Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
HARLEY KNOWS THAT WHEN COONS COME UP ON THE DECK, HE HAEDS FOR A HIGH PERCH AND SCRATCHES AT THE WINDOW. HE WILL NOT TRY TO FIGHT WITH THEM. Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: While I don;t neccesarily disagree with your choice, I would keep in mind that some diseases remain in the soil for years (Panleukopenia is probably the worst). A rabid anial may well behave so differently that it will come on your deck during the day. Your decision, of course. Margo -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Aug 14, 2014 8:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 THAT IS WHY I HAVE BACKED OFF FROM VACCINATIONS. ONLY HARLEY GOES OUT AND HE STAYS NEAR THE HOUSE AND ON THE DECK. THE OTHERS WILL GO OUT AND LAY IN THE SUN ON THE DECK SO I CANNOT SEE PUTTING THEM THROUGH A POSSIBLE REACTION WHEN THEY DO NOT COME INTO CONTACT WITH DOGS OR CATS AND THEY ARE INSIDE WHEN THE RACOONS COME OUT AT NIGHT. Maya D'Alessio mde...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is anecdotal, and not properly tested evidence, but my cat went from completely healthy on Monday, got her vaccinations (including for FeLV because we didn't know she had it). By Thursday evening she was gravely ill, and we had to put her down Saturday morning. I 100% believe that the immunization caused her to have an intense immune reaction, which depleted all of her remaining immune system. She would have passed away eventually, she was ill. But her response was so immediate and so intense. I am very wary to give my other FeLV+ cat any immunizations other than rabies which I view as very necessary. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Kat, Thanks so much for your reply. Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue with pos. cats or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share? Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos. test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that point) and as she was chasing him around and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the local animal control and he had to be quarantined for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways. He had received his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this so they said it wouldn't be effective yetI was worried that if he had a chance to throw the virus off he would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine. He now is very sweet but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will get rabies, but never want him to have to be quarantined again! Thanks so much! Shelley On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
Really? I've never run into that, but maybe I just stayed away from them for other reasons. Sounds like they ae in it for the money. Because most of mine came from rescue situations, there vaccination status was unknown. I can't remember it ever being an issue when the cat needed help. Margo -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Aug 14, 2014 7:44 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Cc: Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 SOME VETS WILL NOT TREAT AN UNVACCINATED CAT, POS OR NOT. Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org javascript:; You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org javascript:; When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net javascript:;) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net javascript:;) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net javascript:; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net javascript:; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I never realized that until a few years ago. I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably just do the rabies though for now. Shelley On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm javascript:; wrote: I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough. If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma (we used to call them vax site sarcomas). Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and protective cat parent. Best wishes for you and Leo, Lance On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net javascript:; wrote: Hi All, I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about how everyone feels about vaccinating their Leukemia pos. cats in general. The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is caused cats to become ill afterwards. I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the Purevax like I did last year, but he has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first got him and he was neutered and I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards. At the time I thought he was a feral cat, he actually was, but has since become quite tame. Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the cautionary emails on the subject. I guess my only worry is that he will be more susceptible in a vet clinic when he goes
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
While I don;t neccesarily disagree with your choice, I would keep in mind that some diseases remain in the soil for years (Panleukopenia is probably the worst). A rabid anial may well behave so differently that it will come on your deck during the day. Your decision, of course. Margo -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Aug 14, 2014 8:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 THAT IS WHY I HAVE BACKED OFF FROM VACCINATIONS. ONLY HARLEY GOES OUT AND HE STAYS NEAR THE HOUSE AND ON THE DECK. THE OTHERS WILL GO OUT AND LAY IN THE SUN ON THE DECK SO I CANNOT SEE PUTTING THEM THROUGH A POSSIBLE REACTION WHEN THEY DO NOT COME INTO CONTACT WITH DOGS OR CATS AND THEY ARE INSIDE WHEN THE RACOONS COME OUT AT NIGHT. Maya D'Alessio mde...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is anecdotal, and not properly tested evidence, but my cat went from completely healthy on Monday, got her vaccinations (including for FeLV because we didn't know she had it). By Thursday evening she was gravely ill, and we had to put her down Saturday morning. I 100% believe that the immunization caused her to have an intense immune reaction, which depleted all of her remaining immune system. She would have passed away eventually, she was ill. But her response was so immediate and so intense. I am very wary to give my other FeLV+ cat any immunizations other than rabies which I view as very necessary. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Kat, Thanks so much for your reply. Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue with pos. cats or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share? Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos. test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that point) and as she was chasing him around and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the local animal control and he had to be quarantined for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways. He had received his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this so they said it wouldn't be effective yetI was worried that if he had a chance to throw the virus off he would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine. He now is very sweet but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will get rabies, but never want him to have to be quarantined again! Thanks so much! Shelley On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me know that Ember
