Re: [Felvtalk] Kitten tossed out of car

[Amy Glunt]

Makes me sick! Just about a month ago I picked up a kitten off the side of the 
road that had been tossed out of a car. He's recovered well and is napping next 
to me on the couch. Fortunately none of his injuries were internal or very 
serious, but it just makes you rage inside. Who'd do something like that? :( 
hope the little grey kitten makes a full recovery. 

Amy

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> On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:16 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Ardy – generally, I am not supportive of the death penalty, but I would 
> gladly make an exception for barbarians like those you describe, and I would 
> just as happily be the executioner. This is not the first time I have heard 
> this same hideous story. Several years ago in Toronto, Ontario, the same 
> thing happened on one of our highways, and again, that little kitten at least 
> got lucky enough to survive and be rescued by a motorist who saw what 
> happened.
>  
> I have heard it repeated elsewhere. I guess that stupid idiot f*&^%s can’t 
> find anything more vulnerable and helpless than a kitten to show their 
> toughness. Just obscene.
>  
> I shudder to think just how many times the kittens don’t survive.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Ardy 
> Robertson
> Sent: July-31-17 11:51 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Kitten tossed out of car
>  
> Hello my Felv friends  this is a little off-topic, but I have to vent: My 
> granddaughter texted me this afternoon that a Facebook friend of hers was 
> driving from our city to a neighboring town, when the vehicle ahead of her 
> tossed a kitten out of the car window at 60 mph!! The poor little babe struck 
> her windshield! She was able to come to a safe stop, but was unable to get 
> the license number or really much of a description of the vehicle. The little 
> gray kitty was badly injured, but she is taking good care of it, and has it 
> home with her tonight. He (or she) has eye and nose injuries, among others, 
> but I believe he is stable. My granddaughter messaged her friend and said 
> that she will help with the vet bill and also with the food and other 
> supplies she will need for this kitty. The friend says she is going to 
> provide a forever home for the kitty. I am dropping off some money in the 
> morning at my granddaughter’s house to pitch in, because she is going 
> shopping for kitty food, a bed, some toys, a brush, etc. for her friend. We 
> are just so irritated that someone would do something like this, and I am so 
> grateful there are people like my granddaughter and her friend who are 
> willing to do what it takes to help this poor little babe.
>  
> I am hoping someone on Facebook will see the story they posted, with 
> pictures, and turn this person in to the authorities. He also could have 
> caused an accident if the girl had swerved to avoid hitting the kitty – but I 
> suppose it happened so fast she probably didn’t even know what it was. I hope 
> this person does not have other pets, or children!
>  
> Thanks for listening!
> Ardy
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amy Glunt]

I've spent countless hours researching cold sores and remedies for them, and 
NEVER, until now, have I heard anything about cannabis oil as a treatment. But 
now, when I search specifically for that in relation to herpes virus, I'm 
astounded...all this time, there's been a possible cure, and somehow this 
information isn't widely known or shared? Such a shame! And of course, I live 
in a red state that doesn't recognize medical marijuana. What a blow. All of 
the days I've had to miss work, all the pain and physical/mental suffering (my 
outbreaks are terrible and unforgiving, with swollen lymph nodes and fever 
symptoms)...and if only I could get some cannabis oil, I may no longer have to 
suffer. I'll hold out hope. 
Once again, thank you Amani, for your incredibly vast amount of knowledge. You 
literally saved my cat's life, and maybe some day, your shared knowledge will 
save me from the agony of cold sores. 

