Re: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of my
Czadna You have my condolences on the loss of your Shallie Marie. It always hurts to lose a beloved feline friend. May your good memories and the love between you help heal your heart. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 11:54 AM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of my * six that tested positive in March 2010. * * Thanks for being with us - - lights in the darkness. I had suspected she was crashing. Vets thought it was dental . . . two weeks later. will leave it there. * * Now she joins her intrepid son Isaac, Mama and Luscious, Torie Rose and BreAnne. cz ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Adopting
Good for you for keeping her. You'll have a friend for life!
Bonnie
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On Nov 26, 2013, at 3:56 PM, Kristi Stringer kristi.stringer@gmail.com
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I just found out that the cat i am adopting has Felv but have decided to give
her a loving home anyway Working with retrovirises is part of my job {in
humans } so i feel like i could provide her with the love and care she needs.
Any advice asbo begin this journey?
Currently she is symptomatic
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Re: [Felvtalk] dermatitis, steroids, and FeLV+ cats
Lance I had a cat with perseveration licking who removed all the fur under her front leg. No one ever found a root cause and the only thing the vet could think of was a steroid shot. That was 23 years ago! My Martha did not have FeLv that we knew of. She lived to be nearly 21 years old. The steroids helped but did not cure her problem. This doesn't directly answer your question, but I offer it in case it helps. Your obvious care for Ember is so touching. Best of luck. Bonnie Sent from my iPhone On Nov 5, 2013, at 5:34 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi all, My Ember has had dermatitis for about two months now. A month ago, the vet gave her a Convenia shot, and that didn’t seem to change things much. I gave her 2mg of chlor trimeton twice a day for five days, and that hasn’t changed anything substantially. She has lesions on her neck and shoulders, and there also must be some near her backside, as she’s licked some hair off her legs, lower tail, and stomach. I should note that I’m 99.9% certain this has nothing to do with fleas. Ember has no exposure to other animals or the outside (she’s isolated in a set of rooms on the second floor of this house), I have seen no fleas on her, and I haven’t had any jump on me. The vet found none on her when she went in a month ago. I spoke to the vet today, and she mentioned that they usually give cats with this type of dermatitis a steroid injection, but that she worries about doing that to Ember, given her FeLV+ status. The vet did say that, rather than an injection, we could try tablets. That would at least allow us to control how much exposure Ember gets. Right now, this doesn’t seem to be life-threatening. I’m wondering what others have done in this situation. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bunny Passed Away This Evening
Lee Condolences on the loss of your little Bunny. Sounds like she had a good life with you, Samson and Delilah. You did all you could. I wish you luck in helping the others, and hope your heart break heals soon, through the memory of your furry friend. Peace Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2013 4:50 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Bunny Passed Away This Evening She came to me two and a half years ago when she was around 9 months old. She had been abandoned at an apartment complex, rescued but then tested FeLv+. She was brought to me to see if she would turn negative. She did! I kept her anyway because she had a few bad habits, like biting my fingers when I was sleeping and trying to tear apart my iPod headphones. She was very mischievous. I named her Bunny because she was brought to me on Easter Sunday. She has lived with me and two other cats in my bedroom/home office since that Easter in 2011. About two weeks ago I noticed a change in her behavior. She no longer pestered Delilah, the resident female cat in the room and she seemed to lose interest in sleeping on the bed with me and Samson and Delilah (the two other cats in the room). However she was eating normally and nothing else seemed out of place. I assumed that it was the change in the weather from very hot to nice, cool evenings and then to rain. On Saturday of last week she seemed lethargic. She was not eating her usual amount of food and not drinking her usual amount of water. I checked her gums to see if it might be stomatitis or some bad tooth upsetting her but her gums were very pale and so was her tongue. I immediately thought it was flea anemia. I took her to the vet on Tuesday because Monday is usually very busy with dogs there. She was more lethargic and depressed by then and her appetite had all but disappeared. She was still drinking water. She had no fleas so I asked the vet to re-test her for FeLv. Sure enough, she was positive. She had all the classic symptoms of active FeLv. I was heart broken but still, I asked him to give her some meds to make her more comfortable and perhaps get back her appetite. He gave her cortisone. Today, she was no better. She just lay on her towel and couldn't make it to the litter box although it was just a few steps away. I took her in again and he gave her some fluids, not too much because he said it would make her even more anemic. He gave her a little more cortisone to try to kick start her appetite. I had been syringe feeding her by then. He also gave her a small dose of Convenia and some B-complex but nothing helped. She passed several hours after the vet visit. I probably should have had him help her pass but I just didn't want to give up hope. There is a question here, in all this upsetting dialog. My other two cats who slept with me and Bunny and groomed each other, ate with each other, drank and used the same litter box are around 7 years old. The vet told me that once they are into adulthood, they are not as likely to get FeLv as they would if they were under 2 years old. Is this true? I will have them tested in about 3 weeks anyway to see what happened, if anything. Also, has anyone had the experience of a young cat throwing off the virus and turning negative, then turning positive again after a year, or was that second test after I had held her in isolation for 4 months a false negative? Right now I'm fostering a kitten who has tested negative for FIV/FeLv. She is several rooms away from where Bunny has lived. They never came in contact with each other but I have walked from my bedroom into the kitten's room to feed, clean, etc.. Did I put her at risk? This is desperately upsetting. I have decided not to take in any more fosters with FeLv. I have never had this happen before. Most of my turned cats are still with me and are well into several years of adulthood. I usually don't have good results with getting turned cats adopted because most people don't want the possibility that the cat is harboring the disease. Maybe Bunny had it in her bone marrow and tested negative on the regular SNAP test. I should have tested with the IFA also but don't have much money to spare. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] virus has finally caught up with her
Jennifer I'm so sorry you had to go through this (both you and Sasha). May it be of comfort to know she is no longer suffering. Peace Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jennifer Ballew Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 4:16 AM To: felvtalk Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] virus has finally caught up with her Lorrie- Thank you for the kind words. I debated back and forth, and after a lnng discussion with the vet I decided putting her down was the best thing for her. I did what you did: gave her the best life I could, but let her go when it was time. Thanks again, Jennifer On Oct 11, 2013 5:41 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Dear Jennifer, You did the right thing. I have had many FelV cats, and other than giving fluids to make them more comfortable or taking care of something like an infection that a vet can treat, I will NOT put a cat of mine thru any heroic measures. I have tried assist feeding, and I've watched them gag and try to get away from me. This is pure torture for them as well as for me, the torturer. I know a lot of you will disagree with me, but when a FelV cat becomes desperately ill I put them down. I give my FelV cats as good a life as I can while they are alive and well, but when they are dying I let them go. Thank you for making the brave decision you made. You will miss Sasha terribly, but you did the kindest thing you could for her. Hugs for you from Lorrie On 10-10, Jennifer Ballew wrote: Put Sasha down today. I think it was time. :-( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] virus has finally caught up with her
Well said, Kat. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of katskat1 Sent: Friday, October 11, 2013 8:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] virus has finally caught up with her It kills a part of me every time I have to make that decision. Just today an elderly dog I cared for a great deal had to be helped across the Rainbow Bridge because he had lost all control of his hindquarters and could no longer pee or poop. Rowdy was only with our rescue a year or so after his humans could no longer deal with him but during that year he was a very happy and loved old goof ball and I really think the attention he finally received and the joy he had in his last year of life were a present we were able to give to him. In return he loved the heck out of us and life. So, while it hurts, remember the love you gave and the love you received and be content in the belief you didn't allow it to drag on to where she would have gone over the bridge with unhappy experiences being her last. You did the loving thing. Thank you. Kat On Friday, October 11, 2013, Lorrie wrote: Dear Jennifer, You did the right thing. I have had many FelV cats, and other than giving fluids to make them more comfortable or taking care of something like an infection that a vet can treat, I will NOT put a cat of mine thru any heroic measures. I have tried assist feeding, and I've watched them gag and try to get away from me. This is pure torture for them as well as for me, the torturer. I know a lot of you will disagree with me, but when a FelV cat becomes desperately ill I put them down. I give my FelV cats as good a life as I can while they are alive and well, but when they are dying I let them go. Thank you for making the brave decision you made. You will miss Sasha terribly, but you did the kindest thing you could for her. Hugs for you from Lorrie On 10-10, Jennifer Ballew wrote: Put Sasha down today. I think it was time. :-( ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home?
I just figured our kitties are fine and we're hunkering down getting ready for Fall! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, October 07, 2013 12:15 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? Yahoo. was having some problems a few weeks ago. Sometimes nobody, thankfully, is having any problems. Sometimes no news is good news Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: kat merrykatme...@email.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 7, 2013 1:30 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? I'm here - tho I mainly just lurk these days.. It has been quiet. Kat (Mew Jersey) - Original Message - From: Lee Evans Sent: 10/07/13 01:25 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Anyone Home? I haven't received any messages from the group in over two weeks! Yahoo was sending back my messages with the information that the address no longer exists. What gives? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers
Lee Was grandma from the old country by chance? Sounds like some ideas other cultures might have. The coffee actually doesn't sound half bad, but then I always loved the skin on my hot chocolate as a kid. The feathers? Well, I'd have to be awfully hungry on that one... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 5:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers Egads Lee, I'm sure you were not eager to visit granny!! On 09-14, Lee Evans wrote: Not kidding about the chicken feather soup. She also specialized in coffee boiled with milk and coffee grounds. Then after a while, it would form a leather skin on top and we had to cut through to the coffee. Yech! Burned scrambled eggs, almost raw liver, black toast. I would say that my grandmother was a very intelligent woman but not a gourmet cook. My uncles cat loved the liver though. __ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers
What a lovely memory, Lee. And what a time that was. Gone now! You have something to treasure there! I envy that connection to European (or Ashkenazim) roots. Many of us are just non-descript white folks of vague European peasant heritage (grin). The salt of the earth - nothing to be ashamed of! Cheers! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 1:33 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers This was a long time ago, in the 1950's when there were still private butchers and my grandmother would buy her chickens from the butcher who would pluck them there in the store so some feathers were always left on. Yes, she was from Odessa, Russia and only spoke German and Russian. She would tell me (in German and broken English) that the coffee was a French recipe. My grandfather had traveled all the way from France across Europe to Russia. He was an itinerant philosophy professor and taught his way across Europe at Universities. The French coffee was probably his idea. I was too young to drink coffee but it was traditional to put some in my milk. Then I would watch the coffee grains float. I loved my grandmother. She was very kind to me and I loved visiting her because I could go through the mysterious wardrobes and inspect the dresses and hats my aunt created. The building was in an ethnic neighborhood in New York City, the doors were never locked and people of every color and language were constantly walking in and out, as were dogs and cats from the area. I picked up a rudimentary understanding of quite a few languages before I was a teenager. There were always strangers in the apartment having coffee or a meal and conversations with my grandmother or my uncle and always some dog or cat being fed in the hallway. _ From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 12:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers Lee Was grandma from the old country by chance? Sounds like some ideas other cultures might have. The coffee actually doesn't sound half bad, but then I always loved the skin on my hot chocolate as a kid. The feathers? Well, I'd have to be awfully hungry on that one... -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 5:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Chicken feathers Egads Lee, I'm sure you were not eager to visit granny!! On 09-14, Lee Evans wrote: Not kidding about the chicken feather soup. She also specialized in coffee boiled with milk and coffee grounds. Then after a while, it would form a leather skin on top and we had to cut through to the coffee. Yech! Burned scrambled eggs, almost raw liver, black toast. I would say that my grandmother was a very intelligent woman but not a gourmet cook. My uncles cat loved the liver though. __ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Charle
Wow - good for you for doing right by Buttercup! You'll go to heaven on that one ;-) From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 4:04 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charle I don't know why some vets are so uninformed but I have had seemingly intelligent vets tell me that this or that cat had FIP because the cat had a high titer for the corona virus. This is NOT FIP. Many cats get a corona virus. Some actually become ill from it but with regular symptoms of illness - high fever, anorexic, lethargic but not the usual fluid filled chest cavity that is one of the signs of FIP (but could also be heart disease). FIP is not all that common in cats, even in strays. The few cats I rescued with genuine FIP were NOT FeLv+ or FIV+. It seems to me that vets want to blame every illness on cats who are positive for one of the combo test disorders. Sometimes I suspect that the vets want to give us a reason to dispose of the cat without having a guilty conscience since it's terminally ill anyway. I had a cat with a high titer for the corona virus. She was diagnosed with FIP. What she had was a high fever. She had a miscarriage (pregnant stray calico, very friendly) in my backyard. She was burning up with fever. They said to have her euthanized. I said no. They said FIP, I said no. She had to be spayed on an emergency basis because the rest of the fetuses were not alive. They returned a live almost bald skeleton cat to me and told me she had about a 10% chance of living through the week because she had FIP. I said she did not have it. Took home Buttercup, syringe fed her for almost a month. Flea combed her every day in the isolation room she inhabited in my house. She began eating on her own after a month. Her fur grew back. She began high-jumping after bouncing balls. She grew fat. I took her back for her rabies shot and vet was astonished. Said she had recovered from FIP. I said she had recovered from a corona virus infection. She was eventually adopted.My FeLv+ cats never had FIP. Some actually fought off the FeLv virus and now test negative. Two passed away from the disease when it became active. _ From: Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, September 15, 2013 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charle Hi Beth, That's new to me. Could you please point me towards more information? I've had several cats diagnosed with FIP, and none were confirmed, so I'm curious as to a possible link to FeLV. Might explain a few things. Thanks, Margo -Original Message- From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com Sent: Aug 10, 2013 10:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Charle FIP is common in FeLV cats Marci Greer frecklescras...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi everyone,We took Charles (felv+) to the vet this morning and they did an xray of his chest, their is a lot of fluid in his chest cavity, she said it could possibly be a tumor. She gave him a shot of cortisone and a shot of Lasix, sent us home with Lasix pills as well. I am hoping that the Lasix gets rid of all of the fluid and hopefully we can by some time if it is a tumor. If anyone has any advise or thoughtsI don't wantto loose one of our babies. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans
Completely Funny!! LOL! ;-) But the Politician Plate would be wy too fatty! From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Friday, September 13, 2013 2:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans Yum! And the choices for Population Control Pate can be Burglar Beef in Gravy, Rapist Shreds and WifeBeater Bits all formulated for nutritional balance by Friskems Criminal Cat Food Company. And for the fat cat who really loves Premium Food at a high price, you can have Politician Pate and Pork Barrel Pork. _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2013 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] OT - using humans What a great idea, and not just naturally deceased humans for cat food, but child molesters, rapists, etc. Entirely too many humans are degenerates who would make excellent cat chow!! On 09-11, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: and when do they start using deceased humans as an acceptable source of protein. They already use animals euthanized by humane society. I think it is time for God to put an end to us, we do not deserve to live on this beautiful planet that we are in the processing of destroying. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
Gosh, thanks so much for the encouragement. I just called made an appointment to take Lucky back to the vet in 45 minutes. And I’ll join the FLUTD group – that will be helpful. He’s on Uroeze because he didn’t like CD food formulated to help with this….maybe just straight canned Wellness or something. Guess I can re-arrange feeding stations to accommodate a special dieter! I thought the surgery he had three years ago would take care of all this but guess not. He’s 14 years old and a very special cat to me – used to be my mother’s cat and she passed away almost 3 years ago, so he’s “my family.” He’s a great tuxedo guy too, really smart. Anyway, I’m worried and really want to help him. He’s sure helped me and my family through tough times. Thanks again, all. Really appreciate your help! Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:41 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals I agree, left alone the condition is lethal. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:46 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Hi Bonnie, So sorry that Lucky is having urinary issues. If he is going in the litter box and crying, and not producing urine, I would take him back in or call the vet immediately. Did he have the surgery to remove his penis, can't think of the name of it, sorry, or did he just have a blockage that was unblocked previously?? If he can't pass urine, that is an emergency, or he could just have a lot of inflammation and/or bladder spasms, but this could lead to another blockage, so the sooner you treat this the better. Is he urinating at all? My cat, Jack, had a blockage about 4 years ago. He only liked Royal Canin Urinary SO canned of the 3 major brands that the vet suggested, including CD and Purina brands. He had to go off of the canned Royal Canin because he has Hypertrophic Cardiomyopathy and that food had way too much salt in it. That's when I joined the yahoo group on FLUTD cats and decided to go off of the vet formulas, and just feed canned, non fish or grain foods. Here is the link to join http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/FLUTD/ you have to join to see messages. That group has great info and support, I would encourage you to join. It's a very active group, and a few of the most knowledgable folks answer your questions very quickly. Anyway, now I have Jack on canned meaty food, which I add even a little extra water too, no grain, and he does great on it. There are other things to look at besides the crystals. Like you said, stress, there is also just inflammation without bacteria, that many cats are thrown on antibiotics for, even though they don't really have a UTI, bladder spasms, weak bladder wall, etc. The yahoo groups has a lot of super info on all these subjects and different treatment, many holistic. Hope he starts to feel better soon, please call the vet to let her/him know what is going on. Shelley On Sep 10, 2013, at 11:37 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! Thanks Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
Great information, Margo. Thanks a million! I have some questions for my vet. Lucky was on Antrobe Aquadrops for a u.t.i. If it isn’t crystals, I wonder what it could be. Maybe still u.t.i.? the vet didn’t say anything about idiopathis cystitis (that I recall). Lucky eats (as do the other 3 in the house) Evo turkey dry food – no grains. Another ver suggested it is a good all around cat food and she’s never seen a cat develop crystals on it. I’m wondering if I should get another vet opinion…but this seems so straightforward (common?). Thanks again Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 7:08 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Hi Bonnie, I can relate. Two of my positives are also struvite crystal formers.Two main questions. What is he eating? Was a culture and sensitivity done to confirm actual bacterial infection, or did the Vet just prescribe abx, and what was Lucky taking? Uroeze is a urine acidifier, so I guess you're dealing with struvite stones. It's very unusual for a cat to block after PU surgery, so likely the crystals aren't the cause of his discomfort. Has your Vet mentioned Idiopathis cystitis? http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?A=612 If he's taking the Uroeze, he should NOT eat c/d or any other food designed to prevent struvite crystals. That wouls be way to much, and push towards possible oxylate formation. He should eat exclusively canned food, but just regular grain free, high meat (no filler) food. If you prefer to have a prescription food rather than the uroeze, there are other brands that may be more palatable. Try different kinds. Wishing you both the best, Margo -Original Message- From: Bonnie Hogue Sent: Sep 10, 2013 11:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; crystals in urine (it’s happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a pill called “Uroeze” to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he is still having problems – pee spots around the house, he’s restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don’t know what to do. He won’t eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. Any ideas? I’d sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! Thanks Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today. The great news is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some arthritis in his back). He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his urinary tract. They did not see any crystals. The vet did say his bladder is very small and looks very inflamed. So they gave him a shot of an anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye. Poor little dude, he sure went through a lot today! Now he's home, getting re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling. Looks like I've got a FLUTD feline here. They gave me a prescription for another type of special food (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD). Fingers crossed. Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and encouragements. Lucky thanks you too! Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
