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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-19 Thread dlgegg

RE:  bloodwoek, I agree.  I just bought a new roof and that leaves me pretty 
well strapped.  Thank God all my babies are in good health right now.  I 
recently had a mouse outbreaqk in the kitchen and they are keeping busy chasing 
them all night.
I broke my left arm March 8 and have been alternating between depresion because 
I cannot do anything and worse of all, the doctor will not let me drive.  I am 
not used to dpending on people to take me shopping, to doctors.  It did help 
with Amazon Prime.  They ship  for free so getting heavy items like litter and 
food through them.  At least my roof /skylight is not leaking any more and I 
don't need 6 buckets lined up in the hallway.  Harley liked to play with the 
water in the buckets and splashed it all over.
Got good news today, I can now drive and he gave me a shot in both knees so I 
cn now bend.  Hopefullly God will come through and help with everything else

 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> Ok thank you for sharing that with me, he just came out here on the porch and 
> started playing with a toy so maybe I am over paranoid. I think I will take 
> him in regardless. Remember when I took him at first and she had a hard time 
> hearing his heart and the next time she could hear it fine and thought the 
> mass had shrunk down? Well maybe if she listens to his heart it will help me 
> decide if I want more prednisone and talk to her about Winstrol. I just wish 
> blood work wasn't $150 each time. And weekly? Ouch.   
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 18, 2016, at 6:02 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> > 
> > Rachel, I don't think it can "fix" cancer but I think it can help the 
> > surrounding issues that accompany the cancer. I used it on a 16 year old 
> > cat with a huge nasal sarcoma, and it kept her eating, putting a bit of 
> > weight on her (she was a tiny fragile little feral cat who had been in our 
> > home since she was a year old). The vet who was treating her cancer with 
> > radiation therapy, was absolutely amazed regarding how well she was doing 
> > with this giant tumour and the radiation therapy, etc. She lived to age 19. 
> > She was one where we saw a very dramatic spike of her liver enzymes on the 
> > Winstrol - I discontinued for a few weeks until the enzymes dropped back 
> > down to not so bad levels - but there was never any sign of actual liver 
> > problems like jaundice or cancer, etc. The vet who was looking supervising 
> > her care is a good friend of ours who (a) knew not to argue with me and (b) 
> > knew of the great results I had had with Zander. He is the head of oncology 
> > at the leading vet univer
 si
>  ty
> >  programme in Canada. However, he agreed with my logic. Katrina was doomed 
> > and the best we could do was to keep her as comfortable as possible for as 
> > long as possible. He agreed there was little downside risk in trying the 
> > Winstrol. The tumour shrunk BEFORE we ever tried the radiation therapy on 
> > her, and he said that if we had gotten that result AFTER the radiation 
> > therapy, he would have declared the radiation therapy a success. The tumour 
> > didn't disappear of course, but definitely shrunk - probably a little bit 
> > of anti-inflammatory effect. I had her on both the Winstrol and the 
> > prednisone.
> > 
> > Amani
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Rachel Dagner
> > Sent: May-18-16 5:52 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> > 
> > I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Lorrie
> >> 
> >> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was 
> >> able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the 
> >> vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
> >> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
> >> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
> >> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
> >> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they carry 
> >> Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the 
> >> tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's one 
> >> reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. 
> >> However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so 
> >> again, this is an option.
> >> 
> >> Let us know when you find it. 
> >> 
> >> Amani
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >> Lorrie
> >> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
> >> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >> 
> >> Amani, I just found

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-19 Thread dlgegg

You keep on going because you have a heart, love and compassion.  I have said 
several times, no more and then someone shows up on the deck looking 
bedraggles, thin and those eyes and off I go again.  I cannot say no to them.  
I would take in children also if I had the money and the law would allow an old 
woman to take them in.


 Rachel Dagner  wrote: 
> Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming 
> to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about 
> everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and 
> how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep 
> going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person 
> who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with someone 
> to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with puffed out 
> eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I will keep 
> searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on here is 
> helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo  wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
> > tomorrow will be better.
> > 
> > All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
> > and ease the way.
> > 
> > My thoughts are with you. 
> > 
> > Margo
> > 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> >> From: Rachel Dagner 
> >> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
> >> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >> 
> >> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
> >> 
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> 
> >>> On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> Lorrie
> >>> 
> >>> The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy 
> >>> was able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and 
> >>> the vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
> >>> directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
> >>> The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
> >>> were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
> >>> veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they 
> >>> carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you 
> >>> get the tablets. They are hard to cut (basically just crumble) so that's 
> >>> one reason to go for the 1 mg ones - you can just give 2 a day to start. 
> >>> However, obviously it is easier to give a single 2 mg dose daily, so 
> >>> again, this is an option.
> >>> 
> >>> Let us know when you find it. 
> >>> 
> >>> Amani
> >>> 
> >>> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> >>> Lorrie
> >>> Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
> >>> To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >>> 
> >>> Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you 
> >>> sent. I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune 
> >>> system, and now I intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-19 Thread Ardy Robertson

Hi Lorrie,

I found Winstrol (Stanozolol) at a compounding pharmacy called Diamond Back
Drugs in Arizona. They offered it in other forms besides liquid, I can't
remember all of them so they might have it in pill form. I bought it in
liquid because that was easier for me to give to Tigger and he liked the
salmon flavor. I would let him smell the syringe before I gave it and he did
not try to avoid it. The company's website is
http://www.diamondbackdrugs.com/   and their phone number is  866-578-4420.

I found them to be very good to work with, very efficient and also caring.
The company seems large, but they take time to talk with you individually
also. The vet had to fill out the prescription online, or fax it to them.
Then they would call me to verify the address, and for me to give them
payment by credit card. I paid $42 for a 25 day supply.

Hope this helps. If they do not have pill form, you might be able to find
other sources by googling "compounding pharmacy veterinarian".
Ardy


-Original Message- 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Amani Oakley

Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 4:08 PM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Lorrie

The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy was
able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and the vet
could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered directly to
Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. The one I used
and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which were easy for me
to give. If you go online, look for a compounding veterinary pharmacy in
your area and contact them about whether they carry Winstrol (Stanazolol).
You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg tablets if you get the tablets. They are hard to
cut (basically just crumble) so that's one reason to go for the 1 mg ones -
you can just give 2 a day to start. However, obviously it is easier to give
a single 2 mg dose daily, so again, this is an option.

Let us know when you find it. 

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Lorrie
Sent: May-18-16 4:59 PM
To: felVtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Amani, I just found the answer to my question in a former post you sent.
I am happy to know Winstrol does not compromise the immune system, and now I
intend to find some, somewhere, somehow!





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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-19 Thread dlgegg

I was told by an investigator for the Missouri humane society that nine time 
out of 10 when they report someone for animal abuse, they also report for 
spouse, child or elder abuse.  It starts with defenseless animals and goes on 
to defenseless people.


