
to treat anemias. In the entry on WikiHow, it also states
  that it is "commonly used by veterinarians on debilitated animals (especially 
dogs and horses) to improve muscle growth, trigger red cell production, 
increase bone density and enhance appetite". I don't agree that it is "commonly 
used", but clearly the vet who originally gave it to me was providing it 
precisely because my cat was "debilitated" and for no other reason.

Obviously, its propensity to increase red cell production, increase bone 
density, bulk up a debilitated animal and increase appetite, are all 
characteristics we desperately need in our fight against FeLV, and I would 
guess that it is quite compatible with other forms of treatment if someone were 
to add to other things they were trying.

Because of its ability to make a sick cat feel better, increase appetite, bulk 
up a thin, fragile cat, etc., this is the reason I have used in so many other 
situations other than just FeLV, and as I have posted many times, I have gotten 
very good results in most situations. Generally speaking, it helps heal damaged 
tissue (like a spinal lesion in one cat, and a torn knee ligament in Zander) 
and that's obviously one of the reasons that athletes use it too.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani 
Oakley
Sent: May-18-16 3:05 PM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

No it doesn't Lorrie. It is a different kind of steroid, not a corticosteroid. 
It is an anabolic steroid which literally means building up - it causes an 
increase in chemical reactions that synthesize molecules into the complex 
structures of tissue - ie - it builds up muscle, tissue, etc.

Amani

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie
Sent: May-18-16 1:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Does anyone know (Amani probably will) 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

[Rachel Dagner]

Bob - I forgot to tell you, if you can't afford the mirtazapine or want to
try something else first they suggest Dandelion Root a lot on the kitty
holistic site I am on for increasing appetite. You might be able to get it
at Walmart or a drug store pretty inexpensively. Make sure you get it in
caps so you can open them, and you want to give way less than the
recommended for humans. Here is what Web MD says about it in case you are
interested. I wouldn't let them go too long without getting enough food in
them though, even if you have to try the syringe method I told you about
with the AD food from your vet as a source of nutrition. If you lived close
I would come right over and help you!

http://www.webmd.com/vitamins-supplements/ingredientmono-706-DANDELION.aspx?activeIngredientId=706=DANDELION

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ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 2:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

Ardy et al:

Typical of vets...  I went to a new one who was very pleasant and made no
suggestion of putting my guy down( suggesting euthanasia is NOT typical of
vets around my parts...at least no one that I would go to since I ask a LOT
of people before I go)   My guy ( Yogi's) Blood work is normal at this point
but this was via a phone message and I want a copy of the values
One thing I HAVE noticed ,even about the "nice" vets who don't immediately
suggest euthanasia is that they do NOT encourage experimenting with
supplements and meds that might extend lifespan.   This vet, while
pleasant suggested I not treat any of his current ills and just " love him
and feed him well until his time comes" ( though did suggest mirtazapine to
stimulate his appetite ( he's not a good eater)... She said he " looked
good" as yet.BTW...  I am retired and on a VERY limited income so I
have to be quite careful as to the money I spend  I had not budgeted for
pets when I retired...
didn't really expect that I would have any more after my dog died but
volunteering at the shelter I simply didn't feel right that all these
animals had no homes and here _I_ was WITH a home and not offering it to a
needy animal...  Without going into detail , my own life expectancy is not
all that long and I wanted to adopt an animal that would not outlive me
These guys most likely will not but that does not mean that I want them NOT
to have a chance at a long lifeSo... I am taking whatever steps I can to
keep them healthy I just WISH they would eat wet food or even HUMAN
food!!   I have NEVER had a cat ( and I've had quite a few throughout my
life) that turned their nose up at table foodHeck..they would kill each
other for who got the dropped piece of chicken!! These guys lose
interest in ANYTHING I give them ( except when they think they are getting
away with something : )   So now I "accidently" drop food on the floor quite
a bit and they eat it upBUT... they will not eat it if I add ANY form of
supplementso  I've got to grab them a couple to three times a day
and administer everything via dropper and slosh the enisyl ( Lysine) across
their mouths and paws   They are easy to give eye drops to and I can get
very small pills into them without losing all the skin on my hands and
forearms but it's getting weary having to _ catch_ them now that I am the _
medicine_ guy to them ( if they were more food hounds I would have a lot
more positive creds as the fellow who feeds them but they are just cats who
eat to live...don't even go crazy for treats makes things a bit more of
a challenge but... like all of you... I adore them and will see to it
that they get what they need... Again...SO appreciative of this listserv...
best info around!!

