Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 54

[kat]

Hi Bob,

 

No, it does not sound disrespectful - it sounds like you are trying to come to grips with the unfairness of it all.  There have been MANY kitties over the years that this group has been around that have succumbed before the age of 2, some never even made it to one year .

Yes, we have heard that there are various strains of the virus, and I suspect that some of them are more 'potent' than the others.  Also, a kitten's immune system is not as strong as/developed as an adult cat's, so they are more susceptible to any virus or bacteria. So besides trying to find ways to suppress the virus, it helps to find something that can boost the immune system - but I get the feeling from your other posts that you already know this. 

 

Several years ago we had a Candle Lighting ceremony for any of our kitties that have left us - it was run by one of our members - Belinda, but I believe it has 'gone global'.  If you go to our home page (http://www.felineleukemia.org/) you can click on the candle light service box on the left in the banner for more info. (some of the links no longer work, but you get the idea & the new links)

 

I wish you much peace & gentle healing for your 2 kitties.

 

Kat (Mew Jersey)

 

 

Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 at 7:35 PM
From: "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net>
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Cc: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 54

I hope this doesn't sound disrespectful... but I'm perplexed at all the
talk of  whether or not an animal has or does NOT have the virus at 8,
10 and 12 years old...   If an animal has lived this long it would
appear that he/she has a much milder form of the virus or a variant
about which little is known.  In truth though your cats have
already defied he odds and despite the sadness of having them (
potentially) have several years of life curtailed you will have had them
longer than the many Healthy cats I had a a youngster when it was not
uncommon for cats to die from any number of causes well before they were
10  years old. If my boys live until 8 or 10 I will consider it
miraculous!!..   The kind of FeLV+ that REALLY concerns me is the
kind that my own boys have passed from the Queen established to
have moved into their marrow in the first 7 months of their
lives...Symptomatic from the time they were Kittens   One looking (
yes there IS a "look" severely affected FeLV+ cats can have)  very much
like a cat that simply is not going to last very long it is heart
wrenching to hold his little 5.8 lb body and feel all his ribs and
backbone despite his eating heartily He is barely a year and one
half and has already had IBD, Uveitis,Melting Corneal Ulcer, Keratitis,
Multiple bouts of  Rhinitis, He is 70% blind.  I won't go on...  If
he weren't not in obvious pain I would have put him down by now...
but... he is a good natured little boy who still loves his food and his
treats and curls up with me to keep warm because his body weight is so
low.  I can't tell you how happy it would make me to have him show
weight gain or be able to play again...( He's been able to play perhaps
one month of the time I've had him and his brother can't understand why
he can't play and still attacks him hoping to have a partner in his
games..   this is not what I expected when I adoped these boys but I
learned quickly..  may really have to foster another FeLV+ just so
the healthier one leaves my disabled one alone. I've learned
quite a lot about the variants of FeLV since coming to this group but
honestly..  when I adopted these boys I never DREAMED of their
living to 8 years old and it seems quite a lot of people here are
discussing  cats in that age range..  I'm having a hard time even
internalizing that as FeLV...    Just wondering if there are many in the
group that have cats whose lives are being curtailed at VERY young ages
by this damnable Disease!!!


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Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 54

[Margo]

Sorry, no. Google does show it for sale, but I wouldn't be using an aloe vera product for catshttp://www.aspca.org/pet-care/animal-poison-control/toxic-and-non-toxic-plants/aloe-Original Message-
From: Tina Terrell <tisree...@gmail.com>
Sent: Dec 22, 2016 10:33 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 54