Amy

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> On Jun 21, 2017, at 12:42 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Cannabis is an absolutely amazing product. Do your own research. You will see 
> very solid scientific evidence that backs up the many positive effects this 
> substance has. In fact, I was pretty enraged when I did the research. It is 
> clear that the decision to ban this substance was fraught with racial 
> overtones, and was introduced simply because after the demise of prohibition, 
> the government agency tasked with enforcing prohibition, needed a new 
> mandate. It is also appalling that because of this ill-conceived war on 
> drugs, and placing cannabis on Schedule 1 in the United States, virtually all 
> scientific testing was either banned completely, or faced so many obstacles, 
> that most scientists avoided doing any research on it at all. Thus, much of 
> the scientific studies come from Spain and Israel. Oddly enough, when a 
> pharmaceutical company decided to extract one of the key substances from the 
> cannabis plant and market it as Marinol, it suddenly went from having no 
> known medicinal qualities (the criteria to have it listed in Schedule 1) to 
> being a very effective drug which can be marketed and can make lots of money 
> for the drug company.
> 
> Do your own research. There is tons of stuff on the internet. There are 
> Harvard professors and top-notch researchers turning out excellent, amazing 
> research regarding the healing powers of this substance.
> 
> Oh, and the reason why so many of the States are now recognizing it for its 
> medicinal qualities and legalizing it, is because it is unbelievably 
> effective in helping young children suffering from severe forms of epilepsy 
> where they literally convulse hundreds of times an hour, and the only 
> medications heretofore even slightly effective would put these children into 
> complete zombie states. Cannabis not only relieves the unbearable non-stop 
> seizures, but doesn’t affect the children's level of consciousness. Parents 
> in states which have not legalized marijuana have literally moved their whole 
> families to other states to access medical marijuana when they have children 
> suffering these syndromes. Even Republicans have in some instances been moved 
> to back bills legalizing medical marijuana, when they have been confronted 
> with these suffering children. Medical marijuana has also been found to be 
> very effective for PTSD states, such as those suffered by servicemen and 
> women who have served overseas and have witnessed traumatic events. 
> 
> With respect to cancer therapy, one of the worst cancers is the glioma which 
> occurs in the brain. With such a diagnosis, most patients were dead within 6 
> months. Spanish researchers have recently shown that in mice with 
> experimentally-induced gliomas, and treated with cannabinoids, 1/3 showed 
> complete resolution of the glioma, 1/3 showed a standstill in the development 
> of the glioma, and 1/3 showed no improvement. Given that nothing else has 
> been found to be consistently helpful in treating gliomas, these results are 
> nothing short of earth-shattering. 
> 
> Read and learn. I cry when I think of all the people who might have been 
> helped if not for the conspiracy related to this drug. It is deeply deeply 
> disturbing.
> 
> Amani
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> dlg...@windstream.net
> Sent: June-21-17 4:26 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Cc: ROBERT CHAPEL
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine
> 
> I agree on the cannibinol.  I wonder if maybe some of this is to justify 
> making it legal saying it is for medical reasons.  It can't be all that 
> wonderful, nothing is and when someone tells me that, I get suspicious.
> 
>  ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote: 
>> 
> 
> 
> Amy
> I'm not able to link to the article simply because it was not something I 
> held on to...  At the time I had two FeLV+ young cats and I did NOT 

Re: [Felvtalk] Lysine

[Amy Glunt]

Bob, I'm curious if you could link to the study you mention. I've been taking 
lysine for years to help with my cold sores and I find that it most definitely 
IS effective at helping suppress them. Maybe it's different for animals. 

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> On Jun 20, 2017, at 2:04 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> 
> I too have read " A" study insisting that Lysine is of little value for 
> Herpes...  don't know if there is a lot of data about it's ineffectiveness 
> but vets I have gone to insist that it IS effective   I'd prefer to " 
> believe" at this point rather than to feel helpless... there are other 
> anti-virals one can use but they are rather expensive and have their share of 
> side effects  Once again... have to weight the benefits against the 
> drawbacks.
> 
> 
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>>   1. Re: Life Gold and Nu-Pet Feline Antioxidant (kat)
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>> Lycine is supposed to suppress, not eliminate, reproduction of the virus.  
>> Apparently it has been in use for decades.  It is an amino acid, so not 
>> harmful.  Googling just now I found a study that says it does not work.  
>> Nevertheless, I am going to use it to try and protect my other cats. 
>> Destiny's infection was never cultured, so might not be Herpe's anyway.  
>> Antibiotic seems to not be working either.  I am feeding cat food with a 
>> syringe and she is going to the vet today for a consult on using steroids 
>> and Zander's Protocol.
>> 
>> 
>> Marilyn
>> 
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Ardy Robertson
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 7:09 AM
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>> 
>> 
>> May I ask ? what is lycine that was mentioned for use in water dishes (not 
>> that Topaz drinks out of dishes! But Peekers does.)
>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit

[Amy Glunt]

Sherri,
I want to suggest a pill gun for giving pills to your Bogey. It's made giving 
the winstrol and pred to my Gravy such a breeze. Before, stuffing pills down 
her throat was traumatic (for both of us), but with the pill gun, I'm able to 
put both pills in it as well as a tiny bit of water, I tilt her head back and 
say "open" then squirt the pills down her throat...takes about 5 seconds, no 
fighting, it doesn't even bother her. Search "Kruuse Buster Pet Pill/Tablet 
Syringe with Soft Tip" on Amazon. I got mine from the vet. 

Amy
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> On Jan 5, 2017, at 11:02 PM, Ardy Robertson  wrote:
> 
> Hi Sherri,
> Hi – I recently wanted to look at my Topaz’ gums because she has black spots 
> in her mouth and I was concerned. She just would not let me in there for 
> anything……UNTIL, I realized she likes to bite on pens! So I can hold a pen 
> crossways, and she bites it, thus opening her mouth. I can see in there very 
> well, and the vet says there is nothing wrong – she just has that color 
> pigmentation in her mouth. But I could have easily held the pen with one hand 
> and snapped a picture with my phone in the other hand.
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sherri Godschalk
> Sent: Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:24 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit
>  
> I was leaning that way Amani and you just cemented it for me. I am just going 
> to dump that powder down the middle the best I can and give her half AM and 
> half PM. I think I will do the same with the Pred (split the pill). 5mg at 
> once seems like a lot for this little cat. (6lb 5oz). She may feel better 
> having it that way anyway. 
>  
> I have to say, I have trouble getting Bogey to take that Doxy. It must really 
> taste bad. I am going to try to crush it and put it in ice cream or yogurt 
> this time around. I also feel that the dose she is on for that is high. 25mg 
> twice a day. They cut the pills poorly the first time around and the “parts” 
> were smaller. When they refilled, they had the 100mg cut in actual quarters 
> and she took ill shortly after we started her back on it in December. 
>  
> My hope is that Bogey will be able to come off the meds for some periods like 
> your Zander did. I thought I was getting better at noticing pinkness in gums 
> and nose but clearly I haven’t mastered that yet. I looked at her gums today 
> and they looked awfully pink compared to 4 months ago. I tried to get her to 
> sit still while I took a pic of them for reference…gonna have to get another 
> pair of hands for that kind of photography. :-) 
>  
> We are about 4.5 months into this treatment. I hope that by restarting the 
> regiment of meds, with some changes, her numbers will come up to where they 
> were in December. I think we were really making progress.
>  
> Yea I don’t understand the “icteric” either. Just gonna accept that something 
> looked off to the tech and trust the results. (and you)
>  
> Your Zander…was a lucky little boy to have you!
>  
> From: Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani 
> Oakley 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Thursday, January 5, 2017 at 8:47 PM
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Greetings & Bogey's Doc Visit
>  
> I would suggest 1 mg 2x a day then, Sherri. I had Zander on 2 mg 2x a day but 
> only right at the start for a month or so to “kickstart” the process because 
> his haematocrit was s low. I think the usually recommended dose for 
> Winstrol for cats is 1 mg twice a day. I gave Zander his pills all at once – 
> prednisone, Winstrol and Doxycycline. I suspect that the problems you 
> encountered are far more likely to be related to the higher Winstrol dose 
> than the staggering of the medication.  
>  
> Now that you have clarified the dosing for Bogey, I think that the problem 
> was the high dosing of the Stanazolol. I think if you drop it by half, and 
> keep everything else the same, you might get a better response. Frankly, 
> though, it is the very fact that the numbers tumble every time the meds are 
> pulled, that convinces me that it is definitely the meds that are making such 
> a significant difference in the levels. I really found, with Zander, that it 
> took more than 10 months before the numbers would “stick” – ie – when I 
> discontinued the meds, that the numbers wouldn’t start to immediately 
> decline, and I was testing him weekly. I could always see an immediate 
> reaction in the blood work, if I pulled him off the Winstrol.
>  
> With Zander, after the 10 month period, I was able to wean him down, but that 
> probably took another 6 months or more. Thereafter, I watched him like a 
> hawk, and any time I saw his gums or ears fading in colour (and I got pretty 
> good at seeing it, as you might 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 58