 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> I am quite ferocious when dealing with the defendants in my cases. No 
> question about it - I am not popular on the other side of the table, but my 
> clients are my biggest fans. However, I am reduced to a little puddle in 
> other situations - especially dealing with defenceless animals.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Rachel Dagner
> Sent: May-18-16 8:15 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> So funny, I am sure we would cry about the lamp together! Whenever we are are 
> watching tv and anyone is crying for any reason at all Harry looks over at me 
> and then rolls his eyes because I am crying too. And I think of you as the 
> strongest one of us all, maybe there is hope for me yet! 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On May 18, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> > 
> > Rachel
> > 
> > I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
> > they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
> > one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
> > sake??
> > 
> > My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> > would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> > that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
> > save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
> > people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
> > no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
> > wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
> > deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
> > devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my 
> > babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me 
> > than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
> > 
> > We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> > gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
> > 
> > Amani 
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> > Rachel Dagner
> > Sent: May-18-16 7:21 PM
> > To: Margo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> > 
> > Thank you Margo, I hope tomorrow is better too. I keep thinking I am coming 
> > to terms with the whole thing, but it is just so darn hard. I think about 
> > everyone on here who purposely takes on sick babies to try to help them and 
> > how wonderful and strong they are. All of those who lost a baby and keep 
> > going. I know I have to be that strong too. Unfortunately I am that person 
> > who can't watch sad movies, or read sad books, or go as support with 
> > someone to a funeral without crying the entire time and waking up with 
> > puffed out eyes the next day. I guess there really is no choice though, I 
> > will keep searching for and pulling on that inner strength, and everyone on 
> > here is helping me do that, I am very grateful for each and every one of 
> > you.
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On May 18, 2016, at 6:19 PM, Margo  wrote:
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> I'm sorry, Rachel. Sometimes there are good days, and bad days, so maybe 
> >> tomorrow will be better.
> >> 
> >> All we can sometimes do is keep them as happy and comfortable as possible, 
> >> and ease the way.
> >> 
> >> My thoughts are with you. 
> >> 
> >> Margo
> >> 
> >> 
> >> -Original Message-
> >>> From: Rachel Dagner 
> >>> Sent: May 18, 2016 5:51 PM
> >>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> >>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> >>> 
> >>> I wish it could fix cancer. :( Tucker doesn't seem as perky today.  
> >>> 
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>> 
>  On May 18, 2016, at 5:07 PM, Amani Oakley  
>  wrote:
>  
>  Lorrie
>  
>  The difficulty isn't finding it. It is in getting a prescription. Ardy 
>  was able to find it at a compounding pharmacy in Arizona (I think!) and 
>  the vet could fill in the prescription online and the pharmacy delivered 
>  directly to Ardy. She used a liquid form so I am not familiar with that. 
>  The one I used and really liked were tiny "quick dissolve" tablets which 
>  were easy for me to give. If you go online, look for a compounding 
>  veterinary pharmacy in your area and contact them about whether they 
>  carry Winstrol (Stanazolol). You want it in 1 mg or 2 mg

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-19 Thread dlgegg

He lacked compasion and common sense.  One doe not criticise when someone is 
looking for support, and compassion.  Maybe later on when the pain has subsided 
some, but not at this time.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> What a complete and utter idiot.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Marsha
> Sent: May-18-16 8:55 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
> 
> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
> plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me that 
> I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said he loves 
> animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - some drink too 
> much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any 
> more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  
> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement come 
> across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more hopeless 
> after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need that kind of 
> help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a diagnosis in any 
> way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus I was very depressed 
> and crying because the last time I saw this counselor was the day before 
> Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care for (sinus cancer).  I would like 
> to tell him that HE lacked common sense in saying such things to someone in 
> the throes of depression.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
> > Rachel
> >
> > I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
> > they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
> > one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
> > sake??
> >
> > My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
> > would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
> > that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
> > save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
> > people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
> > no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
> > wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
> > deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
> > devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my 
> > babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me 
> > than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
> >
> > We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
> > gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
> >
> > Amani
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Thank you

2016-05-19 Thread dlgegg

Find some more to file their garage.  It seemed that when one goes, another 
shows up on my doorstep or at the shelter.  I usually call and ask them for 
special needs because they do not get adopted, just sit in the cages, waiting.  
Even though they may not last long I can give them some love and care for the 
time they have.

 Marsha  wrote: 
> I would like to sincerely thank you all who sent condolences on my loss 
> of Brock, and showed so much compassion and support.  So many kind 
> words!  Brock was my last FeLV+ cat, and now his (and Harley's and 
> Milkdud's) garage domain feels so empty and quiet. The toddler slide I 
> bought for Brock sits unassembled.  I had to buy mouse traps for the 
> first time since 2009 (caught 2 since Brock died).  "The Sound of 
> Silence" performed by Disturbed has become their memorial song.  The 
> main house, however, is not so silent.  11 cats remain (1 for not much 
> longer), and a few of them get pretty chatty.  LOUDLY chatty.  :-P
> 
> All those who care for special needs cats are the bravest of the brave, 
> and anybody (ESPECIALLY a therapist or counselor) who gets judgey about 
> it - well those people can just go stuff it.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> (who looked for compassion and support in the wrong place, but found it 
> here, with people who understand.  Again, thank you so much.)
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

2016-05-19 Thread Ardy Robertson

Hi Bob - if you are ever in a situation where you really need to administer 
something to your cat and don't want to lose all your skin, just use a heavy 
bath towel folded in half and wrap it around the cat while he/she is sitting on 
a chair. Put it around him like he is in the barber chair - then use an office 
clip or clothespin behind his head to hold it together. The towel is usually so 
heavy and hard to deal with they just sit still and it's much easier to give 
the dropper of stuff. However they do learn to avoid the chair etc. Just an 
idea to try.
Ardy

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CHAPEL
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 1:06 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 25, Issue 65

Ardy et al:

Typical of vets...  I went to a new one who was very pleasant and made no 
suggestion of putting my guy down( suggesting euthanasia is NOT typical of vets 
around my parts...at least no one that I would go to since I ask a LOT of 
people before I go)   My guy ( Yogi's) Blood work is normal at this point but 
this was via a phone message and I want a copy of the values  One thing 
I HAVE noticed ,even about the "nice" vets who don't immediately suggest 
euthanasia is that they do NOT encourage experimenting with supplements and 
meds that might extend lifespan.   This vet, while pleasant suggested I not 
treat any of his current ills and just " love him and feed him well until his 
time comes" ( though did suggest mirtazapine to stimulate his appetite ( he's 
not a good eater)... She said he " looked good" as yet.BTW...  I am 
retired and on a VERY limited income so I have to be quite careful as to the 
money I spend  I had not budgeted for pets when I retired... 
didn't really expect that I would have any more after my dog died but 
volunteering at the shelter I simply didn't feel right that all these animals 
had no homes and here _I_ was WITH a home and not offering it to a needy 
animal...  Without going into detail , my own life expectancy is not all that 
long and I wanted to adopt an animal that would not outlive me These guys 
most likely will not but that does not mean that I want them NOT to have a 
chance at a long lifeSo... I am taking whatever steps I can to keep them 
healthy I just WISH they would eat wet food or even HUMAN food!!   I have 
NEVER had a cat ( and I've had quite a few throughout my life) that turned 
their nose up at table foodHeck..they would kill each other for who got the 
dropped piece of chicken!! These guys lose interest in ANYTHING I give them 
( except when they think they are getting away with something : )   So now I 
"accidently" drop food on the floor quite a bit and they eat it upBUT... th
 ey will not eat it if I add ANY form of supplementso  I've got to grab 
them a couple to three times a day and administer everything via dropper and 
slosh the enisyl ( Lysine) across their mouths and paws   They are easy to 
give eye drops to and I can get very small pills into them without losing all 
the skin on my hands and forearms but it's getting weary having to _ catch_ 
them now that I am the _ medicine_ guy to them ( if they were more food hounds 
I would have a lot more positive creds as the fellow who feeds them but they 
are just cats who eat to live...don't even go crazy for treats makes things 
a bit more of a challenge but... like all of you... I adore them and will 
see to it that they get what they need... Again...SO appreciative of this 
listserv... best info around!!

