Re: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT - reposting as other email too long

[gidget43]

I very seldom post here, but your baby is very anemic.  HCT 14% and if it 
continues to drop will need a transfusion.  Many here at one time suggested 
Winstrol for anemia.  
https://www.rxlist.com/winstrol-side-effects-drug-center.htm    I am sure 
others will chime in here, but this was said to work.  
https://gainsmadness.com/what-is-winstrol-cycle/



-Original Message-
From: Wendy 
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Sent: Thu, Sep 19, 2019 10:08 am
Subject: [Felvtalk] PLEASE HELP ASAP - VERY SICK FELV CAT - reposting as other 
email too long

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cat approximately 1 and ½ years old has gotten very sick suddenly.  He is a 
house cat, and he was neutered in May of 2019.  Would you please let us know 
what we can do to help our much-loved cat?  A few days ago, he became lethargic 
and lost interest in eating.  We had his blood drawn yesterday and he had iv 
fluids yesterday, and today we were told he needed a blood transfusion (or two) 
and more iv fluids, and then a bone marrow test tomorrow.  We were told that 
the first blood transfusion today was not very effective because he got so many 
iv fluids at the same time, so now they are going to give him another 
transfusion.  As background, we rescued him as a stray from Barbados in October 
2018 when he was about 6 months old, and he has been healthy, active, happy and 
gaining weight, despite being FELV positive.  Since October 2018, we cured him 
of giardia and bartonella henselae.  On 12/31/2018, he tested positive for the 
ELISA and IFA, although his blood work was in normal ranges at that time.  In 
03/2019, we started giving him 1 t-cyte shot once per month, and we started 
giving him 1ml of interferon per days for 7 days on and then 7 days off, 
repeated.  We have continued the interferon and t-cyte in this manner ever 
since 03/2019.  Just yesterday, here are the results of his blood work that are 
not in normal range: AST (SGOT) 106 Glucose 178 CPK 711 WBC 20.5 RBC 2.5 HGB 
4.5 HCT 14 NRBC 9 Platelet Count 78 Neutrophils 1640 Lymphocytes 17630 
Monocytes 1025 Basophils 205 Protein 2+ Reticulocyte 0.6 and 15000 Would you 
please let us know what we can do to help our cat? Thank you, Wendy 
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Re: [Felvtalk] QUESTION

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Thank you for replying.  I will continue to keep a very close watch on her.
Nancy


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Hi Nancy    She could definitely be a carrier. I wouldn’t be concerned as long 
as her blood work is okay. Keep a close eye on her gums, inside of the ears, 
and pads to watch for any paleness which might signify anemia.    I don’t think 
she NEEDS any help right now, but you might consider trying her on a long 
course of Doxycycline to see if maybe you can eliminate the virus. I have no 
idea if it would work, but in the three-pronged treatment I recommend, I 
believe that Doxycycline is blocking viral replication of the FeLV virus. If 
your vet is willing, you could try the Doxycycline – I would think at least 6 
weeks – and then wait a while and test her again for FeLV. If you give it a 
shot and it works, let the rest of us know.    Amani    From: Felvtalk 
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Subject: [Felvtalk] QUESTION    Hello,  My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV 
for 3 years.  We took in a kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it.  The 
two were together after that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was 
false.  The kitten was actually a positive.  When I tested my other girl, she 
also had it.  Kitten has since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my 
other girl is still going strong.  I had her retested yesterday because you 
would just never know she has it.  It was still positive.  Could she be a 
carrier?  The vet was very pleased with the blood work as it was perfect.  He 
thought she may be a carrier.  Wanted to have your thoughts.  Although she is 
doing so well, should I be giving her something to help her?  Maybe to keep the 
immune system strong?  Thank you.      Nancy 
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[Felvtalk] QUESTION

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Hello,  My girl is 4 years old and has had FeLV for 3 years.  We took in a 
kitten 3 years ago who tested negative for it.  The two were together after 
that and 6 months later, I found out the negative was false.  The kitten was 
actually a positive.  When I tested my other girl, she also had it.  Kitten has 
since passed after 3 years of living with it, but my other girl is still going 
strong.  I had her retested yesterday because you would just never know she has 
it.  It was still positive.  Could she be a carrier?  The vet was very pleased 
with the blood work as it was perfect.  He thought she may be a carrier.  
Wanted to have your thoughts.  Although she is doing so well, should I be 
giving her something to help her?  Maybe to keep the immune system strong?  
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[Felvtalk] Omega 3s

[gidget43]

I'm sure this won't be allowed, but I must try anyways as I cannot express how 
important it is to put your cats on an omega 3 supplement.  Moxxor is 100% 
pure.  Green-lip mussel oil, grapeseed oil and kiwifruitseed oil.  No 
preservatives, pesticides, GMOs, Mercury, PCBs, or excipients of any kind.  My 
two FeLV cats are on Moxxor and knock on wood have been doing well.  They also 
take the Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno.  All natural.  For Moxxor, 
please please come join my FB page at 
https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/to learn more about this.  I 
swear by it for both me and for my two girls. 


Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope

[gidget43]

Terri,  I saw this post and am praying for your little Michael!  Can they start 
him on Aranesp (darbepoetin) or Epogen, or even Winstrol (which I think has 
been mentioned here before?).  I know with Aranesp, you give the shot 1 time a 
week and when it is within normal range, begin to space out the injections to 
find the right dose to  hold it in that normal range.  Epogen is given 3 times 
a week and when in normal range, one dosage is skipped and they search for that 
perfect dosage.  


Could you get a copy of that most recent blood work as I can read blood work 
and am wondering if anything else is off. IF so, once it is treated, things may 
go back into place with other levels.  This is what happened to my baby Kit.  I 
immediately put her on Rx Vitamins for Pets ~ Liquid Immuno.  Also she was put 
on antibiotics for fever and infection.  I really would like to see the blood 
work.  If you want, you can send to me privately at gidge...@aol.com


Nancy



-Original Message-
From: Terri 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 6:52 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] Michael's last hope



Hi everyone.
 
My little boy Michael is 3 and was diagnosed just over a week ago. I noticed he 
had lost weight and wasn’t quite himself but nothing major, or so I thought. I 
got him as a stray kitten, had him tested – he was negative for felv, and 
vaccinated him every year.
 
