Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy

[Jennifer Olson]

Alright-  Figaro just pee'd on my bed right- next to me- after I cleaned
box (and then his paws because he made loose poop & got litter ETC on the
bed) caught him in the act. He hasn't been neutered yet. I threw my bedding
into washer, sprayed bed with "Nature's Miracle- No Spray" & resolved I am
NOT remaking bed...
I can hear him crying, like he does when I AM there trying to go to sleep.
Overnight is the biggest lump of time I can be with him so he isn't
COMPLETELY isolated, alone I hate this.
Do I just go to bed now upstairs, or TRY to lay in a dry spot with new
blankets?
='~{

On Mar 1, 2017 4:26 PM,  wrote:

> AMEN TO THAT!  I especially get angry that they do not consider
> alternative medicine a viable tratment.  Unless I get a broken arm, I first
> try alternative meds.  I have not had a flu shot for over 8 years and have
> not had a cold or flu.  I use ginger, turmeric, garlic, onion, cinnamon as
> my anti flu meds.  I just wish we knew more about animals (cats) and herbs,
> which is safe or not safe to use.  Then when something comes up on a
> weekend/holiday and I cannot et my cat to the vet, I would be able to start
> treatment  until I can get to a vet.
>
>  ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> > Amani...
>
> If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses of
> other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial
> infection is going to require a longer period of time to have whatever
> non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection
> necessarily)...  So little research money appears to be devoted to FeLV
> that I don't know that we'll know in the next decade unless the
> continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this day
> and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their much loved
> pets) alter this course.I STILL bristle when I think of the closed
> minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that
> businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into now
> that practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health Systems")..
> hold the power of life and death over us AND our pets.   On the plus
> side with the business model being what it is ( and in contrast to
> the lost art of " professionalism")  The CONSUMER is always right.  Vets
> will be forced, in the future, to work more closely with the "
> customers" wishes as attachment to a given vet will become less common
> as time goes on and people will " practice shop " for the answers they
> want until such time as Vet services become so expensive that insurance
> becomes a " must have " and ultimately go the way of medicine (
> ie...being confined to a slate of approved practitioners...
> againlimiting choice)...  But... there are some years to go before
> that happens and I feel that there IS a window of opportunity happening
> NOW and for the next few  years for people to have some real influence
> on how Vets practice   I am betting, for example, that had I had the
> money to go to a more " well to do " neighborhood where people are more
> demanding and better informed I could have found a vet to cooperate...
> Here in the "sticks" people just blindly accept what the vet has to say
> and they still enjoy the freedom of calling all the shots.   This
> WILL end over the next couple of years.  I learned a lot with this first
> experience and made mistakes that I WILL NOT make again.
>
> BTW  Do you have any literature in support of the AntiRNA effects of
> Doxy... I am SO happy that there are still a couple of things out
> there that we still can get our hands on that don't have to pass muster
> with script pad businessmen  STILL I am also not advocating the the
> medically ill prepared take it upon themselves to decide that THEY will
> decide what is best for their animal... If we are going to go above and
> beyond our Vets advice it would best be with very sound reasoning and an
> EXCELLENT understanding of what we are doing and why.   Anything less
> and the community of Veterinary practitioners could easily dismiss our
> successes as "dumb luck" or ascribe them to " unknown" factors.  I
> think this is particularly important re: Winstrol/Pred/Doxy   I'd hate
> to see people going to their vets asking for this combination of drugs
> and really having an inadequate understanding of why they are asking for
> beyond the fact that it's been recommended on our forum...For
> myself... I am clear on the Whys of Winstrol and Doxy ( though will be
> looking for more lit support on the RNA effects of Doxy) but not clear
> on the whys of the Pred.
> Sorry for taking up so much space here but I'm having an " attack " of
> missing my little guy and am tremulous about being caught in the same
> position if I take in another FeLV as I am inclined to do
>
> >
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Bob

I am unable to attach the literature regarding the ability of Doxycycline to 
interfere with RNA replication and/or interfere with viral infection, but here 
are a few titles to look up on the Internet:

- Antiviral activity of doxycycline against vesicular stomatitis virus in vitro 
- FEMS Microbiol Lett. 2015