I know, the food issue is and issue! I would feed them frozen (thawed) mice if I thought it'd keep them healthy! No magic formula I guess. When it comes down to it, human animals face similar problems. Our diet helps or hurts us, depending. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:03 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals Struvite crystals have always been the cu;print here. Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
I had been feeding them all EVO dry food. I'm going to try Lucky on Royal Canin SO diet (canned). My fingers are crossed he'll eat it! B. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky no research, just an interview with the ceo and he said well it is protein. i like the wellness turkey mostly because that is one T hey will eat. they also like Blue Buffalo duck and turkey. NO ONE LIKES CHICKEN NO MATTER WHAT THE BRAND. BEEF IS SO, SO AND FISH JUST SITS THERE UNTIL I THROW IT OUT. UNLESS I GET CANNED MACKERAL FOR HUMANS THAT WE LOVE BECAUSE IT IS STINKY. I SWITCHED TO BLUE BUFFALO BECAUSE OF THE GRAIN ISSUE. WHEN I DID THAT, ALL THE UP CHUCKING STOPPED, SO NOW, I LOOK FOR GRAIN FREE, MEAT FIRST INGREDIENTS. Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi, Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well documented source coroborating that information? I use RC SO when I need to add dry, so I'd like to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has shown. Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of stones/crystals in some cats. Margo -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH THEIR CEO SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS. WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today. The great news is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some arthritis in his back). He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his urinary tract. They did not see any crystals. The vet did say his bladder is very small and looks very inflamed. So they gave him a shot of an anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye. Poor little dude, he sure went through a lot today! Now he's home, getting re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling. Looks like I've got a FLUTD feline here. They gave me a prescription for another type of special food (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD). Fingers crossed. Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and encouragements. Lucky thanks you too! Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or g ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky
Thanks, Margo (and everyone who helped). Lucky actually ate the RC s/o diet tonight! And he is at least going out to the cat boxes in the garage rather than trying to pee in the house. We have some anti-inflammatory to help with his urgency I hope. Hopefully we're crossing a bridge toward better health for Lucky! I know I can feed him separately, the problem is, the other cats still eat the dry food, and I need to keep him out of it. Wish us well! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Margo Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 3:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky Hi Bonnie, Since there was no evidence of crystals, Id just go for a high meat canned food (like the EVO 95% varieties), without the acidifiers. Using that could incline him towards oxylate stones, which are much more difficult to deal with. Margo -Original Message- From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Sent: Sep 11, 2013 5:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky I had been feeding them all EVO dry food. I'm going to try Lucky on Royal Canin SO diet (canned). My fingers are crossed he'll eat it! B. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2013 1:10 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky no research, just an interview with the ceo and he said well it is protein. i like the wellness turkey mostly because that is one T hey will eat. they also like Blue Buffalo duck and turkey. NO ONE LIKES CHICKEN NO MATTER WHAT THE BRAND. BEEF IS SO, SO AND FISH JUST SITS THERE UNTIL I THROW IT OUT. UNLESS I GET CANNED MACKERAL FOR HUMANS THAT WE LOVE BECAUSE IT IS STINKY. I SWITCHED TO BLUE BUFFALO BECAUSE OF THE GRAIN ISSUE. WHEN I DID THAT, ALL THE UP CHUCKING STOPPED, SO NOW, I LOOK FOR GRAIN FREE, MEAT FIRST INGREDIENTS. Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi, Could you provide a link to that? Or some other well documented source coroborating that information? I use RC SO when I need to add dry, so I'd like to be informed, but that contradicts what my research has shown. Wellness foods have been implicated in the formation of stones/crystals in some cats. Margo -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sep 11, 2013 3:16 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Lucky WATCH ROYAL CANNIN, THEY LIST AS FIRST INGREDIENT CHICKEN MEAL WHICH THEIR CEO SAID ON TV INTERVIEW IS GROUND UP CHICKEN FEATHERS. WELLNESS IS BETTER CHOICE. Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: We spent a lot of time (and almost $500) at the vet today. The great news is Lucky's blood work looks real good, as do his x-rays (he does have some arthritis in his back). He has no apparent blockages (tumors) in his urinary tract. They did not see any crystals. The vet did say his bladder is very small and looks very inflamed. So they gave him a shot of an anti-inflammatory/anti-pain med (a good thing, he calmed down a lot, which is good to see), gave him anti-biotic (suspected u.t.i.), anti-inflammatory and an ocular anti-biotic/steroid for his runny (herpes) eye. Poor little dude, he sure went through a lot today! Now he's home, getting re-acquainted with the other cats and chilling. Looks like I've got a FLUTD feline here. They gave me a prescription for another type of special food (Royal Canine) which I'll try (he hates the CD). Fingers crossed. Thank you all for your words of advice, help, suggestions and encouragements. Lucky thanks you too! Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.o r g ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.or g ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Male Cat Urinary Crystals
Poor Lucky. He had a bad u.t.i. about 10 days ago. Went to the vet; crystals in urine (it's happened before, in fact he had surgery to widen the urethra). Vet prescribed antibiotics (he just finished them today). Also a pill called Uroeze to help keep crystals from forming (3x daily!). But he is still having problems - pee spots around the house, he's restless, just tried to pee in the box but nothing. I feel so badly for him -- he must be uncomfortable. And he looks at me a meows! I hate to just run to the vet (it stresses Lucky, he pants on the way home), but don't know what to do. He won't eat the CD food designed to reduce whatever causes the crystals. Any ideas? I'd sure appreciate it, and so would Lucky! Thanks Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Undesirable or just plain ugly cats
Yep. We loves 'em cuz they're there. Hemi hisses at me when I come around a corner too fast startle her. Princess eats and sleeps all day. Will is afraid of his shadow. But as they are all rehabilitated ferals I figure, Who Knows what trouble they've seen. And I feel better seeing Hemi sleeping in the shade in the yard, or Princess curled up in her bed on the couch, or the lump of Will under the covers on my bed. They may be crazy, but they are safe and sound an provide good company and a few laughs! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2013 4:39 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Undesirable or just plain ugly cats Hey Lee, You gave me a much needed laugh this morning, with your cat names. Among my crew is a Fat Bastard who has been with us for 8 years now. The thanks I get for rescuing him is getting bitten when I try to even briefly pet him. He is a miserable cat who bolts his food and then shoves his fat face in the other cats food bowls forcing them to run for their lives. I keep him because I'm too tender hearted to get rid of him, but oh how I'd love to find him a nice barn home. Lorrie On 08-14, Lee Evans wrote: You really have to decide why you are testing. If a cat is ill with the Mystery Illness, of course you need to run some tests to pinpoint what may be the cause of the illness. If you are adopting out, you probably should do a combo test without the heartworm part which I learned from this list can screw up the results of the other tests in the combo. However, if the 4 kittens mentioned have tested negative, I don't see any reason why not to adopt out. Because, and this is important to remember, the person wanting the kitten or a couple of kittens will get a couple of kittens from someone, somewhere and that person probably won't test at all, just advertise free to good home, healthy kittens. As long as the test is not definitely positive, you can ethically adopt out. I had an FIV+ cat who was not when I took him in. He was negative but thin. I polished him up and fattened him up and took him for adoption at the Humane Society here and they tossed him back to me as FIV+. I retested and sure enough. He had been incubating it for the months I had him fattening up and getting ready for his big day. Well, I still have Lancelot, mixed in with my regular gang because that's how he was when I took him home as a negative and he is still with me about 7 years later. Now, I know this is only FIV, not as serious as FeLv but still. You can't predict the future as far as will the cat some day turn positive for FeLv. You shouldn't spend much needed money testing and re-testing to make all the planets line up correctly. My three originally positive FeLv cats who turned negative are still with me. If anyone had wanted the ugly mutts, I would have cheered and given them away in a nanosecond. But no one wanted a dumb possum faced tabby or an all black cat with a sort of snake like face or Percy who had an attitude and lost the virus but not the attitude. Lest anyone try to get on me for calling them ugly mutts, hey I call it like it is. That doesn't mean I don't love them. I love ugly mutts the most. Even when they are cats. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight
Karen Bless you for trying to help these creatures. I offer you prayers and moral support! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2013 12:39 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Karen Harshbarger Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] struggling tonight You have a lot on your plate. My problems have always come one at a time. That has been frightening and frustrating enough. I will keep you and all of your cats in my prayers, you need them. Karen Harshbarger harshbargerka...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, I joined all of these group cause I have kittys with all of these illnesses---one with CRF, 4 with feline leukemia, and little Tig that I lost had very bad anemia/feline leukemia/upper respiratory/etc.etc. and unfortunately I know that Anemia is probably coming for my 4 kittys with feline leukemia---just a matter of when. My kitty with CRF has slight anemia. I have 5 other cats that live with me and there are 2 little ones that recently showed up on my patio. Tonight I am sitting up with one of my kitties that has feline leukemia because he is sick he is throwing up white bubbly phlem and would not eat tonight. (before tonight, he was doing so good I thought that he might be one of the lucky ones that would fight off this awful illness before his second test) Cole is very sick and I am very very worried about him and just trying to figure out what I am going to do next so that I don't loose him like I lost his brother little Tig recently As I read through all the posts I realize that there are a lot of caring people out there trying very hard to do what I am doingkeep their cats as happy and healthy as they can and with them as long as they can. It is a good thing that there are so many caring people, but a sad thing that there are so many sick little cats. .I also wonder how all of you afford to get all the tests and medicines, as I am really struggling with that and not sure how I am financially going to keep up and worry that I am not doing all that I can or should cause I can't afford to do all these expensive blood tests, etc or a regular basis. so that better diagnosis can be done. I also worry that the vets around here are not up on all the latest things to help my little ones with all their illnesses.and that I am not smart enough to understand it all to figure out if the vet is doing the right thing. I some times worry, especially nights like this when I sit up tired and very worried with a sick little cat that I did not know enough or do enough for little Tig, causing him to leave this world at only 11 months old. I also worry that I am not giving these little guys all that they need. Would love hearing any suggestions. Sorry about the rambling. I am just struggling to find direction as I sit up with poor little sick Cole as he struggles with this awful illness.Thanks, Karen harshbargerka...@yahoo.com ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] A Tribute to Polli
Amanda, your heart-felt words bring tears to my eyes. A sweet tribute to a deserving being. Blessings to you and your wonderful man during this difficult time. And Polli.we know she now can be pain and disease free in the land of rainbows. Peace Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amanda K. Payne Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2013 7:35 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] A Tribute to Polli It was just another hot August morning when our upstairs neighbors frantically called my boyfriend. He went out to see what was wrong and came back, worried. He told me I needed to come check something out. Concerned, I went into the foyer and frantically running around and mewing was a tiny gray and white kitten with huge white paws. That was the morning we first met Polli. She was dirty, blanketed with fleas and had a terrible URI that had glued her little eyes shut. Our neighbors couldn't keep her due to a cat-aggressive dog and my boyfriend wasn't a pet person who was absolutely against us having another cat. However, we live in a city with high kill shelters and there was no way this little cat would make it out alive. Without a second thought, I rushed her into our home and called the local vet. I promised my guy that once she recovered, I would find a new home for her. Who knew that within those two weeks it took for her to become healthy and strong that she would have also stolen our hearts, officially making my boyfriend a cat person. Or as he would say, a Polli person. Since August of 2012, we have been the lucky guardians of this sweet girl. Polli, named for her polydactyl paws and the gray dot on her pink nose that reminded us of the dot on a lower-case 'i', was like no other cat I have known. As a friend once said, she has the sweetest soul of any creature he has ever met. She rushed to greet whomever came to our home, spent countless hours sprawled out across my boyfriend's chest and would wake me at 6:30 every morning by sweetly meeping at our bedroom door, waiting to come in to lay in my arms and chew on my hair before falling back asleep. Since her diagnosis in March, the little cat we love slowly faded. Even though the vet gave her just two weeks, she fought on for close to four months, earning her the nickname, Tiny Brawler. During those months, we let our hearts spill forth and gave her so much love and affection. Windows were left open for her to rest in, plates full of treats and wet food were always present and not a day went by that we didn't kiss her little head and tell her what a wonderful cat she was. Her strong will to live and give love was no match for the terrible ways FeLV ravaged her body. We wanted her to leave this earth knowing love and comfort and assisted her passing this afternoon. Her spirit left this earth as her body laid in one of her favorite spots in our kitchen with both my guy and I petting and kissing her. Her life, though short, was filled with love, a full belly and warm home that will feel empty without her. To my sweet Polli, may your spirit soar high with birds and find its place at the Rainbow Bridge. You will be forever missed and loved by so many people, especially Austin and I. -Amanda -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bad News
Amanda, so sorry to hear about Polli. I'll say a prayer for her, that her journey and transition are easy. And for you, that the pain of loss heals quickly. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amanda K. Payne Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 5:11 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Bad News Hi everyone, We took Polli in to a new vet today to get something new to treat her URI. She had a bad reaction to Clavamox and we were looking for a new vet who would be more aggressive and open minded with her treatments. We found a great vet, one I used to go to when I lived on the other side of town. He was optimistic about her treatment and was confident we could get her over this URI. However, he noticed that her belly is distended. He did a tap and diagnosed her with FIP (another disease I have already dealt with before). Her skin and gums are also very jaundiced. He says it appears her body is shutting down. We made an appointment to euthanize her at our home tomorrow afternoon. She's been on a decline for the past two weeks and feel it's time to help her go. Please keep us in your thoughts. Best, -Amanda -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group
My cat Stormy has a thing for green beans (string beans). Whenever I get them out and start to prepare them she circles me and meows like crazy until I give her one. Then she plays with it for hours. Go figure these crazy little cats! Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2013 9:56 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group LOL Lee! Siggie LOVED tomatoes. I could never figure that outbut he would eat them! Anytime I made tomato sauce for pasta, he'd pester me to death and wouldn't leave me alone until I gave him a little piece of the tomato! The first time I discovered his love for tomatoes, he did to a bag of them what your baby did to the bread! I went to bed with garden fresh tomatoes in a bag on the table (given to me by a friend), and the next morning, there were chewed up, gutted tomatoes all over the apartment! LOL Terri - Original Message - From: Lee Evans mailto:moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group Terri - I just love that Tomato Vampire that you added to Siggie angel's name. I still have a vampire cat. He's a bread vampire. I cannot leave an unguarded loaf of bread anywhere in sight. He once got into the laundry room where I left a couple of bags of groceries, including a bag with a loaf of whole wheat bread. When I returned, you can guess what had happened. Bread EVERYWHERE! Slices on the washing machine, on the dryer, mixed in with a turned over bag of clothes to be washed, all with bite marks. The Bread Vampire had struck big time. His real name is Bitsie. A tuxedo darling. I wouldn't trade him for all the loaves of bread in Whole Foods Market. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 2, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group I haven't had any FeLV+ cats since 2005, and I'm still lurking about! This is the best list -- some of the folks here have been here a long time. =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Lorrie mailto:felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2013 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Leaving the group Absolutely right Lee. I love this group and I'd never leave even if I lost my last FelV cat. Lorrie On 07-02, Lee Evans wrote: Losing an FeLv+ cat either by the cat passing away or wandering away is not a good reason to leave this list. At the present time I don't have any FeLv+ cats living with me although I have a few FIV+ ones. But I have not quit the list because new information is always cropping up and it's good to know it for the future. Also, these people feel like friends, as well as other issues are always discussed that effect cats in general. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] goodby little one
Karen So sorry to hear of Penny's passing. As you so eloquently said, may she be frolicking in sunny pastures with her kitty friends. Although it hurts so much to have them leave us, they fill our hearts with their sweet love, and bring out our better nature when we try to help them. Bless you for your love and efforts. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Karen Harshbarger Sent: Monday, July 01, 2013 9:03 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] goodby little one It is with a sad heart that I remember a little cat that came into our lives one cold winter morning this past winter. She lost her battle with feline leukemia last night. Little Squirt --- later to become Penelope (Penny) squeezed her way into our outside kennel and into our hearts. She was sick and needed help, shelter and love; which we gave without question. With medical care, she seemed to become better. We already had so many cats, so I put out a cry for help and assistance. Panora P.E.T.S.. (bless their hearts) offered to take her and her brother to try to help them find a forever home. They found them a foster home while waiting, but soon learned that Penelope had to leave her brother for a new foster home and a cat friend (that also has feline leukemia) because it was discovered she had feline leukemia. She seemed to be doing okay, but this horrible illness finely claimed her life. I remember a beautiful sweet loving cat that was so tiny and loved to be cuddled and cradled like a baby in my arms. Hopefully her friend that she made hereour other cat (Tig) that also lost his battle to this horrible illnessare now playing together in cat heaven and never know illness or pain again---nothing but happiness. Poor little Penelope never found her forever home here on earthbut I know she at least found love from all of those that tried to help her, including us. I cried when we took her to Panora but knew they could give her a better chance of finding a inside loving home. Penelope---know we will always love you and Tig, and you will forever be in our hearts. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts
Amanda You and Polli are in my thoughts and prayers. Hope for the best and appreciate your furry buddy. Hugs Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maryam Ulomi Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 11:11 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Please keep Polli in your thoughts Keeping Polli and you in my thoughts. Please don't feel guilty, you have given her plenty of love and care!!! Sent from my iPhone. On Jun 25, 2013, at 14:09, Amanda K. Payne amandak.pa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone! Please send some good energy to my Polli. She's have a rough few days and I'm not sure she'll come out of this. She was diagnosed with severe anemia back at the beginning of March. She rebounded but not completely. Recently, her breathing has become a bit more labored. We also noticed she's pulling out her own fur and has some strange lumps on her stomach. I'm really worried that the end is near for her and feel so guilty that I couldn't do more. Please keep us in your thoughts. It's going to be a tough few days. Best, -Amanda -- There is much pleasure to be gained from useless knowledge Bertrand Russell ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] We let Bubba go.