On Fri 30 Dec I took him to the vet, she did blood tests to check what could be 
wrong with him and told me that when he came up positive she didn’t do any 
further tests. She said he was anemic and prescribed cortisone every day and 
vitamin B shots every week for 4 weeks. I asked what his lifespan would be and 
she told me not very long and that there was nothing else we could do except a 
blood transfusion at some stage.
 
After coming home from a new years eve party I found him limping and he would 
not stop moaning, I gave him an anti inflammatory that he had been given for a 
previous leg injury hoping it would help until morning when a vet opened. It 
helped his leg but he started moaning again 2 hours later. I finally found a 
vet that could help on new years day. I told the vet about his history and what 
had happened earlier that morning, by this time his leg was fine so the vet 
gave him a strong pain killer thinking he was moaning in pain and told me to 
bring him back later if it didn’t help. I took him back where a different vet 
saw him, he did blood tests and the results were terrible, he also felt that he 
had some sort of neurological issue so he had to be admitted to hospital. His 
platelet and red blood cell count was extremely low and he was not responding 
to treatment, I made the decision for him to have a blood transfusion which he 
received on 3 Jan Tuesday evening. I fetched him on Wednesday and had him 
tested again on the Friday, his results were still better but there was no sign 
of his body regenerating. On the weekend he just seemed to improve so much, is 
appetite was back and he had interest in playing like his old self again, but 
Monday’s results did not reflect his behavior. His body was not regenerating 
and his counts had dropped slightly.
 
My next step is blood tests and decisions on Friday. I am devastated and don’t 
know if there is anything else that we can do. If anyone can give any advice or 
suggestions I would really appreciate it. At the moment he is on Baytril and a 
nutritional tonic.
 
Kind regards,
Terri Knight
 
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[Felvtalk] Inflam mation

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Hello everyone,  


I have two FeLV cats.  One is 2 years old and the other is 10 months.  I'm not 
sure if any 
of you give an omega 3 supplement.  Both my girls are on this and have been for 
quite
some time.  Knock on wood, they have both been in remission since November.  I 
do 
sell an omega 3 supplement called Moxxor, and I use it faithfully for them and 
for myself.
I think it has made a huge difference for them because Moxxor's #1 priority is 
to fight
any type of inflammation.  It is an all natural product containing just three 
simple
ingredients.  Green-Lipped Mussel (60%),  Kiwifruit seed oil (20%) and 
grapeseed oil
(20%).  It is 100% pure and has no fillers, preservatives, GMOs, excipients, 
pesticides,
gluten free, mercury free, shellfish protein free, no fishy aftertaste.  It is 
a tiny pill
that's packed with power.  Born and bred straight out of New Zealand.  Please 
come
check my FB page https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/  and my
website:  nancylynn.moxxor.com.  My own vet said it's an excellent supplement 
and
she recommends it.  It is much easier to give them rather than those huge fish 
oil
caps.  Just a thought.  The sale to me is not important as I don't get a 
commission.  
I have to say though, it is the best omega 3.  
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Re: [Felvtalk] MY LITTLE GIRL NOT EATING MUCH

[gidget43]

Hi Lance,  Thank you for your response.  Kit ate tonight and played like crazy, 
but as I told Amani, she did the same last night, but during the day is vey 
picky now on eating.  I will try the Tiki Cat's chicken and chicken & egg as I 
have heard that is very good.  Kit has been eating FF chicken for a long time 
now and maybe is bored with it.  I'll see how she does tomorrow and maybe 
contact vet if truly needed. They are specialists about an hour away who are 
(luckily) open 24/7.  Thanks again Lance!


Nancy



-Original Message-
From: Lance 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2016 7:16 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] MY LITTLE GIRL NOT EATING MUCH



If you can, check her mouth and tongue for sores. Had this happen with a 
negative once. She didn’t eat, and she hid. She was given abx and either IV’d 
nutrients or just rehydrated. 


Try other food (Tiki Cat’s chicken and chicken formulas are great). I also 
discovered that Fancy Feast plain chicken formula, as bad as I thought it was, 
stimulated appetite.


Sometimes feeding in a different location worked for Ember. 


Agree with Amani that a CBC would be a good thing to have. 


I hope Kit feels better (and hungrier) soon.


Lance





On Apr 28, 2016, at 2:46 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:


Hi all,  haven't posted here in awhile because all was going well.  Kit
decided she did not want to eat today.  So when I get home I intend
to try Baby Food (Gerber's Stage 2).  If she does not eat, I will be 
syringe feeding her and contacting the vet.  I did see that she did
not use the litter box a few times, but is now using it again.  Could
it be a possible she has a UTI?  Any advice is appreciated.


Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] MY LITTLE GIRL NOT EATING MUCH

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Why is it so rare that bacteria cause a UTI?  I have read in blood work myself 
that it is quite possible.  High WBCs and high Neutrophils in the urinalysis 
will indicate infection.   Also in a urinalysis, it will state if bacteria is 
seen or not.  So I am a bit confused.  If there is blood in the urine, but no 
bacteria seen, then I would say cystitis. Well anyways, Kit ate for the first 
time today and cleaned her plate.  She did this yesterday to though and that's 
why I am questioning it.  She is 9 months old.  Could she be changing her 
eating habits?  She use to go from cleaning off her plate in seconds, to now 
being more picky.  She is in remission and her appointment is in July because 
she has been doing so well, the vet said 4 months re-check.  I'm not sure about 
prednisilone just yet.  Do you all use this med for yours?  When Kit was 
diagnosed, she was on Onsior, an antibiotic (2 rounds), iron, and Immuno 
Support.  Now she is just on the Immuno Support.  For bladder inflammation, in 
my group on FB, we have recommended Corn Silk liquid (alcohol free) and it 
works wonders (all natural).  I will see how she does tomorrow and make a 
decision re calling the vet.  Thank you Amani.


Nancy


-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Thu, Apr 28, 2016 3:53 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] MY LITTLE GIRL NOT EATING MUCH



Hi Nancy
 
It is very rare that cats get an actual urinary tract infection caused by 
bacteria. Instead, they may get cystitis or other inflammatory conditions. If 
that is what you suspect, then prednisolone may be of assistance. However, 
given her lack of appetite as well as not using the litter box, I am sure you 
recognize that it could be a bunch of other things causing her to not feel 
well. If it were me, I would have blood work drawn for haematology at least, 
and biochemistry if possible, and then once that is done, get her on the 
prednisolone. Since the prednisolone helps in many conditions which cause 
inflammation, it can’t hurt to have her on it while you await the blood 
results. With those in hand, you would have a better idea what your next steps 
might be and if there is other medication that is needed.
 