Bob


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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Amani Oakley]

No it doesn't Lorrie. It is a different kind of steroid, not a corticosteroid. 
It is an anabolic steroid which literally means building up - it causes an 
increase in chemical reactions that synthesize molecules into the complex 
structures of tissue - ie - it builds up muscle, tissue, etc.

Amani

-Original Message-
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Sent: May-18-16 1:00 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also compromises 
the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone does?

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

[Rachel Dagner]

Hi Bob,

As you know, I am giving my cat several supplements, I mix them all into a
little bit of AD (prescription high calorie)cat food, you should be able to
get some from your vet without any hassle. You can also use canned pumpkin
for the consistency (and cheap) I use a small cheese spread knife to load
the mixture into a syringe (my vet gives me syringes free). Then I put a
hand towel on my counter and sit him down on it. I wrap a big towel around
him (the towel centered at his chest and wrapped around to his back so he
front paws are immobile) and hold him gently in place (and give him lots of
kisses and tell him how good he is) then I gently put the tip of the syringe
in the corner of his mouth, until he opens. I give him small bites, pausing
a bit between each to let him take a break and swallow (and give kisses!) I
do this until I have gotten it all in him. You could try this with your meds
and supplements. You for sure sound like you need add an appetite stimulant
whether it be a natural supplement or medicinal.

Rachel

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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 2:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

Ardy et al:

Typical of vets...  I went to a new one who was very pleasant and made no
suggestion of putting my guy down( suggesting euthanasia is NOT typical of
vets around my parts...at least no one that I would go to since I ask a LOT
of people before I go)   My guy ( Yogi's) Blood work is normal at this point
but this was via a phone message and I want a copy of the values
One thing I HAVE noticed ,even about the "nice" vets who don't immediately
suggest euthanasia is that they do NOT encourage experimenting with
supplements and meds that might extend lifespan.   This vet, while
pleasant suggested I not treat any of his current ills and just " love him
and feed him well until his time comes" ( though did suggest mirtazapine to
stimulate his appetite ( he's not a good eater)... She said he " looked
good" as yet.BTW...  I am retired and on a VERY limited income so I
have to be quite careful as to the money I spend  I had not budgeted for
pets when I retired...
didn't really expect that I would have any more after my dog died but
volunteering at the shelter I simply didn't feel right that all these
animals had no homes and here _I_ was WITH a home and not offering it to a
needy animal...  Without going into detail , my own life expectancy is not
all that long and I wanted to adopt an animal that would not outlive me
These guys most likely will not but that does not mean that I want them NOT
to have a chance at a long lifeSo... I am taking whatever steps I can to
keep them healthy I just WISH they would eat wet food or even HUMAN
food!!   I have NEVER had a cat ( and I've had quite a few throughout my
life) that turned their nose up at table foodHeck..they would kill each
other for who got the dropped piece of chicken!! These guys lose
interest in ANYTHING I give them ( except when they think they are getting
away with something : )   So now I "accidently" drop food on the floor quite
a bit and they eat it upBUT... they will not eat it if I add ANY form of
supplementso  I've got to grab them a couple to three times a day
and administer everything via dropper and slosh the enisyl ( Lysine) across
their mouths and paws   They are easy to give eye drops to and I can get
very small pills into them without losing all the skin on my hands and
forearms but it's getting weary having to _ catch_ them now that I am the _
medicine_ guy to them ( if they were more food hounds I would have a lot
more positive creds as the fellow who feeds them but they are just cats who
eat to live...don't even go crazy for treats makes things a bit more of
a challenge but... like all of you... I adore them and will see to it
that they get what they need... Again...SO appreciative of this listserv...
best info around!!

