Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge

[Jennifer Lewis]

We have a screen door (yes indoors) so Brynn is not so alone. As well, we are 
2, so Jeff is in there (Our office, her suite) with her a lot. BTW, the screen 
door has panels on the bottom so no kissy faces.
jen
On Sep 27, 2015, at 2:02 PM, Kelley S wrote:

> I feel really bad, because I have a healthy cat population room that I live 
> in with the healthy population cats, and a felv+ room, and no matter how much 
> time I spend in the felv+ room, it is never enough, and obviously not as much 
> time as I spend in the healthy population room.  I was just about to mix 
> them, because I had a kitten who is now over a year and has had both felv 
> shots, but I hadn't yet.  I think what I will do is order a condo, and put 
> her in it for at least a couple of hours a day out front for observation 
> purposes.  
> 
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 3:48 PM, kat  wrote:
> Dear Kelley,
>  
> Your pain says you "failed him" - But you gave him more love & care than he 
> would have gotten from anyone else.  Cats are stoic by nature - they don't 
> show illness until it's in the advanced state (I've been there too - we all 
> have).  It's so easy to look back & say "I should have..."  It's not so easy 
> to recognize it as it happens.  Yes, have your other FeLV+ kitty checked out 
> - it will help ease your mind & heart.  But please do not think you have 
> "failed" any of them.  Your love is more important than anything to them.
>  
> Sending you gentle hugs & purrs from my 'crew' to help ease your pain.  We 
> understand.
>  
> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>  
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2015 at 3:49 PM
> From: "Kelley S" 
> To: felvtalk 
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Merlin has gone to the bridge
> I failed him.  I did not notice his symptoms in time.  Now I have his 
> "sister" (not blood related" by herself.  She is going to be miserable,she 
> does not like to be alone.  I had an appointment for 2 other cats on Monday.  
> I am switching her out with one of them so that I can get her completely 
> checked out.  Not that heart failure is contagious, but I need to be more on 
> top of my FELV+ cats, or now, cat.  I can't do this anymore, I don't know how 
> yall do it.  I don't have "too many" cats overall, but I do think I have "too 
> many" to handle many chronically ill (or potentially chronically ill).  I 
> guess any cat is "potentially chronically ill."  By the way, I fell even more 
> in love with this doctor when he told me he had taken home 2 FELV+ kittens 
> from the clinic and they died before 10 months old.  I read between the lines 
> that someone wanted their FELV+ kittens euthanized or did not want them when 
> they tested pos.  
>  
> On Sun, Sep 27, 2015 at 2:19 PM, Marsha  wrote:
> Kelley, I am so, so sorry to hear about Merlin.  Thanks for doing your best 
> and taking care of him as you did.  Sometimes love just isn't enough to keep 
> them here, and they have to move on to the next realm.  Out of our sight and 
> hearing, but never disconnected from our hearts.
> 
> Soft headbonks and purrs from FeLV+ Brock and me, and my Murrlin too.
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> On 9/27/2015 2:08 PM, Kelley S wrote:
> They say his heart gave out.
> 
> Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin

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Best wishes and prayers
On Sep 26, 2015, at 9:41 AM, Kelley S wrote:

> Well, I got him up to the vet.  He is dehydrated and had lost weight.   He 
> has an ulcer on his tongue but nothing worse than some he has had in the past 
> and his mouth looked better than I expected, though I was hoping it was 
> something like  that that a steroid shot would help. The primary issues the 
> FELV has caused him in the past have been stomatitis and mouth ulcers and 
> persistent uri.   His body temp is low.  I forget the number but at least 2 
> degrees too low.  They are keeping him and giving him supportive care while 
> they try to figure out what is wrong.  They have him on a heating pad and are 
> administering fluids.  I left him there and then we went to get something to 
> eat because I was shaky.  I have now been up over 24 hours.  I just called 
> and he did eat a tablespoon and a half of food on his own for them, so 
> perhaps his condition is not as dire as I feared, though his condition 
> remains guarded.  I hope any of this made sense I'm more tired than I have 
> been in a long time and I want to try to stay up til 6 for the vet's call or 
> I will never wake up when the phone rings 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:20 AM, Kelley S  wrote:
> We have an appointment at 9:40.  Bless Dr Smith I am sure he was quite booked 
> today.
> 
> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Lance  wrote:
> Healing vibes for Merlin. Please let us know what you find out. 
> 
> Best hopes and wishes,
> 
> Lance
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2015, at 6:27 AM, Kelley S  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks.  Dr Smith opens up at 8, so I'm waiting for it to be 8.
>> 
>> On Sat, Sep 26, 2015 at 6:20 AM, kat  wrote:
>> Kelley,
>>  
>> Sending stay-strong, healing prayers to both you & Merlin.  Please let us 
>> know what the vet says.
>>  
>> Kat (Mew Jersey)
>>  
>> Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2015 at 4:10 AM
>> From: "Kelley S" 
>> To: felvtalk 
>> Subject: [Felvtalk] Very worried about Merlin
>> Hi all,
>>  
>> Merlin has stopped eating his wet food.  I had noticed more and more food 
>> remaining in the FELV cat room and watched him carefully tonight.  He is 
>> also not grooming.  He DID pass a normal amount of stool (which I guess 
>> means he has been eating something), unfortunately he passed the stool on 
>> his blankie and then lay down right there.  I am going to try to get him 
>> into the vet in the am, but it is Saturday and I know he will be busy.  If 
>> he can't work me in I am going to at least try to get some AD and see if I 
>> can syringe feed it to him.
>>  
>> Kelley
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Jennifer Lewis]

So sorry. 
One of my non-Leuk kitties is about 20 and we are looking at winding down 
ourselves for the Big Man (not so big any more). He is hyperthyroid and his 
meds have advanced his CRF, and he has heart issues. No heroics... tried that 
on my darling Buff and will never forgive myself. 
Our plan now is for his maximum comfort and life quality, as hard as it is for 
us. 
It's very hard... but I do recommend the same path. For you and for Bella.