The prednisolone would probably help with her appetite as well, while you wait 
for the lab results.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of 
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Sent: April-28-16 3:47 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] MY LITTLE GIRL NOT EATING MUCH
 
Hi all,  haven't posted here in awhile because all was going well.  Kit

decided she did not want to eat today.  So when I get home I intend

to try Baby Food (Gerber's Stage 2).  If she does not eat, I will be 

syringe feeding her and contacting the vet.  I did see that she did

not use the litter box a few times, but is now using it again.  Could

it be a possible she has a UTI?  Any advice is appreciated.

 

Nancy


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[Felvtalk] MY LITTLE GIRL NOT EATING MUCH

[gidget43]

Hi all,  haven't posted here in awhile because all was going well.  Kit
decided she did not want to eat today.  So when I get home I intend
to try Baby Food (Gerber's Stage 2).  If she does not eat, I will be 
syringe feeding her and contacting the vet.  I did see that she did
not use the litter box a few times, but is now using it again.  Could
it be a possible she has a UTI?  Any advice is appreciated.


Nancy
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[Felvtalk] Raven has enlarged lymph nodes

[gidget43]

Hi Sabrina,  This is how we found FeLV in our 5 month old kitty (at the time).  
The vet ran all blood work


and everything was out of normal ranges.  She mentioned possibility of cancer, 
but luckily it was not.
She put her on Orbax and Clavamox.  That was 2 months ago.  The nodes are 
slowly still going down.
She also put her on RX Immuno Support.  Today, no fever, nodes are almost to 
normal size.  Don't
give up.  Continue with treatment as it could go down.  All Kit's blood work 
today is normal (knock
on wood).  


Nancy & Kit
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea

[gidget43]

Thank you Lance.  Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with 
FeLV and what is not.
I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have 
Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets."
Can I safely use both?


Nancy & Kit



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Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea



Hi Nancy,


I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had 
diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people 
mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. 


Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. 
Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give 
her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 
hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever 
showed any signs for the worse from it.


Best to you and Kit,


Lance



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Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit.  Blood work perfect.  
About
4 days ago, she developed diarrhea.  While she is not running to the litterbox 
all
the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery.  I know FeLV
cats could develop IBD.  Could this be it?  How and what would you all suggest?
I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive
Enzymes which also contains probiotics.  Would either of these (or both) help?


Would appreciate your opinions.  I also sent an email to the vet.


Thank you!


Nancy & Kit
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea

[gidget43]

Lance, I just spoke to Kit's vet and she would like to just start off with the 
probiotics first.
Just add one thing in to see Kit's reaction.  So we will begin with that.


I had one cat who loved pumpkin and licked it off the spoon.  She never had a 
BM problem!  :-)


Thx again!
Nancy



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Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea



Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to your 
vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is just fiber 
that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may not like it, 
but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot.


Lance



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Thank you Lance.  Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with 
FeLV and what is not.
I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have 
Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets."
Can I safely use both?


Nancy & Kit



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From: Lance 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea



Hi Nancy,


I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had 
diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people 
mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. 


Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. 
Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give 
her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 
hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever 
showed any signs for the worse from it.


Best to you and Kit,


Lance



On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:


Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit.  Blood work perfect.  
About
4 days ago, she developed diarrhea.  While she is not running to the litterbox 
all
the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery.  I know FeLV
cats could develop IBD.  Could this be it?  How and what would you all suggest?
I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive
Enzymes which also contains probiotics.  Would either of these (or both) help?


Would appreciate your opinions.  I also sent an email to the vet.


Thank you!


Nancy & Kit
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea

[gidget43]

I will Lance.  Thank you! 


Nancy



-Original Message-
From: Lance 
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Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 12:23 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea



That makes sense. I had a good working relationship with Ember’s vet, and I 
almost always deferred to her on any changes I made. It’s a good thing to have 
everyone on the same page. Keep us posted!


Lance



On Feb 10, 2016, at 10:44 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:


Lance, I just spoke to Kit's vet and she would like to just start off with the 
probiotics first.
Just add one thing in to see Kit's reaction.  So we will begin with that.


I had one cat who loved pumpkin and licked it off the spoon.  She never had a 
BM problem!  :-)


Thx again!
Nancy



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From: Lance 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 11:34 am
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea



Could Kit have pumpkin and a probiotic at the same time? Ultimately up to your 
vet, but I would think they would be fine together. Plain pumpkin is just fiber 
that should help slow things down. The only catch is that Kit may not like it, 
but it’s cheap and widely available, so maybe worth a shot.


Lance



On Feb 10, 2016, at 9:36 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:


Thank you Lance.  Being new at this, I'm not sure what is good for a cat with 
FeLV and what is not.
I did contact the vet and she asked me to start a probiotic, which I have 
Mercola's "Complete Probiotics for Pets."
Can I safely use both?


Nancy & Kit



-Original Message-
From: Lance 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Wed, Feb 10, 2016 9:13 am
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea



Hi Nancy,


I used to give Ember plain (not spiced for pies) canned pumpkin when she had 
diarrhea. She would eat it on its own out of a bowl, though I think most people 
mix it with wet food. Pumpkin is gentle and can firm up things a bit. 


Ember periodically had diarrhea, though it was only two or three times a year. 
Along with pumpkin, I would also fast her for 12-18 hours, and that would give 
her system time to get back on track. Just be very careful with the fasting. 18 
hours might have been a bit too long, though neither Ember (nor her liver) ever 
showed any signs for the worse from it.


Best to you and Kit,


Lance



On Feb 10, 2016, at 7:11 AM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:


Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit.  Blood work perfect.  
About
4 days ago, she developed diarrhea.  While she is not running to the litterbox 
all
the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery.  I know FeLV
cats could develop IBD.  Could this be it?  How and what would you all suggest?
I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive
Enzymes which also contains probiotics.  Would either of these (or both) help?


Would appreciate your opinions.  I also sent an email to the vet.


Thank you!