Beth, you have my deepest condolences on the loss of Bubba. Sounds like he was well loved and well taken care of. Yes, it is hard. Prayers for the healing power of love to help ease your loss and light Bubba's way on this next part of his journey. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Monday, June 24, 2013 5:43 AM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] We let Bubba go. We did the ultrasound Friday. It showed enlarged spleen kidneys. Vet thinks spleen was probably cancerous. I was not putting him through any more. He had just been laying around for 2 1/2 weeks, mostly having to be force fed. I did that with my 1st FeLV I said I would never do it again. I did it at 1st because he had a URI I knew he could get over that. But once that was gone he didn't get better as far as activity eating. It was a really sad decision. I had had a tough time with him at first because he peed on everything. Thanks to some things I learned from watching Jackson Galaxy we got him out of that habit he was becoming a total sweetheart. He just loved to walk up to you an put his head against you. Some hit you harder than others. This was pretty difficult. The lady who found him is having him cremated for me. Thanks guys for just being there. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Callie
Lance, prayers for Callie's healing, Ember's improvement and that you can let go of the guilt. Things happen. May your heart be light from now on! Bonnie Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2013, at 10:07 AM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: Hi everyone, Please pray for my mom's cat, Callie. I mentioned her here a few weeks ago, after my FeLV+ cat, Ember, bit Callie when she accidentally got into Ember's room. Callie has had soft stools for the last four days, and there was blood on her stool on Saturday. Since Callie hasn't been vaccinated since she was a kitten, she probably has no immunity from that route. She is 7 years old, and I'm hoping that she'll be able to deal with the virus better having a more mature immune system. People talk about age resistance with FeLV, but I don't think it can be relied on. I'm dealing with an incredible amount of guilt over this. I love Callie like I love Ember. She's one of my favorite cats ever. It was my fault that she got into Ember's room, and it's my fault that Ember is still here with my parents. It's also my fault that we didn't vaccinate Callie, as I worried about vax site sarcoma for Callie, and the few run-ins that had happened between the two cats over the last seven years were always brief and friendly. I also feel guilty as, if I'd just gotten in the room (quite literally) a minute or so sooner, this wouldn't have happened. Please pray that Callie can fight the virus so that she isn't persistently infected, and please pray for me. I'm dealing with a lot. Thanks, Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba
Sorry to hear of Bubba's woes, Beth. Sending good thoughts to both of you. I'm sure he feels your love, and that helps! Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 12:52 PM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Healing thoughts for Bubba Hey guys need some positive energy for one of my FeLV fosters - Bubba. He had been battling a URI. Tried a couple different antibiotics, and finally, after a week the URI cleared he started eating on his own last Sunday. Well as soon as I took him off the Doxy he started going down again. We went to the shelter this afternoon thankfully they had a wonderful vet volunteering who has experience in FeLV kitties. We're wondering now if he has Hemobart since he starting going down after withdrawing the Doxy. His gums were pink, though. I've had a constant battle with fleas. Advantage was no longer working so I switched Frontline, but that doesn't seem to be working well either. He got fluids, more Doxy, Prenisone, Cyproheptadine, Capstar AD. On top of that it looks like he has a cat bite o his tail. Poor baby. Going to go home tonight spend some one-on-one time with him. Just being able to talk to you guys about these babies really helps. At least I feel like someone understands how helpless I feel sometimes. Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day
Ouch, sounds rough! In my experience, the cats sometimes sound furious but that is part of the working it out process. Hopefully that was the second encounter. Don't beat yourself up. You are doing well to take good care of your beloved feline friends. Keeping good thoughts for you all! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2013 7:53 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] a tough and sad day Hi everyone, I wanted to ask for prayers and warm thoughts for my FeLV+ girl, Ember as well as my mother's (hopefully) negative cat, Callie. Somehow, Callie got into Ember's room, not once, but twice. The first time only lasted for a few minutes, but I discovered a terrible cat fight in progress when I got back upstairs. To disrupt the chase, I grabbed Callie to remove her from the room. I got a bloody finger with three puncture marks in the process. Later, I realized I should really get abx for the bite, so my dad took me to the doctor. We were gone about an hour. When I got back, I was saddened to find that I had stupidly managed to not completely close one of the doors to our rooms, and Callie had again gotten in. I don't know that the cats fought the second time. I think Callie might have explored the normally off limits rooms. I found Ember hiding but unshaken behind some clothes, and Callie didn't act like she was on edge, but I have no idea what happened. Needless to say, I'm very concerned about Callie's possible exposure to the virus. We've had a few run-ns over the last seven years, but nothing like the fight/chase I broke up today. My hope is that Callie being seven years old puts her at low risk for infection. She hasn't had any recent vax for FeLV, but she had the FeLV (including booster) when she was a kitten. She also seems very healthy. There was actually more tough cat stuff today involving a 17 yro diabetic who had to go for a dental (this ended on a good note), and my usual concerns about Ember. The radiologist hasn't contacted the surgeon after almost a week, and Ember probably needs surgical intervention for her diaphragmatic hernia. Please think of the two girls. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Thanks for the update, Lance Still holding a good thought for you and your little Ember! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Sunday, June 02, 2013 7:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam Glad to hear that Gribble is doing well. It's amazing how easy it is to take normal for granted until we deal with FeLV, cancer, or any other problem. Then, normal becomes a victory and a treasure. I celebrate whenever Ember eats well. The surgeon thinks that Ember has a diaphragmatic hernia, but a radiologist is going to confirm the results of the CT scan. I'd like to get her into surgery asap, as I'm concerned her symptoms are progressing. A person with a hernia is much easier, in that you can tell them to stop doing anything laborious or challenging. Cats just keep doing whatever they've always done. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I'll update when we know more. Lance On May 29, 2013, at 6:48 AM, Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Lance, They are both (knocking madly on wood) doing quite well. Better than I'd expected for Gribble, he's back to normal at least for him G. Because his catheterization seems to be what activated his (apparently) dormant Leukemia, I'm hesitant to subject Mako to the stress of surgery. We're on a watch and wait. It's possible his lump has been there for a while, so who knows. His only symptoms (and what occasioned his testing) have been with his eyes, and most of that is only apparent in hindsight. I do tend to look to surgery even for cats with a mass that's likely to re-occur, if it will add to quality of life. My Pattern had oral SCC, and the growth was interfering with her eating. So it was debulked, and she was able to spend another 10 months with only minor hitches. We didn't use any kind of chemo, only because it has not been shown to have much effect on this disease. Hoping everything goes wonderfully, we're crossing fingers, toes, paws and whiskers, Margo and the Kids ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember exam
Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. May all go well! Hugs Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2013 9:06 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember exam We're taking Ember to a veterinary surgeon in another town tomorrow. The main reason for going is to get diagnostics and finally know for sure what the lung mass is. I should have done this a month ago, and I'm kicking myself for not having been aggressive. Depending on what the vet says, he might be opening Ember up tomorrow to remove the tumor. I have big reservations about this, which is why I didn't pursue things more previously. But as I watched Ember eat last Thursday night, it occurred to me that I should at least find out what this is and give Ember the possibility of more time. She's been such a wonderful cat, and I'd love to have more time with her, if that's possible. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] a question....or two
Lance Glad to hear your little Ember is doing okay! I know she was having a hard time last week. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 2:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two It's always a good idea to discuss any symptoms with Raja's vet. They may want to refer you to a veterinary ophthalmologist or other specialist just to confirm that nothing else is going on. On May 1, 2013, at 1:50 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: Thank you so much for the quick answer, Lance. It's wonderful to have that worry alleviated so soon. I will try those foods, and the web site. I've seen Tiki Cat, and it does look delicious! Thanks again-Chris C. From: Lance mailto:lini...@fastmail.fm Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 1:42 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] a questionor two My FeLV+ girl has anisocoria (uneven pupils). We noticed that one had changed quite a bit about four years ago. I've never read anything about it indicating the progress of the disease. I highly recommend Tiki Cat's two chicken formulas. Ember is addicted. It's definitely not cheap, but it seems to be high quality food. It's probably easier to find Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast, which was recommended to me here by Christiane. The ingredients might not be great, but it's very appealing to them. This site has some good ideas: http://www.felinecrf.org/persuading_cat_to_eat.htm On May 1, 2013, at 1:34 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote: I am fostering to adopt two positive cats for our Animal Shelter, so as I said in my intro, I am new at this. I just noticed today that Raja has uneven pupils. I know this is not uncommon for these cats, but I was wondering if it is a random thing that happens, or if it is indicative of the stage she is in, or anything else. Any good tips on getting her to eat more? I've tried different dry and wet foods. She has lost a pound in 2 weeks, and was small to begin with. Thanks so much! Chris C. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
Glad to hear she had a good night. Good luck with everything at the vet today. Best wishes positive vibes to both of you! We know how hard these times can be… Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 5:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you for thinking of Ember, Cheri and El. She seems to be doing okay today. I got her to eat last night by feeding Fancy Feast Classic Chicken Feast. In another post, Christiane had suggested this as being like chocolate cake to cats, and Ember agrees. Unfortunately, the ingredients aren't the best, but at this point, just keeping her eating and well-fed seems like the main thing to do. She also likes Prescription Diet t/d, which she thinks is a treat. Before she tested positive, that's the only food she ate. I didn't know any better, but she was fine with it. On Apr 22, 2013, at 8:52 PM, Cheri Le cheri...@comcast.net wrote: Thinking and praying 4 ember!!! CHERI On Apr 22, 2013, at 9:42 PM, designercats cats designerc...@hotmail.com wrote: Lance, you and Ember are in my thoughts and prayers. El From: lini...@fastmail.fm Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2013 20:35:42 -0500 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Ember Thank you, Beth, Sharyl, and Bonnie for thinking about my girl. She has a vet visit tomorrow. We’ll see how the lung mass has changed, and we’ll get a new cbc. Ember isn’t eating as well as I would like, but she sure loves her treats (Prescription Diet t/d – it could be worse). I've also caught her sitting in a slightly unusual position, and that makes me really hope that she's not in any pain or even mild discomfort. On Apr 22, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Turkey Vulture OT
You know, that may have been the Vulture's way of saying, thanks, like when our kitties bring us their kill, which really is an honor. It's just that creatures' tastes and ours are different! Nice of your friend to help such a special critter! Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 10:00 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Turkey Vulture OT My friend, who is the director of a large feral cat advocacy organization here was driving home one night from a meeting when she saw a vulture fluttering by the side of the road, apparently hit by a car. She got out and managed to get the injured bird into a cat carrier, then off she went to Wildlife Rescue and Rehabilitation, southwest Texas's most famous wildlife rescue organization. Once there, the bird was determined to have a broken wing. Before my friend left the office though, the kindly vulture regurgitated all over her in gratitude. She said it was the most horrendous stink she had ever smelled. She was covered with whatever dead thing the bird had eaten for supper. She made it home in record time and threw herself into a power shower but she could recall the odor for days after. They call buzzards and vultures in Texas The Road Crew because they clean up what careless motorists create. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 6:39 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Turkey Vulture OT Enjoyed hearing about your turkey vulture. Wow! I used to do wildlife rehab and had two young red tailed hawks who were brought to me when the tree their nest was in was cut down. They ate an entire raw chicken every day! My neighbor thought they needed bird seed and brought me some :-) She was old and meant well I guess, but those hawks had no desire for bird seed! Lorrie On 04-21, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Everyone in my area knows that if they find a sick or injured animal, bring it to Dorlis, the crazy cat lady. I even rescued a juvenile turkey vulture last fall. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ember
You've got it, Lance! You and Ember are in loving/healing thoughts and prayers. Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lance Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 5:59 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ember Please pray for or send good vibes to my sweet FeLV+ girl Ember. She has a mass in her lungs and possibly eye cancer. She has been breathing faster than usual, though it doesn't sound labored. She was very restless last night, too, which makes me concerned that she's in pain or at least uncomfortable. She ate fairly well this morning, and she's itching to leave our room and go to another one. Anyway, please keep us in your thoughts. Lance ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feeding strays ferals
I would imagine TNR orgs have dealt with this type of thing. Sure seems it ought to be something to be appealed to the city council, or ? Maybe someone can offer a suggestion. Hope you can help change their minds. Yeah, talk about picking on the helpless... Good luck Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feeding strays ferals On 04-21, Marcia wrote: Hey guys (-: Marcia from Ks. Guess what the town that I live in is doing now? They are actually ticketing people who are caught feeding cats outside of their house! No kidding. This town is full of methheads and this is what they focus on. So sad. How awful. I can imagine how angry you are.. What jerks!! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Feeding strays ferals
I suppose it is an effort to reduce the feral population...but it seems cruel and misguided to me. B. -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of MaiMaiPG Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 5:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feeding strays ferals Why can you feed birds and squirrels outside but not cats? Or outside dogs? On Apr 21, 2013, at 7:28 PM, Bonnie Hogue wrote: I would imagine TNR orgs have dealt with this type of thing. Sure seems it ought to be something to be appealed to the city council, or ? Maybe someone can offer a suggestion. Hope you can help change their minds. Yeah, talk about picking on the helpless... Good luck Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, April 21, 2013 1:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Feeding strays ferals On 04-21, Marcia wrote: Hey guys (-: Marcia from Ks. Guess what the town that I live in is doing now? They are actually ticketing people who are caught feeding cats outside of their house! No kidding. This town is full of methheads and this is what they focus on. So sad. How awful. I can imagine how angry you are.. What jerks!! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle
Condolences on the loss of this kitty. They are all special friends. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:46 PM To: FeLV Talk Subject: [Felvtalk] Napoleon lost his battle I had an FeLV cat who belonged to a friend. He was her cat, but lived at my house because I have FeLV cats. He has been battling Stomatitis the last few months. She picked him up to take him to the vet yesterday morning. During his exam they felt a mass in his tummy. They put him under to explore further. He had cancer from his abdomen to his esophagus. They never woke him back up. He looked acted so healthy except for the stomatits. He is very much missed. He was a silly, sweet, mischievous boy. I loved him for all of it! Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats
I'd sure LOVE to know how to prepare and feed a home made diet to my cats. The one time I purchased raw food (frozen, at the farm center) they turned up their noses at it. They are mega-fussy. I feel fortunate to have hit on a dry food they will (mostly) eat. Lucky Cat - who has crystals in his bladder sometimes - won't eat the CD canned food from the vet (which I mix with the canned food he loves). It's a worrisome chore, feeding these five cats. Sigh. Thanks for any advice. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of KG BarnCats Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 8:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Carrie Rosenblatt Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] raw food FeLV pos cats Hi, For several years I have primarily fed home made raw to my horde of cats (FELV + separated) and dogs, and have never had any food related problem whatsoever. They are in wonderful condition. I do mix in some fish as a treat every week or so, but it is canned tuna, mackerel, or sardines (all in water, not oil). I carefully follow a balanced recipe with no grains, starches, veggies. I make a point of being very well read on the publicized risks but I think they are very overstated - after all, raw is what cats evolved to eat over millions of years. Their digestive systems are short and acidic. Most vets are poorly trained on nutrition and much of that training comes via the pet food industry, which makes a bundle selling biologically inappropriate grain laden, carb heavy, overproccessed, overpriced crap. Of course they fear-monger about raw food, even for cats with perfectly healthy immune systems. As if dry food hasn't been proven to have frequent contamination with salmonella etc. No human has ever been shown to catch disease from raw food, but there are loads of cases of people getting it from commercial pet food. And that doesn't even begin to address the factors of salivary enzymes as the cat gnaws chunks of meat/bone, or the enzymes and nutrients destroyed by the disgusting rendering process, or the plastic and filth cooked in with the often rancid ingredients. Or the risk of tainted ingredients. Or the fact that cats are far less healthy overall than they were 50 years ago... just research the huge jump in diabetes, obesity, kidney disease, cancer, etc. Why do most cats now routinely die in their early teens at best, when they used to live so much longer? Why? If one believes that fresh, natural food is better for people than processed food, then why treat animals any different? I believe sick or immunocompromised animals need more nutrition, not less. They need the best quality food possible, and I think that is the food they evolved to eat. I wish I could feed whole prey, but it's unaffordable. On the other hand, homemade raw is made with far better ingredients yet costs so much less than commercial food - about 35 cents a day. Which do you trust more? Millions of years of mother nature's success, or the money-motivated pet food industry? Ok, getting off soapbox now. :) Kg On Saturday, March 16, 2013, Maryam Ulomi ava...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Carrie, I am so sorry to hear about your kitties. And I am praying they get better very soon. I had put a post up asking the group about raw food for FeLV cats but no one responded or commented about using that for their cats. I have read that for FeLV cats it might be a hazard because their systems cannot withstand any challenges from parasites. Also I have read that seafood is not recommended for FeLV cats so I do not feed any seafood to mine. I am trying to find a holistic vet to start my FeLV cat on a special diet but it's always best to be in contact with a vet when starting the home cook diet or a raw diet. If the cats are sick l would take them to vet so they can be treated right away, with FeLV early prevention is the best policy. Hope this helps, please send an update soon. Sent from my iPad On Mar 15, 2013, at 23:45, Carrie Rosenblatt oecb11...@yahoo.com wrote: hi. I saw this online - and wondered what you found out about raw food for FeLV cats. I had one at my apt for a night, and gave him homemade food, which was made with raw meat, but no pieces of meat was in what I gave him, just the grains and tuna and supplements, but I was wondering if the juice or residue from the raw meat could have hurt him, as he is very sick and getting worse. cr ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing again to be sure the list is working
Lynda, working good on my end! Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 12:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing again to be sure the list is working received Smile From: ter...@tazzys.org Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 1:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing again to be sure the list is working I see ya! Terrie TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2012 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing again to be sure the list is working From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net Date: Tue, February 26, 2013 12:22 pm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Hey all, Just sending a quick note to see if our webhost has fixed the mailing list issues. Please ignore this note. Hope all is well with everyone and their furries! Best wishes. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org image001.png___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing again to be sure the list is working
Yep, got it! Bonnie Sent from my iPhone On Feb 26, 2013, at 12:22 PM, James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net wrote: Hey all, Just sending a quick note to see if our webhost has fixed the mailing list issues. Please ignore this note. Hope all is well with everyone and their furries! Best wishes. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine
Hi Rachel I tried the L-Lysine human tablets for my cat and he threw up! Maybe someone knows how to dose it down, but I felt it was risky. In fact, he never tolerated the vet's product, either. Maybe it's just him. Good luck. I know it is good for humans as when I get a cold sore it knocks it right out (caution: can cause constipation). Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Rachel Raven Sent: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:06 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] L-Lysine My vet has a pharmacy mix up a cat suitable dosage of liquid L-Lysine (with fish flavoring). It is quite expensive and I always have some left over. I was wondering if anyone knows if this stuff can still be used after the use by date or not? Also I've seen in health food stores lysine capsules. I was wondering if anyone uses that for their cat and in what dosage? Or if anyone knows if that would be something that could be done? I figured it would probably be okay if the conversions were right but since the mix I get from the pharmacy also contains some sort of fish flavor that may change the ml so I don't know. Thank you for any help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing.. no mail since Feb. 9th?