Our hearts are with you~
Jennifer, Manny Man, Brynn, Wiggles, Bev and The Goof 
On Sep 21, 2015, at 8:37 AM, simon95 wrote:

> My little bella is very sick she has lythomy in her kidneys she hasnt eaten 
> in 3 days i am force feeding her and she is loosing weight rapidly. 
> 
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>  Original message 
> From: "Katherine K."
> Date:2015/09/21 17:24 (GMT+01:00)
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list
> 
> We are hanging in there. My 2.5 year old, Jazz just went for his annual check 
> up and weighed in at 13.5 lbs! He's quite healthy. My 12-13 yr old cat 
> Krammer used to weight that much but has lost 2 lbs since May unfortunately, 
> and is now down to 9.5 lbs. He is on a low dose of Prednisolone to stimulate 
> appetite. I'm debating whether to buy more LTCI injections - he's had them 
> monthly for the past 2 years but they're just so costly and hard to measure 
> if they actually do anything.  Sigh.
> 
> On Mon, Sep 21, 2015 at 10:56 AM, Jennifer Lewis <blonded...@mac.com> wrote:
> All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
> Jennifer L
> On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:
> 
> > Hey all,
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> > Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in
> > awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well.
> > Best wishes.
> >
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Re: [Felvtalk] New to the group

[Jennifer Lewis]

LOVE the names!
I recommend starting them on Maitake d-fraction. The + kitties in particular as 
it is anti-cancer, but all is ok too. We even take it ourselves. Our Brynn just 
lays down and laps it. About 7-10 drops in a syringe of water.
Jen L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 10:01 AM, Sabrina Doyle wrote:

> Hi all my name is Sabrina. 1.5 years ago we decided to adopt a new kitten. 
> Mad Max, came from a spay clinic/rescue, very reputable. Our 2 Dizzy, 11 with 
> issues an a seizure disorder, and The Weasel age 3 at the time. All testing 
> of Max mom was negative. Got a call 6months later his brother got sick and 
> tested positive for FELV. The woman who surrendered the litter pointed them 
> to the wrong Mother. Max will be 2 Feb. 1 and has tested positive twice. 
> Since then we adopted Raven who we knew was positive. We have lots of love 
> but I am here to learn so I can give them the best care. Thanks for taking 
> the time to read.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Testing the list

[Jennifer Lewis]

All good here. Brynn seems as healthy as can be...
Jennifer L
On Sep 21, 2015, at 7:52 AM, James G Wilson wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Just testing the list. There hasn't been any traffic in 
> awhile. Hope everyone and their little ones are doing well. 
> Best wishes.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 4 month old kitten with Feline Leukemia

[Jennifer Lewis]

Hi
I am so sorry to hear your little Oreo has tested +. 

Try anything you can to get him to eat. Tempt him with any and every thing. He 
has to eat. Tuna juice is a good one, as is rotisserie chicken. I don't think 
steroids are a good idea...maybe a bit drastic and they are very hard on his 
system, especially as he is so young. Brynn is on steroids for her 
stomatitis... we really wish there was another option for her

We have Brynn on Maitake D fraction. She takes the diluted drops very easily. I 
am convinced they are helping her as aside from her stomatits she is completely 
asymptomatic

Jennifer


On Jun 28, 2015, at 7:13 AM, KATHLEEN BUSO wrote:

 Hi, I am looking for advice about our little Oreo. We adopted him at 9 weeks 
 from a rescue group. His mom was a stray who was ill when she had her 
 kittens. The kittens were eventually bottle fed and had a rough start in 
 life, but then seemed to recover and were adopted out. About two weeks ago, 
 our Oreo started to show signs of illness. His inner third eyelid came out, 
 and then he started running a fever. I took him to the Rescue's vet, and she 
 gave me antibiotics and some metacam to bring down the fever. She said the 
 mom had been tested for a bunch of viruses, including feline leukemia and 
 came back negative, so there was no reason to test Oreo. A week later, he was 
 worse so I took him to another vet and she tested him and told me he tested 
 positive for feline leukemia. Up until yesterday, he seemed to still have a 
 fairly good appetite but was sleeping a lot and showing symptoms of upper 
 respiratory infection. Today he is uninterested in food and seems much worse. 
 I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions that would help, or should I 
 just accept that there's nothing that can be done? We were considering trying 
 the LCTI drug but we live in Canada so we would have to travel into the 
 States to get it. It would be about a 3.5 hour drive there and would be hard 
 on Oreo, as he hates the car. Has anyone used LCTI and had any success with 
 it? Is there anything else I can do for Oreo now, to help him feel better, 
 like steroids? Any suggestions or advice would be very much appreciated. 
 
 Thanks,
 Kathleen
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Re: [Felvtalk] My Harley is gone

[Jennifer Lewis]

I am so sorry Marsha. I hope that he is with my FeLV Smoosh (We lost her at 14 
months in July) and my heart and soul kitty Buffcat (CRF) who crossed last week 
after being the best friend I have ever known for over 17 years.

Jennifer
On May 15, 2015, at 6:24 PM, Marsha wrote:

 My sweet little FeLV+ Harley, just barely 5 years old, went to join his buddy 
 Milkdud across the Rainbow Bridge today.  There is a pet cremation service 
 about an hour from me that does individual cremations, and you can arrange to 
 attend if you want to.  I put his catnip heart in with him, and a dandelion 
 blossom, covered him with the petals from a red rose, and then let some of my 
 tears drop onto him.  I sat with him outside in a glider chair until they 
 were ready for him.  The weather was nice, and I looked out into a peaceful 
 wooded area.  Only the very slightest breeze, so the rose petals didn't blow 
 away.  I carried him inside when they were ready, but didn't remain for the 
 process.  I chose an urn that looks like a black cat (like Harley) crouching 
 to pounce on a mouse.  I may put it in his favorite hunting spot, if it 
 doesn't upset Brock (Harley's FeLV+ roommate).
 
 The last several days, Harley could only have broth (tuna juice, the juice 
 from Fancy Feast Appetizers, etc.) and he had a difficult time getting even 
 that down due to the growth of his cancer.  Rather than take the chance of 
 him choking on his broth over the weekend, I took him to the vet to help him 
 cross over.  He remained in bed nearly all the time the last 3 days, but 
 thanks to his pain meds, he did enjoy some pets, tummy rubs, and naps in his 
 last days.
 
 Marsha
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Rehome one-year-old grey cat

[Jennifer Lewis]

Where?
On May 9, 2015, at 3:08 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 If youi can afford it, keep him/her.  I have a nine year old that was 
 diagnosed at age 4.  She is still healthy as can be.  None of my other cats 
 has contracted FELV.
 
 
  Maria Hunter maria.hunte...@cox.net wrote: 
 
 Hello, I am trying to find new homes for my sisters cats that she has been 
 taking care of for a year now. The next door neighbor complained and was 
 going to have them picked up by animal control. Therefore I had them brought 
 to my garage by the help of a Cat rescue inc. volunteer. I have been trying 
 to get help for adoption of five cats. Unfortunately I had one of them fixed 
 yesterday and he is diagnosed with feline leukemia. Trying to find a new 
 home for him. Any suggestions?
 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Update on Harley Brock

[Jennifer Lewis]

Oh My. Peace to you and your kitty kids
On Apr 28, 2015, at 9:25 PM, Kelley S wrote:

 I'm so sorry.  There is a good Yahoo feline heart disease group.  I lost my 
 Missy to heart disease.  
 
 On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 10:47 PM, Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote:
 Harley has been with me 4.5 years, since he was a kitten of almost 4 months 
 old, FeLV+ since then.  Brock was adopted as a companion for Harley 7 months 
 ago, after Harley's FeLV+ buddy Milkdud died last May.
 