[Amy Glunt]

Robert,
Have you tried Pet-Tinic or Liqui-Tinic? They are liquid iron supplements for 
cats. I have a bottle that I haven't used much of, I'm happy to mail it to you 
if you send me your address directly. Not sure how much it would help your boy, 
but it's better than nothing. 

Amy

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> On Dec 24, 2016, at 1:53 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> 
> Amani et al
> 
> Any idea of the life expectancy of untreated non regenerative anemia in a 
> FeLV catGot a call on Yogi's  Most Recent Bloodwork and the vet states 
> HCT of 14 and non regenerative anemia  I was taken aback and didn't ask 
> nearly enough questions but it was VERY clear that she felt it was time to 
> put the little guy down.   I am at the end of my money at this point and 
> cannot take him to a bunch of other vets hoping one will be willing to 
> prescribe the cocktail that is showing itself to be effective with others 
> cats...( I don't think I am going to get a lot of cooperation from the Vet I 
> was using after I gave her my opinion of her unwillingness to help me through 
> unconventional means).Nor can I afford Bone Marrow Biopsies and more 
> definitive narrowing of the parameters of his drop in blood values ( it's 
> Xmas eve and they are all gone from the office)   As much as I would like 
> to save this little guy... He has so many other things wrong with him that I 
> don't know that I
  am doing him any favors. Temp is 104...weight has dropped a full pound in 
the last 6 months If it weren't for the fact that he is still eating 
heartily I'd put him down Without further treatment is it kinder to put him 
down or allow nature to take it's course??.The idea of him suffering from 
an inability to get enough O2 is unacceptable
> any suggestions are welcome but... please...  no admonitions re: what I _ 
> should_ do.I have learned an immense amount from this experience and 
> will NOT repeat it...  My other boy is still doing OK and I WILL find someone 
> eventually that is willing to work with me..
> 
> 
> 
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>> From: Amani Oakley To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: 
>>  FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
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>> Randy
>> 
>> The news is good. Whatever works. I am a big believer in keeping close tabs 
>> on the bloodwork and adjusting the medication, depending on what the lab 
>> results show.
>> 
>> Given that Curley is eating and you are getting an improvement on the red 
>> cells already, I agree that the Winstrol and Doxy should help even more. 
>> Keep track of the blood work and adjust accordingly.
>> 
>> Amani
>> 
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Randy Henke
>> Sent: December-23-16 11:02 AM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Questioning FELV diagnosis
>> 
>> The situation with Curly is getting a bit more complicated but in a good 
>> way. Her blood work a week ago showed an RBC of 9 which is critically low. 
>> White cell count was 3.1. After one week of Prednisone her white cell count 
>> is 3.7 which is the low end of normal and her red blood cell count is up to 
>> 13 which is still very low but a very significant increase in just one week. 
>> So the Prednisone alone is making a big difference. We've now had two 
>> positive ELISA tests, a negative IFA and severe anemia that is responding 
>> well to just Prednisone. I am very confused. Even our vet seems surprised by 
>> the sudden improvement in her numbers. He thinks we should do a bone marrow 
>> biopsy for a definitive FELV diagnosis but I don't really want to put her 
>> through that procedure.
>> We did start the Winstrol a day ago so I would think that could only help 
>> more. We should be tapering down the Prednisone dose at this time but our 
>> vet now wants to continue the full dosage for another two weeks before 
>> running another CBC. And the Doxy will be started on Monday. I'm beginning 
>> to think she might pull out of this crisis and we might have a little more 

Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test

[Amy Glunt]

If my cat has tested negative on both, is it possible that she could be 
contagious in the future? I would like to get her a younger cat as a friend, 
especially now with her energy levels I think she would definitely benefit from 
having a feline partner. However I am not eager to have another cat with anemia 
and immune related issues. I figure if there's any chance of her shedding the 
virus, it's just not safe to bring another cat into the house, and I'm not sure 
how foolproof the vaccines are against the virus. 