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Maya, I am so so sorry to hear this sad news about your cat. I can understand why you would be so nervous about ever vaccinating again. Thank you for sharing this. Shelley On Aug 14, 2014, at 3:20 PM, Maya D'Alessio mde...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is anecdotal, and not properly tested evidence, but my cat went from completely healthy on Monday, got her vaccinations (including for FeLV because we didn't know she had it). By Thursday evening she was gravely ill, and we had to put her down Saturday morning. I 100% believe that the immunization caused her to have an intense immune reaction, which depleted all of her remaining immune system. She would have passed away eventually, she was ill. But her response was so immediate and so intense. I am very wary to give my other FeLV+ cat any immunizations other than rabies which I view as very necessary. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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Hi Jen, I know this is a super difficult time for you, please don't apologize... thank you for finding out the FVRCP vaccine brand, I'll check it out. Hope Brynn's fatty area turns out to be nothing, hugs to you all. Shelley On Aug 15, 2014, at 12:09 AM, Jennifer Lewis blonded...@mac.com wrote: Shelley, I'm sorry I've been out of touch. These past weeks have been very hard for us. Smoosh's FVRCP was from Pfizer called FELOCELL. She had no reaction to the shots, and I got them through one of my rescues. Again, we did not do rabies as she wasn't going anywhere once she came to us, but Brynn had hers as she was originally supposed to go to a sanctuary and the law required it. Brynn has started to develop a fatty something on her side( I don't think it's a vac site) . We are monitoring it closely. She is so lonely without Smoosh. I'm really not sure who misses her the most, although I suspect it might be me. Jen On Aug 14, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Shelley Theye wrote: Hi Kat, Thanks so much for your reply. Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue with pos. cats or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share? Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos. test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that point) and as she was chasing him around and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the local animal control and he had to be quarantined for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways. He had received his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this so they said it wouldn't be effective yetI was worried that if he had a chance to throw the virus off he would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine. He now is very sweet but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will get rabies, but never want him to have to be quarantined again! Thanks so much! Shelley On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I never realized that until a few years ago. I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably just do the rabies though for now. Shelley On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto Vetinfo to see what other vets are
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Vets who have a boarding service will require vaccinations before boarding the animal, as will any boarding facility. Marsha On 8/15/2014 5:49 AM, Margo wrote: Really? I've never run into that, but maybe I just stayed away from them for other reasons. Sounds like they ae in it for the money. Because most of mine came from rescue situations, there vaccination status was unknown. I can't remember it ever being an issue when the cat needed help. ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org
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TRUE, WE DO HAVE RACCOONS, SQUIRRELS AND POSSUM THAT COME ON THE DECK, MOSTLY AT NIGHT. HARLEY IS ALWAYS IN BEFORE SUNSET TO AVOID CONTACT WITH THEM. SQUIRRELS , ACTUALLY, ONLY COME IF THERE IS SUNFLOWER SEED FOR THE BIRDS. I AM MOVING MY FEEDERS OFF THE DECK MOSTLY BECAUSE THE COONS TEAR UP THE BOARDS TRYING TO GET TO FALLEN SEED. HAD TO REPLACE A LOT OF BOARDS THIS YEAR THANKS TO THEM. Margo toomanykitti...@earthlink.net wrote: While I don;t neccesarily disagree with your choice, I would keep in mind that some diseases remain in the soil for years (Panleukopenia is probably the worst). A rabid anial may well behave so differently that it will come on your deck during the day. Your decision, of course. Margo -Original Message- From: dlg...@windstream.net Sent: Aug 14, 2014 8:02 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6 THAT IS WHY I HAVE BACKED OFF FROM VACCINATIONS. ONLY HARLEY GOES OUT AND HE STAYS NEAR THE HOUSE AND ON THE DECK. THE OTHERS WILL GO OUT AND LAY IN THE SUN ON THE DECK SO I CANNOT SEE PUTTING THEM THROUGH A POSSIBLE REACTION WHEN THEY DO NOT COME INTO CONTACT WITH DOGS OR CATS AND THEY ARE INSIDE WHEN THE RACOONS COME OUT AT NIGHT. Maya D'Alessio mde...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is anecdotal, and not properly tested evidence, but my cat went from completely healthy on Monday, got her vaccinations (including for FeLV because we didn't know she had it). By Thursday evening she was gravely ill, and we had to put her down Saturday morning. I 100% believe that the immunization caused her to have an intense immune reaction, which depleted all of her remaining immune system. She would have passed away eventually, she was ill. But her response was so immediate and so intense. I am very wary to give my other FeLV+ cat any immunizations other than rabies which I view as very necessary. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Kat, Thanks so much for your reply. Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue with pos. cats or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share? Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos. test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that point) and as she was chasing him around and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the local animal control and he had to be quarantined for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways. He had received his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this so they said it wouldn't be effective yetI was worried that if he had a chance to throw the virus off he would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine. He now is very sweet but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will get rabies, but never want him to have to be quarantined again! Thanks so much! Shelley On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net