- Control of small inhibitory RNA levels and RNA interference by doxycycline 
induced activation of a minimal RNA polymerase III promoter - 2006 Nucleic 
Acids Res. 34

- Inhibitory effect of doxycycline against dengue virus replication in vitro - 
October 2013 Archives of Virology 159(4) 

- Study of the antiviral activity of some derivatives of tetracycline and 
non-steroid anti-inflammatory drugs towards dengue virus - August 2013 Tropical 
Biomedicine 30(4):1-10   (BY THE WAY - DOXYCYCLINE IS A TETRACYCLINE)

- A study of the clinical activity of a gel combining monocaprin and 
doxycycline: a novel treatment for herpes labialis. (2012) J Oral Path Med 
41:61-67



The following paper was interesting in that it explored the role of Doxycycline 
in inhibiting tumour cell proliferation, angiogenesis, metastasis and migration 
of cancerous cells (including leukemic cells) from the bone marrow:

- Doxycycline inhibits leukemic cell migration via inhibition of matrix 
metalloproteinases and phosphorylation of focal adhesion kinase - published 
Molecular Medicine Reports, September 2015 Vol. 12, Issue 3.


Amani

P.S. - By the way, Bob. The other thing that was featured in that show last 
night about the fight against Ebola, is that the same doctor who contracted it 
and was declared symptom-free, later began to develop eye problems and when 
they examined his eye, they found millions of the Ebola viruses in the eye. The 
programme explained that the eye was an area of reduced immunity in the body, 
and thus, the virus had found a breeding ground where it remained, though it 
had been cleared from the rest of the body. They therefore began treating the 
doctor's eye, and the treatment was ultimately successful. It brought to mind 
the problems Yogi had had with his eyes, and I wondered if the answer was 
similar - that the virus had had a toe-hold there.


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From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of ROBERT 
CHAPEL
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To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy

Amani...

If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses of other 
ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial infection is 
going to require a longer period of time to have whatever non-specific ( 
read... not related to bacterial infection necessarily)...  So little research 
money appears to be devoted to FeLV that I don't know that we'll know in the 
next decade unless the continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to 
hear , in this day and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their 
much loved
pets) alter this course.    I STILL bristle when I think of the closed minds in 
the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that businessmen( Yes...that 
is what the vast majority are turning into now that practices are being forced 
to consolidate into " Health Systems").. 
hold the power of life and death over us AND our pets.   On the plus side 
with the business model being what it is ( and in contrast to the lost art of " 
professionalism")  The CONSUMER is always right.  Vets will be forced, in the 
future, to work more closely with the " 
customers" wishes as attachment to a given vet will become less common as time 
goes on and people will " practice shop " for the answers they want until such 
time as Vet services become so expensive that insurance becomes a " must have " 
and ultimately go the way of medicine ( ie...being confined to a slate of 
approved practitioners... 
againlimiting choice)...  But... there are some years to go before that 
happens and I feel that there IS a window of opportunity happening NOW and for 
the next few  years for people to have some real influence on how Vets 
practice   I am betting, for example, that had I had the money to go to a 
more " well to do " neighborhood where people are more demanding and better 
informed I could have found a vet to cooperate... Here in the "sticks" people 
just blindly accept what the vet has to say and they still enjoy the freedom of 
calling all the shots.   This WILL end over the next couple of years.  I 
learned a lot with this first experience and made mistakes that I WILL NOT make 
again.

BTW  Do you have any literature in support of the AntiRNA effects of 
Doxy... I am SO happy that there are still a couple of things out there 
that we still can get our hands on that don't have to pass muster with script 
pad businessmen  STILL I am also not advocating the the medically ill 
prepared take it upon themselves to 

Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy

[dlgegg]

AMEN TO THAT!  I especially get angry that they do not consider alternative 
medicine a viable tratment.  Unless I get a broken arm, I first try alternative 
meds.  I have not had a flu shot for over 8 years and have not had a cold or 
flu.  I use ginger, turmeric, garlic, onion, cinnamon as my anti flu meds.  I 
just wish we knew more about animals (cats) and herbs, which is safe or not 
safe to use.  Then when something comes up on a weekend/holiday and I cannot et 
my cat to the vet, I would be able to start treatment  until I can get to a vet.

 ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
> Amani...