Nancy & Kit
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[Felvtalk] Kit has Diarrhea

[gidget43]

Hello everyone, so far it has been all good news for Kit.  Blood work perfect.  
About
4 days ago, she developed diarrhea.  While she is not running to the litterbox 
all
the time, when she does go (maybe twice daily or 3), it is watery.  I know FeLV
cats could develop IBD.  Could this be it?  How and what would you all suggest?
I have probiotics (Complete for Pets by Dr. Mercola) and I also have Digestive
Enzymes which also contains probiotics.  Would either of these (or both) help?


Would appreciate your opinions.  I also sent an email to the vet.


Thank you!


Nancy & Kit
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[Felvtalk] KIT WIZNER

[gidget43]

Just wanted to share once again that Kit's blood work all came back normal 
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Re: [Felvtalk] Brock the Miracle Kitty

[gidget43]

Omega 3 supplements are excellent for inflammation any place in the body of 
both animals and people.
I sell a product called MOXXOR, which is a small black capsule filled with ONLY 
the following:
green-lipped mussel oil, kiwifruit seed oil and grape seed oil.  It's 100% 
natural and I have my 2
FeLV cats on it.  I'm not so much as trying to make a sale here, but want you 
all aware that
unlike fish oil, MOXXOR contains none of the following:  preservatives, GMOs, 
pesticides, 
excipients, mercury, or fillers such as olive oil.  The grape seed oil is just 
that ~~ oil from the seeds,
and is non toxic.  If anyone is interested in learning more, my website is 
nancylynn.moxxor.com and
my FB page is   https://www.facebook.com/moxxorforabetterlife/.   Sending ((( 
hugs ))) to your kitties
this day.  Nancy



-Original Message-
From: Ardy Robertson 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2016 10:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Brock the Miracle Kitty

Wonderful to hear.do kitties benefit from Fish oil or some form of
Omega-3 oils? I love to hear a story like this!!
Ardy


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Marsha
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2016 1:53 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: [Felvtalk] Brock the Miracle Kitty

We just came back from FeLV+ Brock's cardiology appointment.  He was
diagnosed with restrictive cardiomyopathy and CHF 9 months ago, with an
average survival time being 2-6 months.  I was expecting that fluid would be
drawn off, because it's been 2.5 months since last time, and
1.5 months ago, an X-ray showed fluid was starting to build up.  Not only
did Brock have NO pleural effusion (what was there 1.5 months ago was GONE),
but, the dilated ventricle/atrium had returned to a normal size!!  And his
blood pressure is ideal at 128!  He still has a murmur, and thickened heart
walls, but close enough for me to call it a miracle!  His Lasix is being
reduced from 3x a day to 2x a day.  Checkup in 4 months unless he develops
respiratory issues (increased rate or effort).

Marsha

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Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

[gidget43]

My two (Kit and Baby) are eating Holistic Select and at times Fancy Feast 
Classics Chicken or Turkey.  Gee, if there are any homemade recipes
that are good for them, I would love to hear about them.  Holisitic Select is a 
no grain, no gluten food.  As for the fish?  No way would I feed any
of mine fish or anything with fish in it.  It's very bad on the bladder and, 
yes, will eventually cause debris and sediment, which leads to crystals
and stones.  


Nancy & the gang.



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Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?



Remember that baby food is NOT a "complete and balanced" diet. 

The only time I have ever had a cat voluntarily eat something I so lovingly 
prepared, was when I had a cat with IBD who could only tolerate raw. And I'm a 
GOOD cook 

I have hesitated to respond to this, because my practice is often frowned upon. 
I like to feed canned foods with no grain, no carbs and (gasp) by-products are 
allowed. I avoid fish for most of them, but only because I do think it may be a 
trigger for stone-formers. Of course, my two blockers are also my two FeLV+'s. 
So most of the time, I don't offer fish based foods.

I also tried many of the gourmet, grain free, special, amazing (ly expensive) 
options that Chewy had to offer. I have now decided that feeding Fancy Feast 
Classic pates (they're currently eating beef or chicken) and/or Sheba pates 
(same flavors) is fine. Some would eat one kind, some another, but hundreds of 
$ worth of the "Good Stuff" went to the ferals and raccoons. I don't feed dry 
(the stone forming thing again) often. If you have only a few cats, I had 
pretty good luck with Hound and Gatos and Wild Calling carb free varieties.

Good Luck :)

Margo 



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---
From: gidge...@aol.com
Sent: Jan 8, 2016 10:55 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

If you use Gerbers, make sure you use stage 2 only.  the small 2.5 oz jars 
because they are strictly meat and water with a tad of cornstarch in it.
No onions or garlic in these.  The ones you want are Ham (no salt added), 
Chicken, Turkey or Beef with gravy. 


Nancy & the gang



-Original Message-
From: dlgegg 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

I have used baby food, just make sue that it does not have any garlic or 
onioin, Gerbers is pretty good.
I have also boiled chicken for my soup and held out some before I put in garlic 
and onion.  

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> My FeLV+ cat Tigger is doing very well at the moment, however, he did have a
> swollen lymph node, and even though he is past the initial period of
> illness, he is still positive. He does seem to be cold quite often even
> though we have the thermostat turned way up for him, and he also seems to
> sleep a lot more than he ever did before so I am now giving him a liquid
> vitamin/mineral supplement with iron in it.
> 
>  
> 
> When he was very sick and not eating/drinking, the vet told me to feed him
> anything he wants. What he chose was Friskies salmon pate canned food. Now
> that he eats better, he has really cut down on eating the Blue Buffalo dry
> food. In my reading I have heard that it is not good for him to have any
> "fish-based" food. I have seen this mentioned in several articles. I think
> it has something to do with bacteria but I'm not sure.
> 
>  
> 
> I am wondering if any of you make your own cat food. I once had to boil
> chicken and rice together for a cat who was sick, and as I remember she
> didn't like it much. So - I am looking for a way to make something out of
> "people quality" meat and maybe put a little rice in it, but I am thinking
> it will have to have a "pate" consistency and be fairly flavorful. This
> kitty doesn't seem to think he should eat any people food, whereas my other
> one believes she should only eat people food.
> 
>  
> 
> Any ideas would be appreciated - I will go to whatever lengths needed to
> make a good food for him. (I have tried the fresh cat food at Pet Food Plus
> and he won't touch it. I have also tried all the other canned stuff, even
> the super expensive kinds.)
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Ardy Robertson
> 
> Osseo, WI
> 
>  
> 


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Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

[gidget43]

If you use Gerbers, make sure you use stage 2 only.  the small 2.5 oz jars 
because they are strictly meat and water with a tad of cornstarch in it.
No onions or garlic in these.  The ones you want are Ham (no salt added), 
Chicken, Turkey or Beef with gravy. 


