[Felvtalk] Re. Nutrition

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Sherri
I wouldn't be worrying so much about her having the "perfect" diet so 
much as seeing that she eats _ something_ whatever it is.    It will be 
harder on her liver to NOT eat than to process kibble ( rule of thumb 
for me is that many generations of ferals ( and people!!) have managed 
to survive on less than optimal diets..worry less ...experiment more.   
 I've fed my little guy every thing from cracker crumbs to mouse pieces 
to keep his weight up.. If he'll eat... he gets it. my _ go to_ 
usual is puréed meat baby food laced with powdered temptations 
treats.. when he won't eat that I know I have a problem and I have 
to supplement with syringe.   This little guy has been ill from the time 
he was born and it doesn't look as though it is EVER going to let 
up.. Fever and lethargy and losing weight again despite good 
appetite
So more blood work tomorrow that I can ill afford.  If I ever take home 
another felv it will have to be a foster


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Today's Topics:

  1. Re: Bogeys Blood Test Today (Sherri Godschalk)
  2. Food and Nutrition for FELV (Sherri Godschalk)
  3. Re: Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2
 (Sherri Godschalk)


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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 06:21:32 -0500
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Today

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Thank you Robert. I post that table with her results right out of 
excel.
Sometimes it runs together on mine too. I have put this on Google 
Sheets
so I can view it at work too. Here is a link if you would like to see 
it.



https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/174GWHyj34zZlky9jdU_9TUBz1leosJGvkZO
qFY_d3Cw/edit?usp=sharing

Good luck with your boy too.


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Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test

[Corinne Shank]

Amy,

Your story is similar to mine.  I think that there is so much that vets don't 
know about Felv, so it is great to hear from others with their situation.  When 
I found out that she had Felv from the Elisa test,  her blood work was fairly 
normal and since that time she has gained weight.  So I think it is wait and 
see situation.  She still likes to wake me up at 3:00 am , so I think she 
still feels good. 

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Amy Glunt  wrote:
> 
> I'm interested in replies to this as well. I have a somewhat similar 
> experience which I have been pondering over. My own cat, Gravy, tested 
> positive on the Elisa for FeLV in March when we took her in for an ear 
> infection and persistent lethargy. A month ago she had both Elisa and IFA 
> tests and was negative for both and the vet said that the leukemia must have 
> gone dormant in her marrow but that she would still have a suppressed immune 
> system and if she gets ill again, the leukemia could possibly flare back up. 
> Also, I got the news today that after a month on Winstrol and prednisolone 
> (we skipped the doxycycline since she was negative) her RBC has gone from 16 
> to 40. She is a whole new cat, it's absolutely incredible, and I owe it all 
> to you guys here...my Christmas miracle!
> Sorry to hijack your post Corinne!
> 
> Amy
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Corinne Shank  wrote:
>> 
>> My cat tested positive for Felv a few months ago from an Elisa test.  I had 
>> her tested after she had persistent yeast ear infections and I had read that 
>> immune suppressed cats were prone to yeast infections.  In addition,  when 
>> she was a kitten she tested positive but then tested negative.  I was told 
>> that she had shed the virus and that is why she tested negative.She is 
>> now 8 years old.
>> 
>> So I put off getting the IFA test as I wanted to see how she did and I felt 
>> that she probably was infected.  I finally took her in to get the test and 
>> it came back negative.  So I know that the virus is not in her bone marrow.  
>> But what does this mean?  The vet said to bring her back in 6 months for a 
>> snap test to see if she has shed the virus, but is this really possible?
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test

[Amy Glunt]

I'm interested in replies to this as well. I have a somewhat similar experience 
which I have been pondering over. My own cat, Gravy, tested positive on the 
Elisa for FeLV in March when we took her in for an ear infection and persistent 
lethargy. A month ago she had both Elisa and IFA tests and was negative for 
both and the vet said that the leukemia must have gone dormant in her marrow 
but that she would still have a suppressed immune system and if she gets ill 
again, the leukemia could possibly flare back up. 
Also, I got the news today that after a month on Winstrol and prednisolone (we 
skipped the doxycycline since she was negative) her RBC has gone from 16 to 40. 
She is a whole new cat, it's absolutely incredible, and I owe it all to you 
guys here...my Christmas miracle!
Sorry to hijack your post Corinne!