Bob

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> Bob,
> After having just gone through this with my Tigger, I wholeheartedly 
> agree with the treatment options Amani is outlining. And better to get 
> started very very soon!
> Ardy
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Amani Oakley
> Sent: Monday, May 16,

Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

2016-05-19 Thread Ardy Robertson

Wow - I am blown away by all of this..so really no test is reliable. My
vet told me you test once and it may be unreliable so you test again 30 days
later to be sure! Apparently you cannot ever be "sure". My vet also told me
the vaccination for FeLV and FIP can be ineffective. So, basically any cat
can have FeLV at any stage of their life, and testing is never a sure
thing???

I am 65 and have never at any point in my life not had at least one cat, and
usually two or three. With the exception of a few cats who had accidents
when they were outside, all of my cats have always lived to be 19, 20, 21 -
right in there. FeLV was never an issue that I knew of -  do you all feel
that FeLV is on the rise?

Thanks,
Ardy

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Margo
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 10:51 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV

Lorrie wrote" A positive cat can either convert to negative, or carry the
virus all it's life and show no symptoms, or die, usually in their first
year."

Or it seems that they can test negative, or "convert" to negative and yet
still carry the virus in a dormant state, and while they will test negative
by most means, may still re-convert to positive.

Mako is 15. His mother was FeLV-. He was tested at 8 weeks when neutered,
and again at three months before he went into general population (he was not
adopted). Both times he was negative. He occasionally had bloodwork over the
years, and was negative in 2004 and in 2010 (when he blocked). In May of
2013, I noticed his pupils were unequal, and since anisocoria can be
associated with FeLV, he was tested again. This time he was positive. He's
still (knocking madly on wood) here, but we're on a downhill slide.

Gribble showed up in 2011 at about 8 months old. Negative. Re-test at 3
months. Negative. Blocked, crashed Feb 2013. Diagnosed FeLV+ 3/2/2013.

Both have also tested + by Elisa.

So I don't trust any test. Nor do I believe that they are safe after a
certain age. 

JME,

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: Lorrie 
>Sent: May 18, 2016 11:14 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats with FelV
>
>Hi Ardy,  As you probably know we rescue and have 13 cats at home plus 
>28 more in our cageless sanctuary. Therefore we've had many cats who 
>have tested positive for FelV.  Most were kittens and they were 
>isolated in our isolation rooms, and they seemed so playful and well I 
>couldn't believe they had the FelV virus, then one by one at about
>8 months old they suddenly started to get very sick. The longest any of 
>these kittens lived was 1 1/2 years.  They died of either anemia, 
>cancer, or tumors, and had to be euthanized.  Kittens seem to have a 
>worse time with FelV than grown cats because the immune system of 
>kittens is not fully developed, and they usually die.  However, this 
>isn't always the case.  We have two grown cats who tested positive as 
>kittens and lived many years. One is about 9 now and seems fine, the 
>other one seemed fine and suddenly just died with no signs of illness 
>at all.  I do not know if these two cats converted back to negative or 
>not, as they are/were sanctuary cats  who were born of a feral mother, 
>and they were very skittish. Only one of them was tested again and she 
>was still positive when spayed at two years old.
>-
>
>FelV is a very complicated virus and we continue learn as much as 
>possible about it. With FelV I understand three things can happen. A 
>positive cat can either convert to negative, or carry the virus all 
>it's life and show no symptoms, or die, usually in their first year.
>-
>
>I don't recall saying "most cats have converted after some time", as 
>sadly "most' don't.  I don't think anyone really knows why some cats 
>can live with the virus, others can convert, and some die. It's an 
>awful virus, and I'm sorry your Tigger was one of the cats who didn't 
>make it.
>
>Lorrie
>-
>
>On 05-17, Ardy Robertson wrote:
>>Hi Lorrie - if you don't mind me asking, what do you mean by "most
cats
>>you have taken in have converted after some time"? Does that mean they
>>no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>> 
>> 
>>Thank you,
>> 
>>Ardy
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Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

2016-05-19 Thread swacht

Miriam,  typical response - but you have to weigh the options - is the vet 
even willing to try - and is the vet willing to try the Winstrol - that can 
not hurt in anyway shape or form - I'm sorry

Sandy W
-Original Message- 
From: Mims

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 9:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

Doctors are just saying to put him to sleep ..

Miriam Fenton

On May 19, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Marsha  wrote:

Miriam, sounds like your cat may be anemic, although some cats tend to be 
a little more pale than others.  You are doing the best thing that you 
can, by taking him to the vet to find out what is going on.

Marsha

On 5/19/2016 1:49 PM, Miriam Fenton wrote:
HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are 
white!

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Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

2016-05-19 Thread Amani Oakley

Miriam, we've all had this response. If it's in you to try, I strongly suggest 
the treatment plan I have laid out. My Zander was in exactly the same state as 
your little boy, and he lived another six years.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Mims
Sent: May-19-16 9:11 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

Doctors are just saying to put him to sleep ..

Miriam Fenton 

> On May 19, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> 
> Miriam, sounds like your cat may be anemic, although some cats tend to be a 
> little more pale than others.  You are doing the best thing that you can, by 
> taking him to the vet to find out what is going on.
> 
> Marsha
> 
>> On 5/19/2016 1:49 PM, Miriam Fenton wrote:
>> HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are white!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

2016-05-19 Thread Mims

Doctors are just saying to put him to sleep ..

Miriam Fenton 

> On May 19, 2016, at 12:09 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> 
> Miriam, sounds like your cat may be anemic, although some cats tend to be a 
> little more pale than others.  You are doing the best thing that you can, by 
> taking him to the vet to find out what is going on.
> 
> Marsha
> 
>> On 5/19/2016 1:49 PM, Miriam Fenton wrote:
>> HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are white!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Membership

2016-05-19 Thread kat


Lorrie,

 

I get this occasionally too.  I usually just login to my account (you get the instructions each month) and change a setting & then change it back again.  This somehow seems to clear it up for a while.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 at 5:54 PM
From: Lorrie 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Membership

Is anyone else getting these annoying threats of membership being
disabled? I do not get bounces or they'd come back to me as such.



