Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"
- Original Message - From: "Jane Gannon" <strayc...@roadrunner.com> To: <felineres...@frontier.com>; <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 7:35 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" Last year I noticed that several of my cats had anisocoria (one pupil is larger that the other) and one of them was loosing weight. I researched on line and found that this can happen in FELV+ cats. I had them tested and they were all positive. I have a large cat family and then had everyone tested, half were positve and half were negative. I vacinated the negatives and have let them all live together. After 6 months I had one negative retested and he was still negative. In October I wrote to you that one of my young ones was lethagic, not eating and had a fever. He ended up getting FIP and I had him euthanised last week. HIs brother had to be euthanised in June. He had many problems, but in the end he had severe neurological problems and could no longer walk. I have another one now that is loosing weight, his rbc count is getting lower but he is acting fine. I want to know more info about Winstrol, my vet does not have a problem using it. How long can a cat be on it and how long does it help? Do I have to keep taking them in for blood tests? How expensive is it? Original Message - From: "Lorrie" <felineres...@frontier.com> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As property, do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the very least. Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he can. Someone once said he would use them for target practice. I told him he would be lying on the ground next to them. - I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is still with us, spayed, happy and loved. - Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"
Last year I noticed that several of my cats had anisocoria (one pupil is larger that the other) and one of them was loosing weight. I researched on line and found that this can happen in FELV+ cats. I had them tested and they were all positive. I have a large cat family and then had everyone tested, half were positve and half were negative. I vacinated the negatives and have let them all live together. After 6 months I had one negative retested and he was still negative. In October I wrote to you that one of my young ones was lethagic, not eating and had a fever. He ended up getting FIP and I had him euthanised last week. HIs brother had to be euthanised in June. He had many problems, but in the end he had severe neurological problems and could no longer walk. I have another one now that is loosing weight, his rbc count is getting lower but he is acting fine. I want to know more info about Winstrol, my vet does not have a problem using it. How long can a cat be on it and how long does it help? Do I have to keep taking them in for blood tests? How expensive is it? Original Message - From: "Lorrie" <felineres...@frontier.com> To: <felvtalk@felineleukemia.org> Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As property, do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the very least. Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he can. Someone once said he would use them for target practice. I told him he would be lying on the ground next to them. - I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is still with us, spayed, happy and loved. - Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org --- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"
How wonderful for them and Tasha. Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: > This is a tad off topic but I have a friend who bought a chocolate lab puppy > supposed to be certified or whatever to have healthy hips, because labs are > prone to hip dysplasia or something like that. Anyway, after their family > fell in love with the puppy and it was firmly a member of their family, > "Tasha" developed a painful hip problem. The vet said the dog would probably > need surgery and quoted them a ballpark of a couple thousand dollars. They > contacted the breeder they had purchased the dog from who told them he would > give them a puppy from the next litter. Of course that was probably all he > could offer at that time but I thought it was kinda cold sounding after they > already loved THEIR dog! > > At any rate, I gave my friend a small Homedics brand battery-operated > massager ($6.00) like one that my hubby uses on his shoulder and for sciatic > nerve pain in his legs, and he tried it on the dog's hips. Later on he was > going to give it back to me and I told him I had meant for him to keep it. > He said they had purchased one because the dog loves it so much. He said > Tasha actually goes and gets it in his mouth and brings it to them for them > to use on his hips, and now the vet says he may not need surgery. I think it > stimulated blood flow / oxygen to the area and has made quite a difference. > Such a simple, cheap therapy! > > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Amani Oakley > Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 11:08 AM > To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" > > Lorrie > > I completely agree with you, but the law often lags behind the views of > society, and if legislators don't push forward these issues, the law can > remain mired in the dark ages. As "property", the law only considers animals > to be worth their replacement value, period. They don't "deserve respect" in > the eyes of the law, because they are the equivalent of a lawn mower or > chair. Of course this is totally out of step with the views of most > Canadians and Americans, and other nationalities around the world, and there > is the occasional judge who recognizes that fact, but you sure can't count > on it when starting litigation. In the U.S., it is possible to initiate > litigation for significant numbers, claiming punitive or aggravated damages, > but I would guess