Hello:) Can anyone tell me where I can find Manapol or Premapol aloe?I am having amazing results but cannot find it for sale anymore.Thank you!On Dec 22, 2016 6:36 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL" <bcha...@optonline.net> wrote:I hope this doesn't sound disrespectful... but I'm perplexed at all the talk of  whether or not an animal has or does NOT have the virus at 8, 10 and 12 years old...   If an animal has lived this long it would appear that he/she has a much milder form of the virus or a variant about which little is known.  In truth though your cats have already defied he odds and despite the sadness of having them ( potentially) have several years of life curtailed you will have had them longer than the many Healthy cats I had a a youngster when it was not uncommon for cats to die from any number of causes well before they were 10  years old. If my boys live until 8 or 10 I will consider it miraculous!!..   The kind of FeLV+ that REALLY concerns me is the kind that my own boys have passed from the Queen established to have moved into their marrow in the first 7 months of their lives...Symptomatic from the time they were Kittens   One looking ( yes there IS a "look" severely affected FeLV+ cats can have)  very much like a cat that simply is not going to last very long it is heart wrenching to hold his little 5.8 lb body and feel all his ribs and backbone despite his eating heartily He is barely a year and one half and has already had IBD, Uveitis,Melting Corneal Ulcer, Keratitis, Multiple bouts of  Rhinitis, He is 70% blind.  I won't go on...  If he weren't not in obvious pain I would have put him down by now... but... he is a good natured little boy who still loves his food and his treats and curls up with me to keep warm because his body weight is so low.  I can't tell you how happy it would make me to have him show weight gain or be able to play again...( He's been able to play perhaps one month of the time I've had him and his brother can't understand why he can't play and still attacks him hoping to have a partner in his games..   this is not what I expected when I adoped these boys but I learned quickly..  may really have to foster another FeLV+ just so the healthier one leaves my disabled one alone. I've learned quite a lot about the variants of FeLV since coming to this group but honestly..  when I adopted these boys I never DREAMED of their living to 8 years old and it seems quite a lot of people here are discussing  cats in that age range..  I'm having a hard time even internalizing that as FeLV...    Just wondering if there are many in the group that have cats whose lives are being curtailed at VERY young ages by this damnable Disease!!!


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I think that there are many unknowns and that the virus can live in many forms.  I have had my cat for almost 8 years.  The last Elisa test on her before I took her in, at about 3 months, was negative (after an initial positive test).  At the time I already had a cat (1.5 yo) who was negative.  I was assured that she was negative and would not have Felv. They are both indoor cats and are not exposed to others.   So why after having her for so long,  does she now test Elisa positive and IFA negative?  Has the virus been dormant for 8 years?  I have researched on Internet and it seems that there are many unknowns.

It would have been impossible for me to separate my cats after 8 years together and the stress of keeping them apart would have been hard on them and me.  So they live together and my other cat is fine so far (he is vaccina

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 54

[Tina Terrell]

Hello:) Can anyone tell me where I can find Manapol or Premapol aloe?
I am having amazing results but cannot find it for sale anymore.
Thank you!

On Dec 22, 2016 6:36 PM, "ROBERT CHAPEL"  wrote:

> I hope this doesn't sound disrespectful... but I'm perplexed at all the
> talk of  whether or not an animal has or does NOT have the virus at 8, 10
> and 12 years old...   If an animal has lived this long it would appear that
> he/she has a much milder form of the virus or a variant about which little
> is known.  In truth though your cats have already defied he odds
> and despite the sadness of having them ( potentially) have several years of
> life curtailed you will have had them longer than the many Healthy cats I
> had a a youngster when it was not uncommon for cats to die from any number
> of causes well before they were 10  years old. If my boys live until 8
> or 10 I will consider it miraculous!!..   The kind of FeLV+ that REALLY
> concerns me is the kind that my own boys have passed from the Queen
> established to have moved into their marrow in the first 7 months of their
> lives...Symptomatic from the time they were Kittens   One looking ( yes
> there IS a "look" severely affected FeLV+ cats can have)  very much like a
> cat that simply is not going to last very long it is heart wrenching to
> hold his little 5.8 lb body and feel all his ribs and backbone despite his
> eating heartily He is barely a year and one half and has already had
> IBD, Uveitis,Melting Corneal Ulcer, Keratitis, Multiple bouts of  Rhinitis,
> He is 70% blind.  I won't go on...  If he weren't not in obvious pain I
> would have put him down by now... but... he is a good natured little boy
> who still loves his food and his treats and curls up with me to keep warm
> because his body weight is so low.  I can't tell you how happy it would
> make me to have him show weight gain or be able to play again...( He's been
> able to play perhaps one month of the time I've had him and his brother
> can't understand why he can't play and still attacks him hoping to have a
> partner in his games..   this is not what I expected when I adoped
> these boys but I learned quickly..  may really have to foster another
> FeLV+ just so the healthier one leaves my disabled one alone. I've
> learned quite a lot about the variants of FeLV since coming to this group
> but honestly..  when I adopted these boys I never DREAMED of their
> living to 8 years old and it seems quite a lot of people here are
> discussing  cats in that age range..  I'm having a hard time even
> internalizing that as FeLV...Just wondering if there are many in the
> group that have cats whose lives are being curtailed at VERY young ages by
> this damnable Disease!!!
>
>
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>> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:18:06 +
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>> I think that there are many unknowns and that the virus can live in many
>> forms.  I have had my cat for almost 8 years.  The last Elisa test on her
>> before I took her in, at about 3 months, was negative (after an initial
>> positive test).  At the time I already had a cat (1.5 yo) who was
>> negative.  I was assured that she was negative and would not have Felv.
>> They are both indoor cats and are not exposed to others.   So why after
>> having her for so long,  does she now test Elisa positive and IFA
>> negative?  Has the virus been dormant for 8 years?  I have researched on
>> Internet and it seems that there are many unknowns.
>>
>> It would have been impossible for me to separate my cats after 8 years
>> together and the stress of keeping them apart would have been hard on them
>> and me.  So they live together and my other cat is fine so far (he is
>> vaccinated).
>>
>>   I found the following on the website of the SNap test manufacturer
>> about discordant results and found the comment about true status not being
>> known to be interesting.
>>
>>
>> this is an ELISA-positive and IFA-negative 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 32, Issue 54