Amy

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Corinne Shank  wrote:
> 
> My cat tested positive for Felv a few months ago from an Elisa test.  I had 
> her tested after she had persistent yeast ear infections and I had read that 
> immune suppressed cats were prone to yeast infections.  In addition,  when 
> she was a kitten she tested positive but then tested negative.  I was told 
> that she had shed the virus and that is why she tested negative.She is 
> now 8 years old.
> 
> So I put off getting the IFA test as I wanted to see how she did and I felt 
> that she probably was infected.  I finally took her in to get the test and it 
> came back negative.  So I know that the virus is not in her bone marrow.  But 
> what does this mean?  The vet said to bring her back in 6 months for a snap 
> test to see if she has shed the virus, but is this really possible?
> 
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[Felvtalk] Negative IFA test

[Corinne Shank]

My cat tested positive for Felv a few months ago from an Elisa test.  I had her 
tested after she had persistent yeast ear infections and I had read that immune 
suppressed cats were prone to yeast infections.  In addition,  when she was a 
kitten she tested positive but then tested negative.  I was told that she had 
shed the virus and that is why she tested negative.She is now 8 years old.

So I put off getting the IFA test as I wanted to see how she did and I felt 
that she probably was infected.  I finally took her in to get the test and it 
came back negative.  So I know that the virus is not in her bone marrow.  But 
what does this mean?  The vet said to bring her back in 6 months for a snap 
test to see if she has shed the virus, but is this really possible?

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today

[dlgegg]

Great Christmas present!

 Randy Henke  wrote: 
> That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that performance
> with our girl, Curly.
> 
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk 
> wrote:
> 
> > Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself instead
> > of sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good
> > except her red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them.
> > As well as him being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are
> > elevated. I read that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before
> > he sent her home last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He
> > wants me to start her back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I
> > still feel like it might be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out
> > of the hospital for even a week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood
> > test later if anyone is interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go
> > Bogey!
> >
> > Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
> > RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
> > HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
> > HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
> > MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
> > MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
> > MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
> > RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
> > RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
> > WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
> > NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 3.97 3.96 4.07 4.03
> > LYM 0.92 6.88 3.98 2.21 7.8 6.81 8.83 7.75
> > MONO 0.05 0.67 1.89 0.87 1.16 1.17 1.52 1.58
> > EOS 0.17 1.57 0.49 0.08 0.11 0.06 0.004 0.01
> > BASO 0.01 0.26 0.16 0.01 0.01 0.01 0.01 0
> > PLT 151 800 295 122 28 53 88 50
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 0
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thanks Randy. I do so hope he is right! Keep us posted on your cat as well.

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
Henke 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 9:28 AM
To:  
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

I'm so glad the bloodwork results weren't as dire as you thought they might
be.

Good luck to you and Bogey!

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Sherri Godschalk 
wrote:
> Well I called my vet today for clarification about the test results and the
> plan of action. He wants her back on the Winstrol and Doxy now. When I
> expressed my concern about her ALT he said he fully expected that to rise
> because of the prednisone injection he gave her upon releasing her.  That is
> processed through her liver so he was not surprised. He reiterated that he
> felt the Winstrol was alright to give even while her enzymes are up because it
> is not processed in her liver. I guess that is the route we are going to take,
> so tomorrow is the day. Starting Doxy today.
> 
> Wish us luck!
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Sherri Godschalk]

Well, as much as it stresses her out to take her to the vet, I am taking her
back in next Wed. And probably every week for awhile. I asked the tech why
so many things were not tested for her blood draw yesterday. She said I
needed to ask for a CBC Chem 17 if I wanted that. I didn’t even know what
that was. I do now.  So I said, mark the file, every time she is there for
blood tests, I want the CBC Chem 17. Gees.