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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

2016-05-19 Thread Amani Oakley

Margo

I also had a go with the Immunoregulin – delivered from the States urgently, 
and again, my experience was that it didn’t budge Zander’s haematology counts 
one bit, despite giving it a number of months to demonstrate whether it was 
effective or not. However, as I mentioned in my previous post, I just 
discovered that four different viruses or subspecies can cause FeLV, so it is 
not surprising we get different results. Also, I understand that none of the 
tests differentiate between the different viruses.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo
Sent: May-19-16 6:50 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

OH!

Retrovir is AZT.

No, I decided against that.

I do have immunoreglin in reserve...

Margo
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Sent: May 19, 2016 5:48 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir
I may have asked this question before. However I am going to ask again. Anyone 
have success with these drugs.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

2016-05-19 Thread Margo

OH! Retrovir is AZT. No, I decided against that.I do have immunoreglin in reserve...Margo-Original Message-
From: Roxanne Smith 
Sent: May 19, 2016 5:48 PM
To: felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

2016-05-19 Thread Margo

I'm unfamiliar with Retrovir, but both my boys have been on interferon since diagnosis. Don't know that it actually helps, but I'm sure not gonna stop it now!They're on 1 week on, 1 week off and the dose is .25mL of a 120 units per mL solution of Interferon Alpha (so the standard 30 units per cat, I just have  them compound it my way ). Used to get in from Roadrunner, but now from Diamondback Pharmacy.I also gave them DMG for a couple of months, but I have slacked off. I do  think it helped, and maybe it's time to pick it up again. When I see them feeling "off" the get a B-12 injection.HTH,Margo-Original Message-
From: Roxanne Smith 
Sent: May 19, 2016 5:48 PM
To: felvtalk 
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

I may have asked this question before. However I am going to ask again.  Anyone have success with these drugs.

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Re: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

2016-05-19 Thread Amani Oakley

I tried Zander on Interferon for a decent period of time - maybe 4 to 6 months 
- I can't remember exactly right now. His bloodwork didn't show any 
improvement, and in fact, the opposite. We watched as his values kept dropping 
after being bolstered by a blood transfusion. So my conclusion is that the 
Interferon did not stop the slide downwards as the effects of the blood 
transfusion obviously wore off.

I didn't try the retrovir, and I don't have any direct knowledge about it.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Roxanne Smith
Sent: May-19-16 5:49 PM
To: felvtalk
Subject: [Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

I may have asked this question before. However I am going to ask again. Anyone 
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[Felvtalk] Interferon and retrovir

2016-05-19 Thread Roxanne Smith

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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

2016-05-19 Thread Margo

vet time. If they're actually white, you're in a crisis situation, and your cat is severely anemic.That's life-threatening.Please go now.-Original Message-
From: Miriam Fenton 
Sent: May 19, 2016 2:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are white!On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:So sorry Roxanne and Marsha. Thank you for loving them so strongly! They were incredibly lucky to be in your care. Remember the good times you shared. On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:I am so sorry for your loss Roxanne, I think every single one of us do the “what if’s” even though we shouldn’t, we need to think about what we did do, and all of the love that we gave. Fortunately our kitties are blissfully unaware of all of our internal turmoil’s, and doubts. All they know is that we love them, and they love us.  From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MarshaSent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:24 PMTo: Roxanne Smith; felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSubject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany Roxanne,My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany.  Noelle will be joining her in a few hours.  Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another.MarshaOn 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote:Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with feline leuk.  I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is what I should have done better.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

2016-05-19 Thread Margo


Just quickly...

From Plumb's Veterinary Drug Handbook Fifth Edition

Stanozolol (Winstrol)
Cats; 1-2 mg PO bid (twice a day); or 25 mg deep IM, may repeat weekly.
Treatment should continue for several weeks, depending on response and 
condition of the animal.

Doxycycline varies from 5mg/kg to 5-10mg'kg to 50mg per cat, but all are every 
twelve hours. I always used 25mg per cat unless advised otherwise.

Margo

-Original Message-
>From: ROBERT CHAPEL 
>Sent: May 19, 2016 10:16 AM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages
>
>After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood 
>results
>and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half  later 
>he is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab 
>)when he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye 
>as well)  Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+ 
>cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX
>Others on the group have suggested uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent 
>with this)... that said...  I have never been sure of the dosages being 
>used with winstrol and Doxy  Those of you who are using this 
>protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?   This 
>would make the most sense to me...
>I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about the 
>Doxy??    Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm 
>in asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him 
>well"...   Great idea if he would eat...  This was NOT a big problem 
>until yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant..  
>As this is the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the 
>mirtazapine for the present ( opinions??)
>Thanks for any input...
>
>Bob
>Warwick NY
> 
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>> From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
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>> Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)
>>
>>
>> Ardy
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>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of kat
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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>>
>>
>> Ardy,
>>
>>
>> The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said 
>> "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
>> time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been 
>> to be so successful.
>>
>>
>> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
>> From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
>> To: 'Amy'  >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat 
>> Sanctuary
>>
>> Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most 
>> cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean 
>> they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Ardy
>>
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of Amy
>> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
>> To: felineres...@frontier.com  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: 
>> Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>>
>>
>> Lorrie,
>>
>>
>> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a 
>> no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to 
>> find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the 
>> groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. 
>> We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk 
>> positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with 
>> non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to 
>> contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
>> always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days 
>> and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't 
>> going to fight it off first. So far, most of

Re: [Felvtalk] Treatment Options

2016-05-19 Thread Amani Oakley

Miriam

I have no idea how long you have followed the previous posts but if you have, 
you will know what I am going to say before I say it (and sorry to all the 
others on this chatline who have heard this a million times).

Don’t wait. Act immediately. I recommend the following regimen:


1.  Do baseline bloodwork – both biochemistry and haematology. Ask them to 
add a reticulocyte count to the haematology tests.

2.  Ask the vet to weigh him so you have a reliable baseline for that as 
well, that can be tracked.

3.  Ask the vet to prescribe the following:
Winstrol (Stanazolol) 2 mg a day (either in one go, or preferably 1 mg two 
times a day);
Doxycycline (not sure the dose – the vet should know this)
Prednisolone (also not sure the dose but I think 5 mg per day – again this can 
be given in one dose or split up and given twice)
Metoclopromide ¼ tablet before feedings (this may not be needed immediately, 
but I would get it on hand just in case – FeLV often negatively affects the
Intestinal tract and this helps to keep the food moving 
properly along through the digestive tract)

Of this list, if you have been following my posts, the only one you will have 
trouble getting is the Winstrol. Your vet will not agree, may never have heard 
of it, or generally just express scepticism. In any event, the vet will have to 
order it from a vet compounding pharmacy, and being unfamiliar with it, your 
vet may not know how to do that. This is the one you need the most to deal with 
what is obviously significant anemia (with the ivory gums).

Your vet may try and talk you into other treatments or no treatment (ie – 
euthanasia). I don’t think it will interfere with the Winstrol to use it with 
other treatments like Interferon or LTCF, etc., and others on this chatline 
have experienced good results on other treatments. However, (1) I think they 
are far more expensive; (2) I don’t think you get as fast a response as you do 
with the Winstrol, and you NEED a fast response or you will be forced to 
consider blood transfusions; (3) my own experience was that the other 
treatments I tried (and assessed with weekly blood testing) did not work.