 Harley was diagnosed with cancer in the middle ear  jaw area in March, and 
 he had one palliative radiation treatment at the end of March.  He was 
 supposed to get his 2nd treatment a few days later, and the tumor had grown 
 just enough that he could not be intubated. No anesthesia = no radiation 
 treatment.  The tumor is causing some pressure behind his right eye, and is 
 pressing on the inner ear also, causing balance issues sometimes.  He gets 
 meloxicam and buprenorphine (extended release) every 3 days, and this keeps 
 him comfortable enough to eat (soft food  liquid), groom a little, roll over 
 for belly rubs, and once in a while bat a toy, scratch on his Turbo Scratcher 
 with the light-up ball, or rub his nose on a catnip toy.
 
 Brock gave me a shock.  I took him in for a voracious appetite without 
 gaining weight, and itchiness around the head and neck, thinking maybe 
 hyperthyroidism.  Blood work showed potential kidney issue, urinalysis the 
 same, high blood pressure.  An ultrasound was scheduled to look at the 
 kidneys, and everybody was surprise to find he had free fluid in his 
 abdominal area.  110 cc of chyle was drawn off, needle aspirations taken of 
 kidney and liver.  Almost certainly lymphoma, they thought.  Cytology came 
 back negative for that, and he went to see a cardiologist and get an 
 echocardiogram.  Final diagnosis:  restrictive cardiomyopathy with congestive 
 heart failure.  He is only 4-5 years old.  He does not look or act like 
 anything is wrong, and the physical exam never suggested he had that pleural 
 effusion in there.  Now he is on 4 heart meds, and a potassium supplement.  
 The pleural effusion is under control for now, but I've been told this kind 
 of cardiomyopathy is the worst of 3 kinds.
 
 Marsha, Harley,  Brock
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Cat Tested Postive for FeLV

[Jennifer Lewis]

I reached out to the only rescuer I know in TX but no joy. Sorry
Jen
On Jan 18, 2015, at 3:26 AM, Lee Evans wrote:

 I was given this stray by a person with whom I used to do rescue. I am now 
 out of the rescue business and have over 30 cats who were not adoptable for 
 one reason or another. They are an aging group of cats. Occasionally I would 
 take in a FeLv+ cat to see if he or she would turn negative and most of them 
 did. The ones who did not went on to people who understood FeLV and were 
 willing to give the cat a chance at life. 
 
 Now I do have a problem. With  this white and spotted stray, who has 
 wonderful possibilities for being adopted, I do not have an isolation room. 
 Every room in my house has some type of regular cat or problem group(one eyed 
 FIV cats and cats who were losing weight and need extra nutrition). 
 
 Is there anyone on the list who lives in the San Antonio/Austin area or any 
 small town in this area who can foster the white cat to see if he overcomes 
 the virus? He has no symptoms except he eats like a pig and is underweight, 
 possibly from being an outside stray. I had a foster home for him but they 
 are not going to take a leukemia positive cat and my other two homes who do 
 accept leukemia  cats are over their limit already with cats who did not turn.
 
 Thanks for any help anyone can give. I do want this lovely little cat to have 
 a chance at a good life.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens

[Jennifer Lewis]

I agree with Katherine. My rescue group was just happy that I was able to take 
and keep 2 + kitties that otherwise would have gone to a sanctuary after their 
long term fosters failed and bailed on them. 
As desperate as all rescue groups are for funds, they never even suggested a 
fee for either kitty. My baby Smoosh lasted for 14 months as she inherited the 
FeLV from her mother. Brynn came to me as an adult and is still here with us. 
We often think of getting her a companion, but our living situation is tenuous 
right now and we're in a holding pattern.
On Nov 14, 2014, at 9:05 AM, Katherine K. wrote:

 Amy,
 I wish you the best of luck in placing these kittens. I had a litter of 4 
 positive kittens and tried very hard to find good homes for them, with no 
 luck, so they lived with me until they passed away, most before they were 1 
 year old. It was a very busy year, but they were a lovely little group and it 
 was nice seeing them stay together as a family for the time they had. 
 I have to agree with Kelley that a $115 adoption fee in reality is not likely 
 to help you get them placed in homes. In my experience, people just don't 
 want to adopt and get attached to, much less pay a fee for, a kitty who will 
 probably not live long. I was lucky enough to be working with a larger rescue 
 organization who covered their shots, spay/neuters and testing expenses. I 
 just provided the home, food, love and tears :) 
 I suggest making flyers with the best photos you can get, and make them sound 
 very friendly and loving. Play the sympathy card for all it's worth! :)
 Good luck,
 Katherine
 
 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 11:44 AM, Kelley S moonv...@gmail.com wrote:
 I must not be getting all the posts.  FELV+ kittens are very hard to 
 place,and the adoption fee you are charging doesn't make it easier.  I too do 
 rescue.   We adopted out a double positive cat to a person on this list. We 
 altered her, vaccinated her, tested and retested her.  We charged $25 and 
 today I doubt we'd charge that. She went to an excellent home, we got 
 pictures and updates.  She recently was euthanized due to severe 
 cardiomyopathy and lived 7.5 years.  I wish you the best of luck testing your 
 5.  Maybe someone here has room for a new kitty:)
 
 On Fri, Nov 14, 2014 at 8:53 AM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
 I GOT ANNIE AS AN ADULT OF 4 YRS, BUT THE VET THINKS SHE WAS ALWAYS POSITIVE. 
  SHE HAD NEVER BEEN OUTSIDE THE LADY'S HOUSE AND WAS SPOILED ROTTEN.  I HAVE 
 HAD NO PROBLEMS WITH MY OTHER CATS WHO WERE ANYWHERE FROM 1 YEAR TO 10 YEARS. 
  MOST DIE OF OLD AGE AT 18 OR SO.  YOU DO HAVE TO BE VERY OBSERVANT AND CATCH 
 ANY PROBLEM BEFORE IT CAN GET STARTED.
 I AGREE, YOU HAVE TO TELL PEOPLE, BUT IF THEY REALLY LOVE CATS, THEY WILL 
 TAKE THE CHANCE AND LOVE THEM UNTIL THEY ARE GONE.  WHAT YOU GET FROM THEM IN 
 THAT SHORT TIME IS WORTH IT.
 
  Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Did she get leukemia as a kitten?  I have a 12 year old leuk positive but I 
  didn't get him til he was three so not sure if he had it as a kitten or an 
  adult.  I also just lost one of my leuk positives that was 12, also got her 
  around 4 so not sure when she got leukemia.  Anybody that I had with 
  leukemia as a kitten hasn't made it past 2 :(  I know any of them can defy 
  the odds and I always tell people that but I will warn people that there 
  may be heartbreak ahead.  I think it is only fair.  Never stopped me from 
  helping these little ones though.  They are all so special.
 