If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses of 
other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial 
infection is going to require a longer period of time to have whatever 
non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection 
necessarily)...  So little research money appears to be devoted to FeLV 
that I don't know that we'll know in the next decade unless the 
continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this day 
and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their much loved 
pets) alter this course.    I STILL bristle when I think of the closed 
minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that 
businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into now 
that practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health Systems").. 
hold the power of life and death over us AND our pets.   On the plus 
side with the business model being what it is ( and in contrast to 
the lost art of " professionalism")  The CONSUMER is always right.  Vets 
will be forced, in the future, to work more closely with the " 
customers" wishes as attachment to a given vet will become less common 
as time goes on and people will " practice shop " for the answers they 
want until such time as Vet services become so expensive that insurance 
becomes a " must have " and ultimately go the way of medicine ( 
ie...being confined to a slate of approved practitioners... 
againlimiting choice)...  But... there are some years to go before 
that happens and I feel that there IS a window of opportunity happening 
NOW and for the next few  years for people to have some real influence 
on how Vets practice   I am betting, for example, that had I had the 
money to go to a more " well to do " neighborhood where people are more 
demanding and better informed I could have found a vet to cooperate...  
Here in the "sticks" people just blindly accept what the vet has to say 
and they still enjoy the freedom of calling all the shots.   This 
WILL end over the next couple of years.  I learned a lot with this first 
experience and made mistakes that I WILL NOT make again.

BTW  Do you have any literature in support of the AntiRNA effects of 
Doxy... I am SO happy that there are still a couple of things out 
there that we still can get our hands on that don't have to pass muster 
with script pad businessmen  STILL I am also not advocating the the 
medically ill prepared take it upon themselves to decide that THEY will 
decide what is best for their animal... If we are going to go above and 
beyond our Vets advice it would best be with very sound reasoning and an 
EXCELLENT understanding of what we are doing and why.   Anything less 
and the community of Veterinary practitioners could easily dismiss our 
successes as "dumb luck" or ascribe them to " unknown" factors.  I 
think this is particularly important re: Winstrol/Pred/Doxy   I'd hate 
to see people going to their vets asking for this combination of drugs 
and really having an inadequate understanding of why they are asking for 
beyond the fact that it's been recommended on our forum...    For 
myself... I am clear on the Whys of Winstrol and Doxy ( though will be 
looking for more lit support on the RNA effects of Doxy) but not clear 
on the whys of the Pred.
Sorry for taking up so much space here but I'm having an " attack " of 
missing my little guy and am tremulous about being caught in the same 
position if I take in another FeLV as I am inclined to do

>

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Re: [Felvtalk] Knowing the " whys" of Win/Pred/Doxy

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Amani...

If we consider the extended time frame for Doxy and multiple courses of 
other ABX it makes a certain "intuitive" sense that a non bacterial 
infection is going to require a longer period of time to have whatever 
non-specific ( read... not related to bacterial infection 
necessarily)...  So little research money appears to be devoted to FeLV 
that I don't know that we'll know in the next decade unless the 
continuing demands of consumers ( who do NOT want to hear , in this day 
and age of " Miracles") that there is _ no hope_ for their much loved 
pets) alter this course.    I STILL bristle when I think of the closed 
minds in the medical and Veterinary community and SO resent that 
businessmen( Yes...that is what the vast majority are turning into now 
that practices are being forced to consolidate into " Health Systems").. 
hold the power of life and death over us AND our pets.   On the plus 
side with the business model being what it is ( and in contrast to 
the lost art of " professionalism")  The CONSUMER is always right.  Vets 
will be forced, in the future, to work more closely with the " 
customers" wishes as attachment to a given vet will become less common 
as time goes on and people will " practice shop " for the answers they 
want until such time as Vet services become so expensive that insurance 
becomes a " must have " and ultimately go the way of medicine ( 
ie...being confined to a slate of approved practitioners... 
againlimiting choice)...  But... there are some years to go before 
that happens and I feel that there IS a window of opportunity happening 
NOW and for the next few  years for people to have some real influence 
on how Vets practice   I am betting, for example, that had I had the 
money to go to a more " well to do " neighborhood where people are more 
demanding and better informed I could have found a vet to cooperate...  
Here in the "sticks" people just blindly accept what the vet has to say 
and they still enjoy the freedom of calling all the shots.   This 
WILL end over the next couple of years.  I learned a lot with this first 
experience and made mistakes that I WILL NOT make again.