Bob


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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy et al:

Typical of vets...  I went to a new one who was very pleasant and made 
no suggestion of putting my guy down( suggesting euthanasia is 
NOT typical of vets around my parts...at least no one that I would go to 
since I ask a LOT of people before I go)   My guy ( Yogi's) Blood work 
is normal at this point but this was via a phone message and I want a 
copy of the values  One thing I HAVE noticed ,even about the 
"nice" vets who don't immediately suggest euthanasia is that they do NOT 
encourage experimenting with supplements and meds that might extend 
lifespan.   This vet, while pleasant suggested I not treat any of 
his current ills and just " love him and feed him well until his time 
comes" ( though did suggest mirtazapine to stimulate his appetite ( he's 
not a good eater)... She said he " looked good" as yet.    BTW...  I 
am retired and on a VERY limited income so I have to be quite careful as 
to the money I spend  I had not budgeted for pets when I retired... 
didn't really expect that I would have any more after my dog died but 
volunteering at the shelter I simply didn't feel right that all these 
animals had no homes and here _I_ was WITH a home and not offering it to 
a needy animal...  Without going into detail , my own life expectancy is 
not all that long and I wanted to adopt an animal that would not outlive 
me These guys most likely will not but that does not mean that I 
want them NOT to have a chance at a long lifeSo... I am taking 
whatever steps I can to keep them healthy I just WISH they would eat 
wet food or even HUMAN food!!   I have NEVER had a cat ( and I've had 
quite a few throughout my life) that turned their nose up at table 
foodHeck..they would kill each other for who got the dropped piece 
of chicken!! These guys lose interest in ANYTHING I give them ( 
except when they think they are getting away with something : )   So now 
I "accidently" drop food on the floor quite a bit and they eat it 
upBUT... they will not eat it if I add ANY form of 
supplementso  I've got to grab them a couple to three times a 
day and administer everything via dropper and slosh the enisyl ( Lysine) 
across their mouths and paws   They are easy to give eye drops to 
and I can get very small pills into them without losing all the skin on 
my hands and forearms but it's getting weary having to _ catch_ them now 
that I am the _ medicine_ guy to them ( if they were more food hounds I 
would have a lot more positive creds as the fellow who feeds them but 
they are just cats who eat to live...don't even go crazy for treats  
makes things a bit more of a challenge but... like all of you... I 
adore them and will see to it that they get what they need...   
Again...SO appreciative of this listserv... best info around!!


Bob


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Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 22:41:59 -0500
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Bob,
After having just gone through this with my Tigger, I wholeheartedly 
agree with the treatment options Amani is outlining. And better to get 
started very very soon!

Ardy



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Of Amani Oakley

Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 7:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Hi Bob

As I am not sure exactly what is wrong with your little boy's eye, I 
can only suggest a more general approach. I have had good results with 
rinsing a cat's eyes with daily contact lens solution. The solution is 
mostly just saline but it usually contains very small amounts of 
disinfectants so as to disinfect contact lenses but is safe to put 
into your eye. I will rinse a cat's eyes with the contact lens 
solution multiple times a day if I can. This often helps to soothe the 
eye and address some infections. You can alternate this with the 
antibiotic/steroid cream you were provided.


If it is burst capillaries, then it may be that his platelet count is 
low and there may be some bleeding. The cortisone in the eye cream may 
help reduce any inflammation and that may help.

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

[Lorrie]

Does anyone know (Amani probably will) if an anabolic steroid also
compromises the cat's immune system as steroid like Prednisolone
does?

Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

[kat]

Ardy,

 

The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been to be so successful.