I will for sure be watching the wind very closely Amani!

From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani
Oakley 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 9:28 AM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

I think he is wrong on that. I don’t think you usually get a rise on the
prednisone. I think you can on the Winstrol. I have no idea what he is
talking about but the good news is that it probably doesn’t matter. She
should be fine either way. However, I would monitor the blood work closely
and have more blood run again in a week or two to see which way the wind is
blowing.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of
Sherri Godschalk
Sent: December-21-16 9:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2
 

Well I called my vet today for clarification about the test results and the
plan of action. He wants her back on the Winstrol and Doxy now. When I
expressed my concern about her ALT he said he fully expected that to rise
because of the prednisone injection he gave her upon releasing her.  That is
processed through her liver so he was not surprised. He reiterated that he
felt the Winstrol was alright to give even while her enzymes are up because
it is not processed in her liver. I guess that is the route we are going to
take, so tomorrow is the day. Starting Doxy today.

 

Wish us luck!

 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Randy Henke]

I'm so glad the bloodwork results weren't as dire as you thought they might
be.

Good luck to you and Bogey!

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 8:37 AM, Sherri Godschalk 
wrote:

> Well I called my vet today for clarification about the test results and
> the plan of action. He wants her back on the Winstrol and Doxy now. When I
> expressed my concern about her ALT he said he fully expected that to rise
> because of the prednisone injection he gave her upon releasing her.  That
> is processed through her liver so he was not surprised. He reiterated that
> he felt the Winstrol was alright to give even while her enzymes are up
> because it is not processed in her liver. I guess that is the route we are
> going to take, so tomorrow is the day. Starting Doxy today.
>
> Wish us luck!
>
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Amani Oakley]

I think he is wrong on that. I don't think you usually get a rise on the 
prednisone. I think you can on the Winstrol. I have no idea what he is talking 
about but the good news is that it probably doesn't matter. She should be fine 
either way. However, I would monitor the blood work closely and have more blood 
run again in a week or two to see which way the wind is blowing.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherri 
Godschalk
Sent: December-21-16 9:37 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

Well I called my vet today for clarification about the test results and the 
plan of action. He wants her back on the Winstrol and Doxy now. When I 
expressed my concern about her ALT he said he fully expected that to rise 
because of the prednisone injection he gave her upon releasing her.  That is 
processed through her liver so he was not surprised. He reiterated that he felt 
the Winstrol was alright to give even while her enzymes are up because it is 
not processed in her liver. I guess that is the route we are going to take, so 
tomorrow is the day. Starting Doxy today.

Wish us luck!

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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Sherri Godschalk]

Well I called my vet today for clarification about the test results and the
plan of action. He wants her back on the Winstrol and Doxy now. When I
expressed my concern about her ALT he said he fully expected that to rise
because of the prednisone injection he gave her upon releasing her.  That is
processed through her liver so he was not surprised. He reiterated that he
felt the Winstrol was alright to give even while her enzymes are up because
it is not processed in her liver. I guess that is the route we are going to
take, so tomorrow is the day. Starting Doxy today.

Wish us luck!



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[Felvtalk] Food and Nutrition for FELV

[Sherri Godschalk]

Good morning everyone. I have kind of a general question here for you all.
I am walking a tight rope here for my FELV + Bogey as far as to what to feed
her. She is hungry and is eating but now we are facing some rising liver
enzymes so I think I need to do more than just get her to eat .