I recommend weekly blood work (or every two weeks at least) to determine if 
there is a measurable response. If there isn’t, you want to know it ASAP so 
other options can be considered.

I just recently learned that there are four different viruses or subgroups of 
viruses that are responsible for FeLV, so I suspect that may well be why 
different treatments work in different cats.


Amani

P.S. – My apologies to everyone else for truly and completely sounding like a 
Winstrol salesperson at this point.

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Miriam 
Fenton
Sent: May-19-16 2:51 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

He is FELV positive and I'm about to take him to the vet.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Miriam Fenton 
> wrote:
HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are white!

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Re: [Felvtalk] White gums

2016-05-19 Thread Marsha

Miriam, sounds like your cat may be anemic, although some cats tend to 
be a little more pale than others.  You are doing the best thing that 
you can, by taking him to the vet to find out what is going on.


Marsha

On 5/19/2016 1:49 PM, Miriam Fenton wrote:
HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are 
white!





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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

2016-05-19 Thread Miriam Fenton

He is FELV positive and I'm about to take him to the vet.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:49 AM, Miriam Fenton  wrote:

> HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are white!
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:
>
>> So sorry Roxanne and Marsha. Thank you for loving them so strongly! They
>> were incredibly lucky to be in your care. Remember the good times you
>> shared.
>>
>> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Rachel Dagner 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I am so sorry for your loss Roxanne, I think every single one of us do
>>> the “what if’s” even though we shouldn’t, we need to think about what we
>>> did do, and all of the love that we gave. Fortunately our kitties are
>>> blissfully unaware of all of our internal turmoil’s, and doubts. All they
>>> know is that we love them, and they love us.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On
>>> Behalf Of *Marsha
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:24 PM
>>> *To:* Roxanne Smith; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Roxanne,
>>>
>>> My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany.  Noelle will be
>>> joining her in a few hours.  Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>
>>> On 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately,
>>> she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her
>>> go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with
>>> feline leuk.  I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a
>>> journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is
>>> what I should have done better.
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

2016-05-19 Thread Amani Oakley

Roxanne, thank you on behalf of Tiffany, for being brave and committed to her 
well-being and for loving her unreservedly.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Roxanne Smith
Sent: May-19-16 1:12 PM
To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, she 
had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her go--Tiffany 
could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with feline leuk.  I 
saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a journal of good things 
which I like cuz right now all I can think of is what I should have done better.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

2016-05-19 Thread Miriam Fenton

HELP! I just noticed my cat has lost alot of weight and his gums are white!

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:40 AM, Katherine K.  wrote:

> So sorry Roxanne and Marsha. Thank you for loving them so strongly! They
> were incredibly lucky to be in your care. Remember the good times you
> shared.
>
> On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Rachel Dagner 
> wrote:
>
>> I am so sorry for your loss Roxanne, I think every single one of us do
>> the “what if’s” even though we shouldn’t, we need to think about what we
>> did do, and all of the love that we gave. Fortunately our kitties are
>> blissfully unaware of all of our internal turmoil’s, and doubts. All they
>> know is that we love them, and they love us.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
>> Of *Marsha
>> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:24 PM
>> *To:* Roxanne Smith; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
>>
>>
>>
>> Roxanne,
>>
>> My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany.  Noelle will be joining
>> her in a few hours.  Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another.
>>
>> Marsha
>>
>> On 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote:
>>
>> Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately,
>> she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her
>> go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with
>> feline leuk.  I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a
>> journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is
>> what I should have done better.
>>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

2016-05-19 Thread Katherine K.

So sorry Roxanne and Marsha. Thank you for loving them so strongly! They
were incredibly lucky to be in your care. Remember the good times you
shared.

On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Rachel Dagner  wrote:

> I am so sorry for your loss Roxanne, I think every single one of us do the
> “what if’s” even though we shouldn’t, we need to think about what we did
> do, and all of the love that we gave. Fortunately our kitties are
> blissfully unaware of all of our internal turmoil’s, and doubts. All they
> know is that we love them, and they love us.
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Marsha
> *Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:24 PM
> *To:* Roxanne Smith; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany
>
>
>
> Roxanne,
>
> My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany.  Noelle will be joining
> her in a few hours.  Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another.
>
> Marsha
>
> On 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote:
>
> Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately,
> she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her
> go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with
> feline leuk.  I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a
> journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is
> what I should have done better.
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

2016-05-19 Thread Rachel Dagner

I am so sorry for your loss Roxanne, I think every single one of us do the
“what if’s” even though we shouldn’t, we need to think about what we did
do, and all of the love that we gave. Fortunately our kitties are
blissfully unaware of all of our internal turmoil’s, and doubts. All they
know is that we love them, and they love us.



*From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf Of
*Marsha
*Sent:* Thursday, May 19, 2016 1:24 PM
*To:* Roxanne Smith; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
*Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany



Roxanne,

My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany.  Noelle will be joining
her in a few hours.  Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another.

Marsha

On 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote:

Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately,
she had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her
go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with
feline leuk.  I saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a
journal of good things which I like cuz right now all I can think of is
what I should have done better.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Tiffany

2016-05-19 Thread Marsha


Roxanne,

My heart goes out to you in your loss of Tiffany.  Noelle will be 
joining her in a few hours.  Perhaps their spirits can comfort one another.


Marsha

On 5/19/2016 12:11 PM, Roxanne Smith wrote:
Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on 
Tiffany-unfortunately, she had went downhill the last several days and 
I chose to let her go--Tiffany could no longer fight the battle. I 
still have two left with feline leuk.  I saw someone recommended to 
someone else about keeping a journal of good things which I like cuz 
right now all I can think of is what I should have done better.


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[Felvtalk] Tiffany

2016-05-19 Thread Roxanne Smith

Thanks to all those whom gave wonderful advice on Tiffany-unfortunately, she 
had went downhill the last several days and I chose to let her go--Tiffany 
could no longer fight the battle. I still have two left with feline leuk.  I 
saw someone recommended to someone else about keeping a journal of good things 
which I like cuz right now all I can think of is what I should have done 
better. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

2016-05-19 Thread Amani Oakley

Hi Robert

The Winstrol isn’t really weight based. For cats, I would suggest starting at a 
higher dose of 2 mg/day and see what response you are getting in a week or two. 
I would leave them at 2 mg a day until you are satisfied with their progress 
and you feel they have turned a corner. If you are satisfied with the progress, 
you can try dropping the dose to 1 mg a day but monitor to see if you lose 
ground. If you do, get back to 2 mg a day.

I can't off-hand remember the Doxycycline dose. I will have to check that for 
you, but for that one, the vet probably knows.

Amani

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
Sent: May-19-16 10:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood results 
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half  later he is 
not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab )when he WAS 
eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as well)  Vet 
initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have suggested 
uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said...  I have never 
been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy  Those of you 
who are using this
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?   This would 
make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about the Doxy??  
  Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm in asking... 
She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him well"...   Great 
idea if he would eat...  This was NOT a big problem until yesterday..AFTER the 
administration of the appetite Stimulant.. As this is the only change in his 
regimen I think it wise to DC the mirtazapine for the present ( opinions??) 
Thanks for any input...