  We just had an entire litter convert at our rescue (which the vets and the 
  specialists have told me is really unusual) so I'm hoping for the best for 
  these little cuties.  So happy your Annie is doing well!!!
 
 
  
   From: dlg...@windstream.net dlg...@windstream.net
  To: Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 9:28 AM
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 5 leukemia positive kittens
 
 
  MAY NOT LIVE OVER A YEAR, BUT THEN YOU NEVER KNOW.  MY ANNIE IS NOW 8 YEARS 
  OLD .
 
 
 
 
   Amy awilkin...@yahoo.com wrote:
   I volunteer for a rescue in Rochester, NY and have also owned leukemia 
   positive cats (rescues) for years.  We were recently contacted by 
   somebody that adopted out a kitten from a litter of 5 that she found 
   outdoors.  She got a call from the adopters that the kitten tested 
   positive and that the people needed to bring him back.  She wanted help 
   so we paid to have all 5 kittens tested this week.  All five are 
   positive.  The foster is willing to hold them for 30 days so we can 
   retest them but she does not want to euthanize (nor would we suggest 
   that) and she can't keep them.  She has five cats of her own and can't 
   take another 5.  She would like us to try to find adoptive homes for them.
  
   We have agreed to find homes for them if she will let us screen the homes 
   and do the adoptions through our rescue, Animal Service 

Re: [Felvtalk] Such a short little life

[Jennifer Lewis]

Elizabeth,

So sorry for your loss I was just there with Smoosh a couple of months ago.

Marta,

Where are you located?

Jennifer
On Oct 22, 2014, at 9:42 AM, Kamila Piotrowska wrote:

 They are ALL beautiful and lovable just have shorter life's but it is up to 
 us humans to take care of them and give them that warm  comfortable home to 
 be themselves, 
 I have 4 of FELV+ that rescue wanted to put down, and I have refused to agree 
 with them , since that time I'm looking for people who understand that 
 conditions and are willing to take them for that little time that they have. 
 If any one in this group is willing to take care of one or more FeLV+ kitten 
 please let me know, i have 3 siblings that are 6 months old and one 1 1/2 yo 
 girl as well, they are all fixed and up to date with vacc. Before you going 
 to say anything and judge, I do owe 5 cat of my own and one become positive 
 true fostering, I'm still not giving up, but my living situation will change 
 soon and can not provide for 9 cats. Please contact me if you are willing to 
 help them to find loveable home. 
 Thank you
  Marta 
 
 On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 10:49 AM, Mercy Cats mercyc...@outlook.com wrote:
 Elisabeth,
 
 Please try to take comfort in the knowledge that Nanita would not have had 
 any life without you and your husband.  She had people who loved her, and 
 that is the most important thing.  You're very special.  It's been almost 
 five years since our Harley died at around 18 months of age.  He too was full 
 of mischief and loved playing crazy cat.  It still breaks my heart to think 
 of his loss, but I'll never regret adopting him.  Harley stuffed a lot of 
 life and love into that year and a half.
 
   All three of you are in my thoughts and prayers.
 
 Sharon
 
 
  From: dkr...@cableone.net
  Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 08:58:38 -0600
  To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
  Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Such a short little life
 
  
  Elisabeth,
  Thank-you so much for sharing your story. I too have Felv + kitty of 6 mos. 
  We’ve nicknamed him Slayer of Dragons! We’re all having so much fun with 
  him. I do keep in the back of my mind that his life will be short. Trying 
  like hell to just enjoy the moments I have with him. So sorry for your 
  loss. 
  In Sympathy,
  Debi Kraal
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   It is with the greatest sadness that I have to say that out little Nanita 
   passed away last night. She was just over a year old and had developed 
   lymphoma which grew quite quickly. Most of her life was spent getting up 
   to mischief and her nickname was Troublemaker. She was her Daddy's girl 
   and lived her life to the fullest. She was a happy and affectionate 
   little girl. Her loss leaves a hole that will never be filled.
   
   Thank you to everyone who replied to my question.
   
   With kindest regards
   
   Elisabeth
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Re: [Felvtalk] Harley has a new friend

[Jennifer Lewis]

Congrats Marsha! 

I hope all works out well.. Our Brynn has been so lonely since we lost Smoosh, 
so I'd love to hear how it all goes.. We entertain getting her a new bud, but 
so far, all the +s that come our way are kittens, and given the mort rate, we 
are just too scared to go there after Smoosh... It's sad but the hole in our 
hearts is still too raw for us to think about a youngster (although we are such 
suckers when there's one in need)

Jen

On Sep 28, 2014, at 10:58 AM, Marsha wrote:

 My FeLV+ cat Harley has been alone since his buddy Milkdud died May 20.  I 
 have seen many FIV+ cats up for adoption during that time, but there haven't 
 been any local FeLV positives.  I  found one at a shelter nearly 2 hours away 
 and brought him home yesterday.  He is currently in an isolation cage up on a 
 table.  The shelter only tested him once, with a Snap/ELISA test.  I probably 
 should have waited until Monday and paid for their local vet to do an IFA, 
 but he is here now.  I'll call my vet 1st thing in the morning to get him in 
 for a new test.  The new boy's name is Brock, and he is all black, about 3 
 years old.
 
 Harley is fascinated by the new boy, but a tad jealous, and maybe even upset 
 that it wasn't Milkdud.  While I was getting Brock's crate situated in the 
 isolation cage, Harley snatched Brock's mouse toy and ran off with it.  Poor 
 Brock never even got to play with it!  But the shelter said he doesn't play 
 much, preferring to be petted and held.  That could be an issue when Brock is 
 released from the cage, if he ignores Harley's attempt to play and climbs in 
 my arms instead.  In the meantime, I am giving Harley lots of extra attention 
 and playing with him.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Blind positive cat

[Jennifer Lewis]

YAY!!
On Sep 25, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Katherine K. wrote:

 Just wanted to let everyone know that I got the blind kitty. He's sper 
 sweet. My other positive cat seems interested in meeting him, so hopefully 
 that's a good sign. 
 
 On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:34 PM, Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote:
 And be sure to introduce the new kid slowly.
 On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Grace Mifsud wrote:
 
  Hi
  I have homed a few blind cats.it shoud not be a problem giving this blind 
  cat a home you just have to put litter,food water always in the same 
  place.they will get so used to the house you will some times think they are 
  not blind.
  Grace
 
  Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Does anyone have experience with a blind FeLV+ cat? There is one near me 
  who needs a home, so I am considering him. I think he is about 1-2 years 
  old. I believe his blindness comes from a viral infection. I do not have 
  stairs in my home, and I have been told he is littertrained. I plan to 
  start him out in one room.
 