that only in circumstances where a vet has been overtly > and deliberately cruel would there be in the potential for someone to be > successful in advancing those kinds of heads of damages. > > There was a discussion on my legal chatline some time ago, regarding an > unpleasant divorce. The husband had promised to look after the wife's cats > until she found a place to stay. Instead, he took her cats in to the local > shelter. The shelter refused to let the woman know who had adopted the cats, > or if they even had been adopted. The lawyer representing the wife was > asking the rest of us lawyers, if there was anything he could do in terms of > going after the husband for this nasty behaviour, and sure enough, all the > lawyers told him that there was no legal basis to pursue damages related to > what he had done. I was the only one on my chatline saying that if MY > husband EVER handed over my cats during a family dispute, then he had been > run and just keep on running. But that's taking the law into my own hands, > of course. The courts are unlikely to do much, nor do they have the legal > grounds to do something, even if they wanted to do so. > > Amani > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Lorrie > Sent: October-25-15 8:09 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" > > On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > > > It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". > > That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As property, > > do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the very least. > > Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, > > respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he > > can. Someone once said he would use them for target practice. I told > > him he would be lying on the ground next to them. > - > I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten > about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle > of town and this creep saw her a
Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"
This is a tad off topic but I have a friend who bought a chocolate lab puppy supposed to be certified or whatever to have healthy hips, because labs are prone to hip dysplasia or something like that. Anyway, after their family fell in love with the puppy and it was firmly a member of their family, "Tasha" developed a painful hip problem. The vet said the dog would probably need surgery and quoted them a ballpark of a couple thousand dollars. They contacted the breeder they had purchased the dog from who told them he would give them a puppy from the next litter. Of course that was probably all he could offer at that time but I thought it was kinda cold sounding after they already loved THEIR dog! At any rate, I gave my friend a small Homedics brand battery-operated massager ($6.00) like one that my hubby uses on his shoulder and for sciatic nerve pain in his legs, and he tried it on the dog's hips. Later on he was going to give it back to me and I told him I had meant for him to keep it. He said they had purchased one because the dog loves it so much. He said Tasha actually goes and gets it in his mouth and brings it to them for them to use on his hips, and now the vet says he may not need surgery. I think it stimulated blood flow / oxygen to the area and has made quite a difference. Such a simple, cheap therapy! -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Amani Oakley Sent: Monday, October 26, 2015 11:08 AM To: felineres...@frontier.com; felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" Lorrie I completely agree with you, but the law often lags behind the views of society, and if legislators don't push forward these issues, the law can remain mired in the dark ages. As "property", the law only considers animals to be worth their replacement value, period. They don't "deserve respect" in the eyes of the law, because they are the equivalent of a lawn mower or chair. Of course this is totally out of step with the views of most Canadians and Americans, and other nationalities around the world, and there is the occasional judge who recognizes that fact, but you sure can't count on it when starting litigation. In the U.S., it is possible to initiate litigation for significant numbers, claiming punitive or aggravated damages, but I would guess that only in circumstances where a vet has been overtly and deliberately cruel would there be in the potential for someone to be successful in advancing those kinds of heads of damages. There was a discussion on my legal chatline some time ago, regarding an unpleasant divorce. The husband had promised to look after the wife's cats until she found a place to stay. Instead, he took her cats in to the local shelter. The shelter refused to let the woman know who had adopted the cats, or if they even had been adopted. The lawyer representing the wife was asking the rest of us lawyers, if there was anything he could do in terms of going after the husband for this nasty behaviour, and sure enough, all the lawyers told him that there was no legal basis to pursue damages related to what he had done. I was the only one on my chatline saying that if MY husband EVER handed over my cats during a family dispute, then he had been run and just keep on running. But that's taking the law into my own hands, of course. The courts are unlikely to do much, nor do they have the legal grounds to do something, even if they wanted to do so. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: October-25-15 8:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". > That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As property, > do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the very least. > Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, > respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he > can. Someone once said he would use them for target practice. I told > him he would be lying on the ground next to them. - I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is still with us, spayed, happy and loved. - Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk
Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"
Lorrie I completely agree with you, but the law often lags behind the views of society, and if legislators don't push forward these issues, the law can remain mired in the dark ages. As "property", the law only considers animals to be worth their replacement value, period. They don't "deserve respect" in the eyes of the law, because they are the equivalent of a lawn mower or chair. Of course this is totally out of step with the views of most Canadians and Americans, and other nationalities around the world, and there is the occasional judge who recognizes that fact, but you sure can't count on it when starting litigation. In the U.S., it is possible to initiate litigation for significant numbers, claiming punitive or aggravated damages, but I would guess that only in circumstances where a vet has been overtly and deliberately cruel would there be in the potential for someone to be successful in advancing those kinds of heads of damages. There was a discussion on my legal chatline some time ago, regarding an unpleasant divorce. The husband had promised to look after the wife's cats until she found a place to stay. Instead, he took her cats in to the local shelter. The shelter refused to let the woman know who had adopted the cats, or if they even had been adopted. The lawyer representing the wife was asking the rest of us lawyers, if there was anything he could do in terms of going after the husband for this nasty behaviour, and sure enough, all the lawyers told him that there was no legal basis to pursue damages related to what he had done. I was the only one on my chatline saying that if MY husband EVER handed over my cats during a family dispute, then he had been run and just keep on running. But that's taking the law into my own hands, of course. The courts are unlikely to do much, nor do they have the legal grounds to do something, even if they wanted to do so. Amani -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: October-25-15 8:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". > That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As property, > do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the very least. > Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, > respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he > can. Someone once said he would use them for target practice. I told > him he would be lying on the ground next to them. - I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is still with us, spayed, happy and loved. - Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"
On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". > That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As > property, do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the > very least. Any one tell me my cats are just property and not > deserving of love, respect and proper care had better be prepared > to run as fast as he can. Someone once said he would use them for > target practice. I told him he would be lying on the ground next > to them. - I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is still with us, spayed, happy and loved. - Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"
Bless you for that Lorrie -- I cannot understand people sometimes. It seems people either love or hate cats, not much in between. Glad I'm in the love em column :) -Original Message- From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of Lorrie Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:09 AM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". > That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As property, > do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the very least. > Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, > respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he > can. Someone once said he would use them for target practice. I told > him he would be lying on the ground next to them. - I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is still with us, spayed, happy and loved. - Lorrie ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property"
The problem is that those who do not love and respect animals, do not love and respect humans, were never taught the value of life. They go on to become a threat to the life of all. Ardy Robertson <ar...@centurytel.net> wrote: > Bless you for that Lorrie -- I cannot understand people sometimes. It seems > people either love or hate cats, not much in between. Glad I'm in the love > em column :) > > -Original Message- > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of > Lorrie > Sent: Sunday, October 25, 2015 7:09 AM > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Cats as "property" > > On 10-24, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: > > > It is a shame that cats and dogs, any animal is "just property". > > That reduces them to almost 'nothing in the law's eyes. As property, > > do they not have any value? They deserve respect at the very least. > > Any one tell me my cats are just property and not deserving of love, > > respect and proper care had better be prepared to run as fast as he > > can. Someone once said he would use them for target practice. I told > > him he would be lying on the ground next to them. > - > I rescue abandoned cats and kittens and last year I found a calico kitten > about 8 or 9 weeks old. She was walking down the street right in the middle > of town and this creep saw her at the same time and wanted to feed her to > his "pet python". Well you can be sure he didn't get this poor baby. She is > still with us, spayed, happy and loved. > - > Lorrie > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org > > > ___ > Felvtalk mailing list > Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org > http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