Bob
Warwick NY

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> Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)
>
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>
>
> Ardy,
>
>
> The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said 
> "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
> time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been 
> to be so successful.
>
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
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> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
> From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
> To: 'Amy'  >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat 
> Sanctuary
>
> Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most 
> cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean 
> they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ardy
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> Of Amy
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
> To: felineres...@frontier.com  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: 
> Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>
>
> Lorrie,
>
>
> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a 
> no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to 
> find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the 
> groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home.
> We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk 
> positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with 
> non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to 
> contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
> always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days 
> and we run both tests, the ELISA

Re: [Felvtalk] to Sandy and Rachel

2016-05-19 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL


Thank you for the input...  
 
 
 On Thu, May 19, 2016 at 11:11 AM, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org 
wrote:

 
Sandy:.Currently using a combination Neomycin, Polymixin B Sulfates 
with Dexamethasone
Provided to me by the shelter.  I have an informal " deal " with 
them to provide Vet services
and meds if I either can't afford them or it's a simple matter easily 
resolved by the Shelter consultant vet.
They realize that the two kitties I adopted would be there , quite 
possibly, for life had I not adopted them and I am saving them space and 
expense...  The problem is that I don't get to speak directly to 
whatever vet they will send my guys to and therefore do not have any say 
in what is done or prescribed  THAT is why I took Yogi to a private 
vet on my own the other day   She did not recommend any treatment 
for the eye... and now that it has moved to the other as well I don't 
know if her opinion will change.   I have only a very beginning 
relationship with this hospital as I have not had pets for a while and 
do not have a regular vet It's going to take several more visits 
before I am a known quantity who is not regarded as " off the wall" if I 
suggest things that no one else is doing...


Rachel:   I am thinking that I will try the mirtazapine another day or 
two... but if he gets worse by tomorrow I am going to stop it as this is 
the ONLY change that I have made to his usual regimen  I am VERY 
perplexed at what is going on with him ...    Again... I am only 
learning about FeLV now as I am new to both the disease and shelter 
volunteering   I will syringe feed if need be...  Only for a day has 
he indicated a lack of desire for food...if I don't see poop in the box 
I'll supplement...    Honestly... I had no idea that I would be getting 
into this level of worry and concern when I adopted these guys I was 
"sort of " misled by the tech at the shelter that they would be OK for a 
while and then likely succumb to serious disease in a year or two    
I am learning quite different now   I still would have done it but I 
would have been more emotionally prepared had I known how chronically 
ill they could possibly  be


thanks... 



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   2. Re: Winstrol (swacht)
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Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 10:46:13 -0400
From: "swacht" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages
Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; 
charset="iso-8859-1";

reply-type=original

Bob, Has Tobramycin been tried for the eyes??
Sandy W

-Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

I think you need to try to syringe feed the way I mentioned to you, no
matter what you do with the other medications (I would maybe give the 
meds
you have a few more days if it were me). You can't let him them go 
without
eating for too long. Have you tried the eye wash? I would maybe use 
this
each time before you do the eye meds to wash out any gunk. You could 
do this

with the towel method on the counter, just like the syringe feeding.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of

ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood 
results
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half 
later he
is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab 
)when
he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as 
well)

Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have 
suggested
uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said...  I 
have
never been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy 
Those

of you who are using this
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ? 
This

would make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about 
the
Doxy??Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm 
in

asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-19 Thread Rachel Dagner

So overwhelmingly heartbreaking, I am crying with you. I keep a journal of
Tucker's days too. I will be thinking of you both all day and sending
prayers for strength and peace for your heart.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Marsha
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 11:57 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Sandy, I don't plan on seeing him again, except maybe when I am up to it,
to tell him how I felt.  I did write a review in HealthGrades on him.  The
one other person gave him 5 stars.  I keep a journal for each of my cats
(I use Microsoft OneNote), writing down cute things they did, or
interactions with other cats.  And when I am caring for a cat that is ill,
the journaling is daily...what they ate, when they ate, how they seem to
be feeling, physical activity, etc.  Noelle has her final appointment late
this afternoon, near the end of the vet's day so we can have an unhurried
time, not squeezed between. She is laying on the bed behind me right now.

I named my Noelle because I got her in December.  She was eating food at
the colony I cared for.  A little friendlier than normal feral, but I
don't think she'd ever lived indoors before, and when she was spayed, the
vet noted she had previously been pregnant. Possibly she had been a barn
cat, since I lived at the edge of town adjacent to two farms.  No one
claimed her.  She is probably related to several of my other cats,
including FeLV+ Milkdud, who passed away 2 years ago around this time.
Noelle tested negative for FeLV twice.  She was the first of the colony
that I took in. She is a calico, large patches of gray and orange tabby
over white.

Marsha

On 5/19/2016 10:03 AM, swacht wrote:
> Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd
> continue with this "counselor".  Would you be comfortable with keeping
> a daily journal - write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have
> a cat named Noelle) - write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling.
> For me, I found writing helped with my losses.  Please give it a try.
> Sandy W
>
> -Original Message- From: Rachel Dagner
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM
> To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
> Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you
> said you have assisted with transfusions.
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Marsha, I'm so sorry.
>>
>> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for
>> others. He does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig
>> ditches, somewhere far from actual humans.
>>
>> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are
>> struggling with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told
>> you to pic yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again.
>> I'm surprised he didn't sing it :(
>>
>> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this
>> ...man...hold?
>>
>> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any
>> many "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much
>> better place...
>>
>> Back after rounds
>>
>> Margo
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Marsha 
>>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>>>
>>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on
>>> my plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he
>>> informed me that I lacked common sense (regarding money and
>>> animals). Then he said he loves animals too, and everybody lacks
>>> common sense in some way - some drink too much, some eat too much,
>>> etc.  When I told him that I wasn't looking for any more cats to take
in, he said, "Good for you!"
>>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement
>>> come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling
>>> more hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I
>>> don't need that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common
>>> sense is not a diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would
>>> you treat it?
>>> Plus
>>> I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this
>>> counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to
>>> care for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked
>>> common sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of
>>> depression.
>>>
>>> Marsha
>>>

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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

