Re: [Felvtalk] RIP Mary Christine/MC/Tenhousecats

[Marlene Snowman]

Thank you in sharing the news of her passing and honoring the work that she 
did, especially her contributions to assisting our furry friends (and within 
this network). I’m hopeful that she was greeted with many furry friends. 

M

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> On Apr 22, 2021, at 2:41 AM, Kelley S  wrote:
> 
> I just learned of the sad passing of MaryChristine.  She was one of the 
> first and best friends I made on this list.  She was a fierce advocate for 
> FELV cats as well as other special needs cats such as CH kitties.  She loved 
> Calicos and Persians.  She also loved dragons and photography.  During  her 
> later years she suffered from poor health and was not around very much.   She 
> died of Covid in late January.   
> 
> I’m sure there were many happy reunions when she crossed the Bridge.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] vey - NYC

[Marlene Snowman]

Good morning - I’m looking for a vet that is open and great in treating FelV in 
the NYC area. Does anyone have a recommendation? My cat bear aside from being 
FelV doesn’t like people much.

Thanks 

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> On Nov 14, 2019, at 9:12 PM, Sandra Wachtstetter  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Just a bit of info I found on the fipcaregroup.com site that might b helpful 
> for everyone - the recommendation is for using Moducare and NOT Lysine. 
> Just thought I'd pass this on
> Sandy W
>> On November 14, 2019 at 4:52 PM Patricia Oliveira  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Hello! 
>> 
>> Here I am again with another felv kitten rescued. 
>> 
>> Fortunately, this time it's not a sick kitten. We test all rescued kittens 
>> and this one tested positive for felv.  
>> 
>> I was searching archives but i didn´t find anything for asymptomatic 
>> kittens. Do you have any suggestions?
>> 
>> He is about 5 or 6 months, was spayed some weeks ago, his weight is 
>> increasing, good coat, active and playing. He had a scratching neck injury 
>> but is already much better.
>> 
>> Blood work showed eosinophilia (because of neck inflamed skin maybe?), 
>> everything else normal. 
>> 
>> We will test him again in few weeks. Any advice until then?
>> 
>> Thank you very much!
>> 
>> 
>> Patrícia
>> Santos/SP/Brazil
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Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin

[Marlene Snowman]

Thank you, I appreciate this. 

Marlene 

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> On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:48 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> In my world, my perspective is usually, it can’t hurt. I would at least get 
> her on the Doxycycline. It might help with the other problems you are having, 
> or not, but I would probably give it a try if it were me. The only thing to 
> watch with the Doxycycline is that the hard tablets have been known to get 
> stuck in a cat’s throat and cause burning of the eosophagus. I have never had 
> that problem but I have heard others speak of it. If that is a concern and 
> all you can get are hard tablets, rub them in butter before giving them and 
> ensure that the cat is given some yummy canned food afterwards to ensure that 
> the pill goes down properly. Others have mentioned you can get Doxycycline in 
> liquid form as well. I suspect that the problem has been blown out of 
> proportion to the amount of time it actually occurs, and just like what 
> happened with Winstrol and the link between it and liver damage, it has 
> improperly curtailed the use of Doxycycline. I have found Doxycycline (a 
> tetracycline) to have a truly remarkable range of effectiveness, so with any 
> luck, it may address whatever is causing the other nose and eye infections.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Marlene Snowman
> Sent: June-08-18 2:39 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin
>  
> Thank you Amani for all of this. My little girl, Bear has never gotten rid of 
> a nose infection. And about 1.5 months ago developed an eye and more extreme 
> nose infection. The vet prescribed an antibiotic for 7 days and then every 
> week thereafter 2 to 3 days of this same oral antibiotic. 
>  
> The nose infection, clears for a few days and then starts back. She has no 
> issue with appetite or anything else. Unfortunately the vet has never been 
> able to really examine her as she is so angry and wild with other people. 
>  
> That being said, I’m not sure if things are just the way she has always been, 
> with this chronic nose infection that she has never cleared or something else 
> further developing. Either way, thus antibiotic isn’t working on eliminating 
> this issue. And to your point and your experience with Zander, maybe now is 
> the time for me to get this protocol going before something further or a 
> worsening. 
>  
> Thoughts ?
> M
>  
>  
>  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 8, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi Marlene
>  
> I am not sure about a 3 year old. I think if he/she is stable and having no 
> problems, I wouldn’t be too concerned.
>  
> I would be more worried about a kitten, since they have very little reserves. 
> Moreover, generally speaking, FeLV is known to be more problematic for 
> kittens, then it is for older cats. As I have mentioned in other posts, when 
> my cat Zander was diagnosed with FeLV (and he too was a very sickly little 
> kitten when we first got him – worms, leaking nose, runny diarrhea and almost 
> blind with gunk in both eyes), he lived in our house with at least 8 other 
> cats for more than 7 years and no one else got it.
>  
> With Zander, we had an initial episode in June where he got very sick, and 
> his blood counts were terrible, and then he seemed to recover. Getting no 
> advice otherwise from the vets, other than the fact that he was FeLV 
> positive, we were relieved and happy that he seemed to be okay. He wasn’t 
> treated with anything after the first bout of illness. Then it came back with 
> a vengeance in September (with haematocrit at FIVE compared to a normal of 25 
> to 45), and from September and from September to December, we fought to keep 
> him alive, with blood transfusions and trying every option out there – LTCI, 
> interferon, etc. He was also receiving Doxycycline and prednisone at that 
> time. It wasn’t until I added the Winstrol at the end of December, did we get 
> a startling and amazing turn-around, with his red cells and haematocrit 
> finally beginning to climb slowly but steadily out of the terribly low 
> numbers we had been trying to fight with the blood transfusions.
>  
> I always said that if I had to do it again, I would have started treating 
> Zander after that first episode in June, and before he became critically ill, 
> and almost died in September. My research has shown that Doxycycline has the 
> ability to inhibit viral replication and/or the building of the viral coat. I 
> would therefore feel that there is something which may be gained in treating 
> with Doxycycline for a course of treatment, in the hopes that if the virus is 
> there, it is s

Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin

[Marlene Snowman]

, and 
> my ultimate conclusion that deworming should probably be accompanied by oral 
> doxycycline, since the immature roundworm forms are not affected by the 
> medication used to deworm the cats, and then cycle through and become adults 
> (after invading the lungs and heavy coughing allows the immatures to be 
> swallowed and end up in the intestines where they mature). Thus, a course of 
> Doxycycline may also deal with this other issue at the same time.
>  
> Whew.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Marlene Snowman
> Sent: June-08-18 12:41 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin
>  
> Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 
> year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms 
> showed. I didn’t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should 
> also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should 
> I be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going 
> to the winstrol at a later date?
>  
> Any advice is appreciated
>  
> Marlene 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi JoAnne
>  
> If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might 
> transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake.
>  
> My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of 
> Doxycycline. I don’t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would 
> be 25 mg daily. I don’t think you need to start right away – give him some 
> time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc.
>  
> You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to 
> prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of 
> Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I 
> recommend, and had a very good response from, is:
>  
> Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day
>  
> Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day
>  
> Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day
>  
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> JoAnne Kraun
> Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin
>  
> I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online.  He was born on 
> March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him.  He was covered in 
> fleas so I took him straight to the vet.  They said he also had tapeworms.  
> He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of 
> vaccines.  His weight was 2.1 lbs.  They tested him for FIV and FeLV.  About 
> 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive 
> for FeLV, a faint positive.  I have been doing a lot of research and I have 
> been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting 
> and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a 
> faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now.  He 
> eats a lot.  I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and 
> Wellness Core canned food.  He seems to be gaining weight.  He looks good and 
> he is a very active and vocal kitten.  He is very affectionate and loves my 
> Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at 
> night.
>  
> Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online 
> indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before 
> he starts to get sick.  I have never had a cat with this disease.   
> Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to  
> clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky.
>  
> I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, 
> before he starts to get sick.  Regardless of how long I have him, he will be 
> loved and cared for.  He is already very spoiled.   I just can't even picture 
> this little guy being sick.  He is such a good little cat.  I call him Q.  
>  
> I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago.  I 
> haven't had a kitten for 17 years.  I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult 
> cat may be too stressed around my big dogs.  The Cavalier is fine, but I also 
> have 2 Akitas.  My other cat was fine with the Akitas.  She was not afraid of 
> them at all.  Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them 
> give him kisses.  I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around 
> because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play 
> with Q.  The Akitas are 

Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin

[Marlene Snowman]

Amani, in reading this I now realize that I may not be doing enough for my 3 
year old. I had understood that this protocol was for when signs/symptoms 
showed. I didn’t realize otherwise. From reading your post to JoAnne I should 
also be getting my vet to prescribe now the doxy ? My cat is 6.2 lbs. should I 
be combining that with some other parts of this protocol now and only going to 
the winstrol at a later date?