Got it! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson Sent: Monday, February 18, 2013 11:14 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing.. no mail since Feb. 9th? Hey all, I think there may be a problem with our server since there has been no mail since the 9th. I will be checking into this today as time permits. Sorry for the inconvenience. Kind regards. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Maggie Molly
Lorrie, I'm so sorry for your loss and heartache, but how wonderful of you to take these little kitties. You have made a huge difference in their lives...and as we know, their love is our payment. Blessings to you and your calico angels. Bonnie Sent from my iPhone On Jan 30, 2013, at 8:34 AM, Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Yesterday was a sad day I had my beautiful, sweet calico kitten, Maggie, euthanized. She was only 9 months old. Her sister, Molly, was euthanized last month, and they are buried side by side in the woods next to our house. I took in this litter of 4 FelV kittens in July knowing they'd probably all die, and consequently break my heart, but I had room in my FelV sanctuary so I wanted to give them a chance, and they had 9 happy months living in the upstairs of my large rescue building in town. I watched them running thru their rooms, scooting thru the tunnels, climbing up the cat posts, and walking across the wall walks which were built just for them, and they were happy kittens. Their three rooms upstairs were all made into a cat play ground and also had second hand furniture below the walk ways where I could sit and cuddle them or they could sleep. They had a good life, and longer than they'd have had if I hadn't taken them in from the person who was going to have them PTS because of the FelV virus. For 8 months they seemed to be in perfect health, and I actually believed they'd be fine, but then Molly, who was also a calico, got sick. Maggie still seemed fine but a bit more quiet, but within a week or so she went downhill fast. Two of the precious kittens from this litter are still with us, and so far they seem in good health, but for how long? No doubt I'll be in tears again when this horrible virus over takes them. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan
Sweet thought -- Thank you! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: They are here for such a short time and then they are gone but somewhere, in a parallel Universe, Miya Chan is still alive and purring and a version of yourself is there with her. One night, you may visit her in a dream and feel her warmth and see her lovely fur, so while you are there, sneak in a kiss or two on the top of her head before you wake up to yourself back here. You made her life a happy dream. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan Goodnight, sweet Miya Chan... =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:50 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan Little _Miya Chan_ died unexpectedly Friday morning. Apparently she was in kidney failure, according to the Vet. Didn’t expect her to go so soon. Lovely brushed coat calico, rehabilitated feral who loved sleeping on the foot of my bed and would raise up her head and close her eyes when I bent to kiss the top of her head. May she rest peacefully and pain free, and may we meet again. Your good thoughts, positive energy and prayers for Miya are appreciated. Thank you, Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan
Thanks, Kelley. I think you're right -- there's a sunlit meadow in which our friends watch a butterfly flutter by! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley S Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 12:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan Bonnie, I'm sorry for your loss. My Missy, Morgana, Shimmer and Muffin were there to meet her I am sure. Kelley On Tue, Jan 8, 2013 at 10:41 AM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so sorry for your loss Bonnie, but so grateful that she had you while she was here. Marcia Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Jan 8, 2013, at 9:58 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: Sweet thought -- Thank you! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 8, 2013, at 12:32 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: They are here for such a short time and then they are gone but somewhere, in a parallel Universe, Miya Chan is still alive and purring and a version of yourself is there with her. One night, you may visit her in a dream and feel her warmth and see her lovely fur, so while you are there, sneak in a kiss or two on the top of her head before you wake up to yourself back here. You made her life a happy dream. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Terri Brown siggies...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 6, 2013 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan Goodnight, sweet Miya Chan... =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= - Original Message - From: Bonnie Hogue To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 6:50 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan Little _Miya Chan_ died unexpectedly Friday morning. Apparently she was in kidney failure, according to the Vet. Didn't expect her to go so soon. Lovely brushed coat calico, rehabilitated feral who loved sleeping on the foot of my bed and would raise up her head and close her eyes when I bent to kiss the top of her head. May she rest peacefully and pain free, and may we meet again. Your good thoughts, positive energy and prayers for Miya are appreciated. Thank you, Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Miya Chan
Little _Miya Chan_ died unexpectedly Friday morning. Apparently she was in kidney failure, according to the Vet. Didn't expect her to go so soon. Lovely brushed coat calico, rehabilitated feral who loved sleeping on the foot of my bed and would raise up her head and close her eyes when I bent to kiss the top of her head. May she rest peacefully and pain free, and may we meet again. Your good thoughts, positive energy and prayers for Miya are appreciated. Thank you, Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan
Terrie, Maryam, Beth (and anyone I missed) thanks a million for you good thoughts and kind words. It means a great deal to me. I know we've all lost beloved animal friends so understand the sorrow. Thank you. Bonnie Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2013, at 9:31 PM, ter...@tazzys.org wrote: Sorry for the typo errors! Corrected them below! This happens when I send off too soon! :( TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2012 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan From: ter...@tazzys.org Date: Sun, January 06, 2013 9:26 pm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Bonnie, So sorry for your sudden lost of your kitty! It's never easy to lose them quickly. Bless you for giving her a life that she would have never had if she hadn't of been with you. May she run free at the Rainbow Bridge with many others that have gone before her. My late husband and Taz will be there with open arms/paws to greet her. You will be with her again someday! You are in my thoughts and prayers! Terrie TAZZY'S ANIMAL TRANSPORTS/SIAMESE COLLIE RESCUE Sultan, WA. 98294 Terrie Mohr-Forker http://tazzys.org/ Non-Profit national rescue Dedicated to the welfare of animals. Copyright © 1999-2012 tazzys.org. All rights reserved. Original Message Subject: [Felvtalk] Miya Chan From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net Date: Sun, January 06, 2013 3:50 pm To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Little _Miya Chan_ died unexpectedly Friday morning. Apparently she was in kidney failure, according to the Vet. Didn’t expect her to go so soon. Lovely brushed coat calico, rehabilitated feral who loved sleeping on the foot of my bed and would raise up her head and close her eyes when I bent to kiss the top of her head. May she rest peacefully and pain free, and may we meet again. Your good thoughts, positive energy and prayers for Miya are appreciated. Thank you, Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Drinking and Dunking
Speaking of cats water, here's a question. How come Stormy is extremely finicky about having fresh, clean water in her bowl...but if her water bowl isn't good enough, she'll jump up onto the counter and drink water out of the dishes in the sink. Is the soaking potato baking dish water so much more delicious? Or is she just pretentious and will drink 'after' humans but not other cats? Go figure felines! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2012, at 2:42 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: My kitchen has a center island. Cats like to jump from the top of the refrigerator to the island. Most make it nicely but Buttons, my 200 pound porker took a flying leap, skidded across the entire counter. The look on his face was one of shear terror as he went over the edge and splashed down in the water bowl. Then he walked away with as much dignity as a soaking wet cat could muster. After that incident, I changed the location of the water bowls to under the outcrop of the island so if someone slides off the edge, he/she won't land in the drink. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2012 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Change subject line.. Cat in Ohio needs home RE: water bowls, mine don't swim in them, they pat the water and throw it out, run or slide into bowl . I hve fountain in kitchen surrounded by sponge to soak up the spills. i thought it was leaking so bought a new one. took it out on deck to test it. it didn't leak. man time someone slide into new one and knocked half of th water out. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture
Great idea! My problem isn't the Peeing so much as tossing fur balls cat barf... Oh well. They're still my loves! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 3, 2012, at 4:28 PM, catatonya catato...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't care what it looks like. I care what it smells like. Lol. I did order some patio furniture from Home Depot. It's not that comfortable, but I only put cushions on the chair I'll be sitting in since I live by myself. When I go to bed I throw the cushions in the spare bedroom. I don't have to cover or vacuum them because I don't take them out unless someone comes over. As soon as they leave I put the cushions away. If a cushion does get peed on it can be washed. I have nothing upholstered left in my house. It does look better, but mostly it saves me all the work of covering it and vacuuming it, and washing all the various coverings. Also was cheap because I bought it off season. Additionally if a cushion gets ruined I can always by new patio furniture cushions in the future. I'm hoping this will make things cheaper. I typically take any couch friends are giving away and throw it away when it gets peed on in a place where the cats have uncovered all plastic tonya From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 1:34 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture Sounds perfect to me! Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Furniture is around #50 down on my priority list of things I need. I live in South Texas. We have a 365 day flea season and now that I moved out to a rural area in order to be able to keep my rescued cats without having to deal with stupid Animal Control Officers who never even read their own ordinances, I also have scorpions, snakes and assorted weird looking crawlies. I tend to stay away from anything upholstered in favor of washable pillows, washable patio cushions, large towels from Goodwill and snuggy cat beds and blankets. Anything that can't be hosed down or tossed into the washing machine has no place in a house that 38 cats call home. As long as I can park my rump on something that is clean, won't have any hidden, stinging surprises and is fairly comfortable, I don't care what it looks like. Fortunately, almost all of my friends are rescuers so everyone thinks I'm normal. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Cats and 'Essential Oils'
A while back someone posted information on cautions using essential oils around cats. I believe it was a link to a website with information. Dear whomever: could you kindly repost that? Many thanks, Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Suggestion for Cat (or foot) Warmers
Taking off on your idea for cat beds: My mom used to make little rice bags. They are about 12x10 but I think you could make other sizes. Create a bag, fill it with rice, leave room so it is squishy rather than firm, sew up the corner. You can put a cover on or not. Then, on a cold night, microwave the bag (3-4 mins depending upon your microwave oven) and you have a thing that stays nice and warm for hours. We use them for our feet on a cold night. My aunt used to put them out for her feral yard cat, in a box, to keep the kitty warm. She said the cat used to wait for them by the door on a cold night. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 1:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture It's my way of avoiding my insect phobia. I turn them into people and imagine what they would think in any given situation. On another note: Jo-Ann Stores is having a 50% off sale on fleece and flannel. Do you know anyone who can sew? I'm two left hands and 10 thumbs but someone who can sew could probably make some nice cat snuggle beds and pillow covers for cats or kids or whatever. You can get their discount coupon emails at mailto:jo-...@email.joann.com jo-ann@email.joann.comand they will add you to their email list. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: katskat1 katsk...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat proof furniture Never having seen a scorpion laughing, I am kindof sorry I missed that. Kat P.S. I am right on the cusp of libra and scorpio. October 23. I still would have squished the sucker. He attacked first! On 12/2/12, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: Brown scorpions are the nasty type. I was zapped by a regular generic type scorpion. I'm idiotically superstitious. I was born at the end of October. Scorpio. I wouldn't harm a scorpion for anything. Really bad luck. So I walked away from the encounter yowling and the scorpion walked away laughing. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cats and 'Essential Oils'
Thanks for the info! It is as I remember, and I can pass along to a friend who was curious. B. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 12:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats and 'Essential Oils' I really would not use any fragrances around cats or even around dogs. One holiday, I boiled some cinnamon on the stove to make the house smell like gingerbread. Several of my cats began to sneeze and one began to have watery eyes. If you want fragrances, keep them away form the rooms where the cats stay. I don't buy scented cat litter either. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Kathryn Hargreaves khargrea...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 1:29 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats and 'Essential Oils' Not sure if it was me, but here's one of my favorites: http://holisticat.com/aromatherapy.html Some contend that they are OK if they are high-quality. I would use hydrosols or flower essences instead, just to be on the safe side. On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 9:59 AM, Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net wrote: A while back someone posted information on cautions using essential oils around cats. I believe it was a link to a website with information. Dear whomever: could you kindly repost that? Many thanks, Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice
Someone would get a male cat a vasectomy? Or have a female cat's tubes tied? Wow.people are stupider than I thought. B. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of janine paton Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:27 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice The stress of an unspayed female is great, I think much greater than the spaying itself. And it may be true that pyometria is more common in dogs, but boy have we seen plenty in outside cats, even young ones. One couldn't have been more than a year old and we had no idea her slightly swollen belly was pyometria. And have h ad a few with mammary cancer also. Not worth it. Use a decent vet and get your cat spayed! _ From: Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tue, November 20, 2012 8:57:09 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice Amen to that sister. My cat Cookie, long ago, was borderline diabetic. The vet didn't want to subject her to anesthesia because he said she was an older cat and might develop full blown diabetes since she was on the edge. So I didn't have her spayed. She went into her heat cycle several more times, then gave it up as a bad idea. She lived an additional 5 years with me as a house feral. One day I noticed blood on her chair towel (I use towels to cover the plastic chairs in my house. Everything here has to be washable). I also noticed that Cookie was acting very lethargic. I finally got her into a carrier. At the clinic they flipped her over and I was horrified. All her nipples were black, some were enlarged, two were bleeding. She had severe mammary cancer. The vet said she was probably in pain. There was nothing I could do. He gave her a pain injection. She became drowsy and I allowed him to euthanize her. I will NEVER NOT SPAY a cat. Male cats can get prostate cancer. There is no proven reason why cats and dogs can't be spayed and neutered. Humans have the operation all the time for ovarian cancer and prostate cancer. If physicians didn't do hysterectomies on women with cancer or with precancerous lesions the cancers would metastasize and more people would die. In addition, try and get an intact spraying male cat or howling female cat adopted. It will just not work. Or, as an alternative, get the female's tubes tied and give the male a vasectomy and you still have all the mating behavior in addition to the operations costing almost a thousand dollars as opposed to spay/neuter that can be had for a cost as low as $15 including rabies shot. I want to add that my mother, a registered nurse at the time, forbade me to have any of our yard cats neutered or spayed citing the ridiculous argument that animals and people have to be left natural. Consequently I allowed two intact cats to remain that way, filling my yard with 7 kittens who, although I didn't know it, were FeLv positive and active for the disease. They all died. Had I spayed and neutered mom and dad cat, I would have saved 7 kittens from being born and dying in illness and discomfort and possibly saved mom and dad cats from wandering away to spread the disease all over the neighborhood. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! _ From: Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Spaying advice I'm not going to start an argument over one study. Being in heat was very stressful on the one of the 1st FeLV cats I had. The spay was easy she recovered quickly. My cats have all been spayed. We've had cats live well into their 20's - all spayed. Cats who still have their ovaries, which are responsible for heat cycles, are much more likely to develop mammary cancer. Cats ( dogs) can also develop an infection in their uterus (pyometra) from not being spayed.. There is just not enough evidence out there to make me even think about not getting my cats, FeLV or not, spayed. Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] More Official Types of Cats