Nancy & the gang



-Original Message-
From: dlgegg 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 5:00 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Does anyone have homemade cat food recipes to share?

I have used baby food, just make sue that it does not have any garlic or 
onioin, Gerbers is pretty good.
I have also boiled chicken for my soup and held out some before I put in garlic 
and onion.  

 Ardy Robertson  wrote: 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> My FeLV+ cat Tigger is doing very well at the moment, however, he did have a
> swollen lymph node, and even though he is past the initial period of
> illness, he is still positive. He does seem to be cold quite often even
> though we have the thermostat turned way up for him, and he also seems to
> sleep a lot more than he ever did before so I am now giving him a liquid
> vitamin/mineral supplement with iron in it.
> 
>  
> 
> When he was very sick and not eating/drinking, the vet told me to feed him
> anything he wants. What he chose was Friskies salmon pate canned food. Now
> that he eats better, he has really cut down on eating the Blue Buffalo dry
> food. In my reading I have heard that it is not good for him to have any
> "fish-based" food. I have seen this mentioned in several articles. I think
> it has something to do with bacteria but I'm not sure.
> 
>  
> 
> I am wondering if any of you make your own cat food. I once had to boil
> chicken and rice together for a cat who was sick, and as I remember she
> didn't like it much. So - I am looking for a way to make something out of
> "people quality" meat and maybe put a little rice in it, but I am thinking
> it will have to have a "pate" consistency and be fairly flavorful. This
> kitty doesn't seem to think he should eat any people food, whereas my other
> one believes she should only eat people food.
> 
>  
> 
> Any ideas would be appreciated - I will go to whatever lengths needed to
> make a good food for him. (I have tried the fresh cat food at Pet Food Plus
> and he won't touch it. I have also tried all the other canned stuff, even
> the super expensive kinds.)
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> Ardy Robertson
> 
> Osseo, WI
> 
>  
> 


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[Felvtalk] My FeLV baby Kit

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Hi everyone, I just wanted to share some good news.  Today made my day
and I know both Kit and I will have a perfect Christmas.  Her blood was all
NORMAL!!  I will be receiving a copy soon to go over, but the vet was so
excited to let me know.  We now go in a month for a recheck.  


Thx everyone.
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[Felvtalk] KIT

[gidget43]

Hello everyone,  update on Kit.  Good news and not the best news.  Good is 24% 
HCT (was 20, then 22%),  she continues to be happy, eating well and playing 
like crazy.  Not so good news is her neutrophils went from 2500 to 250 (was 
300, then 2500).  She then mentioned that she aspirated the enlarged nodes on 
her neck and the lymphoblasts went from 2% to 11%.   Does this mean it is in 
the bone marrow?  I don't understand lymphoblasts.  The vet ordered another 
round of clavamox, orbax, I now have pet tinic and something the vet 
recommended called Immuno Support by Rx Vitamins.  Just ordered it.  Is there 
anything else I can be doing to help her?  She also is getting a bit of B12 in 
her food once a day.Oh and I also ordered a probiotic, because you should 
really give this while they are on an AB.  Please adv if I should be doing 
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[Felvtalk] KIT

[gidget43]

Hello everyone,  update on Kit.  Good news and not so good news.  Good is 24% 
HCT (was 20, then 22%),  she continues to be happy, eating well and playing 
like crazy.  Not so good news is her neutrophils went from 2500 to 250 (was 
300, then 2500).  The vet mentioned that she aspirated the enlarged nodes on 
her neck and the lymphoblasts went from 2% to 11%.   Does this mean it is in 
the bone marrow?  I don't understand lymphoblasts.  The vet ordered another 
round of clavamox, orbax, I now have pet tinic and something the vet 
recommended called Immuno Support by Rx Vitamins.  Just ordered it. Subq fluids 
every other night.  Is there anything else I can be doing to help her?  She 
also is getting a bit of B12 in her food once a day.Oh and I also ordered a 
probiotic, because you should really give this while they are on an AB.  Please 
adv if I should be doing anything else and if so, what?  Is there any chance 
for this to could go into remission still?  vet said many nodes are enlarged 
and in two weeks will do another X Ray.  Also she fears it will lead to 
lymphoma, but that can be treated can't it?  I'm getting very nervous here.  
She's just a 4 month old baby and I want to give her a happy life for as long 
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[Felvtalk] DENAMARIN for liver support

[gidget43]

Hello again,  I know many here use Winstrol for anemia?  I've been reading that 
the liver elevations rise and many articles state it can cause liver damage.  I 
am wondering why no one has mentioned the liver support called Denamarin. 
Denamarin is a nutritional supplement containing the antioxidant Silybin used 
to improve your pet's liver function by increasing liver glutathione levels. 
The tablets come in three different strengths; for cats and small dogs, for 
medium dogs, or for large dogs. 
There is also Milk Thistle which cleans the toxins from the liver.  
Can't these be used to support the liver function while using Winstrol? They are
natural products.  


Nancy




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Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Kit

[gidget43]

Thank you Amani.  I will discuss this with the vet on Saturday.  


Nancy



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From: Amani Oakley 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2015 1:39 pm
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  Kit



 
I would hold off on the spaying for now. She is in a vulnerable state and 
doesn’t need the additional stress of surgery (and blood loss). I suspect that 
the lymph nodes will start going down as she gets on top of the infection. I’m 
not sure about testing for Haemobartonella but I guess if it were me, I would 
do it just in case, so at least I know what I am up against. Haemobartonella is 
often present with FeLV and can exacerbate the symptoms or even make a 
previously asymptomatic cat, symptomatic. It also worsens anemia, lethargy and 
lack of appetite and can be treated with antibiotics, so if it is present, why 
not deal with it. It would probably assist in improving the clinical picture. 
On the other hand, when I treated Zander for FeLV, I had him on doxycycline 
anyway, so that is the treatment for Haemobartonella, so even if you don’t 
test, if you have your cat on something which will address it if it is there, 
then maybe you don’t need the actual lab test to be run.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of Nancy 
Wizner
Sent: December-01-15 4:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

 

Yes you have helped a ton!   Thank you.  I think question # 4 is should she be 
tested for hemobart even though she is not infested?  I did put the Advantage 
II on a couple days ago.   Oh and one more question-  she has an appt on the 
14th to be spayed. Should I cancell this?  Also will ask vet on Saturday.  Her 
lymph nodes are swollen. 