2016-05-19 Thread Amy

Hi all,
I just wanted to write about my comment about the cats that we have taken in 
converting. I'm referring to the cats that have come into the rescue where I 
volunteer, not my personal cats. None of my personal cats have ever converted 
that I know of. I have do have one positive that has been with me 12 years that 
I have not retested. He was positive on the IFA and snap when I rescued him so 
I never bothered retesting. His bloodwork also still shows signs that point to 
him being positive. My other cats lived varied lives with the disease, some 
less than 2 years, some 4-8, some 10-12. 
We do not see a ton of leuk positives at our shelter. We have had 6 in the two 
years that I have been there, a mom and 4 kittens, and an adult. All 6 were 
able to fight off the virus and retested negative on several later tests. We 
did not do anything special other than quarantine them, try to reduce stress 
(which is not easy in a shelter environment), feed them a quality food and 
retest at 30, 60, and 90 days. Even though the recommendation is to do an IFA 
if you get a positive SNAP, we always wait 30 days and resnap. The reason for 
that is we often take cats in from outdoors that may have had casual contact 
and may initially test positive but fight it off. The IFA is expensive to do if 
we think the cat might fight it off. If when we retest, the cat is still pos, 
we do the IFA to confirm. The mom and the 4 kittens all converted as well as 
the adult. We held them until they tested negative on 3 different snap tests 
each over 30 days apart. My guess is that the test caught the exposure right 
after it happened. My understanding is that this is NOT the norm. I'm not 
surprised about the adults fighting it off but I was pretty shocked by the 
kittens. I adopted one of the kittens that converted because I have a leuk 
positive and all my other cats are vaccinated. We ran 5 different brands of 
tests on him and 4 of the 5 repeatedly come up negative but for some reason he 
tested positive on the Witness test. So just in case there is a trace of the 
virus there that could be passed on, we didn't want to put him into a home that 
wasn't prepared for leukemia. My vet has no explanation for why he tests 
positive on the one test and neither does Zoetis but they all consider him 
negative based on all the other test results. So odd. Either way, he has a 
forever home with me. If he is positive, so be it. If he is negative and the 
test is goofy, even better. I continue to retest and get the same results. Neg 
on everything except the Zoetis Witness test. Makes me question what others say 
about the virus going latent and coming back later. I have heard numerous 
people tell me stories about cats that tested negative numerous times, lived 
with them, never went outside, never had contact with other cats and then came 
up positive later in life. Hard to say for sure when I wasn't there and don't 
know if there was any chance of exposure, but makes me stop and think for sure. 
I often question the reliability of the Zoetis Witness test and my vet has 
since stopped using them.
That's my story.Amy

  From: kat 
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 
 Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 12:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
   
Ardy, The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said 
"So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some time."  
But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been to be so 
successful. Kat (Mew Jersey)Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson" 
To: 'Amy' , felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat SanctuaryHi Lorrie – if you don’t mind me asking, 
what do you mean by “most cats you have taken in have converted after some 
time”? Does that mean they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you 
attribute that to? Thank you,Ardy  From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary Lorrie, That sounds amazing! I do cat 
rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos 
kitties, we do our best to find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like 
so many of the groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my 
home. We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk positives 
because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with non-contagious 
cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to contact you to see if you are 
able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We always hold them at least 30 days to 
restest and often 60 or 90 days and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to 
make sure they aren't going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we 
have taken in have converted after some time. We are always

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-19 Thread swacht

Marsha, I'm so sorry for your loss. I really don't know if I'd continue with 
this "counselor".  Would you be comfortable with keeping a daily journal - 
write about your grief - write about Noelle ( I have a cat named Noelle) - 
write about 1 thing that gives you a good feeling.

For me, I found writing helped with my losses.  Please give it a try.
Sandy W

-Original Message- 
From: Rachel Dagner

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 7:45 AM
To: Margo ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you said you 
have assisted with transfusions.



Sent from my iPhone


On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo  wrote:


Marsha, I'm so sorry.

What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He 
does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere 
far from actual humans.


Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling 
with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic 
yourself up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he 
didn't sing it :(


Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
...man...hold?


I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many 
"common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better 
place...


Back after rounds

Margo



-Original Message-

From: Marsha 
Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my
plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me
that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said
he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way -
some drink too much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I
wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"
All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement
come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more
hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need
that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a
diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus
I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this
counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care
for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked common
sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.

Marsha



On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
Rachel

I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever 
thought one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for 
goodness sake??


My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats 
who would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I 
told her that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the 
ones who save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going 
to be the people who don't care about them. It will break your heart 
Rachel. There is no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have 
done a truly wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another 
unbelievably deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's 
love and devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to 
lose my babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely 
painful to me than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.


We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. 
This gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.


Amani



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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

2016-05-19 Thread swacht

Bob, Has Tobramycin been tried for the eyes??
Sandy W

-Original Message- 
From: Rachel Dagner

Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:34 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

I think you need to try to syringe feed the way I mentioned to you, no
matter what you do with the other medications (I would maybe give the meds
you have a few more days if it were me). You can't let him them go without
eating for too long. Have you tried the eye wash? I would maybe use this
each time before you do the eye meds to wash out any gunk. You could do this
with the towel method on the counter, just like the syringe feeding.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood results
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half  later he
is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab )when
he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as well)
Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have suggested
uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said...  I have
never been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy  Those
of you who are using this
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?   This
would make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about the
Doxy??Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm in
asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him
well"...   Great idea if he would eat...  This was NOT a big problem until
yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant.. As this is
the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the mirtazapine for the
present ( opinions??) Thanks for any input...

Bob
Warwick NY

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
Message-ID: <003901d1b17d$700af650$5020e2f0$@centurytel.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)

Ardy

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of kat
Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

Ardy,

The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said
"So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some
time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been
to be so successful.

Kat (Mew Jersey)

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
To: 'Amy'  >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat
Sanctuary

Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most
cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean
they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?

Thank you,

Ardy

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
Of Amy
Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject:
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary

Lorrie,

That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a
no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to
find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the
groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home.
We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk
positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with
non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to
contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days
and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't
going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in
have converted

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

2016-05-19 Thread Rachel Dagner

I think you need to try to syringe feed the way I mentioned to you, no
matter what you do with the other medications (I would maybe give the meds
you have a few more days if it were me). You can't let him them go without
eating for too long. Have you tried the eye wash? I would maybe use this
each time before you do the eye meds to wash out any gunk. You could do this
with the towel method on the counter, just like the syringe feeding.

-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
ROBERT CHAPEL
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2016 10:16 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood results
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half  later he
is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab )when
he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye as well)
Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX Others on the group have suggested
uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent with this)... that said...  I have
never been sure of the dosages being used with winstrol and Doxy  Those
of you who are using this
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?   This
would make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about the
Doxy??Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm in
asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him
well"...   Great idea if he would eat...  This was NOT a big problem until
yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant.. As this is
the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the mirtazapine for the
present ( opinions??) Thanks for any input...

Bob
Warwick NY

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> Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500
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>
> Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)
>
>
> Ardy
>
>
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of kat
> Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>
>
> Ardy,
>
>
> The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said
> "So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some
> time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been
> to be so successful.
>
>
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
> From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
> To: 'Amy'  >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat
> Sanctuary
>
> Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most
> cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean
> they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Ardy
>
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf
> Of Amy
> Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
> To: felineres...@frontier.com  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject:
> Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
>
>
> Lorrie,
>
>
> That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a
> no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to
> find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the
> groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home.
> We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk
> positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with
> non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to
> contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We
> always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days
> and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't
> going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in
> have converted after some time. We are always looking for more

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol/Doxy Dosages

2016-05-19 Thread ROBERT CHAPEL

After getting a "clean" bill of Health for my Yogi ( ie.. good blood 
results
and no obvious ills beyond the blood in his eye) a day and a half  later 
he is not eating( despite the addition of mirtazapine 1/8 of a 15mg tab 
)when he WAS eating before and his eye issue has moved to the right eye 
as well)  Vet initially offered only ( Anything can happen to FeLV+ 
cats) and no guidance for any kind of TX
Others on the group have suggested uveitis ( and symptoms are consistent 
with this)... that said...  I have never been sure of the dosages being 
used with winstrol and Doxy  Those of you who are using this 
protocol: are you giving it according to weight ( X mg per lb) ?   This 
would make the most sense to me...
I get the impression that 1mg 2x a day is common...yes??  How about the 
Doxy??    Don't know that this vet will go for it but there is no harm 
in asking... She's not offering anything beyond " love him and feed him 
well"...   Great idea if he would eat...  This was NOT a big problem 
until yesterday..AFTER the administration of the appetite Stimulant..  
As this is the only change in his regimen I think it wise to DC the 
mirtazapine for the present ( opinions??)