She is not a big wet food eater. She will eat some each day, and normally
just Fancy Feast and just a bit of it. If her whole diet was that, she would
starve. I can get her to take a couple of tablespoons a day of Hills AD and
ID but I have to hand feed it. She likes kibble. Anymore I am not sure what
brand is a good nutritional cat food. I have learned that kibble is much
harder for their body to break down, thus stressing their liver but I have
got to keep her eating because of the liver and jaundice issues I am dealing
with. (she is dealing with)

So I am curious what you feed your cat and if you use any supplements. Also,
if a kibble is watered down and pureed, is it easier for them to digest? I
started adding Hills Sensitive Stomach Egg and Rice and she likes it and is
supposedly easier for them to digest. But is it a good food?

Thanks for your opinions.

Sherri


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Re: [Felvtalk] Bogeys Blood Test Today

[Sherri Godschalk]

Thank you Robert. I post that table with her results right out of excel.
Sometimes it runs together on mine too. I have put this on Google Sheets
so I can view it at work too. Here is a link if you would like to see it.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/174GWHyj34zZlky9jdU_9TUBz1leosJGvkZO
qFY_d3Cw/edit?usp=sharing

Good luck with your boy too.

Sherri

On 12/21/16, 2:11 AM, "Felvtalk on behalf of ROBERT CHAPEL"

wrote:

>Sherri...
>
>I don't know if it is possible to, perhaps, format the data differently
>but I am having a difficult time
>reading the Blood results...they are all running togetheralso
>are the data on the right the older and getting newer as we move to the
>left??  A shame this site doesn't ( at least to my knowledge) have a
>function for making a table ( or including a table when posting) it
>would make matters a LOT easier...
>BTW... While I understand your concerns re: Bogey on balance...
>She's looking pretty darn good for a FeLV Kitty...If my boys blood
>values were that good I'd be quite pleased ( apart from the notable
>LIver Values). Hang in there...
>
>
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>>2. Re: FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis (Ardy Robertson)
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>> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:25:39 -0500
>> From: Sherri Godschalk To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test
>> Today These look worse PG 2
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>>
>> Well I am not sure he noticed some of the increases on page 2 here. It
>> seems
>> like all of these are going the wrong direction. She isn?t showing any
>> jaundice and her gait is much improved but still having some issues
>> with
>> balance. I ask them to run the full battery of blood tests today but
>> it
>> doesn?t look like they did. Do you all agree that these numbers are
>> not
>> better but in fact worse than when they released her on Dec 14th?
>> Scale 20-Dec 14-Dec 12-Dec
>>  GLU 74-159 122 125 178
>>  BUN 16-36 21 14 23
>>  CREA 08-2.4 1.1 0.8 1.3
>>  BUN/CREA  19 18 18
>>  PHOS 3.1-7.5   4.5
>>  CA 7.8-11.3   9.8  TP 5.7-8.9 8.1 7.9 8.7
>>  ALB 2.2-4.0 3.4 2.9 3.1
>>  GLOB 2.8-5.1 4.7 5 5.6
>>  ALB/GLB  0.7 0.6 0.6
>>  ALT 12-130 581 192 237
>>  ALKP 14-111 81 42 39
>>  GGT 0-4   8   TBIL .0-.9  27.2 27.9
>>  CHOL 65-225   170  AMYL 500-1500   842
>>  LIPA 100-1400   255
>>  NA 150-165   158   K 3.5-5.8   3.4   NA/K46   CL 112-129   114
>> OSM CALC318 Sherri
>>
>>
>> From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
>> Henke Reply-To:  Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
>> To:  Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today
>>
>> That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that
>> performance with
>> our girl, Curly.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk wrote:
>>> Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself
>>> instead of
>>> sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good
>>> except her
>>> red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As
>>> well as him
>>> being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I
>>> read
>>> that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her
>>> home
>>> last week when normally I gave her a pill each day. He wants me to
>>> start her
>>> back on the Doxy and Winstrol but not the pred yet. I still feel like
>>> it might
>>> be soon on the Winstrol since she hasn't been out of the hospital for
>>> even a
>>> week yet. I will post the 2nd page of the blood test later if anyone
>>> is
>>> interested. But LOOK at the Platelet count...go Bogey!
>>>
>>>Range 20-Dec 12-Dec 26-Oct 30-Sep 16-Sep 24-Aug
>>>  RBC 6.54 12.2 5.57 4.99 2.54 2.9 2.57 2.43
>>>  HCT 30.3 52.3 30.9 35.1 14.8 17.9 15.3 15.3
>>>  HGB 9.8 16.2 10.2 10.4 5.2 6.2 5.5 5.3
>>>  MCV 35.9 53.1 55.5 70.3 58.3 61.7 59.1 62.6
>>>  MCH 11.8 17.3 18.3 20.8 20.5 21.4 21.4 21.8
>>>  MCHC 28.1 35.8 33 29.6 35.1 34.6 36.2 34.9
>>>  RDW 15 27 23.8 22.2 24.5 25.2 23.7 23.9
>>>  RETIC 3 50 37.3 27.4 89.9 82.1 78.1 61.5
>>>  WBC 2.87 17.02 22.34 8.59 13.05 12.01 14.47 13.46
>>>  NEU 1.48 10.29 15.82 5.42 