 

Thank you!  Nancy

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On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:


Hi Nancy
 
I will answer the questions I can.
 
1.You can use Epogen or Darbeopoetin to increase red cell production but I 
have no direct experience with either. However, first, I think that the 
Winstrol acts on the precursor cells in the bone marrow that produce red cells, 
white cells and platelets, and that is why all these cell lines respond to the 
Winstrol – not just red cell production. Secondly, if the FeLV has had its 
effect on the bone marrow, making it hypocellular. It is theorized that the 
virus blocks the stem cells in the bone marrow and they therefore cannot 
differentiate into the various cell components of blood (white cells, red 
cells, platelets). If that has happened, then no amount of erythropoietin-type 
derivatives will help since erythropoietin is produced in the renal adrenal 
glands and the erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce red cells but 
the bone marrow cannot because it has been left depleted of the precursor cells 
that make the red cells. The problem with erythropoietin mimics is also that 
the body stops producing its own erythropoietin if it detects enough 
circulating in the system, so you may end up causing a worse situation by 
actually depressing natural erythropoietin production. You don’t get any of 
those problems with the WInstrol.
2.No – Winstrol doesn’t cause the body to respond by producing antibodies 
against the medication.
3.Yes – the 1 mg tablets, 2 times a day, are for cats of all weights. If it 
is a very small kitten, you could try 0.5 mg 2 times a day though I never found 
it necessary to use such a low dose. If the cat is in really bad shape and you 
need to “jump start” the process quickly (eg – severe anemia, significantly 
reduced appetite, difficulty breathing because of the anemia), I would start 
with 2 mg 2 times a day until you start getting a response, either with 
improved appetite or lab results show an increase in red cell or other cell 
line counts.
4.I am not sure if there is a question here.
5.I don’t think Winstrol causes itching – not in my experience in any event.
6.Definitely, if she has worms, they are a drain on her system and certain 
worms drop red cell counts but I don’t think round worms do that (but I haven’t 
checked into that recently).
7.A slight temperature is okay for a while but it is the rest of the stuff 
that comes with the temperature, like loss of appetite and lethargy, which you 
have to watch for.
 
I hope some of this helps.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: November-30-15 7:18 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit
 
Lance, a friend told me about this test.  Hardy RL. She told me to have the vet 
take it as it will tell what stage she is in.  Takes about 10 days to get 
results.  Maybe it goes by another name?  Ironically, the vet took it on her 
own.  I never had to ask for it.  I have messaged my friend to find out more. 

 

Also, Lance, I wanted to let you know that I am the founder and Admin of 

Re: [Felvtalk] FW: Kit

[gidget43]

Thank you Margo.  I thought it would not be a good idea, and will cancel the 
appointment. Also will discuss the the length of time for the Orbax.  


Nancy




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From: Margo 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Tue, Dec 1, 2015 2:14 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] FW:  Kit



I'd also suggest you hold off on the spay for now, stress is your biggest 
enemy. Blood loss in a cat spay is almost non-existent, but the stress may 
cause a relapse. 

The only test for "hemobart" seems to be a PCR. I can't get onto the website, 
but I think you said she's on Orbax, which is a quinolone, and should be 
effective against it as well. It does need to be given for three weeks (I do 
six) so check with your Vet. no need to test if you're already treating :)

HTH,

Margo


-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley 
Sent: Dec 1, 2015 1:28 PM
To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" 
Subject: [Felvtalk] FW:  Kit


 
I would hold off on the spaying for now. She is in a vulnerable state and 
doesn’t need the additional stress of surgery (and blood loss). I suspect that 
the lymph nodes will start going down as she gets on top of the infection. I’m 
not sure about testing for Haemobartonella but I guess if it were me, I would 
do it just in case, so at least I know what I am up against. Haemobartonella is 
often present with FeLV and can exacerbate the symptoms or even make a 
previously asymptomatic cat, symptomatic. It also worsens anemia, lethargy and 
lack of appetite and can be treated with antibiotics, so if it is present, why 
not deal with it. It would probably assist in improving the clinical picture. 
On the other hand, when I treated Zander for FeLV, I had him on doxycycline 
anyway, so that is the treatment for Haemobartonella, so even if you don’t 
test, if you have your cat on something which will address it if it is there, 
then maybe you don’t need the actual lab test to be run.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of Nancy 
Wizner
Sent: December-01-15 4:17 AM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

 

Yes you have helped a ton!   Thank you.  I think question # 4 is should she be 
tested for hemobart even though she is not infested?  I did put the Advantage 
II on a couple days ago.   Oh and one more question-  she has an appt on the 
14th to be spayed. Should I cancell this?  Also will ask vet on Saturday.  Her 
lymph nodes are swollen. 

 

Thank you!  Nancy

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 30, 2015, at 8:07 PM, Amani Oakley  wrote:


Hi Nancy
 
I will answer the questions I can.
 