  I'm also concerned about stressing my 12 yo positive cat. He likes other 
  cats, but I don't know how sensitive his immune system will be to a change 
  in the household and would hate to cause him to have a health relapse due 
  to introducing a new cat. On the other hand, I know how hard it is to 
  rehome a positive cat, and since I already have a positive household, I 
  feel like I should be open to helping other positives.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Blind positive cat

[Jennifer Lewis]

And be sure to introduce the new kid slowly.
On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Grace Mifsud wrote:

 Hi 
 I have homed a few blind cats.it shoud not be a problem giving this blind cat 
 a home you just have to put litter,food water always in the same place.they 
 will get so used to the house you will some times think they are not blind. 
 Grace
 
 Katherine K. kaths...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Does anyone have experience with a blind FeLV+ cat? There is one near me who 
 needs a home, so I am considering him. I think he is about 1-2 years old. I 
 believe his blindness comes from a viral infection. I do not have stairs in 
 my home, and I have been told he is littertrained. I plan to start him out in 
 one room. 
 
 I'm also concerned about stressing my 12 yo positive cat. He likes other 
 cats, but I don't know how sensitive his immune system will be to a change in 
 the household and would hate to cause him to have a health relapse due to 
 introducing a new cat. On the other hand, I know how hard it is to rehome a 
 positive cat, and since I already have a positive household, I feel like I 
 should be open to helping other positives. 
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice

[Jennifer Lewis]

Matt,

I know Roughy doesn't like the vet, but you may need to get his chest x-rayed. 
Our Smoosh began having very labored breathing (and it happened very quickly) 
and when we took her in, x rays showed a massive amount of fluid had collected 
in her chest cavity; it was in essence smothering her.  You could not even see 
her heart and all you could see of her lungs looked like little feathers. She 
was a small (6 lb) cat  and around a pint of bloody fluid was extracted (which 
was found to contain squamous or cancer cells). We lost her shortly after to 
this fast moving cancer, as the fluid built up again very quickly and we could 
not watch her suffer. 

Sorry to bear  less-than-positive input, but this was our experience. Please 
talk to your vet about this.

Jennifer (and Smoosh)


On Sep 16, 2014, at 12:39 PM, Matt Pardo wrote:

 Thank you, Lee! I talked to my vet who is concerned that because of his 
 stress levels, we should see if his current treatment will help enough. He is 
 concerned that being hospitalized for a transfusion will be too much for him. 
 He gets EXTREMELY stressed to the point of making himself violently ill. He 
 was a feral cat for most of his life so he hates cars and all other people. 
 Anyway, he seems to be improving a tiny bit although I am hoping it isn’t my 
 mind playing tricks on me. I am excited that he is drinking water again and I 
 am hopeful that he will start eating on his own.
  
 No fleas…I haven’t let him outside (or any of my cats) for the last 4 years.
  
 Anyway, thanks again, Lee!
  
 From: Lee Evans [mailto:moonsiste...@yahoo.com] 
 Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 8:01 PM
 To: Matt Pardo; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice
  
 Roughy needs a transfusion if his breathing is labored. The anemia is getting 
 him. Can you take him to a clinic that offers blood-matching transfusions? My 
 poor Bunny had labored breathing and progressive anemia towards the end. Her 
 bone marrow was not producing any red cells. Maybe you can buy some time for 
 Roughy. His bone marrow may still be producing red cells but not in the 
 quantity he needs. If he gets a good dose of healthy blood, it will help him 
 eat again. You may need to stop the cortisone. You need a second opinion from 
 a vet who is up on the latest data regarding feline leukemia. What Roughy may 
 have is non-generative anemia but maybe not. He may still be in the stage of 
 generating red cells. Have you treated him for fleas? Cats can also get flea 
 anemia which responds well to a transfusion.
  
 
 On Sunday, September 14, 2014 7:14 PM, Matt Pardo mpa...@velocitystorm.com 
 wrote:
  
 
 Thanks for the feedback, Lee. We were hoping that Roughy had turned negative 
 because we have had him for four years. He is our only FeLV+ cat and he is 
 FIV+/FeLV+. I feel like a real idiot for not getting him tested. I should 
 have been prepared for this. Right now, I am just praying we get through the 
 weekend. His breathing seems so difficult and I know he hasn’t slept very 
 much (nor have I). I am reading more about treatments and I am not sure my 
 vet is very current on treatments. He is a great vet, but he didn’t present 
 any real options. Ugh.
  
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lee 
 Evans
 Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 5:54 PM
 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] need some help/advice
  
 Hi Matt -  I have had several cats who turned from FeLv+ to negative. One who 
 turned back to positive after turning to negative passed away very quickly. 
 Odd case because my other turned cat lived to be 12 years old. He was about 
 a year old when I rescued him, he was positive and then turned negative. 
 Lived a pretty long life too, considering he had been a street cat before I 
 got him.  I still have one who was both FeLv+ and FIV+. He turned negative 
 for leukemia but not for FIV but FIV is not a serious issue around my place. 
 They usually live as long as negative cats.
  
 I was under the impression that cats who are positive for leukemia are not 
 supposed to be given cortisone shots or oral cortisone medication. It will 
 increase a cat's appetite for a while, but not for long. Cortisone also has a 
 bad effect on the cat's kidneys if given regularly. I could not find anything 
 current on Facebook although there are a couple of pages for Leukemia 
 positive cats but no postings since 2011 and 2012. I don't think you will be 
 getting any up to the minute information on those pages.
  
 On Sunday, September 14, 2014 12:12 PM, Matt Pardo mpa...@velocitystorm.com 
 wrote:
  
 Hi everyone, I am new to the list. I have been looking through the archives 
 for an answer, but haven’t found it yet. Sorry if this has been answered 
 before.
  
 My cat, named Roughy, was a feral cat with FIV and FeLV. I have had him for 
 about four years now with only minor infections. However, on Thursday, he 
 didn’t eat. 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6

[Jennifer Lewis]

Shelley,

I'm sorry I've been out of touch. These past weeks have been very hard for us. 

Smoosh's FVRCP was from Pfizer called FELOCELL. She had no reaction to the 
shots, and I got them through one of my rescues. Again, we did not do rabies as 
she wasn't going anywhere once she came to us, but Brynn had hers as she was 
originally supposed to go to a sanctuary and the law required it.

Brynn has started to develop a fatty something on her side( I don't think it's 
a vac site) . We are monitoring it closely. She is so lonely without Smoosh. 
I'm really not sure who misses her the most, although I suspect it might be me.

Jen
On Aug 14, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Shelley Theye wrote:

 Hi Kat,
 
 Thanks so much for your reply. 
 
 Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue 
 with pos. cats 
 or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share?
 
 Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? 
 
 Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long 
 story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos.
 test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that 
 point) and as she was chasing him around 
 and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the 
 local animal control and he had to be quarantined 
 for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways.  He had received his 
 first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this
 so they said it wouldn't be effective yetI was worried that if he had a 
 chance to throw the virus off he 
 would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine.  He now is very sweet 
 but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I 
 am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will get 
 rabies, but never want him to have to be 
 quarantined again!  
 