 

Kat (Mew Jersey)


Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson" 
To: 'Amy' , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary




Hi Lorrie – if you don’t mind me asking, what do you mean by “most cats you have taken in have converted after some time”? Does that mean they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?

 


Thank you,

Ardy 


 



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary



 



Lorrie,



 



That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time. We are always looking for more options on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these kitties



 



Let me know!



Thanks Amy



 









From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary




>
>    Lorrie,
>
>    Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!
>
>    Kat (Mew Jersey)

Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick building not the inside.
-

It's really difficult to take photos of the inside because I can't
get back far enough in each room to really show what I've done.
-

My cat sanctuary is two stories and a basement.  Downstairs are 5
rooms, including two rooms with wire doors for introduction or
isolation. My live-in caretaker has her own bedroom, a large kitchen,
full bathroom and a half bath.  The cats have access to every room
and my caretaker lets them sleep with her. She spoils them rotten.
They (cats & caretaker) all have a couch, chairs, and kitty kondos.
There is a glass front door and window perches so they can look
outside.


The cats are NOT in cages, they have the run of the downstairs and
upstairs rooms.  The older cats are downstairs, and adoptable young
cats and kittens are upstairs which is also designed just for them.
Upstairs are 4 large kitty kondos, 2 people chairs, many cozy cat
beds, and a wall-walk with two tunnels that goes all around the
walls. There are 4 rooms upstairs, and a laundry room.


Lorrie


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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

[Margo]

Lorrie wrote" A positive cat can either convert to negative, or carry the virus 
all it's life and show no symptoms, or die, usually in their first year."

Or it seems that they can test negative, or "convert" to negative and yet still 
carry the virus in a dormant state, and while they will test negative by most 
means, may still re-convert to positive.

Mako is 15. His mother was FeLV-. He was tested at 8 weeks when neutered, and 
again at three months before he went into general population (he was not 
adopted). Both times he was negative. He occasionally had bloodwork over the 
years, and was negative in 2004 and in 2010 (when he blocked). In May of 2013, 
I noticed his pupils were unequal, and since anisocoria can be associated with 
FeLV, he was tested again. This time he was positive. He's still (knocking 
madly on wood) here, but we're on a downhill slide.

Gribble showed up in 2011 at about 8 months old. Negative. Re-test at 3 months. 
Negative. Blocked, crashed Feb 2013. Diagnosed FeLV+ 3/2/2013.

Both have also tested + by Elisa.

So I don't trust any test. Nor do I believe that they are safe after a certain 
age. 

JME,

Margo



-Original Message-
>From: Lorrie 
>Sent: May 18, 2016 11:14 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV
>
>Hi Ardy,  As you probably know we rescue and have 13 cats at home
>plus 28 more in our cageless sanctuary. Therefore we've had many cats
>who have tested positive for FelV.  Most were kittens and they were
>isolated in our isolation rooms, and they seemed so playful and well
>I couldn't believe they had the FelV virus, then one by one at about
>8 months old they suddenly started to get very sick. The longest any
>of these kittens lived was 1 1/2 years.  They died of either anemia,
>cancer, or tumors, and had to be euthanized.  Kittens seem to have a
>worse time with FelV than grown cats because the immune system of
>kittens is not fully developed, and they usually die.  However, this
>isn't always the case.  We have two grown cats who tested positive as
>kittens and lived many years. One is about 9 now and seems fine, the
>other one seemed fine and suddenly just died with no signs of illness
>at all.  I do not know if these two cats converted back to negative
>or not, as they are/were sanctuary cats  who were born of a feral
>mother, and they were very skittish. Only one of them was tested
>again and she was still positive when spayed at two years old. 
>-
>
>FelV is a very complicated virus and we continue learn as much as
>possible about it. With FelV I understand three things can happen. A
>positive cat can either convert to negative, or carry the virus all
>it's life and show no symptoms, or die, usually in their first year.
>-
>
>I don't recall saying "most cats have converted after some time", as
>sadly "most' don't.  I don't think anyone really knows why some cats
>can live with the virus, others can convert, and some die. It's an
>awful virus, and I'm sorry your Tigger was one of the cats who didn't
>make it.
>
>Lorrie
>-
>
>On 05-17, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>>Hi Lorrie - if you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by "most cats
>>you have taken in have converted after some time"? Does that mean they
>>no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>> 
>> 
>>Thank you,
>> 
>>Ardy
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