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On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org javascript:; You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org javascript:; When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net javascript:;) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net javascript:;) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net javascript:; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net javascript:; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I never realized that until a few years ago. I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably just do the rabies though for now. Shelley On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm javascript:; wrote: I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough. If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma (we used to call them vax site sarcomas). Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and protective cat parent. Best wishes for you and Leo, Lance On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net javascript:; wrote: Hi All, I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about how everyone feels about vaccinating their Leukemia pos. cats in general. The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is caused cats to become ill afterwards. I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the Purevax like I did last year, but he has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first got him and he was neutered and I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards. At the time I thought he was a feral cat, he actually was, but has since become quite tame. Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the cautionary emails on the subject. I guess my only worry is that he will be more susceptible in a vet clinic when he goes in for a check up for for treatment if he doesn't have that vaccine, so just would like to throw this out there again for thoughts on this subject. Also, is there a certain type of FVRCP that might be less dangerous, etc? I have done some reading on Dr. Lisa Pierson's website, and sounds like he should maybe have at least 2 vaccines as an adult and then can stop. Am I overthinking this? Thanks for any advice. So far, knock on wood, he is doing great, though he is lonely, but I think since he was initially semi-feral, the quiet lifestyle suits him. we built him a nice mini screened porch/large window box which he really enjoys and spend time with him daily. Best, Shelley ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org ___ Felvtalk mailing list Felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 16:52:09 -0500 From: dlg...@windstream.net javascript:; To:
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org javascript:; You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org javascript:; When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net javascript:;) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net javascript:;) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net javascript:; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net javascript:; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I never realized that until a few years ago. I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably just do the rabies though for now. Shelley On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm javascript:; wrote: I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough. If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma (we used to call them vax site sarcomas). Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and protective cat parent. Best wishes for you and Leo, Lance On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net javascript:; wrote: Hi All, I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about how everyone feels about vaccinating their Leukemia pos. cats in general. The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is caused cats to become ill afterwards. I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the Purevax like I did last year, but he has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first got him and he was neutered and I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards. At the time I thought he was a feral cat, he actually was, but has since become quite tame. Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the cautionary emails on the subject. I guess my only worry is that he will be more susceptible in a vet clinic when he goes in for a check up for for treatment if he doesn't have that vaccine, so just would like to throw this out there again for thoughts on this subject. Also, is there a certain type of FVRCP that might be less dangerous, etc? I have done some reading on Dr. Lisa Pierson's website, and sounds like he should maybe have at least 2 vaccines as an adult and then can stop. Am I overthinking this? Thanks for any advice. So far, knock on wood, he is doing great, though he is lonely, but I think since he was initially semi-feral, the quiet lifestyle suits him. we built him a nice mini screened porch/large window box which he really enjoys and spend time with him daily. Best, Shelley
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
Hi Kat, Thanks so much for your reply. Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue with pos. cats or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share? Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos. test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that point) and as she was chasing him around and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the local animal control and he had to be quarantined for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways. He had received his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this so they said it wouldn't be effective yetI was worried that if he had a chance to throw the virus off he would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine. He now is very sweet but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will get rabies, but never want him to have to be quarantined again! Thanks so much! Shelley On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I never realized that until a few years ago. I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably just do the rabies though for now. Shelley On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough. If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma (we used to call them vax site sarcomas). Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and protective cat parent. Best wishes for you and Leo, Lance On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi All, I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about how everyone feels about vaccinating their Leukemia pos. cats in general. The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is caused cats to become ill afterwards. I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the Purevax like I
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
I know this is anecdotal, and not properly tested evidence, but my cat went from completely healthy on Monday, got her vaccinations (including for FeLV because we didn't know she had it). By Thursday evening she was gravely ill, and we had to put her down Saturday morning. I 100% believe that the immunization caused her to have an intense immune reaction, which depleted all of her remaining immune system. She would have passed away eventually, she was ill. But her response was so immediate and so intense. I am very wary to give my other FeLV+ cat any immunizations other than rabies which I view as very necessary. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Kat, Thanks so much for your reply. Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue with pos. cats or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share? Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos. test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that point) and as she was chasing him around and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the local animal control and he had to be quarantined for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways. He had received his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this so they said it wouldn't be effective yetI was worried that if he had a chance to throw the virus off he would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine. He now is very sweet but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will get rabies, but never want him to have to be quarantined again! Thanks so much! Shelley On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I never realized that until a few years ago. I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably just do the rabies though for now. Shelley On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough. If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