 Thanks so much! 
 Shelley
 
 
 On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so 
 either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being 
 positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, 
 probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a 
 positive cat?  The law is ot going to be enforced in your home  it's not a 
 big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that 
 antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop 
 antibodies. 
 
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 Hi Lance,
 
 I am not sure!  I will ask her.  She is pretty great.  Didn't even consider 
 euth. when he tested positive.  Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the 
 news later that day.
 
 I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I 
 asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating.
 
 Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet 
 clinic.  I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP.
 
 We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between 
 vaccines if do the FVRCP.  I thought that was good of her
 to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once.  I never 
 realized that until a few years ago.
 
 I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this,  will probably just do 
 the rabies though for now.
 
 Shelley
 
 
 On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote:
 
 I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto 
 Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to 
 recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never 
 did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the 
 vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough.
 
 If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the 

Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

[Jennifer Lewis]

First off, Thank you all so much for your condolences. 
Smoosh was absolutely a 'cat of a lifetime' in every way (and every day), and 
losing her has rocked me to my core. 

My vet, Dr Stan Avezov of Pasadena Pets Hospital in Pasadena, CA could not have 
been any more wonderful with her, and supportive of us.
 
He is compassionate and understanding to the nth degree, and I would never 
hesitate for a moment to advocate for him. 
We have financial limitations (Smoosh and Brynn were supposed to be 
weekend/temp fosters through a rescue until they tested + and their long term 
situations bailed on them) but he has consistently worked with us always for 
the greatest good for the girls throughout their lives. He also is absolutely 
my 'go to' for my other kitties as well, and we are kinda 'the Island of Misfit 
Toys' at my house. I have a kidney survivor, a senior, a cripple and a 
diabetic... 

Brynn continues to thrive with his help and guidance, although she really 
misses her Smoosh, as do I.

I wish everyone had a vet like Dr Stan.

Jennifer


On Jul 26, 2014, at 4:02 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 i HAVE HEARD SO MANY STORIES OF VETS DOING THIS.  IT SEEMS THEY DON'T WANT TO 
 BOTHER TREATING POSITIVES.  MAYBE THEY DON'T THINK THE OWNERS WILL WANT TO 
 DEAL WITH THE EXPENSE OR TIME TO TREAT THEM, BUT THAT SHOULD BE LEFT UP TO 
 THE OWNER TO DECIDE, NOT THE VET.  ESPECIALLY, IF PETA IS DOING FREE 
 SPAYS/NEUTERS, DO NOT TAKE YOUR ANIMALS TO THEM.  I KNOW OF ONE INSTANCE 
 WHERE THEY EUTHANIZED THE CATS WITHOUT EVER NOTIFYING THE OWNER.  IT IS 
 STANDARD PROCEEDURE WITH THEM. WHEN I GOT ANNIE, SHE HAD BEEN THROUGH A LOT 
 OF STRESS AND SUDDENLY TESTED POSITIVE .  DR. RHODES SAID I HAD 2 CHOICES:  
 EUTHANIZE OR WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENED.  HE SAID I SHOULD VACCINATE ALL THE 
 OTHERS AS A PRECAUTION.  NO ONE ELSE EVER TESTED POSITIVE AS A RESULT OF 
 BEING AROUND HER.  
 
  Marsha mar...@lynxe.com wrote: 
 Holy crap, not even an IFA confirmation?!  I once took a feral in to be 
 spayed, only to discover in the afternoon they didn't do the surgery 
 when she tested positive, and they couldn't get hold of me for 
 instructions.  Now I make sure to give instructions beforehand - go 
 ahead with the spay or neuter regardless of FeLV / FIV status (though I 
 might hold off if there was a positive on the  heartworm test).
 
 Marsha
 
  On 7/25/2014 12:54 PM, Kelley S wrote:
 The low cost spay clinic I took Merlin to recommended immediate euth 
 for merls, without so much as an IFA.  Of course I said no.  THen I 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Just tested positive

[Jennifer Lewis]

We said goodnight to my heart, my Smoosh about an hour ago. 
She contracted the virus from her feral mom, and came to us at 8 weeks after 
being trapped. We loved her dearly for 13 wonderful months until she left with 
my heart tonight. 


On Jul 24, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Maya D'Alessio wrote:

 I am a microbiologist, so the lack of research really does frustrate me. I 
 was asking the vet if we know if the viral load increases over time like in 
 hiv. He said there was very limited funding for felv research. Very 
 frustrating.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] 2nd holistic vet visit

[Jennifer Lewis]

http://www.amazon.com/Periodontal-Health-Advance-Formula-Softgels/dp/B004BAY9ZW
On Mar 27, 2014, at 3:10 PM, gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:

 Sounds good!  The web shows it's esterified fatty acids, but it's hard to 
 find an understandable definition. How/where can one get it Michelle?  
 
 Gloria
 
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 On Mar 27, 2014, at 4:46 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Esterilized Fatty Acids for oral health seriously helped my FIV+ cat with 
 horrible stomatitis. Was like a miracle. A veterinary dentist put him on it.
 
 Michelle
 
 
 
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 Sent: Wed, Mar 26, 2014 10:20 pm
 Subject: [Felvtalk] 2nd holistic vet visit
 
 Took Merls in today.  Could not afford it but I was really worried about his 
 mouth.  He has nasty lesions but is still eating.  He will be on the feline 
 immune booster as well as a holistic concoction for his mouth. Recheck in 3 
 weeks.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv

[Jennifer Lewis]

That's EXTORTION and PREDATORY
On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

 Good grief!  26% is beyond high.
 
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Kelley wrote:
 
 Just tried and was turned down which is what I figured.  But I did try.  
 Interest is 26% unless you pay it off in 6 months by the way. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:21 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Have you looked into Care Credit? It's very low or no interest and is only 
 for vet and medical expenses. Some vets take it. 
 
 Not that I think a visit to a holistic vet is necessarily necessary. People 
 have had mixed experiences with them. 
 
 I had 6 FeLV+ cats. One, who was also FIV+, lived to about 9 years old. 
 Most of the others lived to about 5. One died at 18 months. You definitely 
 need to take as good care of them as possible, get problems treated 
 quickly, and try to keep their lives stress-free, but beyond that I think, 
 to some extent, that it is a crap shoot.. 
 
 Michelle
 
 
 
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 Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54 pm
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv
 
 I'm actually going to have to cancel their appointment. Can't pay for it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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  My FeLeuk girl sees an integrative vet, who practices both holistic and 
 traditional medicine. She gets bicom treatments
  from her, as well as various holistic medicines. She is stable
  and even gaining weight on this regimen. I think this is
  better care for her than she would get from a traditional
  vet. 
  Just my experience...
  
  Chris C.
  
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  What are your thoughts on this?
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv

[Jennifer Lewis]

Go for it. I've already shared them there and will continue to do so. Where are 
you, Kelley? There may be some additional options for assistance...
On Mar 15, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Gloria B. Lane wrote:

 I think FB page for the kitties is a good idea.
 