BTW  Do you have any literature in support of the AntiRNA effects of 
Doxy... I am SO happy that there are still a couple of things out 
there that we still can get our hands on that don't have to pass muster 
with script pad businessmen  STILL I am also not advocating the the 
medically ill prepared take it upon themselves to decide that THEY will 
decide what is best for their animal... If we are going to go above and 
beyond our Vets advice it would best be with very sound reasoning and an 
EXCELLENT understanding of what we are doing and why.   Anything less 
and the community of Veterinary practitioners could easily dismiss our 
successes as "dumb luck" or ascribe them to " unknown" factors.  I 
think this is particularly important re: Winstrol/Pred/Doxy   I'd hate 
to see people going to their vets asking for this combination of drugs 
and really having an inadequate understanding of why they are asking for 
beyond the fact that it's been recommended on our forum...    For 
myself... I am clear on the Whys of Winstrol and Doxy ( though will be 
looking for more lit support on the RNA effects of Doxy) but not clear 
on the whys of the Pred.
Sorry for taking up so much space here but I'm having an " attack " of 
missing my little guy and am tremulous about being caught in the same 
position if I take in another FeLV as I am inclined to do






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[Felvtalk] Doxy

[Jennifer Olson]

Thanks again, VERY grateful !
Jen
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Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

[dlgegg]

It seems probable to me.  I went through 4 courses of chemo and none of them 
worked, in fact last one was killing me.  After 1 year without treatment other 
than vitamins, minerals and prayer, I went into spontaneous remission.  The 
Doxycycline does the same, gives the body time to heal.

 Amani Oakley  wrote: 
> Jen
> 
> If that were my cat, I would consider putting him on a 4 to 6 week course of 
> the Doxycycline. Before my cat, Zander, had his BIG crash when his 
> haematocrit went down to 5, he had a mini crash about 2-3 months before. We 
> were (stupidly) reassured by the fact that he recovered with the use of the 
> Doxycycline. In hindsight, I have said many times to my husband, that I 
> should have kept Zander on the Doxycycline. It has anti-RNA replication 
> properties which might be the reason it sometimes seems to be effective in 
> cases involving FeLV – ie – it interferes with the ability of the virus to 
> replicate.
> 
> I saw a programme last night on the fight against the Ebola virus, and I was 
> struck by something that one of the doctors said. This particular doctor was 
> himself infected by Ebola as he attempted to treat others who had the 
> infection. He spent 40 days in isolation, with one body system after another 
> shutting down and requiring medical intervention to keep him alive. After 40 
> days, he began to recover and became symptom free. He was of the view that 
> the body can ultimately be able to mount an immunological attack on just 
> about every challenge, if it can survive long enough to do so. It got me 
> thinking about FeLV and I wondered if perhaps Zander’s protocol helps the 
> body to stay alive (not succumb to things like anemia, and internal bleeding 
> from low platelets, etc), long enough to permit the cat’s own immune response 
> to the virus. I have no idea of course, and it is all conjecture on my part, 
> but I think that the Doxy plays a role in slowing down viral replication. 
> Thus, if a cat tests positive for FeLV, putting him on Doxy for a 4-6 week 
> period, then that might give the cat the opportunity to mount an immune 
> response. And again, please recognize that the time frame is just me thinking 
> this sounds good because it needs to be a longer duration than the average 
> bacterial infection – it may need to be even longer than that.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Jennifer Olson
> Sent: March-01-17 1:28 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol
> 
> Thank you for clarifying for me so quickly ! ! !
> My new fur-baby, now called Figaro (husband named because this stray was 
> "singing" outside on COLD morning Dec 22nd), is not sick with anything r/t 
> being FeLV+ presently.
> What I understand is this regimen is for cats in hemodynamic crisis?
> Do you advise any action now, to suppress the leukemia virus?
> Jen
> 
> On Mar 1, 2017 12:09 PM, "Amani Oakley" 
> > wrote:
> No – it’s just what I call it, in honour of my baby boy, Zander. I have just 
> referred to it as such, here, among friends.
> 
> Amani
> 
> From: Felvtalk 
> [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
>  On Behalf Of Jennifer Olson
> Sent: March-01-17 1:07 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol
> 
> I tried searching for Zander's protocol online with no results. Is this a 
> term or phrase coined here, or widely used in veterinary medicine?
> Thx, Jen
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Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