[Lorrie]

Hi Ardy,  As you probably know we rescue and have 13 cats at home
plus 28 more in our cageless sanctuary. Therefore we've had many cats
who have tested positive for FelV.  Most were kittens and they were
isolated in our isolation rooms, and they seemed so playful and well
I couldn't believe they had the FelV virus, then one by one at about
8 months old they suddenly started to get very sick. The longest any
of these kittens lived was 1 1/2 years.  They died of either anemia,
cancer, or tumors, and had to be euthanized.  Kittens seem to have a
worse time with FelV than grown cats because the immune system of
kittens is not fully developed, and they usually die.  However, this
isn't always the case.  We have two grown cats who tested positive as
kittens and lived many years. One is about 9 now and seems fine, the
other one seemed fine and suddenly just died with no signs of illness
at all.  I do not know if these two cats converted back to negative
or not, as they are/were sanctuary cats  who were born of a feral
mother, and they were very skittish. Only one of them was tested
again and she was still positive when spayed at two years old. 
-

FelV is a very complicated virus and we continue learn as much as
possible about it. With FelV I understand three things can happen. A
positive cat can either convert to negative, or carry the virus all
it's life and show no symptoms, or die, usually in their first year.
-

I don't recall saying "most cats have converted after some time", as
sadly "most' don't.  I don't think anyone really knows why some cats
can live with the virus, others can convert, and some die. It's an
awful virus, and I'm sorry your Tigger was one of the cats who didn't
make it.

Lorrie
-

On 05-17, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>Hi Lorrie - if you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by "most cats
>you have taken in have converted after some time"? Does that mean they
>no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
> 
> 
>Thank you,
> 
>Ardy

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

[Rachel Dagner]

I have read when a cat first contracts the virus there is a chance they
can fight it off and will no longer test positive, if it progresses to the
I think bone marrow? Then they will not ever get rid of it. There are two
tests one for if they have it and one for if they will always have it.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:14 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

Hi Ardy,  As you probably know we rescue and have 13 cats at home plus 28
more in our cageless sanctuary. Therefore we've had many cats who have
tested positive for FelV.  Most were kittens and they were isolated in our
isolation rooms, and they seemed so playful and well I couldn't believe
they had the FelV virus, then one by one at about
8 months old they suddenly started to get very sick. The longest any of
these kittens lived was 1 1/2 years.  They died of either anemia, cancer,
or tumors, and had to be euthanized.  Kittens seem to have a worse time
with FelV than grown cats because the immune system of kittens is not
fully developed, and they usually die.  However, this isn't always the
case.  We have two grown cats who tested positive as kittens and lived
many years. One is about 9 now and seems fine, the other one seemed fine
and suddenly just died with no signs of illness at all.  I do not know if
these two cats converted back to negative or not, as they are/were
sanctuary cats  who were born of a feral mother, and they were very
skittish. Only one of them was tested again and she was still positive
when spayed at two years old.
-

FelV is a very complicated virus and we continue learn as much as possible
about it. With FelV I understand three things can happen. A positive cat
can either convert to negative, or carry the virus all it's life and show
no symptoms, or die, usually in their first year.
-

I don't recall saying "most cats have converted after some time", as sadly
"most' don't.  I don't think anyone really knows why some cats can live
with the virus, others can convert, and some die. It's an awful virus, and
I'm sorry your Tigger was one of the cats who didn't make it.

Lorrie
-

On 05-17, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>Hi Lorrie - if you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by "most
cats
>you have taken in have converted after some time"? Does that mean
they
>no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>
>
>Thank you,
>
>Ardy

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