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:25 PM, Kelley wrote:
 
 Yes that was just for whoever said the  interest rate was low. It is not.   
 But they do have a 6 month interest free option.  
 
 Thanks to a donation I almost have enough to take one of them to the vet. It 
 is 35 dollars for the holistic vet with a discount on Wednesdays. 
 
 I'm feeling better since I got the donation and am thinking of making a 
 Facebook page for the kitties - what do y'all think?  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Gloria B. Lane gbl...@aristotle.net wrote:
 
 Good grief!  26% is beyond high.
 
 
 On Mar 15, 2014, at 12:47 PM, Kelley wrote:
 
 Just tried and was turned down which is what I figured.  But I did try.  
 Interest is 26% unless you pay it off in 6 months by the way. 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Mar 14, 2014, at 11:21 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:
 
 Have you looked into Care Credit? It's very low or no interest and is 
 only for vet and medical expenses. Some vets take it. 
 
 Not that I think a visit to a holistic vet is necessarily necessary. 
 People have had mixed experiences with them. 
 
 I had 6 FeLV+ cats. One, who was also FIV+, lived to about 9 years old. 
 Most of the others lived to about 5. One died at 18 months. You 
 definitely need to take as good care of them as possible, get problems 
 treated quickly, and try to keep their lives stress-free, but beyond that 
 I think, to some extent, that it is a crap shoot.. 
 
 Michelle
 
 
 
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 To: felvtalk felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Sent: Fri, Mar 14, 2014 11:54 pm
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Holistic vs traditional vets for felv
 
 I'm actually going to have to cancel their appointment. Can't pay for it.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Mar 14, 2014, at 8:48 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:
  
  My FeLeuk girl sees an integrative vet, who practices both holistic and 
 traditional medicine. She gets bicom treatments
  from her, as well as various holistic medicines. She is stable
  and even gaining weight on this regimen. I think this is
  better care for her than she would get from a traditional
  vet. 
  Just my experience...
  
  Chris C.
  
  -Original Message- From: Kelley Sent: Friday, March 14, 2014 
  8:01 PM 
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  What are your thoughts on this?
  
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Re: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of my

[Jennifer Lewis]

So Sorry, but glad for the love you had.

Jen, Brynn and Munch
On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:26 PM, cer...@new.rr.com wrote:

 I’m so sorry.
  
 Chris C.
  
  
 From: Beth
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of my
  
 So sorry! My thoughts are with you  the fur baby.
 
 Beth
 
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 From: czadna sacarawicz czadnasacaraw...@hotmail.com; 
 To: feline leukemia list felvtalk@felineleukemia.org; 
 Subject: [Felvtalk] euthanized Shallie Marie, yesterday the last of my 
 Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2014 7:53:53 PM 
 
 six that tested positive in March 2010.
 Thanks for being with us - - lights in the darkness.  I had suspected she was 
 crashing.  Vets thought it was dental . . .   two weeks later.  will leave it 
 there.  
 Now she joins her intrepid son Isaac, Mama and Luscious, Torie Rose and 
 BreAnne.  
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Prayers needed for Bear

[Jennifer Lewis]

Bear,

You're in my Christmas prayers.

Jen
On Dec 24, 2013, at 4:15 PM, lernermiche...@aol.com wrote:

 Turns out it does not look like FIP, looks like hemolytic anemia, where he is 
 killing off his own red blood cells, and the vet simply did not keep him on a 
 high enough dose of immune-suppressants so he crashed again. Now he is really 
 bad. I don't know what his chances are at this point, but I do not think they 
 are good, though the vets say he can turn around. He just got a transfusion 
 and they are starting him on cyclosporine, a stronger immune suppressant. And 
 doxycycline.
  
 Please send him prayers. He is FIV+, not FeLV+, though he has had as many 
 issues as my FeLV cats did. I got back on this list looking for feline 
 interferon, which I don't need, but one thing I know this list is good for is 
 prayers. Please pray it's a good Christmas for Bear and he responds well to 
 the transfusion and the cyclosporine.
  
 thank you,
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Re: [Felvtalk] Stomatitis

[Jennifer Lewis]

Thanks Lorrie!
On Dec 21, 2013, at 5:05 AM, Lorrie wrote:

 Read below...
 
 
 On 12-20, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 Hi all,
 
 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with
 severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for
 stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
 
 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're
 leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.
 
 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning,
 but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath
 which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.
 
 Please help!
 Jen
 
 Jen, I don't believe stomatitis is only a problem in older cats.
 Some cats that are quite young have it.  I have delt with it and
 it is difficult to deal with.  Vets usually alternate between pred.
 and antibiotics, and in worse case scenario all the cats teeth must
 be removed, which is quite costly.  Howvever since you mention this
 jaw/lymph connection I'd definitely get another opinion. It may not
 be her teeth at all.
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

[Jennifer Lewis]

Thanks!
Jen
On Dec 21, 2013, at 12:03 PM, Margo wrote:

 
 
 Clindrops is likely Clindamycin. It has several trade names, including 
 Antirobe. Also comes in little tiny pills. The liquid tastes foul, but is 
 better cold, s refrigerate it. Try to follow it with something tasty. It is 
 good for mouth issues, as well as abcesses, and some types of pneumonia. One 
 I try to keep on hand.
 
 
 HTH
 
 Margo
 
 
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 To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils
 
 I gave my Pookie Clin Drops (short for clin...something). Very 
 economical. Works well for infections that are in the mouth or tissues. 
 Very economical. I also took him for acupuncture. Carolyn
 
 
 On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:29 AM, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 
 Off topic or a new one.
 My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience 
 with severe mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young 
 for stomatitis, but she's having a horrific time.
 My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, 
 we're leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.
 
 It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when 
 yawning, but it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has 
 awful breath which makes me think as well it may be stomatitis.
 
 Please help!
 Jen
 
 
 On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote:
 
 One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive.
 He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued him.
 
 Lorrie
 
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 only
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Re: [Felvtalk] Uneven pupils

[Jennifer Lewis]

Hi all,

Off topic or a new one.
My poor Bryyn is having an awful time. Does anyone have experience with severe 
mouth pain? I've been told by vets that she's too young for stomatitis, but 
she's having a horrific time. 

My vet prescribed prednisone, but not only does it not seem to help, we're 
leery of it for the long term and honestly can't afford it.

It seemed to be mostly jaw/lymph related as she would freak when yawning, but 
it's getting worse and I'm beside myself. She also has awful breath which makes 
me think as well it may be stomatitis.

Please help!
Jen


On Dec 20, 2013, at 3:42 PM, Lorrie wrote:

 One of my cats has uneven pupils, but he is not FelV positive.
 He was hit on the head by some low life bastard before I rescued him.
 