[Amani Oakley]

Jen

If that were my cat, I would consider putting him on a 4 to 6 week course of 
the Doxycycline. Before my cat, Zander, had his BIG crash when his haematocrit 
went down to 5, he had a mini crash about 2-3 months before. We were (stupidly) 
reassured by the fact that he recovered with the use of the Doxycycline. In 
hindsight, I have said many times to my husband, that I should have kept Zander 
on the Doxycycline. It has anti-RNA replication properties which might be the 
reason it sometimes seems to be effective in cases involving FeLV – ie – it 
interferes with the ability of the virus to replicate.

I saw a programme last night on the fight against the Ebola virus, and I was 
struck by something that one of the doctors said. This particular doctor was 
himself infected by Ebola as he attempted to treat others who had the 
infection. He spent 40 days in isolation, with one body system after another 
shutting down and requiring medical intervention to keep him alive. After 40 
days, he began to recover and became symptom free. He was of the view that the 
body can ultimately be able to mount an immunological attack on just about 
every challenge, if it can survive long enough to do so. It got me thinking 
about FeLV and I wondered if perhaps Zander’s protocol helps the body to stay 
alive (not succumb to things like anemia, and internal bleeding from low 
platelets, etc), long enough to permit the cat’s own immune response to the 
virus. I have no idea of course, and it is all conjecture on my part, but I 
think that the Doxy plays a role in slowing down viral replication. Thus, if a 
cat tests positive for FeLV, putting him on Doxy for a 4-6 week period, then 
that might give the cat the opportunity to mount an immune response. And again, 
please recognize that the time frame is just me thinking this sounds good 
because it needs to be a longer duration than the average bacterial infection – 
it may need to be even longer than that.

Amani



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Jennifer Olson
Sent: March-01-17 1:28 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

Thank you for clarifying for me so quickly ! ! !
My new fur-baby, now called Figaro (husband named because this stray was 
"singing" outside on COLD morning Dec 22nd), is not sick with anything r/t 
being FeLV+ presently.
What I understand is this regimen is for cats in hemodynamic crisis?
Do you advise any action now, to suppress the leukemia virus?
Jen

On Mar 1, 2017 12:09 PM, "Amani Oakley" 
> wrote:
No – it’s just what I call it, in honour of my baby boy, Zander. I have just 
referred to it as such, here, among friends.

Amani

From: Felvtalk 
[mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]
 On Behalf Of Jennifer Olson
Sent: March-01-17 1:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

I tried searching for Zander's protocol online with no results. Is this a term 
or phrase coined here, or widely used in veterinary medicine?
Thx, Jen

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Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

[Jennifer Olson]

Thank you for clarifying for me so quickly ! ! !
My new fur-baby, now called Figaro (husband named because this stray was
"singing" outside on COLD morning Dec 22nd), is not sick with anything r/t
being FeLV+ presently.
What I understand is this regimen is for cats in hemodynamic crisis?
Do you advise any action now, to suppress the leukemia virus?
Jen

On Mar 1, 2017 12:09 PM, "Amani Oakley"  wrote:

> No – it’s just what I call it, in honour of my baby boy, Zander. I have
> just referred to it as such, here, among friends.
>
>
>
> Amani
>
>
>
> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On Behalf
> Of *Jennifer Olson
> *Sent:* March-01-17 1:07 PM
> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> *Subject:* [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol
>
>
>
> I tried searching for Zander's protocol online with no results. Is this a
> term or phrase coined here, or widely used in veterinary medicine?
>
> Thx, Jen
>
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Re: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

[Amani Oakley]

No – it’s just what I call it, in honour of my baby boy, Zander. I have just 
referred to it as such, here, among friends.

Amani

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
Jennifer Olson
Sent: March-01-17 1:07 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

I tried searching for Zander's protocol online with no results. Is this a term 
or phrase coined here, or widely used in veterinary medicine?
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[Felvtalk] Zander's Protocol

[Jennifer Olson]

I tried searching for Zander's protocol online with no results. Is this a
term or phrase coined here, or widely used in veterinary medicine?
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Re: [Felvtalk] Another question(s) about Zander's protocol

[Amani Oakley]

Hi Molly

I hate to relate this again, because I have explained how I came to stumble on 
Zander’s protocol.