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I hope this doesn't sound disrespectful... but I'm perplexed at all the 
talk of  whether or not an animal has or does NOT have the virus at 8, 
10 and 12 years old...   If an animal has lived this long it would 
appear that he/she has a much milder form of the virus or a variant 
about which little is known.  In truth though your cats have 
already defied he odds and despite the sadness of having them ( 
potentially) have several years of life curtailed you will have had them 
longer than the many Healthy cats I had a a youngster when it was not 
uncommon for cats to die from any number of causes well before they were 
10  years old. If my boys live until 8 or 10 I will consider it 
miraculous!!..   The kind of FeLV+ that REALLY concerns me is the 
kind that my own boys have passed from the Queen established to 
have moved into their marrow in the first 7 months of their 
lives...Symptomatic from the time they were Kittens   One looking ( 
yes there IS a "look" severely affected FeLV+ cats can have)  very much 
like a cat that simply is not going to last very long it is heart 
wrenching to hold his little 5.8 lb body and feel all his ribs and 
backbone despite his eating heartily He is barely a year and one 
half and has already had IBD, Uveitis,Melting Corneal Ulcer, Keratitis, 
Multiple bouts of  Rhinitis, He is 70% blind.  I won't go on...  If 
he weren't not in obvious pain I would have put him down by now... 
but... he is a good natured little boy who still loves his food and his 
treats and curls up with me to keep warm because his body weight is so 
low.  I can't tell you how happy it would make me to have him show 
weight gain or be able to play again...( He's been able to play perhaps 
one month of the time I've had him and his brother can't understand why 
he can't play and still attacks him hoping to have a partner in his 
games..   this is not what I expected when I adoped these boys but I 
learned quickly..  may really have to foster another FeLV+ just so 
the healthier one leaves my disabled one alone. I've learned 
quite a lot about the variants of FeLV since coming to this group but 
honestly..  when I adopted these boys I never DREAMED of their 
living to 8 years old and it seems quite a lot of people here are 
discussing  cats in that age range..  I'm having a hard time even 
internalizing that as FeLV...    Just wondering if there are many in the 
group that have cats whose lives are being curtailed at VERY young ages 
by this damnable Disease!!!



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From: Corinne Shank To: "felvtalk@felineleukemia.org" Subject: Re: 
[Felvtalk] Negative IFA test

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I think that there are many unknowns and that the virus can live in 
many forms.  I have had my cat for almost 8 years.  The last Elisa 
test on her before I took her in, at about 3 months, was negative 
(after an initial positive test).  At the time I already had a cat 
(1.5 yo) who was negative.  I was assured that she was negative and 
would not have Felv. They are both indoor cats and are not exposed to 
others.   So why after having her for so long,  does she now test 
Elisa positive and IFA negative?  Has the virus been dormant for 8 
years?  I have researched on Internet and it seems that there are many 
unknowns.


It would have been impossible for me to separate my cats after 8 years 
together and the stress of keeping them apart would have been hard on 
them and me.  So they live together and my other cat is fine so far 
(he is vaccinated).


  I found the following on the website of the SNap test manufacturer 
about discordant results and found the comment about true status not 
being known to be interesting.



this is an ELISA-positive and IFA-negative status. Discordant results 
may be due to the stage of infection, the variability of host 
responses, or technical problems with testing. The status of the cat 
with discordant results may eventually become clear by repeating both 
tests in 60 d and yearly thereafter until the test results agree. 
Unfortunately, a substantial number of these patients have 
persistently