Thanks for any input...

Bob
Warwick NY
 
 
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 22:20:46 -0500
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary
Message-ID: <003901d1b17d$700af650$5020e2f0$@centurytel.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Thanks Kat ? I did not realize that?.but like you, I was curious :)


Ardy



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of kat

Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2016 11:24 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary


Ardy,


The email you are referencing was TO Lorrie - it was FROM Amy who said 
"So far, most of the ones we have taken in have converted after some 
time."  But like you, I would like to know what her protocol has been 
to be so successful.



Kat (Mew Jersey)

Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2016 at 11:28 PM
From: "Ardy Robertson"  >
To: 'Amy'  >, felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat 
Sanctuary


Hi Lorrie ? if you don?t mind me asking, what do you mean by ?most 
cats you have taken in have converted after some time?? Does that mean 
they no longer have FeLV, and if so, what do you attribute that to?



Thank you,

Ardy

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Amy

Sent: Monday, May 16, 2016 10:31 AM
To: felineres...@frontier.com  ; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org  Subject: 
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary



Lorrie,


That sounds amazing! I do cat rescue in Rochester, NY and we are a 
no-kill rescue so when we get in leuk pos kitties, we do our best to 
find places for them to go. We don't euthanize like so many of the 
groups do. I have positives of my own but I am at capacity in my home. 
We can keep the FIV positives at our building but not the leuk 
positives because we are cage free and all of our rooms are full with 
non-contagious cats. We don't get them in often but am I able to 
contact you to see if you are able to help if we do get a leuk pos? We 
always hold them at least 30 days to restest and often 60 or 90 days 
and we run both tests, the ELISA and the IFA to make sure they aren't 
going to fight it off first. So far, most of the ones we have taken in 
have converted after some time. We are always looking for more options 
on the rare occasion we do get one in that remains positive and tests 
positive on both the ELISA and IFA. Thanks for helping these 
kitties



Let me know!

Thanks Amy


  _
From: Lorrie To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2016 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Sanctuary




   Lorrie,

   Do you have pictures?  I would love to see what you've done!

   Kat (Mew Jersey)


Hi Kat, I was born in Morristown, "Mew" Jersey.


I only have photos of the outside of my sanctuary and the grassy lot
next door where I have a small, heated, building for ferals, and a
big shade tree. I don't think they let us send photos to the group,
but if you want to see it I can send it to you. However, outside you
just see a two story brick

Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-19 Thread Rachel Dagner

Margo are you a nurse? Pets or people? I am thinking pets since you said you 
have assisted with transfusions. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On May 19, 2016, at 7:16 AM, Margo  wrote:
> 
> 
> Marsha, I'm so sorry. 
> 
> What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He 
> does NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere far 
> from actual humans.
> 
> Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling 
> with grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic yourself 
> up, dust yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he didn't sing 
> it :(
> 
> Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
> ...man...hold?
> 
> I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many 
> "common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better 
> place...
> 
> Back after rounds
> 
> Margo
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: Marsha 
>> Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>> 
>> I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
>> plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me 
>> that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said 
>> he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - 
>> some drink too much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I 
>> wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  
>> All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement 
>> come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more 
>> hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need 
>> that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a 
>> diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus 
>> I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this 
>> counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care 
>> for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked common 
>> sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
>>> Rachel
>>> 
>>> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
>>> they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
>>> one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
>>> sake??
>>> 
>>> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
>>> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
>>> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
>>> save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
>>> people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
>>> no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
>>> wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
>>> deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
>>> devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my 
>>> babies, there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me 
>>> than a poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
>>> 
>>> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
>>> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
>>> 
>>> Amani
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol

2016-05-19 Thread Margo


Marsha, I'm so sorry. 

What this "counselor" lacks is compassion. And any empathy for others. He does 
NOT belong in this profession. He needs to go dig ditches, somewhere far from 
actual humans.

Common sense doesn't seem to have much to do with this. You are struggling with 
grief, anxiety and hopelessness. Basically he told you to pic yourself up, dust 
yourself off and start all over again. I'm surprised he didn't sing it :(

Can you switch "counselors"? What kind of qualifications does this 
...man...hold?

I have more, but want you to know that you're not alone...there any many 
"common sense"less people in the world, and they make it a much better place...

Back after rounds

Margo



-Original Message-
>From: Marsha 
>Sent: May 18, 2016 8:55 PM
>To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Winstrol
>
>I went to a counselor last month to help me cope with all that is on my 
>plate.  During the 2nd session (1st one was the intake), he informed me 
>that I lacked common sense (regarding money and animals).  Then he said 
>he loves animals too, and everybody lacks common sense in some way - 
>some drink too much, some eat too much, etc.  When I told him that I 
>wasn't looking for any more cats to take in, he said, "Good for you!"  
>All my brain processed was the word "good", which made his statement 
>come across as highly judgemental.  I was more anxious and feeling more 
>hopeless after I left.  Two things I was seeking help for.  I don't need 
>that kind of help.  I am pretty sure that lacking common sense is not a 
>diagnosis in any way.  And even if it was, how would you treat it?  Plus 
>I was very depressed and crying because the last time I saw this 
>counselor was the day before Brock died, and I still have Noelle to care 
>for (sinus cancer).  I would like to tell him that HE lacked common 
>sense in saying such things to someone in the throes of depression.
>
>Marsha
>
>
>On 5/18/2016 6:30 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:
>> Rachel
>>
>> I am just like you. I cry at commercials. Did you ever see the one where 
>> they put a lamp on the curb to be picked up for garbage? Who ever thought 
>> one could cry over the fate of an unloved and abandoned lamp for goodness 
>> sake??
>>
>> My mom used to ask me why I was so insane to keep on taking these cats who 
>> would just go on to break my heart. I would take it so hard. But I told her 
>> that if the people who love cats so much aren't going to be the ones who 
>> save them and sacrifice for them, it sure as hell wasn't going to be the 
>> people who don't care about them. It will break your heart Rachel. There is 
>> no avoiding it or minimizing it, but you know you have done a truly 
>> wonderful wonderful thing and you go on to find another unbelievably 
>> deserving little sweetheart who also should know someone's love and 
>> devotion, while on this earth. Frankly, while it kills me to lose my babies, 
>> there is nothing at all more profoundly and intensely painful to me than a 
>> poor being who never saw any love or kindness.
>>
>> We are all doing our part, in this group, to help these furry angels. This 
>> gives me a sense of great purpose and hope.
>>
>> Amani
>
>
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