Any advice is appreciated

Marlene 

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> On Jun 8, 2018, at 1:21 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Hi JoAnne
>  
> If this was my kitten, I would not want to just wait it out to see what might 
> transpire. I did that with my kitten, and it was a mistake.
>  
> My suggestion is that you start him on a long course (6 weeks) of 
> Doxycycline. I don’t know the dosing for such a small kitten. My guess would 
> be 25 mg daily. I don’t think you need to start right away – give him some 
> time to eat, bulk, recover from the other things like worms, etc.
>  
> You might also want to start now finding out if your vet will agree to 
> prescribe Winstrol if worst comes to worst. Not all vets have heard of 
> Winstrol (Stanazalol) or are willing to obtain it. The combination I 
> recommend, and had a very good response from, is:
>  
> Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day
>  
> Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day
>  
> Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day
>  
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> JoAnne Kraun
> Sent: June-07-18 8:22 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] Quentin
>  
> I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online.  He was born on 
> March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him.  He was covered in 
> fleas so I took him straight to the vet.  They said he also had tapeworms.  
> He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of 
> vaccines.  His weight was 2.1 lbs.  They tested him for FIV and FeLV.  About 
> 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive 
> for FeLV, a faint positive.  I have been doing a lot of research and I have 
> been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting 
> and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a 
> faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now.  He 
> eats a lot.  I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and 
> Wellness Core canned food.  He seems to be gaining weight.  He looks good and 
> he is a very active and vocal kitten.  He is very affectionate and loves my 
> Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at 
> night.
>  
> Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online 
> indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before 
> he starts to get sick.  I have never had a cat with this disease.   
> Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to  
> clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky.
>  
> I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, 
> before he starts to get sick.  Regardless of how long I have him, he will be 
> loved and cared for.  He is already very spoiled.   I just can't even picture 
> this little guy being sick.  He is such a good little cat.  I call him Q.  
>  
> I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago.  I 
> haven't had a kitten for 17 years.  I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult 
> cat may be too stressed around my big dogs.  The Cavalier is fine, but I also 
> have 2 Akitas.  My other cat was fine with the Akitas.  She was not afraid of 
> them at all.  Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them 
> give him kisses.  I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around 
> because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play 
> with Q.  The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily.  Q seems 
> to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he 
> is around us.   
>  
> What can I expect?  Will he start getting sick in a few months?  Do they just 
> quit eating or what happens?   I would like to think that Q will be one of 
> the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be 
> realistic.  I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have 
> with us.
>  
>  
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Quentin

[Marlene Snowman]

Hi JoAnne, I have a FelV who is 3, who came to me at a month old and tested 
positive immediately. At that time she had infections and fleas as she was 
living outdoors alone. The vet recommended euthanasia, I didn’t agree. All her 
issues were cleared, except the FelV, although I had her tested and was hopeful 
a second time. 

I have had the vet run complete blood work to ensure a known base line. Feed 
her well and this vet has added wei qi with booster for her immune system and 
we have also used Chinese herbs previously too and Enisyl-F. I have a second 
adult cat who I test annually who is also given a vaccine against this. 

I am hopeful that my 3 year old will not develop the illnesses but at this time 
have not been reacting other than boosting her immune system. 

Others on line have much more experience than me and I’m sure will add more 
info. Despite the illness and what may come, these are wonderful fur babies 
whose life may be cut shorter yet quality and love is yours. 

Good luck, and don’t be afraid to give this little kitten the best life 
possible. Who knows what the future will hold