Love your decorating suggestions! Ha! But did you include my Miya-Chan? She's been referred to as a brushed coat Calico...all colors, some stripes, but 'brushed' thru her coat rather than appearing in distinct patches! She's purrr-dee! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 10:57 AM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: In the Calico-Tortoise Shell Cats Category you have Torties - The true Tortoise Shell cat, mostly black and orange blended Harlequin Tortie - face is half orange, half black in the same blend Torbie - combination of tabby and Tortie, a Tortoise Shell cat with tabby stripes Dilute Tortie - Instead of black, grey and sort of pinkish orange(like Torties that faded in the laundry) Calico - white with large patches of orange and black, with or without stripes Dilute Calico - white with large patches of grey and pinkish orange (they look like Calico cats that faded in the laundry. Combining Cats With Furniture for the Best Effect Calico cats and Tortoise Shell cats will go with most decors so if you have a sofa that is white with black and orange cushions, you may adopt one of these. However, if your decor is all white, I would recommend a white cat and all black, a black cat. A really good conversation starter is created when you get a black cat with a white sofa. People will comment on what a lovely zebra striped sofa you have. There is actually a Yahoo group devoted to Tortoise Shell Cats. There's probably one devoted to Calico Cats also. If I didn't have to rescue cats according to their need, I would have had two dozen Calico Cats. My first cat was a kitten I named Tuffy. She was a true calico. She was with me for 13 and a half years. I still miss her. She used to sit with me when I played the piano, right next to me on the piano bench, even when I was just practicing. Still love that cat. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats
I need new furniture but have decided to get used stuff until I have older cats. Makes it easier on everyone! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 1:57 PM, Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I love the color exchange for cats! And the black cats sitting in the window! I am amazed however that furniture can be more important to someone than the little soul that they have spent the last 2 years with! My cats shredded my new chair and when people say anything about it I just tell them what can I say? I like my cats a hell of a lot more than I like that stupid inanimate object! Why is that hard to understand? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 2:55 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: This actually happened to me when I was answering our hotline for VOICE For Animals. A woman called asking if we could take an orange cat. I asked her why. What she said was that she had purchased a white sofa and the cat was getting orange fur all over it. She said she would be willing to take a white cat in exchange. She had had the orange cat for 2 years, had come into some money recently and was buying new living room furniture. I finally talked her out of dumping her cat on us by telling her about the sticky roller product for removing lint and hair from things. I also told her that she should purchase a multicolored sofa cover to keep the sofa covered for general use and whisk off the cover when company arrives. She was delighted with the ideas. I should write a book on how to color coordinate your rooms with your cats and dogs and how to color coordinate your daily work outfits with a shedding pet. Along those lines, here's a great idea for people who have too many cats and don't want the Animal Control Officer to notice. Exchange your cats with your neighbors until you all have sets of cats of the same color. You can take the white cats, then paint your furniture and walls white. The Officer will never notice the cats since they will blend in with everything. And you will go snow blind. A friend of mine actually had 6 black cats in an apartment where they only allowed 3 pets total. But with all the black cats, any time a cat sat at the window, it looked like the same cat. Cool, right? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 3:25 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home - Types of cats Lol Lee I like the pairing of furniture and cats. You should write a book(-; Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2012, at 12:22 PM, Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: All Black - Black Cats Black with white patch on chest and belly - Medallion Cats Black Cape with White Cravat - Tuxedo Cats Unofficial Types (I made up the names) White With Black Polka Dots - Spotty Cats or Cow Spot Cats White With Black on Head and Ears, Black Tail: Toupee Cats wearing Formal Tails. All Black Cats - Panthers Tabbies - Tigers Orange Tabbies - Pumpkin Tigers Grey Cats - Dust Bin Cats (some call them Russian Blues) Tabby and White - Cape Cats Pink Cat - got into the Strawberry ice cream I left on the kitchen counter (originally white cat) Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: CATHERINE DIDONNA westnint...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 2, 2012 1:03 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home if u do a web search ,it shows you cats, It says they are medium size,JET BLACK,gleaming coat,GOLD TO COPPER EYES,sweet,facial expression.I have several all black cats,Naya, Ebony,Onyx,Heidi then I have black with the white on its chest which people call the collar in French, Bernie Mack,Button,Zorro he has the white mark on his chest and below his belly,Vogue, Nikita,then I have black and white ones.I HAVE LAMONT who is small all black and has those gold,deep orange,or copper eyes.Cathy From: Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com To: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2012 8:17 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cat in Ohio needs home Bombay kitty? What does that mean? K ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ozzy and Miss Kitty
Felaway or Pet-tastc(cat formula) are great scent neutralizers! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Kathryn Green katsk...@gmail.com wrote: Tomorrow morning Ozzy goes in for neuter, exam, testing and vaccinations. Following day Miss Kitty goes with me to pick up Ozzy to get her exam and vaccinations. Gonna have to rob a bank for this but want to get it done quickly as Oz is causing some unrest within the ranks. My other cats seem to be jealous of an intact male and wanna get thru the door to prove they were here first - or something! So far they are both doing well. Kat ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Unusual kitten story
Good Story about Momma Tulip. Someone once said they spayed their female, who seemed so grateful to not have to have any more kittens! Sounds like MT was there! ~Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of CATHERINE DIDONNA Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 10:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Unusual kitten story Hi, that is a nice storyIn Jan.2005 I was standing outside my house and something just flew by. I said to my neighbor was that a rat or a kitten.? Well, it was a kitten and he ran right inside my house. He is gray,with white feet,small,and his nam is M M..Also, a mother cat who I named Momma Tulip was always having babies.When I moved in this house I was told that by my neighbors. Well Momma Tulip wuold go thru plastic bags to get food. I would tell her I'm gonna get you. Well. I did get her inside,but she was ferral so I didn't know how to get her to the vet. The day of her appointment Momma Tulip was sitting in the carrier. So, she was spayed,and I was so happy to see her always with food,water,warmth,and love.I kept my promise. Cathy Bronx N Y From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:21 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Unusual kitten story Hi Everyone, Here's a kitten story you should all enjoy. My daughter who helps me with rescue work and TNR, has a lot of stray cats at her house. There is one feral in particular she has been trying to trap for years. This cat produces at least 2 litters a year, and she hides the kittens and then brings them around when they are about 9 or 10 weeks and as wild as their mother is. This year she brought her 3 kittens earlier than usual (about 3 or 4 weeks old) and my daughter was able to gather them up and bring them inside to be socialized. BUT how to catch the mom?? She has tried a trap to no avail. This is one smart mom cat! So she set up a large plastic storage box on the front porch where she feeds all these strays, and put the kittens inside. She had a large screen to put on top if mom cat went inside, but she had to hide, as mom cat wouldn't go in if she saw Karin. Well quick as a flash the mother grabbed one of the kittens and ran! Karin brought the other two back in and the mother cat had the other kitten outside someplace for 2 days. Karin saw no sign of the third kitten, but when the weather got very cold and rainy she finally saw the mom and kitten on her porch. Karin opened the door to get the kitten, and the mother tried to grab him and run but the kitten saw Karin and ran to her instead! I think this is an amazing story. Did that kitten remember being inside where it was warm, or had he bonded with my daughter before his cat mom stole him? All 3 kittens are now safe, and warm inside and learning to eat well. I hope you enjoyed this story and I wonder if any of you have had similar stories to share. Lorrie and 14 rescued cats and Karin with 18 rescued cats!! - End forwarded message - ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Ta ta for now
Thanks for sharing the great information. Very helpful to me, as I seek to use the best products for my beloved furry friends. Sorry to see you check out – you have been very helpful, to me. Bonnie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 1:13 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Ta ta for now It seems that this topic still isn’t closed, is it? There have been comments after the one you just responded to here. I joined because a friend recommended this group, and it has been helpful. I had 2 adult FeLV+ cats. One of the cats died of CRF, and the other was adopted by a veterinarian and is still doing OK. Those 2 cats lived with a large group of healthy cats for about 6 months, and I tested all starting with very young and older cats – not a single cat contracted the virus! 6 months should have been enough time to do so, shouldn’t it? Since I don’t have any FeLV positive cats right now, I decided that I will get off this list – I learned things that I’d rather not have known, such as someone hunting small game, another person having cats declawed routinely, I guess because the vet offers such a great deal, etc. But before I leave, I will post just one site about Clumping litter containing sodium bentonite. Don’t forget, it doesn’t have to be listed in the ingredients!~ And as long as it states that it can be flushed down the toilet, is doesn’t contain SB, which would completely block the plumbing. I’ve seen so many reviews, often poo-pooing the dangers, misstating that SB expands 5 times its weight (it’s capable of absorbing liquid and moisture 15 x its weight, and is- used in construction). The best article was written in Tiger Tribe, a holistic cat magazine that is no longer published. When I heard that they were closing down operations, I bought all the back issues. http://www.thelighthouseonline.com/articles/clump.html - Clumping clay litters, a deadly convenience. This one is short and sweet. http://kapush.net/cat-litter/sodium-bentonite-cat-litter-dangers/ - Natalie From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of cindy reasoner Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 8:52 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President I disagree. Please can we just end all the political talk. Cindy Reasoner --- On Wed, 10/10/12, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: From: GRAS g...@optonline.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Off topic: President To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Wednesday, October 10, 2012, 2:10 PM I must respectfully disagree, this wasn’t about bashing anyone– to state a platform on which a candidate is running is just that – no one was calling any candidate horrible names! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists
Loud and Clear. Thank you! And I too hope you don't have to suspend this very valuable resource! Bonnie -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:30 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] ADMIN: Please take the politics and other OT topics to appropriate lists Hey all, I must reiterate that this list is for discussing FeLV, treatments, and support for caregivers. It is NOT a politics, hunting, personal soapbox, etc. list. We have a well-defined mission here to discuss FeLV. All of these other topics need to be taken to forums where such topics are discussed. I would hate to have to suspend this list because some want to ignore or bring their own interpretations into my gentle reminder about OT posting here. But, if suspending this list for a short time is the only way to stop the continuation of the off-topic chatter, I will have to do so. It is rude to continue these conversations after being asked to stop. Thank you for your consideration and cooperation. Kind regards. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter
Wow! I didn't know that! Makes me reconsider what I'm using in my six boxes... Used to use World's Best but it is also 'world's most expensive'... Got to rethink it now. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 8, 2012, at 3:37 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: For an average of 70 cats, I cannot afford to dump litter, and or the delightful aroma it would cause if I didn’t do it 2x/day or more, as needed. It doesn’t matter whether it’s dusty or not, clumping litter still contains sodium bentonite, and it doesn’t have to be listed on the bag/box. The one and only way of knowing whether it doesn’t contain SB, is if it’s allowed to be flushed down a toilet; its’ a compound used in construction to seal the space between earth and foundation by absorbing 15 times its weight in liquid. It can get into a cat’s urethra and cause a blockage, get ingested when grooming and cause intestinal blockage or when inhaled, turn into a solid block in the lungs by absorbing the moisture. From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 6:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Definitely bending over for any length of time can be a big pain in the back. I pick up my litter boxes and place them on a plastic lawn furniture end table. It raises the box to a level where I can scoop in comfort and the cats like to sit under it and play with my pants leg. 'Stop that, stop that, no claws!! I can't easily get up from those garden kneeler seats because of really weak knees. Whoever coined the term Golden Years was probably not yet 18. Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter Yep, my college degree sits behind me at my desk doing me absolutely no good whatsoever ;) Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 14:19:58 -0700 From: moonsiste...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I have 40 cats so any cat litter expense is going to be flushing money down the drain or into the garbage. I use pine pellets which cost $6.00 for 40 lbs. at Tractor Supply. At that price my cats can poop and pee in luxury. The pine breaks down to a yellow powder though and I have to sweep it up all the time to prevent my cat room from looking like a weird beach because the cats dig and then track with their paws. Yellow, yellow everywhere. I use a light weight variable length squeegee to sweep because a broom just makes all that yellow go airborne. At least there is no initial dust up when I pour the pine and it really deodorizes the contents of the litter box unless I don't dump it often enough. I dump and wash and refill about every 3 days, scoop the poop every day. Lots of work. For this I needed a college degree? Spay and Neuter your cats and dogs and your weird relatives and nasty neighbors too! From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, October 8, 2012 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Scoopable Litter I use scoopable litter, but I use the dust free kind. Some scoopable litter is so dusty clouds of it billow up and this is obviously bad stuff. I never use any scoopinig litter with small kittens, but with as many grown cats as I have (total 24) I use very large litter boxes and I simply can't lift them (to dump) when they are filled with the clay litter. I have painful arthritis and I'm ancient... almost 80. I'd really like to hear from others on the list about who uses clay litter and who uses scoopable. Fresh Step and Tidy Cat scoopable don't seem to have any dust at all, but it's scary to think scoopable litter is so bad. Lorrie On 10-08, Natalie wrote: Liter, especially clumping litter, should be banned - I have tons of info on it, how a company responded to a concerned cat owner, Buyer beware. I discourage all my adopters from using it. Sodium bentonite is fatal to cats if they inhale it, eat it, inadvertently when cleaning themselves - or kittens, while playing. People always seem to think that if something is expensive, it must be the best - and they want the best for their cats! Hartz litter is pretty disgusting, too! Natalie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list
Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia
Well, actually, that can lead to a stroke, which can be slow and gruesome ... Me, I've taken up mountain biking... Hope they find me collapsed on a hillside with a view! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 28, 2012, at 8:38 PM, Marcia Baronda marciabmar...@gmail.com wrote: I have to tell you, that after watching my Mom go through the death process, I have decided that high cholesterol is lookin pretty good to me! Sent from my iPad that my most awesome kids surprised me with, Christmas 2010. On Sep 28, 2012, at 9:40 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: Sounds like my father! He also passed at home. He woke up hot and sweaty and said he wanted a bath. I started to bathe him and got his head done when I noticed him listing to one side. Tried to get him back to bed, but had to let him lie on floor rather than drop him. Did CPR, called 911, but he was gone before they got there. Miss him very much, but glad he went that way. Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com wrote: Good for him. Dying at home is the best way. I want to croak at home in my own bed. On 09-26, Terri Brown wrote: My father who passed away this past December (may he rest in peace), passed away at home, with morphine drops and water if he wanted it. In his case, it was heart failure, and he didn't want to die in the hospital. He literally said to my sister (pardon the language) I am sick of this fucking hospital. Take me home. I want to die on my couch. So that's what he did. Terri - Original Message - From: [1]Lorrie To: [2]felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Euthanasia I guess your mom requested no tubes, and this is why she only got morphine. I'm sure glad she had that. Hospice is usually very generous with it, whereas hospitals aren't. Never go to a hospital to die. They do everything they can to keep you alive and they never give patients enough pain medication. I've worked in hospitals and heard patients crying and moaning with no relief, because doctors are afraid patients might get addicted. This ridiculous when the person is gonna die anyway!! On 09-26, Marcia Baronda wrote: My mom had morphine...hospice wouldn't allow fluids. ___ Felvtalk mailing list [3]Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org [4]http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemi a.org References 1. mailto:felineres...@frontier.com 2. mailto:felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 3. mailto:Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org 4. http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet
Me too! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of lexingtongrn Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 7:50 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet Got it From: James G Wilson phaed...@charter.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 12:56 AM Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing the list... too quiet Hey all, Just testing the list since it's been so quiet. Hope this goes through ok. Best wishes to all. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Picked up Orlandos ashes today