 Lorrie
 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Best litter for FeLV?

[Jennifer Lewis]

I love World's Best, but can't afford it right now. I'd rather spend $$ on good 
food and care.

For my FELV's I am using unmedicated Laying Hen crumble. Yes, chicken feed. 
Available at any feed store, and these days urban chickens are tres chic so 
it's easy to find.
I got it because one of my girls was only 2 months and we were scared she'd eat 
clay, and we've stuck with it. It's very similar to WB (It's corn), clumps, 
LIGHT, and 50 lbs is around $16 (and that's in LA). Low dust.
OH, and did I mention it is FLUSHABLE?

I wish all the other kids would use it, but my diabetic won't so she will pee 
everywhere, so only the girls get it. That clay s**t is heavy and dusty.

Jen, Brynn and Munch

PS. Brynn has a kitty cold :(
On Nov 13, 2013, at 4:11 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:

 I will still stick with World's Best.  In fact the reason I switched to it is 
 being able to sift out clumps and not the whole box.  I have 5 cats and even 
 in the winter months when they cannot go outside, it lasts a long time.  It 
 is also half the weight of clay.
 
  Lee Evans moonsiste...@yahoo.com wrote: 
 I'm not very enthusiastic about clumping litter. If you use it properly, you 
 have to use the whole darn bag to get it to clump properly and not turn into 
 a cement block because you did not use enough. If you use the whole bag, 
 it's very expensive because when you scoop the clumps, the litter MUST be 
 replaced, again to get it to clump properly and not glue itself to the 
 litter box. If you replace it you spend more money. If you use the generic 
 store brand, you get 40 pound clumps that eventually bond together and need 
 to be disposed of in an industrial waste dump. LOL. Not everything that is 
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Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha

[Jennifer Lewis]

Thanks!

Jen L
On Nov 12, 2013, at 7:58 AM, Shelley Theye wrote:

 Thanks Katherine.  So LTCI is the same thing Lance is referring to as  feline 
 recombinant interferon omega ?
 Shelley
 
 
 On Nov 12, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Katherine K. wrote:
 
 Hi Shelley and Jennifer,
 
 When my 10 yr old cat was first diagnosed in July, I found this forum to be 
 helpful in learning about LTCI: 
 http://910pets.com/forum/topics/feline-leukemia?xg_source=activityid=2127871.
  It's not very active now, but it's a good resource and folks will still 
 respond to you if you post there. 
 
 My cat was running a fever, had gone from 13 lbs to 11.5, wasn't eating and 
 was lethargic when he was first diagnosed. I don't remember his RBC count at 
 the moment. We ordered LTCI for him and gave him 3 injections in the first 
 week, then went to once a week for 2 weeks, then once every 2 weeks for a 
 few weeks, and now he gets it once a month. He has returned to his normal 
 self. He was also on a low dose of prednisone for a month. I don't know 
 which medicine helped pull him out of the woods but I'm glad to keep trying 
 the LTCI if it keeps him healthy. It costs me about $50 per injection though 
 so it's not something I'm financially able to try on my 4 positive kittens.
 
 Katherine
 
 
 On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 8:04 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 Lance,
 Thanks so much for explaining the difference between the 2 interferons.  I 
 did not realize that there were 2 types.  I had asked Leo's new vet about 
 using it as a preventative, and  since she could easily get interferon, now 
 I know that it was  the human one.  Anyway, he is not symptomatic right now, 
 so the only thing I give him occasionally is Lysine.
 Shelley
 
 Shelley Theye
 ve...@bellsouth.net
 
 
 
 On Nov 11, 2013, at 8:50 PM, Lance wrote:
 
 I think the de Mari feline recombinant interferon omega study was done with 
 symptomatic FeLV+ cats. I think. If I already had interferon omega and 
 Ember was symptomatic, I would definitely try it. I know very little about 
 what is suggested with LTCI (symptomatic vs. asymptomatic for treatment). 
 Their website should mention this.
 
 To clarify, there are two types of interferon given for FeLV+ cats: 1) 
 interferon alpha (a product for humans that has anecdotally shown promise, 
 but studies have failed to verify this) and 2) feline recombinant 
 interferon omega (anecdotal evidence AND studies have shown promise).
 
 It’s easy to get #1 from pretty much any vet. They can write a prescription 
 and have it filled by Roadrunner or another pharmacy that does 
 drugs/compounding for pets. It’s also cheap. I think it’s ~$40 for a month 
 and a half supply using the 5 days on/5 days off protocol.
 
 It’s somewhat difficult and expensive to get #2.Your vet has to go through 
 an FDA program that used to be called Compassionate Use. This allows your 
 vet clearance to import feline recombinant interferon omega, which they 
 need, as it’s not sold in the US. There’s paperwork involved, though I 
 don’t think it’s horrible. A dedicated, compassionate vet will do this for 
 you. You then have to pay (through your vet) Abbeyvet In England for the 
 drug and the overnight shipping—overnight from England. When I last priced 
 this, it was ~$1300 for the drug and the shipping. I believe this is for 
 something like 15 doses, but that’s all you give in a year, according to 
 the established protocol. At least with feline recombinant interferon 
 omega, you know you have something that has been proven to work, unlike 
 other drugs I could mention. Will it produce results for a particular FeLV+ 
 cat? Maybe?
 
 If Pookie is doing well, then I agree: don’t rock the boat. You might still 
 look into what it would take to get feline recombinant interferon omega 
 imported. Your vet might never have heard of it, and it might be useful to 
 ask them to look into it. If you decide to do it down the road, you have 
 that much less work to do to get it here.
 
 On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:48 PM, trustinhi...@charter.net wrote:
 
 I took Pookie to the one of four vets in Wisconsin who has done LTCI 
 injections, but Pookie was sick, running a temp, and not eating when he 
 was seen. So he wasn't a candidate for the injection. Do the FELV+ kitties 
 need to be symptom free before they administer this? Also is this the same 
 with the interferon shots? And does anyone know who administers interferon 
 in Wisconsin? My inclination is if it isn't broken don't fix it...If 
 Pookie is doing well, I don't want to mess with him. And he is doing great 
 now since he had acupuncture. Seems so hit or miss with all this??
 
 
 On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Jennifer Lewis wrote:
 
 Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte 
 T-Cell Immunomodulator (LTCI)?
 
 Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn
 
 
 
 On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:
 
 http://goo.gl/uT6Evb
 
 not new to most of us, but always good to see

Re: [Felvtalk] research on feline interferon alpha

[Jennifer Lewis]

Has anyone tried any other the other meds out there, like Lymphocyte T-Cell 
Immunomodulator (LTCI)?

Jennifer L, Munchkin and Brynn



On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:54 PM, MaryChristine wrote:

 http://goo.gl/uT6Evb
 
 not new to most of us, but always good to see things get the official 
 recognition. tho it does end as most research articles do, more research is 
 needed.
 
 MC
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