Amy

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> On Dec 22, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Margo <toomanykitti...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> With a negative IFA, the cat should have no virus in a position to shed. It 
> is either not present, or is sequestered in the bone marrow, and undetectable 
> by IFA or Elisa. When a cat is shedding a virus, they are contagious. Is that 
> what you mean?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Margo
> 
> -Original Message-
>> From: "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila   DDS Timonium" 
>> <sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov>
>> Sent: Dec 22, 2016 8:12 AM
>> To: "'felvtalk@felineleukemia.org'" <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test
>> 
>> I had the same situation but when the IFA is negative, the cat should shed 
>> the virus after testing negative.   They normally retest every 3 months for 
>> the felv elisa test.  The IFA test is 99.9% accurate. 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Corinne Shank
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2016 8:34 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test
>> 
>> Amy,
>> 
>> Your story is similar to mine.  I think that there is so much that vets 
>> don't know about Felv, so it is great to hear from others with their 
>> situation.  When I found out that she had Felv from the Elisa test,  her 
>> blood work was fairly normal and since that time she has gained weight.  So 
>> I think it is wait and see situation.  She still likes to wake me up at 3:00 
>> am , so I think she still feels good. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:55 PM, Amy Glunt <amyynoe...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm interested in replies to this as well. I have a somewhat similar 
>>> experience which I have been pondering over. My own cat, Gravy, tested 
>>> positive on the Elisa for FeLV in March when we took her in for an ear 
>>> infection and persistent lethargy. A month ago she had both Elisa and IFA 
>>> tests and was negative for both and the vet said that the leukemia must 
>>> have gone dormant in her marrow but that she would still have a suppressed 
>>> immune system and if she gets ill again, the leukemia could possibly flare 
>>> back up. 
>>> Also, I got the news today that after a month on Winstrol and prednisolone 
>>> (we skipped the doxycycline since she was negative) her RBC has gone from 
>>> 16 to 40. She is a whole new cat, it's absolutely incredible, and I owe it 
>>> all to you guys here...my Christmas miracle!
>>> Sorry to hijack your post Corinne!
>>> 
>>> Amy
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Corinne Shank <cms9...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> My cat tested positive for Felv a few months ago from an Elisa test.  I 
>>>> had her tested after she had persistent yeast ear infections and I had 
>>>> read that immune suppressed cats were prone to yeast infections.  In 
>>>> addition,  when she was a kitten she tested positive but then tested 
>>>> negative.  I was told that she had shed the virus and that is why she 
>>>> tested negative.She is now 8 years old.
>>>> 
>>>> So I put off getting the IFA test as I wanted to see how she did and I 
>>>> felt that she probably was infected.  I finally took her in to get the 
>>>> test and it came back negative.  So I know that the virus is not in her 
>>>> bone marrow.  But what does this mean?  The vet said to bring her back in 
>>>> 6 months for a snap test to see if she has shed the virus, but is this 
>>>> really possible?
>>>> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Negative IFA test

[Amy Glunt]

I'm interested in replies to this as well. I have a somewhat similar experience 
which I have been pondering over. My own cat, Gravy, tested positive on the 
Elisa for FeLV in March when we took her in for an ear infection and persistent 
lethargy. A month ago she had both Elisa and IFA tests and was negative for 
both and the vet said that the leukemia must have gone dormant in her marrow 
but that she would still have a suppressed immune system and if she gets ill 
again, the leukemia could possibly flare back up. 
Also, I got the news today that after a month on Winstrol and prednisolone (we 
skipped the doxycycline since she was negative) her RBC has gone from 16 to 40. 
She is a whole new cat, it's absolutely incredible, and I owe it all to you 
guys here...my Christmas miracle!
Sorry to hijack your post Corinne!