Re: [Felvtalk] Curly's appetite...

[Randy Henke]

Thanks, Robert. I'll definitely know what to ask for if it comes to that.
Curly is still eating a significant amount of the Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers
twice a day and she ate quite a bit of canned tuna last night. We'll be
starting the Winstrol tonight and will be waiting on the Doxy until Monday
because of our holiday schedule. I'm a little concerned about her
respiration rate which has crept up into the 40s.

On Wed, Dec 21, 2016 at 1:52 AM, ROBERT CHAPEL 
wrote:

> Randy
>
> I'm not sure if the dosages of prednisone and Winstrol Curly will be
> getting are in the range that were formerly used for appetite stimulation
> in Kitties...( yes in the " old " days Corticosterioids AND anabolic
> Steroids were the go to drugs for appetite stimulation but often did more
> harm than good if not used judiciously.The other drug that Ardy was
> referring to was likely Cyproheptadine... an antihistamine that has since
> been replaced by Mirtazapine ( an antidepressant in humans) in part due to
> an easier dosing schedule( Daily to Q3days vs every 8 hours or so for the
> Cypro   There are many who still swear by the Cyproheptadine( I'll
> write out the full word rather than cause the confusion of mixing it up
> with the antibiotic_ Cipro. All of the above have worked a " little "
> for my different cats over the years.   Most recently I used Mirtazapine
> for my boy Yogi ( who has been on no less than 10 different Meds in the
> past few months and it worked well for a couple of days... but then not at
> all. Fortunately the crisis passed and he went back to eating on his
> own when the pain in his eye subsided ( Now he appears to be developing
> Nasal complications due to all the damn Eye Drops I have to give him to
> keep his Uveitis at bay and clear up the Ocular Herpes that caused the
> whole mess.  FeLV can be a challenge for some unlucky Kitties for
> sureHave any of the folks here who have used he combination of
> Prednisolone and Wintrol noticed increases in appetite??
>
>
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>>1. Re: Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2
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>> Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 20:25:39 -0500
>> From: Sherri Godschalk To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test
>> Today These look worse PG 2
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>> Well I am not sure he noticed some of the increases on page 2 here. It
>> seems
>> like all of these are going the wrong direction. She isn?t showing any
>> jaundice and her gait is much improved but still having some issues with
>> balance. I ask them to run the full battery of blood tests today but it
>> doesn?t look like they did. Do you all agree that these numbers are not
>> better but in fact worse than when they released her on Dec 14th?
>> Scale 20-Dec 14-Dec 12-Dec
>>  GLU 74-159 122 125 178
>>  BUN 16-36 21 14 23
>>  CREA 08-2.4 1.1 0.8 1.3
>>  BUN/CREA  19 18 18
>>  PHOS 3.1-7.5   4.5
>>  CA 7.8-11.3   9.8  TP 5.7-8.9 8.1 7.9 8.7
>>  ALB 2.2-4.0 3.4 2.9 3.1
>>  GLOB 2.8-5.1 4.7 5 5.6
>>  ALB/GLB  0.7 0.6 0.6
>>  ALT 12-130 581 192 237
>>  ALKP 14-111 81 42 39
>>  GGT 0-4   8   TBIL .0-.9  27.2 27.9
>>  CHOL 65-225   170  AMYL 500-1500   842
>>  LIPA 100-1400   255
>>  NA 150-165   158   K 3.5-5.8   3.4   NA/K46   CL 112-129   114 OSM
>> CALC318 Sherri
>>
>>
>> From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Randy
>> Henke Reply-To:  Date:  Tuesday, December 20, 2016 at 4:54 PM
>> To:  Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today
>>
>> That is phenomenal, Sherri! I'm hoping for a repeat of that performance
>> with
>> our girl, Curly.
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 3:48 PM, Sherri Godschalk wrote:
>>
>>> Bogey is still improving. The Dr came out to talk with me himself
>>> instead of
>>> sending out a tech. Never does that. He said everything looked good
>>> except her
>>> red blood cells have gotten smaller but there are more of them. As well
>>> as him
>>> being concerned about infection since her WBC and NEU are elevated. I
>>> read
>>> that can be from pred and he gave her a shot of it before he sent her
>>> home
>>> last week when normally I gave her a pill each 

Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

[Sherri Godschalk]

Hi Amani,
In all honesty I was shocked when I compared her last liver test to this
one. She is eating so well and drinking. She got so much strength back that
I don’t have to kennel her. She is handling the stairs just fine. Urine is
clear and great easy bowel movements. When the doc was talking to me he was
so positive and happy. I But really he said almost nothing about her liver
issues. I walked out of there feeling as high as a kite. Not sure why they
didn’t do the Total Bilirubin. I asked them to.

I haven’t started the Doxy yet but I will here this morning when she is done
playing with her bottle cap. I will call the vet’s office first thing to see
about getting the Clavamox and ask them to have the vet to please compare
the last two liver tests and see if he still feels she should start the
Winstrol because I am not. (I don’t think he even looked at the liver
enzymes page or he would probably want me to wait too) They are closed for 5
days over the Holidays. I want to make sure we are on the same page prior to
that. I was hoping the hematocrit was in the 20s when I took her in for her
last test so I feel like we could wait until next week. Her RBC went from
4.99 to 5.57 this week too. Just amazing.

I changed her kibble last week when she had a few days of diarrhea after
being. I added to her Blue Buffalo some Hills Sensitive Stomach and Skin.
She loves the stuff but am wondering if that change has added to this flair
up she is having. I am going to start a another thread here on food and
nutrition. Vet had said to get her to eat, eat, eat. And I did.

Thank you Amani as always.


From:  Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani
Oakley 
Reply-To:  
Date:  Wednesday, December 21, 2016 at 2:14 AM
To:  "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject:  Re: [Felvtalk] Bogey's Blood Test Today These look worse PG 2

Hi Sherri
 
Yes, I agree with you that the biochemistry liver enzymes look worse. The
rest of the biochemistry tests look fine, but the ALT and AST have gone up,
and they didn’t repeat either the Total Bilirubin or the GGT, which are the
other results that assist in assessing the liver.
 
However, Bogey is doing better by your description, so be patient and
continue with what you are doing. I still think that you could hold off for
another little while on the Winstrol and Doxycyline and that is supported by
the liver enzyme test results. However, there has been a noticeable drop in
the haematocrit. You’re still within the reference range, but this is the
same thing I had witnessed with my cat, and how I affirmed for myself that
it was the Winstrol/Doxycyline which was causing the increase in the red
cell parameters, because every time I tried to reduce the dosage or stop the
medication, I would see an immediate drop in the numbers. It seems pretty
clear that (a) the increase you saw at the end of October was because you
added the Doxycycline to the Winstrol treatment regime. You got a dramatic
jump in the numbers. Now, when you stopped the Doxycycline/Winstrol, you see
a definitive drop in haematocrit levels. However, as I said, you still have
a significant cushion before the numbers get concerning again.
 