M

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> On Jun 7, 2018, at 9:21 PM, JoAnne Kraun  wrote:
> 
> I recently adopted a kitten from a rehoming site online.  He was born on 
> March 20, he was a little over 8 weeks when I got him.  He was covered in 
> fleas so I took him straight to the vet.  They said he also had tapeworms.  
> He was treated for fleas and tapeworms and received his first series of 
> vaccines.  His weight was 2.1 lbs.  They tested him for FIV and FeLV.  About 
> 10 minutes after I got home, they called me and told me he tested positive 
> for FeLV, a faint positive.  I have been doing a lot of research and I have 
> been told that a faint positive could just mean that the disease is starting 
> and he will have a normal positive next time he is tested, and also that a 
> faint positive is the same as a regular positive. He is not sick now.  He 
> eats a lot.  I have been feeding him Orijen dry food and both Weruva and 
> Wellness Core canned food.  He seems to be gaining weight.  He looks good and 
> he is a very active and vocal kitten.  He is very affectionate and loves my 
> Cavalier Spaniel, who he likes to snuggle with after he wears himself at 
> night.
> 
> Because he was so young when he was diagnosed, everything I have read online 
> indicates that he will probably only live for a few months to a year before 
> he starts to get sick.  I have never had a cat with this disease.   
> Everything I find online indicates that most kittens will not be able to  
> clear the virus and will live 2-3 years if we are lucky.
> 
> I am wondering if there are some supplements I can get him started on now, 
> before he starts to get sick.  Regardless of how long I have him, he will be 
> loved and cared for.  He is already very spoiled.   I just can't even picture 
> this little guy being sick.  He is such a good little cat.  I call him Q.  
> 
> I just lost my 17 year old Himalayan Persian to cancer a few months ago.  I 
> haven't had a kitten for 17 years.  I have 3 dogs and thought that an adult 
> cat may be too stressed around my big dogs.  The Cavalier is fine, but I also 
> have 2 Akitas.  My other cat was fine with the Akitas.  She was not afraid of 
> them at all.  Q does not seem to be afraid of them, either, and he lets them 
> give him kisses.  I do separate Q from the Akitas when I am not around 
> because one of the is very playful and I am afraid that she would try to play 
> with Q.  The Akitas are over 100 lbs so he could get hurt so easily.  Q seems 
> to be a very laid back kitten, he does not scare easily and purrs whenever he 
> is around us.
> 
> What can I expect?  Will he start getting sick in a few months?  Do they just 
> quit eating or what happens?   I would like to think that Q will be one of 
> the lucky ones that lives for over 10 years, but I know I need to be 
> realistic.  I just want him to have the best quality of life that he can have 
> with us.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . .

[Marlene Snowman]

Ken, I am so very sorry for your loss. Zorro was lucky to have found you to 
love him for your year or so. I’m sure he came into your life for a very good 
reason. 

I am fortunate to still have my Bear for now two years, despite her starting 
off with many ailments plus FeLV having the vet immediately suggest euthanize 
as the only option. I was pleasantly surprised to see her put on a little more 
weight and reach 7 pounds this week. 

I am grateful for all the lovely souls who see other options, despite financial 
and great emotional toll in loving these wonderful fur babies. 

Marlene 

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> On Oct 17, 2017, at 12:29 AM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Ken,
> 
> I am very sad to hear about your loss of Zorro. FeLV is a terrible disease 
> that robs us of our beautiful furbabies, far far too soon. I am thrilled, 
> though, that there are people like you out there who care and take the 
> necessary steps to make little lives worth living, and lets these little 
> babies know what love is, on their time on earth.
> 
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> kresch...@mchsi.com
> Sent: October-16-17 11:24 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: [Felvtalk] He went on his own time. . .
> 
> Good Evening to all who just responded to Robert's "Anyone still there" 
> email. This is my first post and I stumbled upon this site in my frantic 
> effort to get info on FelV. Our tuxedo, Zorro, was with us barely a year when 
> FelV took him in less than two weeks. I first saw him among the weeds and 
> shrubs of my lower garden as he darted about, perhaps pursuing a field mouse. 
> Over the next few weeks  I steadily coaxed him closer to the house with food, 
> water and my appearances. Eventually he was on the back porch daily meowing 
> for breakfast and our Teddy Bear dog, Oliver, watched Zorro eat from the 
> other side of the screen door. By late September Zorro was eating in the 
> house, finding the litter box and purring so loudly he could be heard from 
> ten feet away. 
> 
> Zorro was neutered, vaccinated and checked over and quickly became the 
> kindest, most lovable cat I've ever had and at 70 I've had a few! We all 
> spent a wonderful year plus together and Oliver became so accepting of Zorro 
> that he allowed himself to be groomed my him. All this came crashing down six 
> weeks ago. Zorro slept more, did not jump into bed with me and though he ate, 
> he ate in little spurts. We took him in, tried some antibiotics first since 
> he had a fever but nothing changed. Then the blood tests; then the 
> devastating news: FeLV. The Vet suggested we consider putting Zorro down 
> since it was incurable. I said Zorro will decide that action. For the next 
> ten days we bought time with Zorro using a coticosteroid via pills. But the 
> inevitable came suddenly three Monday evenings back. Zorro was slowly walking 
> and then just laid down. His breathing became labored and I lay down next to 
> him whispering in his ears and stroking his side. I told him to go, he'd done 
> it on his terms and w
>   ithing five minutes he was still. 
> 
> We've buried him with his bed and special blanket to cover him and keep the 
> soil off. He's now beneath a tree near where I first saw him.
> 
> Ken Resch
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Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..