Amy

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> On Dec 21, 2016, at 4:45 PM, Corinne Shank  wrote:
> 
> My cat tested positive for Felv a few months ago from an Elisa test.  I had 
> her tested after she had persistent yeast ear infections and I had read that 
> immune suppressed cats were prone to yeast infections.  In addition,  when 
> she was a kitten she tested positive but then tested negative.  I was told 
> that she had shed the virus and that is why she tested negative.She is 
> now 8 years old.
> 
> So I put off getting the IFA test as I wanted to see how she did and I felt 
> that she probably was infected.  I finally took her in to get the test and it 
> came back negative.  So I know that the virus is not in her bone marrow.  But 
> what does this mean?  The vet said to bring her back in 6 months for a snap 
> test to see if she has shed the virus, but is this really possible?
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol

[Amy Glunt]

Hello everyone,

Thanks so much. I'm all set up with Diamondback to get the stanozolol. The 
confirmation IFA test came back saying negative on FeLv as well, so all the vet 
and I can think is that the FeLV has gone into dormancy in her blood marrow 
since she positive in April. Hopefully the meds will get her anemia under 
control. Everything is looking positive...wishing well for everyone else and 
their kitties, hoping we all can have good outcomes. 

Amy

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> On Nov 10, 2016, at 7:39 AM, Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Amy,
> I googled "compounding pharmacy" and found Diamondback Drugs in Arizona. I
> directed my vet to their website - www.diamondbackdrugs.com - and from there
> they were able to fill out a prescription online. There is also a toll free
> number on the site that you can call and talk to a HUMAN not a machine. They
> are very helpful, my prescription was around $42 with shipping. They take
> credit cards, and ship right away. They understand you need it right away
> and have different shipping options. I got one refill, and then my vet would
> have to do another RX online etc. There are many forms, and flavors. I took
> the salmon-flavored liquid, but you can see what else is available. I highly
> recommend them. Best wishes to you!
> Ardy
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amy
> Glunt
> Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2016 2:44 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Found a new vet and re-tested my felv+ cat, she is up from an RBC count of
> 10 earlier this year when she was diagnosed, to a 16. She also didn't test
> positive on the ELISA test this time so a secondary IFA test is being run,
> results tomorrow. Not 100% sure what this all means. But the vet was open
> and interested when I asked about options involving stanozolol, and she did
> some research on it and wasn't finding that it's available in the US. I
> thought surely that's wrong, since some of you have been able to get it...so
> I would like to ask, especially Amani, Ardy, and Sherri...where are your
> vets getting the steroids from? She also mentioned it as an injectable form,
> does anyone have experience with that? From everything I've read here, you
> all use the pill form. 
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Amy
> 
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[Felvtalk] Vet asks, where to source stanozolol

[Amy Glunt]

Hi all,

Found a new vet and re-tested my felv+ cat, she is up from an RBC count of 10 
earlier this year when she was diagnosed, to a 16. She also didn't test 
positive on the ELISA test this time so a secondary IFA test is being run, 
results tomorrow. Not 100% sure what this all means. But the vet was open and 
interested when I asked about options involving stanozolol, and she did some 
research on it and wasn't finding that it's available in the US. I thought 
surely that's wrong, since some of you have been able to get it...so I would 
like to ask, especially Amani, Ardy, and Sherri...where are your vets getting 
the steroids from? She also mentioned it as an injectable form, does anyone 
have experience with that? From everything I've read here, you all use the pill 
form. 

Thanks!

Amy

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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol

[Amy Glunt]

I think it would be really great if we could all compile a list of vets that 
prescribe the stanzolol, perhaps by state. That would be a really great 
resource for people who are looking for this information. I'm calling around my 
city tomorrow to see if I can find any vets who will prescribe it for my cat. 