Condolences on your painful loss...bless you for loving and appreciating dear little Orlando. Sent from my iPhone On May 21, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Frank Sue Koren fs...@roadrunner.com wrote: It has been one week since I took Orlando to the vets for the last time. His tumor had gotten large enough to be causing him pain and he had stopped eating. He was such a wonderful cat, my loving flame point Siamese boy. The first time I met him in the rescues FeLV room he reached up and gave me a hug. From then on he was my boy and I can't believe he is gone and I will never see him again in this world. He was about 10 when I adopted him and that was four years ago. He would come up and bite me in the butt for attention when I was working on the computer. If I got up at night to go to the bathroom he would accompany me. Always. I guess that was how I knew it was time. On the last night he didn't do that. He will be SO missed. I hate hate hate this disease. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS
Anna Condolences on the loss of your dear friend, Sylvia. As you have so beautifully written, you loved and appreciated her in your life, and knew how to help her exit her life more easily. I hope the good memories of your time together heal the pain of your loss. Peace, Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Anna Waltman Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 3:05 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] please add Sylvia to the CLS Dear all, I lost my sweet Sylvia cat this afternoon. Despite our best efforts with daily subcutaneous fluids, appetite stimulants, Interferon, probiotics, vitamins, steroids, and multiple antibiotics, she was still fading fast and appeared to be in a significant amount of pain yesterday. So, with a heavy heart, I took her to the vet one last time this afternoon for a consult. The vet looked over her chart thoroughly, took a close look at her gums and listened to her breath, and said that at this point we'd done all we could do; the anemia was causing her to crash. We agreed, sadly, that it was time to let her go. This was definitely the hardest choice I've ever made; I'm only 25 and Sylvia was my first cat as an adult. We bonded immediately and it has been awful watching her decline over the last month. I'd never been present when an animal has been euthanized before, and I was extremely reluctant to see her go this way. I'd hoped she might pass quietly at home, but she just seemed so uncomfortable that letting her linger struck me as cruel and selfish. I think I made the right choice. She went peacefully, wrapped in a clean blanket in my arms, with no pain. While we waited for the vet, she sat in my lap and purred just like she did as a kitten at her first vet visit. It broke my heart to let her go, even though I know it was the kindest thing I could do. Sylvia was the best cat I've ever had: smart, sweet, devoted, impeccably well-mannered, pleasantly chatty, cuddly. Up until last month, she was fat, sassy, and apart from gingivitis, quite healthy, so I am confident she had a good life. I will miss her terribly. I already do. I'm glad I have my lively little clownish siamese mix, Beatrice (who, as far as I know, is FeLV negative and healthy as a horse) to keep me company. It'll just be the two of us for a little while, so we have time to mourn the loss of a truly great friend, old soul, and gentle spirit. I am so, so sad...but also thankful for four years with a wonderful cat. Some animals make you a better person. I think Sylvia has done that for me, and I will always remember her. Thanks to all of you who have given me advice and support over the last few years. I'm grateful to have had a group of more experienced cat owners to turn to with questions and concerns; you all have been a great source of comfort and information. Best of luck to you and yours in fighting this awful disease. Sadly, Anna (and Beatrice) -- Anna Elisabeth Waltman PhD Candidate // Contemporary American Poetics Department of English and American Literature University of Massachusetts, Amherst ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] My Siggie
Terri My condolences to you on the loss of your beautiful orange boy. May your sweet memories of time together heal your heart, and may Siggie play in the meadows of peace. B. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Terri Brown Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:24 AM To: RQP; felvtalk; Persian_Rescue; FLUTD listserv Subject: [Felvtalk] My Siggie Photo E-mail View slideshow https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=3a9610d4bfac09dfpage=playresid=3 A9610D4BFAC09DF!145type=5authkey=!AN4ArYWGx0C175c | Download images https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=3a9610d4bfac09dfpage=downloadphot osresid=3A9610D4BFAC09DF!145type=5authkey=!AN4ArYWGx0C175c Hello everyone, Some of you have known me for a while -- others not. Just writing to let you all know my healthy, non-FeLV cat Siggie has left me for the Rainbow Bridge. He was the last of my original group who did NOT have FeLV. He was my FeLV+ Salome's companion up until she passed in 2005 (right after I adopted Travis from Res-Q-Pets). He was fine all day yesterday. Then suddenly, he couldn't walk or breathe. He was wheezing terribly, and was dragging his hind quarters behind him, soiling himself. I rushed him to the local vet, who told me that he had fluid all in and around his lungs, was at end stage cardiac failure and had threw a clot, which is what paralyzed him. The kindest thing I could do for him was to let them put him down -- but he ended up not needing the help. They gave him a sedative, and before they injected the final shot of the pink stuff, he was gone. Rest in peace and sleep well, my big orange boy. Meowmy and Daddy will miss you forever. https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=3a9610d4bfac09dfpage=playresid=3 A9610D4BFAC09DF!146parid=3A9610D4BFAC09DF!145type=1authkey=!AN4ArYWGx0C17 5c May 2000 - Feb 15, 2012 =^..^= Terri, Guinevere, Travis, Dori, Kimiko and 8 furangels: Ruthie, Samantha, Arielle, Gareth, Alec, Salome, Sammi and Siggie the Tomato Vampire =^..^= These photos will be available on SkyDrive for 30 days. To learn more about SkyDrive, click here http://g.msn.com/1cl91enus/PMFooter . To share high quality pictures with your friends and family using MSN Photo E-mail, join MSN http://g.msn.com/0PHenus1/29 . image001.jpgimage002.jpgimage003.jpg___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Poem: This Old Cat
Wow, Jannes, good luck with your new kitty. How wonderful of you to give such a special creature a home. You will undoubtedly be richly blessed in return! ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Jannes Taylor Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 8:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Poem: This Old Cat Love this poem! Two weeks ago we rescued an blind and deaf cat who is guesstimated to be 10 years old. Another challenge in my life but so glad to be of service. Thanks for sharing such a beautiful poem. Jannes From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Poem: This Old Cat It's beautiful! I will share this with the cat lovers I know. Thank you Natalie(: Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2012, at 7:00 PM, GRAS g...@optonline.net wrote: Have to share this with my fellow cat lovers, Natalie This Old Cat I'm getting on in years, My coat is turning gray. My eyes have lost their luster, My hearing's just okay. I spend my day dreaming Of conquests in my past, Lying near a sunny window Waiting for its warm repast. I remember our first visit, I was coming to you free, Hoping you would take me in And keep me company. I wasn't young or handsome, Two years I'd roamed the street. There were scars upon my face, I hobbled on my feet. I could sense your disappointment As I left my prison cage. Oh, I hoped you would accept me And look beyond my age. You took me out of pity, I accepted without shame. Then you grew to love me, And I admit the same. I have shared with you your laughter, You have wet my fur with tears. We've come to know each other Throughout these many years. Just one more hug this morning Before you drive away, And know I'll think about you Throughout your busy day. The time we've left together Is a treasured time at that. My heart is yours forever. I Promise - This old cat. ~ K.C. Bigamon ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
Got it! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of James G Wilson Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 2:49 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Testing the list Hey everyone, I am just testing the list again. Our webhost moved our account to a new server earlier in the week. And, I haven't seen any traffic on here since then. I hope this goes through ok. And, I hope everyone is enjoying their weekend. Best wishes. James G. Wilson - phaed...@charter.net http://www.felineleukemia.org (FeLV Research Support) http://www.facebook.com/crambone http://weather62025.com (Weather for Edwardsville, IL) ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Firefly Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry My condolensces on the loss of Firefly, who sounds like a sweet little angel. Thanks to you and the others for taking care of her. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 7:26 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Firefly Please add to the CLS :( Through tears I am writing this,Sids has lost another wonderful girl todayFirefly got her name by chasing fireflies jumping and trying to catch them before her rescuer got her off the street. She was the cutest little tabby girl with the sweetest face and purrsonality. I loved her from the second I met her as I am sure many of us volunteers were smitten with this little ladyshe left us too soon but she will ALWAYS have a place in my heartwow this hurts.. Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Homey
Got your hands full! I sure wish you luck with it. I'm typing slow as cat is sitting in front of the computer (and purring!)... Ever hear of Petastic? Great for dealing with stains/smells. They have a cat formula. Works great. Good luck to you and Homey! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2011 11:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Update on Homey My vt just called with the culture report and they found no bacteria. Did a culture for all of them. Sort of good news/bad news. He has an artcle and when finished reading it, will copy for me. She may have Pandora's syndrome or 1 of several other problems. We don't think it i this syndrome as se has a fairly enriched life. The whole house to roam, toys, 7 boxes, 8 beds to pick from + my bed and lap. When it is not raining, snowng or I am at home, she gets to go out and hunt or just lie in the sun on the deck( 53'x 8'). Toys all over the house, not to mention the other cats to case and play with. So now we are stating to look for other reasons the crystals keep coming back. I have statd adding vinegar to their drinking water and sice we like oranges and grapefruit, let her have a bit when I have mine in the morning. We are all on Hill's SD (1 can + 2 cns hot water). Then I spoon some into all bowls. They drink the liquid first and laer g back and eat the meat.! Trying to fin alternative to SD. Petsmart has Royal Canin so will try it next. Rigt now, t is cold, cloudy and I still haven't been abe to fix the garage door so won't be oing out for anything today. Please excuse the erros, Dee is helping me. She likes to stand on the desk and swish her tail back and forth. Ever try to see over a cat? Also have to wash all 8 bs as Homey pees in them during these bouts with the crystals. Have to spray with Natur's Miracle and let it sok for a couple of hours nd then wash. Can only get 2 in washer at a time so will be 4 loads and I still won't have my clothes washed. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://fusion2.fusionhost.com/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Horus was drained
Glad to hear it's going well for you and Horus. My cat Lucky had surgery last week. He's also a sweet muffin, even with that ridiculous radar dish on his head. Good luck! ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 7:57 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Horus was drained Thank-you everybody for sweet words and positive thoughts..Horus is doing well considering, I think he's filling up again, getting a paunch again. The tests results might be back tomorrow but most likely sometime next week. Does somebody have experience seeing almost clear fluid? The tech said didn't look like FIP to her..but don't know if FIP is like other diseases that doesn't have a defined characteristic(in this case different looking fluid vs thick yellow liquid) He's on amoxi for a bacterial infection, sub-q's everyother day or as needed. He's too sweet. he always was, except hours after rescue was the hissiest of the litter but as months passed Horus turned into a very laidback, purr machine kitty, Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Fri, 12/2/11, dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net wrote: From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Horus was drained To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Friday, December 2, 2011, 3:14 AM Here are more prayers for Hortus and you. Poor baby, he must be miserable and you must be also having to see him suffering. I do hope he gets better soon. . Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=ho...@sonic.net wrote: Holding a good thought for you and Horus, Marta. Hang in there! ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=felvtalk-bounces@felineleukem ia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=felvtalk-bounces@felineleukem ia.org ] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Horus was drained Horus got his belly drained today, he had almos 1 liter of fluid, poor baby! And it wasn't classic; it was transparent green fluid, sent a PCR, cytology and fluid analysis..he's being subq'ed regularly and eats lots, weighed a pound 1/2 more but don't know if that was before they drained the fluid. But even so his bones stick out so he's losing protein somehow. It is serious, whatever it is, not sure is curable..tests will be back in 3-5 days Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Horus was drained
Holding a good thought for you and Horus, Marta. Hang in there! ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marta Gasper Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2011 10:50 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Horus was drained Horus got his belly drained today, he had almos 1 liter of fluid, poor baby! And it wasn't classic; it was transparent green fluid, sent a PCR, cytology and fluid analysis..he's being subq'ed regularly and eats lots, weighed a pound 1/2 more but don't know if that was before they drained the fluid. But even so his bones stick out so he's losing protein somehow. It is serious, whatever it is, not sure is curable..tests will be back in 3-5 days Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Lila Rose and Roxxi Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry Condolensces on the losses of your two friends. I'm so sorry. But how blessed to have the connection and love you did share. May these two lady cats have a peaceful transistion, and may the memory of them help heal your heart. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:16 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Lila Rose and Roxxi Please add to the CLS :( We lost these two Sids girls in the last several days. Lila Rose was a shy scared girl that was only with us for just a few months. Roxxi was a beautiful Torti girl who was very quiet and sweet.I had the honor of loving her for just over 3 years. I was broken hearted over these two lovely ladies. :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat
Susan I'm so sorry for your loss of your precious cat, Autumn. I bet she was orange. I once had an orange Autumn, too. Sound like you and she were very bonded and shared a lot. I'm sure you made her life better.and she returned the favor. May your good memories help heal the pain of loss, and may you have a lifetime of wonderful cats! ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Susan Ang Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 4:34 AM To: Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat My cat Autumn died last night due to complications arising from Feline Leukemia. She was four years old. In her short life she was a joy to us, a beautiful, highly intelligent little cat. I can't believe she's gone. I had almost fooled myself into believing that I might get to keep her for a very long time, but the disease won. We are grief-stricken. I joined this list in 2007 after searching everywhere for information and support for FELV owners. I'm so glad it exists. I've drawn a lot of support and knowledge over the years - even when just lurking. I just wanted to add Autumn to the list. She was precious, loved to cuddle, watch Baby Einstein and steal pizza. My home will be so empty without her. I love you, baby girl. ~Susan Ang ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat
Sweet story, Lee. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee Evans Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2011 2:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat My two FeLv/FIV+ cats Taco and Smooch have passed over this year. I was heartbroken. But then I realized how wonderful it was that people like us give these deserving little cats all the life they can sustain and don't turn our backs on them because they were unlucky enough to have these afflictions. Taco and Smooch were both healthy, fat and happy until a month before they passed. Smooch held on a few weeks after Taco but I think Taco called to him that it was better on the other side and Smooch left. Lee _ From: Marcia marciabmar...@gmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 8, 2011 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Autumn the cat This is so true, I know that Fletch is here with me. I miss him so. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:57 AM, MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Autumn left this world as a precious, loved and cared for being. That is so wonderful. She remains with you even though you can't see her and will visit you when the time is right. It may be as you sleep, when you are the most open to her, but don't dismiss it as a dream and enjoy every second of it. On Nov 8, 2011, at 6:33 AM, Susan Ang wrote: My cat Autumn died last night due to complications arising from Feline Leukemia. She was four years old. In her short life she was a joy to us, a beautiful, highly intelligent little cat. I can't believe she's gone. I had almost fooled myself into believing that I might get to keep her for a very long time, but the disease won. We are grief-stricken. I joined this list in 2007 after searching everywhere for information and support for FELV owners. I'm so glad it exists. I've drawn a lot of support and knowledge over the years - even when just lurking. I just wanted to add Autumn to the list. She was precious, loved to cuddle, watch Baby Einstein and steal pizza. My home will be so empty without her. I love you, baby girl. ~Susan Ang ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sids Kids?
Oh, Sherry, I'm way out here in Northern California (in the wine country, no less!) . but that really looked like a smashing good time. Glad you raised funds to help the furry ones! ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2011 9:47 AM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Sids Kids? Thank you Beth for posting the crashs linkand Bonnie it would have been GREAT for you to come to the Wine/Art Gala !!! Where are you located? We had an awesome night and raised almost $15,000 !!! Will be even better next year !!! Thanks to all of you for your kind words,they REALLY do help me through the hard times we go through with our beloved Sids kids:) Love to you all !!! Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sids kid??