1.You can use Epogen or Darbeopoetin to increase red cell production but I 
have no direct experience with either. However, first, I think that the 
Winstrol acts on the precursor cells in the bone marrow that produce red cells, 
white cells and platelets, and that is why all these cell lines respond to the 
Winstrol – not just red cell production. Secondly, if the FeLV has had its 
effect on the bone marrow, making it hypocellular. It is theorized that the 
virus blocks the stem cells in the bone marrow and they therefore cannot 
differentiate into the various cell components of blood (white cells, red 
cells, platelets). If that has happened, then no amount of erythropoietin-type 
derivatives will help since erythropoietin is produced in the renal adrenal 
glands and the erythropoietin tells the bone marrow to produce red cells but 
the bone marrow cannot because it has been left depleted of the precursor cells 
that make the red cells. The problem with erythropoietin mimics is also that 
the body stops producing its own erythropoietin if it detects enough 
circulating in the system, so you may end up causing a worse situation by 
actually depressing natural erythropoietin production. You don’t get any of 
those problems with the WInstrol.
2.No – Winstrol doesn’t cause the body to respond by producing antibodies 
against the medication.
3.Yes – the 1 mg tablets, 2 times a day, are for cats of all weights. If it 
is a very small kitten, you could try 0.5 mg 2 times a day though I never found 
it necessary to use such a low dose. If the cat is in really bad shape and you 
need to “jump start” the process quickly (eg – severe anemia, significantly 
reduced appetite, difficulty breathing because of the anemia), I would start 
with 2 mg 2 times a day until you start getting a response, either with 
improved appetite or lab results show an increase in red cell or other cell 
line counts.
4.I am not sure if there is a question here.
5.I don’t think Winstrol causes itching – not in my experience in any event.
6.Definitely, if she has worms, they are a drain on her system and certain 
worms drop red cell counts but I don’t think round worms do that (but I haven’t 
checked into that recently).
7.A slight temperature is okay for a while but it is the rest of the 

[Felvtalk] Winstrol

[gidget43]

I read here that while on Winstrol, a cat's liver values can elevate.  Could it 
cause liver disease?
Also has anyone used Denamarin to support the liver?  Or is it not good for 
FeLV kitties?


http://www.nutramaxlabs.com/cat/cat-liver-health/denamarin-for-cats


or even milk thistle?


Nancy
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[Felvtalk] Kit

[gidget43]

Kit's fever is gone.  No longer on Onsior.  Still taking Clavamox, Orabax, and 
getting fluids.  Last blood work was improved.
WBCs  from 4.34 to 5.25
HCT  from 20% to 22%
PLT  from 3000 to 24000
Neutrophils from 651 to 2500


Her nodes are still swollen.  Will they ever come down?  We still have at least 
a week and a half of ABs, but was just
wondering.  She is still playing, and eating very well.


Waiting for the Hardy RL test.  Does that determine what stage?  


Thank you!   


Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Kit

[gidget43]

Lance, a friend told me about this test.  Hardy RL. She told me to have the vet 
take it as it will tell what stage she is in.  Takes about 10 days to get 
results.  Maybe it goes by another name?  Ironically, the vet took it on her 
own.  I never had to ask for it.  I have messaged my friend to find out more. 


Also, Lance, I wanted to let you know that I am the founder and Admin of FELINE 
CHRONIC KIDNEY DISEASE  (all caps) on Facebook.  I have almost 1, 670 members.  
I can certainly help out here with those whose cats have this problem too.  


I have many questions.  Hope you don't mind, as I am in learning stages. So 
here I go:


1)  I see Winstrol listed as the primary treatment for anemia.  Can you also 
use Epogen or Darbeopoetin?  


2)   Can one develop antibodies with Winstrol?  I have heard of this med,  but 
don't know much about it  


3)  Also, I see you recommend 1 mg tablets.  Is this for cats of all weights?


4)  Kit has fleas.  I put Advantage II for kittens on her yesterday.She seems 
to be itching a bit more.  Unless it's my paranoid self.  I have heard alot 
about the Hemobart test, but I don't think she is infested.  Will have a good 
look though.  


5)  Could FeLV cause itching?


6)  She also has round worms, which I gave her a dewormer 2 days ago.  Could 
this bring blood work down?


7) Her temp is holding around 101.2  ~  102.2.  This is ok?  She is no longer 
on Onsior.


I am doing alot of reading now and hope you don't mind all the questions, as 
I'm sure I will have more
 


Thx, Lance.


Nancy











-Original Message-
From: Lance 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 6:43 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Kit



Hi Nancy,


I’m not sure about the nodes. I guess it depends on what is causing the 
swelling. 


I’ve never heard of the Hardy RL test and a brief google didn’t yield results 
related to FeLV. What kind of test is it? 


Lance



On Nov 30, 2015, at 2:32 PM, gidge...@aol.com wrote:


Kit's fever is gone.  No longer on Onsior.  Still taking Clavamox, Orabax, and 
getting fluids.  Last blood work was improved.
WBCs  from 4.34 to 5.25
HCT  from 20% to 22%
PLT  from 3000 to 24000
Neutrophils from 651 to 2500


Her nodes are still swollen.  Will they ever come down?  We still have at least 
a week and a half of ABs, but was just
wondering.  She is still playing, and eating very well.


Waiting for the Hardy RL test.  Does that determine what stage?  


Thank you!   


Nancy
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Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

[gidget43]

Amani,  Guilt is part of grieving!  We all feel that.  She knew how much you 
loved her and still do.  She is never that far away.  Like I always say, when 
one passes, another star is added to the sky watching over us until we meet 
again.  Don't be hard on yourself.  Love means everything!   


Nancy




-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 6:52 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv



 
Thanks Nancy. Aphrodite was a cat like no other, and she was only 10 when she 
died. It nearly killed me that she had been absolutely fine and it was a bloody 
infection from taking her in for her annual check-up that did her in. I picked 
her up on the side of the highway one day and she was just the most snuggliest 
cat I have ever ever had. I was plagued with all kinds of guilt after her death 
because she used to come up to our faces when we were sleeping in bed, and if 
you didn’t pretend to be asleep, she would smoosh at your face and purr and 
drool and generally not let you breathe or sleep. But, oh my lord, I was just 
so heartbroken that I had pretended to be asleep so often instead of welcoming 
her adoring love.
 
Amani
 
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of 
gidge...@aol.com
Sent: November-30-15 6:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv
 
Amani,  So very sorry for your loss!  Nancy 

-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv


I think that the last set of lab results had poor Aphrodite’s creatinine at 
1094 and her urea at 113.2.

 

Amani

 


From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: November-27-15 9:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv


 


How high was Aphrodite's creatinine level?  Peaches' WBC had been scary low 5 
days before I took her in for support over the weekend.  Tried clavamox and 
orbax for preventive reasons to tide her over the low point, but both made her 
feel ill.  They gave her enrofloxacin at the university, in case a kidney 
infection had taken hold, but no way to know.  I considered a necropsy of at 
least her kidneys, but opted out for a couple of reasons: 1) they wouldn't sew 
her back up, and I would not be allowed to directly pick up her remains, the 
cremation place would have to pick them up. I would have no say in asking that 
they treat her remains with respect while doing the necropsy.;  2) the 
information would be for me only, not put in a database anywhere where it could 
help others or expand the body of knowledge of outcomes of her very rare 
multiple myeloma.  If it's not part of an official study, they don't care.  
That really irks me.  That should be a given, that they would want to find out 
what happened.  There is very little literature on multiple myeloma in cats, 
and its treatments and outcomes.  DUH, I wonder why.  NOT.  Here they have this 
perfect opportunity to gain valuable knowledge, but there's no money attached, 
so they are done.  