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> On Oct 1, 2016, at 9:08 PM, Sherri Godschalk  wrote:
> 
> Had to shorten this…hope it doesn’t post twice as it went to the moderator 
> because of size.
> 
> Good to know about the liver test. I will NOT mention it to my vet. 
> 
> Since this whole process has started for Bogey and I, I often wonder what 
> logic is used when saying that the side affects from taking the Stanzolol are 
> liver issues, but the side effect of not taking it, is death. I know for me 
> personally, if I was sick and facing this decision, I know what I would do 
> without question. Believe it or not, I read that exact paper you are 
> describing when Bogey was first prescribed the Stanzolol. (Google search) I 
> felt pretty defeated (although many of the terms were over my head) after 
> reading it. I did not notice the dosages though. Doesn’t sound like a very 
> scientific study does it. Maybe we should start our own. Post the names of 
> vets who are willing to prescribe it as well as the results each person has 
> with their pet that is taking it. There again, I am way out in front of 
> myself here because Bogey is not thriving but she did just run into the room 
> with a Q-tip in her mouth (her favorite toy) and 60 days ago she could barely 
> walk into the room without laying down. She has also steadily gained weight. 
> Over a pound which doesn’t sound like much but she barely weighed 5 pounds to 
> begin with. Life is still happening here.
> 
> It does seem like there is secrecy surrounding vets prescribing Stanzolol. 
> Almost like I am scoring some heroin or something. (no I am not a drug user) 
> From what you found with your other cat, clearly this could be a positive 
> choice for inoperable tumors, and or life extending treatment for senior 
> pets. At any rate, I feel luckier each day that my current vet values the 
> life of my cat enough to try to save her. It sounds like your vet is terrific 
> and that you have a great, long relationship with them. I hope to have the 
> same, one day.
> 
> Sherri
> 
> From: Felvtalk  on behalf of Amani 
> Oakley 
> Reply-To: 
> Date: Friday, September 30, 2016 at 8:29 PM
> To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
> Subject: [Felvtalk] FW: FW: Continued Improvement for Bogey on Stanzolol
> 
> Sherri
>  
> I wouldn’t recommend you run the liver enzymes. If they rise (and they often 
> do) it will cause your vet to try to get you to stop the Winstrol.
>  
> I was running a full biochemistry profile along with the full haematology 
> profile on Zander. So tests like ALP, AST, ALT, TBili and DBili are 
> indicators of liver function. With Zander, they rose sharply, but there was 
> simply no other option but to continue. I had done all my research, tried out 
> the two most likely new and promising therapies (LTCI and Interferon) and 
> they were not at all (I mean AT ALL) helpful. So, discontinuing the Winstrol 
> meant certain death for Zander. I am so glad I ignored the liver enzymes. 
> They settled down on their own, and Zander never had any liver problems after 
> almost a FULL YEAR on Winstrol.
>  
> I had another cat with a nasal sarcoma, who was 16 when she got the sarcoma 
> and a tiny skinny thing. I put her on Winstrol because again, there were no 
> really good options. Again, I had a great response, with it upping her 
> appetite dramatically, and keeping the sarcoma in a shrunken state with far 
> less discharge and swelling than prior to the administration of the Winstrol. 
> Her liver enzymes went through the roof and the vet (a very good friend of 
> mine who is the head of vet oncology and a brilliant man) knowing how I feel 
> about Winstrol, just asked if I would agree to discontinue the Winstrol to 
> see if the liver enzymes would reduce. (Very gently. He knew he was on thin 
> ice.)  I did, for a few weeks, then put her back on. She lived to age 19 with 
> that sarcoma, because the Winstrol kept her eating, and happy and strong.
>  
> One of the smart folks on this chatline, recently sent me what was likely the 
> stupid vet research publication which likely started the whole “liver” scare. 
> Look it up because I cannot attach it to this email as it will not go 
> through. The title is, “Hepatotoxicity of stanozolol in cats” by Kenneth R. 
> Harkin, et. al. in JAVMA, Vol. 217, No. 5, September 1, 2000. Bizarrely, in 
> this study, the authors put the cats on a “loading dose” of 25 mg 
> intramuscularly, then 2 mg a day by mouth, every 12 hours. So, just for 
> starters, you see that for some