Wow, I was all set to go to the wine-do tonight until I realized it's in Michigan! Nice web site, and nice looking cats! Best of luck to you. ~B. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Beth Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 6:13 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sids kid?? Here's their link: http://crashslanding.org/index.html Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/21.gif www.Furkids.org http://www.furkids.org/ _ From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Sids kid?? For months I've been wondering what a Sids kid was. I knew they were FelV cats, but did not know what SIDS meant. I'm glad someone else asked first.. I thought I should know :-) Lorrie On 11-03, Marcia Baronda wrote: That's what I was wondering(-: On Nov 3, 2011, at 7:40 PM, kat parker [1]korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Oh, I am so sorry to hear this! You go through this so much. Please, may I ask you, what is a Sids kid, besides the obvious of being one of your FeLV+ kitties? ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Bonnet Please add to the CLS :*(
Sherry Condolences on the loss of Bonnet. But how wonderful you were there for her and helped make her life better, as evidenced by her change in expressiveness. May the love you shared comfort you. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Saturday, October 08, 2011 9:19 AM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Bonnet Please add to the CLS :*( My heart is broken,found out today that Dr. Jen had to let our beautiful Bon Bon go yesterday. Bonnet was my favorite girl at Sids,she came in a shy girl and blossomed into a loving,playful and sweet beautiful tortie. I will miss this wonderful little lady,I am happy I got to spend some time with her on Monday while I was there. Never enough time. :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Miller
Edna So sorry for your loss. Miller sounds like a very dear friend indeed. May your pain be soothed by your sweet memories. Blessings to you all. Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 11:21 AM To: feline leukemia list Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miller Edna, may a comforting presence hold you close. Thank you for being a with-you-to-the-end ally and respectful, responsive companion to Miller, a best beloved. healing and laughter c _ Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2011 19:39:41 -0700 From: marta.gas...@yahoo.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Miller I'm so very sorry Edna..Godspeed beautiful Miller Marta http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ http://homelessnomore.webs.com/ --- On Thu, 9/22/11, Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com wrote: From: Edna Taylor taylore...@msn.com Subject: [Felvtalk] Miller To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thursday, September 22, 2011, 9:12 PM Well, after trying one round of chemo last week Miller seemed to have a bit more pep in his step and was eating like a champ but then on Tuesday, he didn't want to eat so I force fed him and yesterday morning we took him in, vet gave him subQ fluids and vitamins. I had an uneasy feeling all day and when I got home I immediately went to where I knew he would be, behind the entertainment center. He wouldn't move, he would not lift his head and when I picked him up, he just hung limp in my arms. I knew then that it was time to let him go. Fortunately, Dr. McCann was still at the office and she helped him cross over. We may still have a house full of furbabies but his leaving has left a hole in our hearts. I shall see beauty but none to match your living grace, I shall hear music but none as sweet as the song with which you loved me, I shall fill my days but I shall not, cannot forget. Sleep soft, dear Miller. . . 1999-2011 Edna, Frank and the Nuisance -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://us.mc1102.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Felvtalk%40felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Good for you! ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 5:17 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Hunters When we lived on our 75 acre farm hunters would park on our road and walk back into the woods. We could hear them, but never find them, so because they were parked where I could get to their cars I began letting the air out of their tires! Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cougars
We have them too. I'm in Santa Rosa, Ca. about an hour north of San Francisco. It's a BIG metropolitan area, but because of development and the creeks in the area that allow cover, cougars have been spotted in people's back yards. I worry, but not for the people -- for the cougars. I hate the thought of someone shooting such a magnificent animal that is clearly in stress or it wouldn't be around a stinking town. I imagine they are eating possums, as they are everywhere, thanks to some nitwit who imported them from Texas or someplace for sport hunting. People... ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cougars That would be wonderful to see. I think big cats are fantastic and beautiful. We don't have any around here, as they were all killed years ago, but many deer come up to our house for treats. BTW, where do you live that you still have cougars around? On 09-14, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: My deer come up on the deck to say howdy to me and my cougar visits ever so often. If we left things up to nature, there would be no overpopulation of deer, etc. The cougar, wolve, coyote and bear would keep things in balance. But of course, we all kow these animals are dangerous and will kill us. They will if we are stupid and aggrevate them. Run and that will trigger the preditor instinct. They have to be hungry before they will deal wth humans. My cougar looks at me nd then saunters on across the road. I even talk to him, he turns and looks at me, sometimes snarls like I am a stupid old woman. We even have a bear across the river in an old barn and he/she has never bothered anyone arund this area. In fact, you have to be lucky or really trying to catch sight of them. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
You shoulda hid behind a car, strewn a few dollar bills on the ground, then when he came over to pick them up -- BAM! -- baseball bat to the butt! Well...bet you 'wish' you coulda! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lynda Wilson Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:02 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters It just breaks my heart when we lived in Austin, Tx that there were so many deer starving, they would shoot them rather than feed them. In fact, I worked for a CPA that would litterally climb a tree and have a pile of corn on the ground, wait for the deer to start eating and shoot it. It made me sick and I certainly gave him my opinion on it. Deer are such beautiful animals. - Original Message - From: Lorrie felineres...@frontier.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 4:37 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters On 09-12, dot winkler wrote: Hysterical! L.O.L. I love it. The thing is, yes, some of them hunt and actually use the meat - smoke it, make sausage with it (yuck!). At least they are eating the deer. But the thing is, the animal is so beautiful a creature to behold and so delicate. How can anyone have the heart to kill them? They are graceful and grace our woods and lands. To see one in your yard is a special and breathtaking sight. I don't see how anyone could do it. _ I could never kill a deer. Many deer come to our yard, and they are so beautiful. Last winter some bastard shot the leg off one of them. It was right at the knee and it was just dangling for weeks. Finally it dropped off and thankfully it never got infected. She still comes to our house, and still keeps up with her group. She's an amazing, brave little doe and we call her Tripod. Lorrie Tripod and she in our yard ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Geese Pigeons
This reminds me of a cartoon I cut out and put on my 'fridge. The planet Earth is sitting on a doctor's exam table. The doctor stands nearby looking at the chart and saying, The bad news is you have advanced case humans...The good news is they've about run their course and you should be on the mend soon. Ha! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 1:37 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Geese Pigeons aS A RACE, AREN'T WE A BUNCH. mAYBE THE ANIMALS SHOULD RISE UP AND DO THE SAME TO US. I AM STILL TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY GOD I SO PATIENT WITH US. IF I WERE HE, I WOULD HAVE PUT AN END TO ALL A LONG TIME AGO. But then, I guess that is why I am not God, my patience runs thin very fast. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I love Canada geese, they care for their babies together, with other family members babysitting, etc. - not like ducks...poor mom duck has up to 12 babies, and no mate in sight. Almost all usually are lost. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:19 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Geese Pigeons When we lived in the country on a pond we had Canada geese, and we learned to tell them apart by the markings on their masks. They are extremely intelligent, as well as being elegant beautiful birds. We really loved them. I am sickened now by the knowledge that they are being rounded up as the DNR calls its, because of people building houses and golf courses on lakes that have always been the habitat of the geese. The rounds ups are done when the geese are molting and therefore flightless, and I was nearly arrested from interfering in one of those horrible round ups, where they are herded the terrified geese into pens and then gassed them. I've never witnessed a pigeon shoot, but I've read about them and they are barbaric and cruel. I'm glad the Hegins shoot has ended, but I'm sure there are more elsewhere. How people can enjoy such a sport says a lot about the makeup of humans. We are the most cruel beings on the face of the earth! Lorrie On 09-13, Natalie wrote: So do Canada geese (mate for life). We live on a pond, and they spend a lot of time here. We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties, bothering them. We actually recognize them every year because of certain markings, etc. When one loses a mate, they stay alone. I'm not sure if they ever find another life-mate or not. I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest. It was sick. Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly fly up, they were so weak. Then these brave men would take potshots at them. Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields, dying a slow death. Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks, either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a decapitated pigeon at me. We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them humanely. It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty people amusing themselves. Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others! ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters
Who is it the said you can tell a lot about a society by how people in it treat animals. Such disgusting cruelty. If there is reincarnation, guess who's going to be the prey in their next life? Maybe that way, they will learn a modicum of compassion.and slowly it will change. ~b. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 10:36 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters So do Canada geese (mate for life). We live on a pond, and they spend a lot of time here. We feed them, so they don't go on neighbors' properties, bothering them. We actually recognize them every year because of certain markings, etc. When one loses a mate, they stay alone. I'm not sure if they ever find another life-mate or not. I used to go to the Hegins (PA) Pigeon Shoots to protest. It was sick. Families having picnics, while their menfolk shot at pigeons that had been confined without food and water in dark little traps for days- they were released, totally disoriented, in sudden bright sdaylight. They could hardly fly up, they were so weak. Then these brave men would take potshots at them. Some injured pigeons were able to fly off, land on roofs and fields, dying a slow death. Others fell right down, flopping on the ground until teen boys nonchalantly sauntered over to them, swung them by their necks, either broke their necks, or ripped their heads off. One kid threw a decapitated pigeon at me. We had a tent set up with volunteer veterinarians and wildlife rehabbers to treat the injured birds or euthanize them humanely. It was like in Roman times, a bunch of degenerate, bored, and blood lusty people amusing themselves. Hegins Pigeon Shoot is no more, but there are still others! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Marcia Baronda Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2011 12:29 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hunters doves mate for life...that's what is so sad. another thing that is sad is people with guns chugging down the booze. No laws to protect anything from THAT! On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 10:51 PM, Georgetta Brickey gebr...@hotmail.com wrote: Your posts reminded me of something that happened 40+ years ago on our family farm in Central California... during dove hunting season. We did not allow hunters on our property, but when dying doves fell in our fields and pastures after being shot nearby, hunters would climb over our fences to retrieve the bloody bodies. One afternoon the shotgun pellets were raining down on our roof and through the branches of our oak trees and we were afraid to go outside so Mom called the county sheriff. When he arrived to talk to them about unsafe shooting... Mom noticed his hand was bandaged...an idiot dove hunter had actually shot the deputy in the hand!!! Go figure! When I drove my 25 miles to work, each morning I felt like a cardboard duck in a fair shooting gallery... groups of hunters parked on their backsides sitting on coolers of doveswith umbrellas erected overhead would wait on both sides of the road for flocks to fly over. I managed to get to work unscathed for 5 years, but was never certain I would survive the Sept - Nov. annual killing season. Our hunting neighbor across the road went out with a few friends and came back with only one eye... not a single friend would admit he fired the blinding shot. Nice, huh? Georgetta ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Marcia Baronda Baronda Supplies Service, Inc. 1550 S 2700 Rd. Herington, Kansas 67449 Phone: 785-466-2501 Cell:785-230-6499 I wish to address ethics as it applies to our companion animals. As a veterinarian, I am an advocate for the rights of these wonderful beings who inhabit the earth and our homes, sharing this journey with us. It is my conviction that these animals,and all plants and animals, domesticated or wild, have inherent rights that are separate from their ability to benefit humans. They have the same right to exist as we do. Don Hamilton DVM ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today
Czadna I'm sorry for the loss of your beloved BreAnne. Now she suffers no more. I love Rumi and what you've written makes a sense in this circumstance. You took her there, then - when it was 'time'-- brought her home. Bless you both. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of czadna sacarawicz Sent: Monday, September 12, 2011 2:56 PM To: feline leukemia list Subject: [Felvtalk] BreAnne left today hopefully to meet ToriRose and Isaac at the Bridge. The local vet's euthanisia was really ugly. It happens. ( I thought it would be easier for her rather than riding for 45 minutes). The local vet was no stranger to her. She had had fluids the previous 3 Saturdays. Our usual vet was not able to give her as much fluids Saturday because of her breathing. I came home and let her out and she disappeared into the woods, coming back when it got dark. I put her on the patio to rest Sunday morning. She lay there awhile and left and again returned in the darkness as I trusted she would though I began calling her in midafternoon. Mama (no relation to her) washed her last night. Physically, it was time. You had counseled me that I would know. Some of you know a rough translation of a Rumi poem Whoever brought me to the tavern will have to take me home. BreAnne was an alpha female - - just over 2 years old. Her playmate ToriRose left in February 2010. Isaac left in February 2011. She got really thin last fall and then rebounded. You helped me with her this spring when she quit eating and then decided to eat only Fancy Feast beef. She rebounded in July. will leave it there. Remaining positives are Mama and Luscious and Shallie Jean and Hope. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
This is a huge problem: being a rural area no one neuters their anmals, just let them breed and then give the babies away... If I could provide funds for animal welfare the majority would be to free/low cost spay and neuter! Preventing suffering is easier than eliminating suffering. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2011 2:12 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) JUST HOW OLD IN THIS NATALIE? i AM 70 AND HOPE TO BE HERE A FEW MORE YEARS. Maybe we could get together and help each other out. fATHER MADE IT TO 92. SPEAKING OF HAVING A RESCUE/NO KLL SHELTER, DO YOU HAVE TO BE LICENSED? i WAS THINKING of starting one and applying to cat food companies for $ off or a dnation of food, maybe. Then I could handle more than 7. Right now, between litter and food, my budget is stretched to it's limit. All of you who rescue, have you tried this and did it work? We have so many unwanted cats around here thatI was thinking if I could start a cat only shelter that would give PALS a break and they could concentrate on the dogs. The have been turning away cats and dogs because thy simply do not have the room and they just got a larger facility so they could handle more. So many in our area have lost jobs, homes and cannot keep their pets. Also, being a rural area no one neuters their anmals, just let them breed and then give the babies away to anyone who takes them. Unfortunate because many who take them do not take good care of them, just let them run loose and if they get hit by a car o! r taken by a coyote, get another one. Even PALS isn't too picky about who takes them. Thy are overrun so let them go without too many questions. I would probably go the other way and put them thru a background check before I even interviewed them. Then, I would end up keeping them because I could not find anyone good enough for my babies. Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: This Natalie may be long gone by the time you youngster kick the bucket.unless a bucket kicks you first.. Yes, I would take a few if I had an open condo, so don't go anywhere yet, OK? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Friday, September 09, 2011 10:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) I have so many foster failures that I have more cats than most people so mine could never stay together (a lot of them wouldn't care). So here's my plan - my husband would keep several but he couldn't handle keeping all of them by himself, and even if he did once he remarried I doubt a new wife would want to take care of that many animals, so for the rest my rescue would take a few of the younger, adoptable ones, I have a couple of friends that would each take a few, then I know this nice lady in CT that operates a rescue that can take the rest. Her name is Natalie. Except for one cat, she will go to someone with the e-mail address of maima...@gmail.com. That cat's name is Mai Mai so it's only appropriate she goes to someone who has Mai Mai in her address! Her and her brother are named Mai Thai, like the drink except that there's an h in the tai word that normally isn't there. So her name is pronounced Mai like the drink but I call her Mai Mai. Just to clarify, the reason there's an h in Thai which isn't there in the correct spelling of the drink (which is mai tai) is because my boy Thai is an apple head Siamese (mix but looks almost pure) and the new name for the traditional applehead Siamese cat is a Thai Cat. So after reading that for some reason I came up with Mai Thai for those two. So anyway, I think Mai Mai should go with Mai Mai on her farm. And if you're taking Mai Mai you might as well take Thai. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 19:52:14 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) That is what really worries me. I am in pretty god shape, but accidents do happen. That is why we have to have everything worked out now, including the woever gets my cat(s) to let them know about thir prsonality, food, etc. MaiMaiPG maima...@gmail.com wrote: Amen On Sep 9, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Natalie wrote: We don't have to be older to check out, we could be hit by a bus any dayyoung or old - therefore all of us should have a serious contingency plan for emergencies!
Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-)
If money isn't the problem, why not contact the Humane Society or another non-profit animal organization. You could leave your property to the organization with the stipulation that your animals be cared for (and you could define what that means). If you are wealthy enough, you may even provide a salary to a care taker. When the animals are gone from the world, then the property conveys to the organization. Thoughts being (a) they are organized enough to handle such a thing, (b) they are ethical enough not to 'off the kitties' to get the 'goodies' and (c) as an organization it takes the worry out of finding someone because they are set up, trained and should be very willing to do this. I'd talk with them (whomever you think is appropriate). For most of us, it is not just finding a trustworthy care giver, it's having enough money to provide for them and the cats. If you have property (and other wealth) this could make all the difference for your feline family. I don't know about you, but I always feel nobody loves them like I do...which may be true, but to ensure they're cared for is a burden relieved. ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 3:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Living forever :-) I have provided for my cats in my will too. There is plenty of money for their care, but WHO WILL TAKE CARE OF THEM? With 15 cats this is the problem. Not the money. . On 09-08, MaiMaiPG wrote: I've provided for the care of my critters (dogs and cats and whatever may show up) in my will. Everything is in trust to be used for their care until they all leave this world. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week
Kelley So sorry for the loss of Black Tom. Each cat is special and their life counts. It is so difficult to tell when to intervene sometimes. I hope his helper comes to see it is not her fault, and to appreciate the times they spent together. Peace. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2011 7:26 AM To: felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] Sadly, Black Tom crossed the rainbow bridge last week His feeder is devastated. I am sure she blames herself for not taking him to the vet sooner. Thanks very much to those of you who offered him sanctuary. I can always depend on this list for help. Kelley -- Rescuties - Saving the world, one cat at a time. http://www.rescuties.org http://www.rescuties.org/ Vist the Rescuties stores and save a kitty life! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect-home?tag=rescuties-20 http://www.zazzle.com/rescuties* Buy or renew magazines and help our kitties! http://www.magfundraising.com/rescuties Please help Trooper! http://rescuties.chipin.com/trooper And it is the most divisive incivility to tell true animal lovers they can't complain about it, that they can't fight for the animals, that they should sit down and shut up and allow the killing to continue. - Nathan Winograd ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] Hemy has a home
Just an update on that little feral cat I took from my dear aunt's house..
After going to Forgotten Felines for spay (already spayed), partial tail
amputation and general health check, Hemy lived in a pen on my deck for
nearly a month. I would get my upper body in the pen and we would have a
'love fest' of petting, purring, head-butting and cuddling. Clearly: not a
feral cat. So I left the pen door open yesterday. She sniffed all around
the yard, circled several times, returned to the pen to eat and sleep in her
favorite bed. I called FF about finding her a home, but I think this is her
home, and I'm her person. I love this little cat. I suspect she has some
health issues, but I'm delighted to give her a home and in return have her
friendship.
By the way, my dear aunt passed away on Aug. 24. I visited her the evening
before and she said then the same thing she said every time I saw her: I'm
so GLAD you have the cats. Then she'd ask about them and I'd tell her how
each one was doing and how wonderful they are. It was obviously important
to her that her animals were being cared for, and I think the fact that it
was me ('in the family' and a known cat lover) helped. I'm happy that my
taking her cats made her happy and gave her a little peace in her time of
transition.