Marsha

On 11/27/2015 8:09 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:


Marsha

 

At 2 mg a day, a person would need a whole lot of vet pills to use on 
themselves. The normal dose for humans is 10 to 12 mg a day, and athletes use 
it at way higher levels to enhance performance. In any event, I would think 
that a vet could reassure themselves by just limiting the number of pills given 
over to a client to 50 or so at a time unless the vet knows the client very 
well, as mine do. Winstrol would hardly be the only vet medication that could 
be abused or sold if someone was of a mind to do that.

 

Zander was the only FeLV cat I have had, that I knew about anyway. I wouldn’t 
be so adamant about the Winstrol if it hadn’t been for my serial blood testing 
throughout the time I was treating Zander, first with other treatments and then 
with Winstrol. The Winstrol was absolutely tied to his steady rise in red cell, 
haematocrit, platelets, and retic count and whenever I stopped for a time, his 
results would tumble.

 

However, I have mentioned on a few occasions that I used the Winstrol on a cat 
with nasal sarcoma who was 16. Again, I had tried a number of other medications 
and treatments for her to keep her eating and to keep the mucous being 
profusely produced by the sarcoma, under control. She underwent radiation 
therapy, and the vet who was looking after her at the time was amazed at how 
well the Winstrol worked to keep her eating, and keep the mucous production 
reduced, and commented that the cats are often lost because of loss of 
appetite, both with this condition and with the radiation therapy. She lived 
for 3 more 

Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

[gidget43]

Amani,  So very sorry for your loss!  Nancy 



-Original Message-
From: Amani Oakley 
To: felvtalk 
Sent: Mon, Nov 30, 2015 3:21 pm
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv



I think that the last set of lab results had poor Aphrodite’s creatinine at 
1094 and her urea at 113.2.
 
Amani
 

From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org]On Behalf Of Marsha
Sent: November-27-15 9:46 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Grieving, and need to understand about felv

 

How high was Aphrodite's creatinine level?  Peaches' WBC had been scary low 5 
days before I took her in for support over the weekend.  Tried clavamox and 
orbax for preventive reasons to tide her over the low point, but both made her 
feel ill.  They gave her enrofloxacin at the university, in case a kidney 
infection had taken hold, but no way to know.  I considered a necropsy of at 
least her kidneys, but opted out for a couple of reasons: 1) they wouldn't sew 
her back up, and I would not be allowed to directly pick up her remains, the 
cremation place would have to pick them up. I would have no say in asking that 
they treat her remains with respect while doing the necropsy.;  2) the 
information would be for me only, not put in a database anywhere where it could 
help others or expand the body of knowledge of outcomes of her very rare 
multiple myeloma.  If it's not part of an official study, they don't care.  
That really irks me.  That should be a given, that they would want to find out 
what happened.  There is very little literature on multiple myeloma in cats, 
and its treatments and outcomes.  DUH, I wonder why.  NOT.  Here they have this 
perfect opportunity to gain valuable knowledge, but there's no money attached, 
so they are done. 

Marsha

On 11/27/2015 8:09 PM, Amani Oakley wrote:

Marsha
 
At 2 mg a day, a person would need a whole lot of vet pills to use on 
themselves. The normal dose for humans is 10 to 12 mg a day, and athletes use 
it at way higher levels to enhance performance. In any event, I would think 
that a vet could reassure themselves by just limiting the number of pills given 
over to a client to 50 or so at a time unless the vet knows the client very 
well, as mine do. Winstrol would hardly be the only vet medication that could 
be abused or sold if someone was of a mind to do that.
 
Zander was the only FeLV cat I have had, that I knew about anyway. I wouldn’t 
be so adamant about the Winstrol if it hadn’t been for my serial blood testing 
throughout the time I was treating Zander, first with other treatments and then 
with Winstrol. The Winstrol was absolutely tied to his steady rise in red cell, 
haematocrit, platelets, and retic count and whenever I stopped for a time, his 
results would tumble.
 
However, I have mentioned on a few occasions that I used the Winstrol on a cat 
with nasal sarcoma who was 16. Again, I had tried a number of other medications 
and treatments for her to keep her eating and to keep the mucous being 
profusely produced by the sarcoma, under control. She underwent radiation 
therapy, and the vet who was looking after her at the time was amazed at how 
well the Winstrol worked to keep her eating, and keep the mucous production 
reduced, and commented that the cats are often lost because of loss of 
appetite, both with this condition and with the radiation therapy. She lived 
for 3 more years with the sarcoma.
 
I used it on a kitten who had come from a feral colony, who was very very ill – 
running eyes, nose, incredibly high temperature, not eating, laboured 
breathing, swollen belly, with a number of others from her colony being 
diagnosed with FIP and dying. I had her on a number of things for a while, like 
antibiotics, prednisolone, fluid therapy, etc. and was not getting any good 
response until I added the Winstrol. Within days, she began to eat, play, her 
nose and eyes stopped running, her belly deflated and she was left with some 
laboured breathing but nothing else.
 
I used it on a kitten who had been given to me because he was considered to 
have a touch of the “wobbles” – thought to maybe be some cerebellar hypoplasia. 
Instead of that, I noted that his anal sphincter didn’t seem to be working 
properly – it was “relaxed” and stool not properly formed and “falling out” and 
problems urinating (wrong places, but also retention and crying when he went 
into the litter box). In humans, these symptoms are consistent with cauda 
equina syndrome, which is the result of damage to the nerves in the lower part 
of the spine. Then my husband and I noticed that he carried his tail straight 
out and didn’t seem to be able to lift it straight up and there was a large 
bump at the base of his tail. I took him in to the vet – surprise – there was 
nothing they could recommend because the apparent spinal injury wasn’t 
significant enough to show on xray. I put