[Marlene Snowman]

My vet believes so although has made it clear that no vaccine is 100 percent 
effective and that an older cat with an established immune system has more 
chances. Who really knows

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> On Jul 24, 2017, at 10:03 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
> <sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
> 
> So you believe the vaccine does work then?  I thought about getting it for 
> all 13 indoors but I want to still keep the FIV and FELV separated.  Thanks 
> for the info 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Marlene Snowman
> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2017 8:59 AM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..
> 
> I have a Felv 2 year old who I did introduce to my 7 year old non.  The 7 
> year old has been vaccinated and retested over the 2 years and remains 
> negative. The Felv has no visual signs of illness.  I maintain separate 
> litter boxes that get cleaned daily and separate dishes that are also cleaned 
> daily. They are not affectionate with one another or groom each other, 
> although they do play together. It warms my heart to think that the 2 year 
> old is getting quality of life despite the illness. As my vet said, you have 
> 2 cats and need this to work for them and my husband and I.  So far I've been 
> lucky and I am grateful that this is going well for them. Knowing what I now 
> know, I'm not sure I would make the same decision if one would have been 
> sicker at the onset.
> 
> My experience and these 2 may just be lucky so far.wresting with the 
> decision to introduce or not is a tough one. 
> 
> M
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 24, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
>> <sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
>> 
>> I heard the leukemia  vaccine carries a high risk of cancer.  Does anyone 
>> have their FELV cat around non-felv cats?  I thought about letting Skylar 
>> out only while I am home and see how it goes with the regular cats.  But I 
>> have a FIV cat in the mix of the other cats and not sure if they would pass 
>> germs and cause more harm.  My Felv has no signs of illness since he was 
>> moved him indoor.I don't think he can be near the FIV cat.  Thanks for 
>> any info 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>> Of ROBERT CHAPEL
>> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM
>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..
>> 
>> Hi Sheila...
>> Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses) 
>> that is a lot of cats to look after
>> and the expense could get rather overwhelming. are some of them 
>> fosters???
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
>> 
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>> wrote:
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
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>>> 
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:38:42 -0400
>>> From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
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>>> 
>>> I understand Sheila! I have my first too, actually Mom and her 
>>> kittens. One kitten passed away.and the other is 15 months old. Plus 
>>> I took another
>>> FeLv+ cat from out shelter. I will probably end up adopting her too
>>> :).
>>> On Jul 21, 2017 8:34 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" < 
>>> sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> No, he said it was 

Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..

[Marlene Snowman]

I have a Felv 2 year old who I did introduce to my 7 year old non.  The 7 year 
old has been vaccinated and retested over the 2 years and remains negative. The 
Felv has no visual signs of illness.  I maintain separate litter boxes that get 
cleaned daily and separate dishes that are also cleaned daily. They are not 
affectionate with one another or groom each other, although they do play 
together. It warms my heart to think that the 2 year old is getting quality of 
life despite the illness. As my vet said, you have 2 cats and need this to work 
for them and my husband and I.  So far I've been lucky and I am grateful that 
this is going well for them. Knowing what I now know, I'm not sure I would make 
the same decision if one would have been sicker at the onset.

My experience and these 2 may just be lucky so far.wresting with the 
decision to introduce or not is a tough one. 