~Bonnie
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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
Natalie Good luck with the hurricane! I hope there is no damage and no frightened cats! ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:43 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth I'll send the site where we order these little nematodes - but if a nursery has them, great! We used to get them from Dr. Goodpet.not sure, where we get them now. We are busily preparing for the hurricane. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Maureen Olvey Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 7:21 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth They are just called beneficial nematodes and you can get them at some nurseries. I got some at Pike this year. You can also order them from online. I ordered some from Amazon. I haven't put those out yet so I can testify to them. I'm a little worried they didn't survive the trip through the mail because they have to be kept cool and when I got the order in the mail the ice bag was hot so they weren't kept cool the whole time they were in the shipping process. I'm going to put them out this weekend but I'm a little leary. But the first batch I got from Pike Nurseries in late spring worked great. Man did it cut down on the fleas and I didn't have those little black ants coming in either. I think I'll be putting them down every year from now on. I'm not sure if they work on ticks. Seems like they would if ticks spend a lot of time on the ground. I am not interested to know whether vivisection produces results that are profitable to the human race or doesn't..the pain which it inflicts upon unconsenting animals is the basis of my enmity toward it, and it is to me sufficient justification of the enmity without looking further. - Mark Twain From: ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 14:15:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes? What are they called where do you get them! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES. It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. I had been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also. Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. I check them every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament. I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks. Anyone else haeing a big problem with them? Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first about adjusting the dosage. Cindy Angel Jackpot From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400 It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just discussing it with my feline asthma group. Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems. I have a cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard. That is making things ten times worse. I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems. Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size and split it up between the cats. I don't know if the Revolution isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for fleas. If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially bad year. Some people in the other group were
Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane
This inspired me to tell this story: I got my heart-cat, Stormy, 15 1/2 years ago. She was born to a feral mother. The woman feeding the mother cat noticed the cat getting fatter and fatter, then one day suddenly skinny again. She thought, Uh oh, bet she had kittens. So she followed the cat and sure enough, a passel of kittens had been born, unfortunately in a bucket and (you guessed it I'm sure) it had rained heavily. The only one to survive that storm was the grey tabby, Stormy. A couple of months later the woman had to move and couldn't take her kitten, so I got her. That's why she's named Stormy. Should've been named Lucky or Miracle! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 12:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane That's my huge worry, too! Just think, the two kittens that drowned 2 weeks ago in a flooded backyard in Brooklyn, NY...I have the third that was scooped out of the water at night, and got their mom and dad, too. The baby is only5 wks old. This was just the rain - never mind what's coming this weekend! -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 1:26 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Hurricane On 08-26, Bonnie Hogue wrote: Natalie Good luck with the hurricane! I hope there is no damage and no frightened cats! ~Bonnie I worry more about the millions of homeless cats in NYC DC and NJ than I do about the people. These animals have no place to go and people do. I worry just as much about the pets left behind when their humans evacuate. My first thoughts are always for the animals, but thankfully my cats are safe. We are in the eastern mountains right on the border of western Maryland at 3,000 elevation. Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle....
Thanks for the belly laugh.now I have to go change! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 3:47 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] Time out for a giggle A Trip to Costco Yesterday I was at my local COSTCO buying a large bag of Purina dog chow for my loyal pet, Jake, the Wonder Dog and was in the check-out line when a woman behind me asked if I had a dog. What did she think I had, an elephant? So since I'm retired and have little to do, on impulse I told her that no, I didn't have a dog, I was starting the Purina Diet again. I added that I probably shouldn't, because I ended up in the hospital last time, but that I'd lost 50 pounds before I awakened in an intensive care ward with tubes coming out of most of my orifices and IVs in both arms. I told her that it was essentially a Perfect Diet and that the way that it works is, to load your pants pockets with Purina Nuggets and simply eat one or two every time you feel hungry. The food is nutritionally complete so it works well and I was going to try it again. (I have to mention here that practically everyone in line was now enthralled with my story.) Horrified, she asked if I ended up in intensive care, because the dog food poisoned me. I told her no, I stepped off a curb to sniff a poodle's ass and a car hit me. I thought the guy behind her was going to have a heart attack he was laughing so hard. Costco won't let me shop there anymore. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors
Tell them: yeah, I’ll declaw my cat if you pull out all your teeth. That ought to shut them up! ~B. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Lane Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Problem is declawing is so harmful to adult cats- painful, hard to adjust to, it can ruin them. Not right for kittens, but for adults it's just mean, torturous. Just not a good thing to do. There are places that allow cats w claws but folks may not think bout that till the last thing. But then grandma or whoever dies or goes to an Alzheimer's facility and then who wants a cat ruined by declaw. Gloria Sent from my iPhone On Aug 26, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kelley Saveika moonv...@gmail.com wrote: It wouldn't be you going without the cat, it would be the cat going without you. I have seen cats given up by their owners grieve and mourn themselves TO DEATH. I've seen cats given away by their owners be fine. I've seen cats who have been declawed suffer. I have seen cats who have been declawed do absolutely fine. It isn't all as easy as it looks sometimes. I have not had a cat declawed but I did have one who had to have a mastectomy and who I am sure would have been in horrible pain had it not been for the oral pain meds the vet prescribed. I would hope any vet doing declaw surgery would provide pain meds. At any rate I'm 44 so hopefully it would be a while before I went into a nursing home. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 7:04 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: I would seriously consider declawing very, very seriously– it is the most devastating thing for a cat. Knowing what I do, I would be more heartbroken doing it to a beloved cat than being without the cat, trust me. I wonder how a cat would feel if he/she knew that it had a choice between missing the owner or having their paws mutilated? According to Dr. Nicholas Doddman, who wrote The Cat that Cried for Help, after declawing surgery, cats feel such extreme pain that they either climb the walls of the cage or sit completely morose and cowering in the corner, something that their owners will never see. I have a copy of an article written for NY Times Magazine a few years ago, where a woman writes about declawing her older cat because her mother’s oriental rug was being scratched up. It is one of my hand-out’s to adopters – the story is heartbreaking, and very typical. After the hurricane is over, I will scan it and post it. It is probably the best I’ve read, without going into the gory details of declawing. Natalie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 7:22 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Sorry! This is a 62 email thread in gmail. I don't know how your email program organizes stuff. Anyway I did not look at the date. I've seen cats (especially senior cats) mourn their owners literally to death after being given away, and honestly in that case I'd rather declaw them. Hopefully I will not need to make that choice. On Fri, Aug 26, 2011 at 5:58 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: OMG – you are responding to a post from March……I thought that I was going crazy and somehow missed a whole thread of talking about declawing, NOW! There are also some apartments that allow cats ONLY if they are declawed…I guess they prefer taking their chances of those cats peeing everywhere instead of possibly scratching something, and it would most likely be the tenants’ own furniture! I would rather give my cat away than declaw it – especially when it’s an older cat – it’s so much harder on them (not that it isn’t on young(er) cats). There needs to be a lot of education on declawing and what the psychological/emotional and physical effects can take be. We have had a few abandoned declawed cats, and I have witnessed almost all of them…..but all the damage had already been done, and what was I to do – throw them out or kill them? I found some homes that understood the ramifications and dealt with the problems as well as they could. From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Kelley Saveika Sent: Friday, August 26, 2011 6:45 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Keep Cats Indoors Because if the owner has to go into the nursing home and is fortunate enough to find one where they can take their cat, the nursing home is likely to require declawing. On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 9:34 PM, Natalie at...@optonline.net wrote: That is true, but I don't understand why an old person can't have a cat with claws. Dealing mostly with feral cats, I have never been bitten or scratched - what's the danger, I am 70 yrs old. And as I
Re: [Felvtalk] Blind, declawed cat
Natalie You are a saint for helping this poor animal. Best of luck to him and you. I will pray the right home is found for him. ~B. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 4:55 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Blind, declawed cat OMG, that poor baby. How could anyone be that cruel. On 08-24, Natalie wrote: We just got a 9-yr old blind and declawed cat, and healthy - poor thing was stumbling around in a neighborhood, and only after about 2 weeks it was determined that he cannot see. Nobody was looking for him; obviously abandoned. Now, I'm trying to find him a small and quiet home...he has to be approached quietly and forewarned that you're there. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth
Wow, now I have to ask...Friendly Nematodes? What are they called where do you get them! ~Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 11:38 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth No, we have our property sprayed against ticks, and use friendly nematodes around the house so that we don't have to use flea stuff on the cats. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 3:28 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Pet Armor/Diatomaceous Earth I KNOW THIS IS AN OLD ONE, BUT I AM SLOW IN RESPONDING SOMETIMES. It is now August an boy do we have seed ticks all over the place. I had been using Revolution on my cats because of heartworm (I live on bluff over a river and lots of ponds in our area, so lots of mosquitos) but I took Homey to vet for sturivite crystals in urine and she had some blood also. Vet gave her a long lasting antibiotic shot and now he is back to her normal self, but they called and said she was loaded with seed ticks. I check them every time they come in and I never noticed any s now everyone got a dose of tick treament. I have since found a lot of them on myself, seed and regular ticks. Anyone else haeing a big problem with them? Cindy McHugh ci...@furangels.org wrote: I noticed a couple people have mentioned using Revolution intended for dogs on their cats. I thought this was extremely dangerous. I remember watching an episode of Emergency Vets or one of those shows on Animal Planet where a cat died because someone used a flea product intended for dogs on it. So *please* be very, very careful when doing this and speak to your vet first about adjusting the dosage. Cindy Angel Jackpot From: molvey...@hotmail.com To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: RE: [Felvtalk] Pet Armor Date: Tue, 31 May 2011 19:18:36 -0400 It's so funny that this conversation has come up because I was just discussing it with my feline asthma group. Beth, I'm in GA also and having major major flea problems. I have a cat fence up so all my cats go in the backyard. That is making things ten times worse. I've been using Revolution for several years now with no problems. Like you, I work in a rescue and have a lot of cats so I buy the dog size and split it up between the cats. I don't know if the Revolution isn't working this year or if it's just an especially bad year for fleas. If you say Advantage isn't working then maybe it's just an especially bad year. Some people in the other group were talking about how sometimes switching products can help because either the fleas have built up a tolerance to the current flea meds or maybe the cat's system is processing the flea stuff differently because they've had it on them for so long. Who knows. If you've been using Advantage maybe you should try Revolution or Frontline Plus. I believe Frontline Plus kills fleas and larvae so it kills and breaks the life cycle so that might be a good one too. I hate using all these chemicals on my cats but there's no way around it for me because I've got so many plus a few ferals that live here that I can't touch. I've never sprayed my yard but since this year is so bad I've got to do something. I'm trying to go natural first because like everyone else is saying all these chemicals for yards say don't get on skin, don't get in eyes, don't inhale, etc. etc. and keep pets and children off until it dries and that really scares me. If my cats didn't go out I'd spray the yard with every poison I could find because I hate the fleas so bad. But since they do, for now I'm trying the beneficial nematodes and I just bought the food grade diatomaceous earth. I've been using Flea Stoppers in the house which is a borax type of product. Well, I just sprayed the nematodes last week so I can't tell if they're working yet because they just eat larvae so they don't kill adult fleas so it'll take a while to make a difference. But if anyone wants to try them I got them at Pike's nursery for $39.95. I think you can order them online also. I don't remember if the nematodes do anything for ticks. The diatomaceous earth I got from a local feed store. It's the food grade and a lot cheaper than ordering online, so if any of you are thinking of trying it check your feed stores first. I got a 50 lb bag for $39.95 and this stuff will last forever. I can't believe how little it takes. I didn't need a bag that big but that's all she had. I'm using it outside to try to hopefully kill the adult fleas and putting a little in my cat's coats. It's very very very dusty so you
Re: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry I'm so sorry to hear you lost Mooshu. I know grumpy cats -- and god bless them! They usually have good reason. I'm sure your Mooshu knew you cared, and he purred his gratitude. May you both find peace. Bonnie -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:28 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Sherry DeHaan Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Mooshu Please add to the CLS :( You didn't have to tell him, he knew by your actions and the sound of your voice. Don't ever second guess yourself and wonder what if or did I. Sherry DeHaan sherryd...@yahoo.com wrote: We lost another wonderful Black boy today. My Mooshy man was a big grumpy old boy,but I sure loved him for almost 6 years. I will ALWAYS remember the first time I got him to purr for me...I cried like a baby.He came into Sids just after I started volunteering and I was determined to make that grumbly boy purr. :) I know he knew he was loved,I told him often,but sadly I cant recall telling him on Monday when I was there...I hope I did. I will miss you Mooshy Man Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!
I continue to be amazed by her progress. I can't stand the idea of her in that cage for two or three more weeks. I'm torn between buying a bigger cage (hard to afford right now) and releasing her sooner, say in 3 or 4 more days. I think she might stick around. My biggest fear is that she might try to return to my aunt's house, about 5 blocks away. Im torn. -Original Message- From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Saturday, August 20, 2011 11:16 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy! I have always said that animals are more honest with us than we are with them. I am just happy that Hemi found an honest, loving person. I have had 3 ferals. It took me an average of 6 - 8 months to gain complete trust, but oce tey passed that threshold, there was no turning back. They became the biggest lovers, greatest lap sitters and demanded to be on the bed at night. Shows what a little love can do. Beth create_me_...@yahoo.com wrote: You are right. She is not feral, she just hasn't been loved. I have one inside my house right now who is over 10 years old, never been touched by a human, outside all his life, felt behind when his caretaker was put in a nursing home. I could not touch him for awhile. Now I can pick him up he just purrs!~ Beth Don't Litter, Fix Your Critter! www.Furkids.org From: Bonnie Hogue ho...@sonic.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:24 PM Subject: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy! Today when I fed Hemy (she’s in a cage on my back covered deck) she ate while I was there. I spoke to her and reached a finger through the cage to touch her head. No problem. Then, when I came back to clean her litter box, I took a chance and placed my hand on the floor of the cage and remained still. She moved closer, then nudged my hand. I stroked her cheek and she moved her head around in obvious pleasure. I petted her a few moments and she purred. This is a “feral” cat who has, after tail amputation and being moved from her familiar surroundings, been in a cage on my back deck for only Five Days! I’d say she is more afraid and cautious than feral, wouldn’t you? I’m keeping her in the cage for now, and will go slowly so she doesn’t feel pressured. But what a little sweetheart. It pains me to think of how horribly humans have been to her, yet she is willing to forgive and perhaps trust again. Bless her! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] London Please add to the CLS :(
Sherry, I don't know how you do it, but I'm glad - and the cats are surely glad - that you have the heart and the stamina to continue to care for them, even when time is so short together. Bless you, and bless London on his journey. ~Bonnie From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Sherry DeHaan Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2011 8:52 PM To: Felvtalk Subject: [Felvtalk] London Please add to the CLS :( Well the hearache just keeps on coming...London was a wonderful former Sids kid that had a chance to be in his own home since February.He indured having to lose a leag and a few other ailments,but he was a charming lovebug that always looked pissed.But was ALWAYS very happy,he just had the look. :) I almost adopted him myself back in January after losing my Xander.When the whole Wednesday night crew got wind of me possibly adopting him,there were threats of them all coming to visit EVERY wednesday. I was ok with that. But I just wasn't ready for another yet and wonderful Cheryl took him home shortly after.He was a great cat with a GREAT purrsonality...I love you London and I will miss you sweetie :( Sherry We who choose to surround ourselves with lives more temporary than our own, Live within a fragile circle,easily and often breached. Unable to accept its awful gaps. We still would have it no other way ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
[Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!
Today when I fed Hemy (she's in a cage on my back covered deck) she ate while I was there. I spoke to her and reached a finger through the cage to touch her head. No problem. Then, when I came back to clean her litter box, I took a chance and placed my hand on the floor of the cage and remained still. She moved closer, then nudged my hand. I stroked her cheek and she moved her head around in obvious pleasure. I petted her a few moments and she purred. This is a feral cat who has, after tail amputation and being moved from her familiar surroundings, been in a cage on my back deck for only Five Days! I'd say she is more afraid and cautious than feral, wouldn't you? I'm keeping her in the cage for now, and will go slowly so she doesn't feel pressured. But what a little sweetheart. It pains me to think of how horribly humans have been to her, yet she is willing to forgive and perhaps trust again. Bless her! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy!
The vets that treated her at Forgotten Felines said she has a cleft palate. You can see, when she looks at you, that the little place under her nose where the two cheeks come together, there is a little gap on her. But it must not be serious enough of a problem, because she has a healthy appetite and weighs in at 9 lb. 6 oz. A good sized cat! From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Natalie Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 10:47 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy! That's great news..you don't even need a feather on a stick - see, she's NOT feral at all, only terrified! She sounds like she really trusts you and wants to interact! Poor little Hemy, in great company! What I don't understand is this: If she has a cleft palate, how can she eat? Are you sure it's not just some minor deformity that resembles a cleft palate? From: felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Bonnie Hogue Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 1:24 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: [Felvtalk] First Petting of Hemy! Today when I fed Hemy (she's in a cage on my back covered deck) she ate while I was there. I spoke to her and reached a finger through the cage to touch her head. No problem. Then, when I came back to clean her litter box, I took a chance and placed my hand on the floor of the cage and remained still. She moved closer, then nudged my hand. I stroked her cheek and she moved her head around in obvious pleasure. I petted her a few moments and she purred. This is a feral cat who has, after tail amputation and being moved from her familiar surroundings, been in a cage on my back deck for only Five Days! I'd say she is more afraid and cautious than feral, wouldn't you? I'm keeping her in the cage for now, and will go slowly so she doesn't feel pressured. But what a little sweetheart. It pains me to think of how horribly humans have been to her, yet she is willing to forgive and perhaps trust again. Bless her! ~Bonnie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