To answer your question directly, it was totally trial and error. I too have a 
background in sciences and health care, and that played into my experience as 
well. So here is my summary from one of my first emails to this group:

I would like to share what I think is very important information with others 
who have cats diagnosed with Feline Leukemia.

I had a cat with leukemia as a kitten, and he lived to the age of 7 and died 
from something else that I don’t believe was related to the leukemia. When the 
vets told me that they could do nothing for him as a kitten dying with leukemia 
(and he WAS dying - his red cells were dropping down to nothing and I had given 
him TWO blood transfusions that weren't holding up his numbers to any great 
degree) then as a last ditch effort, I tried some Winstrol I had in the 
cupboard that a previous vet had given to me for another cat.

This medication turned him completely around. To monitor his condition, we were 
performing weekly blood tests on him - CBC, liver function, etc. After being 
put on the Winstrol, his red cells and white cell counts began to climb very 
quickly and steadily. It was totally amazing and the vets couldn't believe the 
lab results either. My beautiful little boy was out of the woods in about six 
months. We were obsessively checking the pinkness of his ears, gums and pads to 
check the status of his profound anemia, and to our unbelievable joy, he began 
to get pink and his lab results just kept getting better. After about a year, I 
called back the internal medicine veterinarian we had seen, and who had told us 
there was no hope, and told him of our beautiful cat's recovery. To my surprise 
- and a little bit of anger - he said that I had gone "old school" and that 
Winstrol used to be used but then there were rumours of possible liver damage 
associated with it, and vets stopped prescribing it. This REALLY annoyed me. My 
cat was dying and no one thought that maybe, just maybe, some treatment - even 
with a potential side effect - was better than no treatment??? In our 
experience, on a few occasions the liver enzymes would indeed rise, but would 
drop back down to normal fairly quickly after a short break from the Winstrol. 
We monitored our beautiful Zander very closely during and after his initial 
crisis, and if I thought that maybe he was looking pale again, or if the CBC 
came back with a significantly dropping red cell count, we would put him back 
on the Winstrol for a 4 to 6 week period, and it would fix him right up.

The Winstrol also really helped to increase his appetite so I could get him to 
eat when he was so very sick.

I used it at a level of 1 mg two times a day when he was really sick, and when 
he started to recover, I cut it back to 1 mg a day, or even 1/2 mg a day for a 
maintenance dose. That was given along with ½ a tablet of prednisolone, twice a 
day, and ½ a tablet of 100mg Doxycycline, twice a day.

I have looked after a very large number of strays over the years and I have a 
science and medicine background in science and microbiology and laboratory 
medicine, so I tested and analyzed the lab results we were getting, using this 
knowledge. I have since used Winstrol in my cats in a number of other 
situations where vets have told me there is no hope, and I have to say that it 
has come through more often than not.

I therefore could not understand the reluctance of the veterinary - and medical 
community for that matter - to consider Winstrol, especially in circumstances 
where vets are telling pet owners that there are no other options and their 
kitten or cat will die.

I have had to do a fair amount of internet research and spoken to a number of 
veterinarians about this. I have personally concluded that due to the 
association of Winstrol with athletic doping scandals, the scientific community 
as a whole has decided to abandon what might indeed be a promising drug. This 
saddens me but I simply can see no other explanation. I mean really - does it 
make sense to hear from vets that the drug MAY cause liver disease, when your 
animal is dying Wouldn't you expect to be given that option in those 
circumstances, and to be permitted as  the pet owner to understand the risks??? 
Personally, I think that the risk of permanent liver damage is not a 
significant risk. The  information I have been able to find - buried so very 
deeply as to be almost unable to be found on the Internet - points to any 
change in the liver enzymes as being transitory and not representing any 
lasting liver damage. That was certainly our experience. Because Zander's 
condition was so dire, even when his liver enzymes started to go up, I decided 
to keep him on the Winstrol because I could see that his bone marrow had turned 
back on again and he was producing red cells ( with his reticulocyte level 
starting to go up