M

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> On Jul 24, 2017, at 9:12 AM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
>  wrote:
> 
> I heard the leukemia  vaccine carries a high risk of cancer.  Does anyone 
> have their FELV cat around non-felv cats?  I thought about letting Skylar out 
> only while I am home and see how it goes with the regular cats.  But I have a 
> FIV cat in the mix of the other cats and not sure if they would pass germs 
> and cause more harm.  My Felv has no signs of illness since he was moved him 
> indoor.I don't think he can be near the FIV cat.  Thanks for any info 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Friday, July 21, 2017 3:52 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] 28 Cats..
> 
> Hi Sheila...
> Wonder if you have anyone helping you with Cat Care ( or expenses) 
> that is a lot of cats to look after
> and the expense could get rather overwhelming. are some of them fosters???
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
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> wrote:
> 
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>> 
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>> 
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 21 Jul 2017 09:38:42 -0400
>> From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
>> Message-ID:
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>> 
>> I understand Sheila! I have my first too, actually Mom and her 
>> kittens. One kitten passed away.and the other is 15 months old. Plus I 
>> took another
>> FeLv+ cat from out shelter. I will probably end up adopting her too
>> :).
>> On Jul 21, 2017 8:34 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" < 
>> sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
>> 
>>> No, he said it was no big deal at all.  I just worry.  This is my 
>>> first FELV cat.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> *From:* Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] *On 
>>> Behalf
>>> Of *Pam Doore
>>> *Sent:* Friday, July 21, 2017 8:21 AM
>>> *To:* felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sheila did your vet seem concerned about the higher cholesterol?
>>> 
>>> On Jul 21, 2017 7:44 AM, "Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium" <
>>> sheila.armstrong-br...@ssa.gov> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It was part of a blood panel I had done on him.  I get bloodwork 
>>> every 6
>>> months and I thought it was odd too.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
>>> Of
>>> dlg...@windstream.net
>>> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2017 6:57 PM
>>> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
>>> 
>>> I have never had anyone tell me my cats needed cholesterol tested.
>>> i was beginning to wonder if the list was still there, had not heard
>>> anything.
>>> 
>>>  Amani Oakley  wrote:
 It if were me, I would ignore the cholesterol. It is nonsensical in 
 cats
>>> (and being called into question in humans too).
 
 Amani
 
 From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On 
 Behalf
 Of Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium
 Sent: July-20-17 10:37 AM
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 Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Checking in.
 
 My son Skylar is doing well and his 6 month bloodwork 

Re: [Felvtalk] Letting go of Mo

[Marlene Snowman]

Thoughts are with you and Mo

M

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> On Apr 11, 2017, at 8:26 AM, Sheri Burbridge  wrote:
> 
> Mo's appetite hasn't improved and this morning I found him in my daughter's 
> room laying in a puddle of his own urine. I gave him his buprenorphine but I 
> am done forcing meds on this angel beyond comfort care.
> 
> We were going to see the vet today for bloodwork, but I don't really see the 
> point now. Perhaps if we had tried these meds when he first started slipping 
> it would have helped him. At least I am armed with this knowledge for Violet.
> 
> My heart is breaking. This is all so unfair. 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Losing patience

[Marlene Snowman]

Are you suggesting giving the vaccine to a cat (in my case 1.5) that has tested 
positive but no outward signs of the virus ?  I too haven't spayed her as my 
vet suggests that every cat she has spayed/neutered that was positive died 
within a week. I made the decision based on that to not spay so as not risk 
that. The vet has also recommended no vaccines as they are live virus and 
because of the positive testing recommended not providing any of those. 

Marlene 

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> On Mar 2, 2017, at 1:40 PM, dlg...@windstream.net wrote:
> 
> The first thing I do when a new cat comes to me is spay or neuter, especially 
> a male, makes him less agressive and cuts down on spraying.  If he does spry, 
> Jackson Galaxy has a product that really works!  I use it for urine, vomit 
> and it really newutralizews the odor.  First though, I do not want to be 
> responsible for unwanted kittens so I spay/neuter.  At first, for a few 
> years, everyone else gets vaccine for FELV.  Especially after the cat is at 
> least 4 or 5 years, they do not seem to pass it on to others.  I have had as 
> many as 10 cats in the house and no transmission of the disease.  Maybe I 
> have been lucky.  Annie still shows positive, but she is 9 years and no one 
> else has become positive.
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] age

[Marlene Snowman]

Hi Sheila, my little Bear is 1.5 years old and I've had her since she was a 
little more than 1 month old. She was very ill and tested positive from entry 
into my life. She appears healthy with good appetite with the exception of a 
nasal infection that the vet has been unable to remedy. 

I have no other personal experience with Felv although I have work colleagues 
who have cats that are 6 years old and appearing healthy. 