I agree with your vet that your cat has some sort of bacterial infection.
The significant number in white cells is quite marked, and when you see the
breakdown, that increase in white cells is almost completely composed of
neutrophils, which is the type of cell which increases in the presence of
bacteria, versus lymphocytes which increase with a viral challenge. Your vet
should consider adding another antibiotic, in addition to the Doxycyline.
Something broad spectrum, perhaps, like _.
 
I also not the excellent news that the platelet count has actually doubled.
This is really, really wonderful, and quite dramatic.
 
The basophils are elevated which can happen with liver problems or may
reflect an immune/allergic type response (along with mast cells).
 
Overall, she is still looking pretty good, but I agree with your concern
about wanting to wait a bit more on putting her back on the
Winstrol/Doxycycline. On the other hand, your vet might be concerned about
the slippage, and may not want to lose ground.
 
Amani
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Re: [Felvtalk] Finding a vet to prescribe Winstrol Southern NY Region...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Ardy...
Thank you for the suggestion and the benefit of your experience with DB 
and Winstrol I guess I can understand their reticence if they can't 
configure their database to produce that information in a few moments ( 
of course they could be simply disinclined as well which really can't be 
held too much against them either if someone is not placeing an order : 
)   Short sighted Yes... but understandable.
I am going to be gearing up soon ( I expect) for another Winstrol push 
as my Yogi is losing weight and temp is rising I've spent so much 
money on the opthalmologist and eye meds I've been holding off on 
additional blood work but can't wait any longer.   Amani... if you 
happen to read this can you remind me of the reference ( location) for 
the study that recommended against Stanazol due to Liver Enzyme 
abnormalities. also...did you locate other studies studies 
recommending against Winstrol for the same reason.   I would like to 
be able to say with "some" authority that the Liver connection relative 
to the potential for Hgb Hct Platelet improvement makes it well worth 
the risk..   More on this later...



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Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 21:51:49 -0600
From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of 
Winstrol

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Hi Robert -- I did call Diamond Back Drugs and asked if they could 
provide the names/contact information for vets who were willing to 
prescribe Winstrol and they said could not do that because they work 
with so many vets and clients from all over, and they figured it would 
be just too much of a task for them. They are very nice to work with 
though, so possibly if someone called and said for instance, do you 
know of a vet in the Cincinnati area that I could go to, maybe they 
would recommend someone. When I needed Winstrol for Tigger I changed 
vets because the one would not work with me on it. The new vet, I sort 
of stepped out of my usual passive self and announced rather boldly 
that this is what I wanted and if they weren't going to work with me, 
I would not be using them. I was polite but firm, and it worked.


Ardy


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 11:38 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Availability of Winstrol

Randy...

Yes... you DO have a good vet... or a least one that is willing to 
think outside the litter box..
I am getting VERY frustrated and soon very angry at the unwillingness 
of my local vets to have anything to do with Winstrol  I can not 
comprehend a  vet having NO reasonable alternative for a dying animal 
and STILL being unwilling to prescribe a drug that has shown efficacy 
with this diseaseIf my boy starts to go downhill from anemia 
and the vet still won't prescribe there is going to be a scene...
At the prices now being charged for Veterinary services I expect a LOT 
MORE than I am getting at this point...


Have been looking at International sources for the drug and on various 
bodybuilding sites but these are mostly B.S and one can not be sure if 
he is getting the real drug


I recall there being some discussion about  contacting Diamond Back 
and asking for vets that have requested the drug.  Did anyone in 
he forum ever do this ???  I don't recall.It's worth a try 
I've used them for other drugs that I have ordered through the shelter 
where I volunteer



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