I'm hoping that all our fur babies have longevity and a quality of life too. 

Marlene 

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> On Feb 8, 2017, at 4:22 PM, Armstrong-Brown, Sheila DDS Timonium 
>  wrote:
> 
> I am learning a lot about FELV cats since I found my Skylar.  Just wondering 
> about how old is the oldest cat that lived with it.  I had the IFA test done 
> and that is positive also even though he is perfectly healthy at the moment.  
> He will be 2 years old this month, I found him a year ago. 
>  
>
>  
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Re: [Felvtalk] Yogi's Passing

[Marlene Snowman]

So sorry for your loss Bob. I've followed your messages with hope and 
admiration for your efforts. Not everyone has such a big heart to love 
unconditionally, and you have been an inspiration. Take care. 

Marlene 

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> On Jan 30, 2017, at 8:31 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> 
> Over the months some of you might recall my little guy Yogi for whom I had 
> asked advice ( mostly about his eyes) on several occassions and most recently 
> for suggestions related to making money to be able to keep treating him..
> Well my little Yogi passed away in my arms on Sunday morningHe had 
> started to go downhill a few weeks ago when his HCT dropped over a few weeks 
> to 14   I did manage to get my hands on some Winstrol thanks to the 
> efforts of others on this forum to whom I am eternally grateful but he faded 
> too fast for it to have adequate effect ( or he simply was not one of the 
> cats that was going to respond to it)
> He got to pass peacefully at home on the bed that he knew so well and with 
> the hand of the guy that loved him and worked to keep him alive all these 
> months stroking him..  I had actually made arrangements to put him down later 
> that day after seeing the condition he was in that morning.  I'm SO glad I 
> didn't have to keep that appointment.
> It's been a tough go...   The little guy never really knew more than a few 
> months of health.
> There was , honestly, nothing really remarkable about him ...just a ratty 
> little skinny thing with one clouded over eye but he was a sweet gentle 
> little soul that never so much as  attempted to scratch me despite all the 
> things I had to put him through to keep him alive There was almost 
> nothing left of him at the end ( started with him at 6 months old and 7.5 lbs 
> and progressively over a year lost 3 lbs ( about 40% of his body weight .  I 
> probably would have put him down on at least 3 occassions if it wasn't for 
> all the good advice and suggestions I got from all of you that helped me 
> press on .
> So now I go from hurting every day watching him go downhill to the one big 
> hurt of losing him  it will pass in a bit of time( though certainly not 
> today!) and it gives me the opportunity to give a home to another FeLV Cat 
> that would have spent it's life in a cage.. and to give a playmate to my 
> still healthy guy who is still very much a Kitten in his actions and DYING to 
> have someone to play with...this time I will FOSTER so that I don't go broke 
> with cat care if the next little guy/girl starts to go south well ahead of 
> time...
> Thanks to  all of you for being there for FeLV cats...  You all are the one 
> bit of luck the kitties who have come under your care have had
> 
> Bob
> Warwick NY
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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Marlene Snowman]

Thank you, really appreciate this information. 

M

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> On Jan 27, 2017, at 7:40 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> I think it depends on the lab results. If the haematology values are within 
> normal ranges (especially haematocrit, red cells, platelets and reticulocyte 
> counts) I don’t think you need the Winstrol. What I might consider though is 
> putting him on the Doxycycline, which I believe may slow down or interfere 
> with the reproduction of the virus. I would be interested to see what the 
> neutrophil/lymphocyte levels look like. You often see a reversal of the ratio 
> (with lymphocytes rising) and/or abnormal lymphocytes developing, and this is 
> also from the effects of the virus. The Doxycycline MIGHT help.
>  
> I should also point out that Winstrol used to be given to increase a cat’s 
> appetite, strength, weight, and muscle mass. I believe it also acts 
> positively on the bone marrow as per my experience and the scientific study I 
> recently quoted, showing a positive improvement for people with osteoporosis, 
> who were put on Winstrol. Thus, it wouldn’t be the worst thing to do, to have 
> a 3-4 week course on the Winstrol for a cat. It may help fortify the bone 
> marrow, and the cat’s strength generally.
>  
> Amani
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> Marlene Snowman
> Sent: January-27-17 6:20 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV
>  
> Would you consider using this for a cat (1.7 years old) that is Positive but 
> no showing any signs of the illness (yet) ?
>  
> M
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 27, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Amani Oakley <aoak...@oakleylegal.com> wrote:
> 
> Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day
>  
> Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day
>  
> Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day
>  
>  
>  
>  
> If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow 
> moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of 
> the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
> apometocloprimide.
>  
> If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
> consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
> kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely 
> increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might 
> also increase the liver enzymes faster.
>  
>  
> Hope this helps!
>  
> Amani
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
> Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV
>  
> Amani,
> 
> Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they 
> must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary
> 
>  
> On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:
> Hi Sherri
>  
> I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
> that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back 
> into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to 
> interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, 
> though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. 
> But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the 
> Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it 
> from rising.
>  
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV

[Marlene Snowman]

Would you consider using this for a cat (1.7 years old) that is Positive but no 
showing any signs of the illness (yet) ?

M

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> On Jan 27, 2017, at 6:04 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:
> 
> Winstrol – 1 mg twice a day
>  
> Doxycycline – 1/5 to ¼ tablet (100 mg) twice a day
>  
> Prednisolone – ½ 5 mg tablet, twice a day
>  
>  
>  
>  
> If there are problems with the intestines (vomiting, constipation, slow 
> moving stools, stools of large diameters, all of which might be indicative of 
> the effect of the virus on the intestines) you can try adding ¼ tablet of 
> apometocloprimide.
>  
> If the haematocrit level is REALLY REALLY low – like below 5-8, you might 
> consider starting the Winstrol at 2 mg twice a day for a week, to try and 
> kickstart things quickly, but given that there is going to be a likely 
> increase in liver enzymes with the use of Winstrol, recognize that this might 
> also increase the liver enzymes faster.
>  
>  
> Hope this helps!
>  
> Amani
>  
>  
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of gary
> Sent: January-27-17 4:04 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] My baby recently diagnosed with FeLV
>  
> Amani,
> 
> Could you please give the dosages used for Zander's Protocol? I know they 
> must have been previously given, but I cannot seem to find them.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Gary
> 
>  
> On 9/16/2016 8:52 AM, Amani Oakley wrote:
> Hi Sherri
>  
> I hope you got some good news today. However, as you know, my experience is 
> that the Winstrol needs to be used long term before the red cells are back 
> into the normal range. I continue to recommend use of the Doxycyline to 
> interfere with viral RNA synthesis. The Winstrol does not attack the virus, 
> though I believe it makes the cat stronger overall and able to fight back. 
> But at the outset of the treatment regime, I believe you must have the 
> Doxycycline on board to try and reduce the viral load, or at least, keep it 
> from rising.
>  
> Amani
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Lost Hodor

[Marlene Snowman]

Sorry to hear of your loss. I hope you find peace in knowing that your love 
gave him quality of life that he would not have had without you. 

M

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> On Oct 8, 2016, at 2:03 PM, Liz McCarty  wrote:
> 
> We lost Hodor yesterday. It was extremely hard. He stopped eating and 
> drinking. The vet had a hard time finding a vein for the catheter because of 
> his anemia. It was so sad. Thank you all for your kind words and support. I 
> wish that the vets could have done more to help him. FeLV sucks.
> 
> Elizabeth McCarty, ASW #36438
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[Felvtalk] Question

[Marlene Snowman]

Hi - I've been reading posts for a bit and decided I needed some advice too. I 
have a FelV kitten who is 1 year old. I've had her since she was just a little 
more than a month old. She tested positive twice and the vet has yet been able 
to physically examine her or get a blood test since. She isn't feral but her 
dislike of the vet and people is probably her strength and fight to stay alive. 
I feed her really good kitten food and mixed with astragalus and ligustrum 
twice daily and l-lysine. She's also been on antibiotics for a nose and eye 
infection, not to mention the fleas, ear mites, tongue ulcers and lacerations 
on her legs when I first rescued her but she hasn't been on antibiotics for 4 
months at least. (So antibiotics for most of her life). She's gone from a pound 
to 7.2 lbs. So I've seen a great improvement. The nose infection has never 
cleared, so boogers are a constant, although more a yellow to clear than the 
original greenish mucous. 

I recognize that I need to get her in for a complete blood work. She eats well, 
drinks a lot and other than the boogers, seems healthy. 

Would you suggest anything now other than the blood work for my girl Bear ? 

Thanks 
Marlene 

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