SOME VETS WILL NOT TREAT AN UNVACCINATED CAT, POS OR NOT. Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org javascript:; You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org javascript:; When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net javascript:;) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net javascript:;) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net javascript:; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net javascript:; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I never realized that until a few years ago. I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably just do the rabies though for now. Shelley On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm javascript:; wrote: I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough. If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma (we used to call them vax site sarcomas). Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and protective cat parent. Best wishes for you and Leo, Lance On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net javascript:; wrote: Hi All, I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about how everyone feels about vaccinating their Leukemia pos. cats in general. The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is caused cats to become ill afterwards. I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the Purevax like I did last year, but he has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first got him and he was neutered and I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards. At the time I thought he was a feral cat, he actually was, but has since become quite tame. Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the cautionary emails on the subject. I guess my only worry is that he will be more susceptible in a vet clinic when he goes in for a check up for for treatment if he doesn't have that vaccine, so just would like to throw this out there again for thoughts on this subject. Also, is there a certain type of FVRCP that might be less dangerous, etc? I have done some reading on Dr. Lisa Pierson's website, and sounds like he should maybe have at least 2 vaccines as an adult and then can stop. Am I overthinking this? Thanks for any advice. So far, knock on wood, he is doing great, though he is lonely, but I
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
THAT IS WHY I HAVE BACKED OFF FROM VACCINATIONS. ONLY HARLEY GOES OUT AND HE STAYS NEAR THE HOUSE AND ON THE DECK. THE OTHERS WILL GO OUT AND LAY IN THE SUN ON THE DECK SO I CANNOT SEE PUTTING THEM THROUGH A POSSIBLE REACTION WHEN THEY DO NOT COME INTO CONTACT WITH DOGS OR CATS AND THEY ARE INSIDE WHEN THE RACOONS COME OUT AT NIGHT. Maya D'Alessio mde...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is anecdotal, and not properly tested evidence, but my cat went from completely healthy on Monday, got her vaccinations (including for FeLV because we didn't know she had it). By Thursday evening she was gravely ill, and we had to put her down Saturday morning. I 100% believe that the immunization caused her to have an intense immune reaction, which depleted all of her remaining immune system. She would have passed away eventually, she was ill. But her response was so immediate and so intense. I am very wary to give my other FeLV+ cat any immunizations other than rabies which I view as very necessary. On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:04 PM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Kat, Thanks so much for your reply. Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue with pos. cats or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share? Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos. test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that point) and as she was chasing him around and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the local animal control and he had to be quarantined for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways. He had received his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this so they said it wouldn't be effective yetI was worried that if he had a chance to throw the virus off he would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine. He now is very sweet but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will get rabies, but never want him to have to be quarantined again! Thanks so much! Shelley On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I never realized that until a few years ago. I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably just do the rabies though for now. Shelley
Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 5, Issue 6
Shelley, I'm sorry I've been out of touch. These past weeks have been very hard for us. Smoosh's FVRCP was from Pfizer called FELOCELL. She had no reaction to the shots, and I got them through one of my rescues. Again, we did not do rabies as she wasn't going anywhere once she came to us, but Brynn had hers as she was originally supposed to go to a sanctuary and the law required it. Brynn has started to develop a fatty something on her side( I don't think it's a vac site) . We are monitoring it closely. She is so lonely without Smoosh. I'm really not sure who misses her the most, although I suspect it might be me. Jen On Aug 14, 2014, at 12:04 PM, Shelley Theye wrote: Hi Kat, Thanks so much for your reply. Do you have any references or a website that covers the vaccination issue with pos. cats or are you speaking from personal experience, if so, can you share? Also, can you explain about the 'antbody problem that pos. cats have? Leo actually had to be quarantined for rabies when I first got him, long story, but I was having him retested for FeLV after his first pos. test, and the tech handled him roughly (he was still semi-feral at that point) and as she was chasing him around and trying to grab him with a towel he bit her, so she filed that with the local animal control and he had to be quarantined for 10 days, which was so upsetting in a number of ways. He had received his first Rabies vacc. less than 10 days prior to this so they said it wouldn't be effective yetI was worried that if he had a chance to throw the virus off he would lose that chance with the stress of quarantine. He now is very sweet but still afraid of anything new, so I guess I am just paranoid about the whole rabies thing, not so much that he will get rabies, but never want him to have to be quarantined again! Thanks so much! Shelley On Aug 14, 2014, at 1:22 PM, Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I never realized that until a few years ago. I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably just do the rabies though for now. Shelley On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm wrote: I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough. If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the
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Okay, no need to shout lol Personally, if my vet wouldn't treat my positive unvaxxed for rabies cat, I'd find a different vet. But, vet issue aside, i totally understand her stance since the bat but her cat. Totally. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, dlg...@windstream.net wrote: SOME VETS WILL NOT TREAT AN UNVACCINATED CAT, POS OR NOT. Kat Parker korruptaki...@gmail.com javascript:; wrote: Why do the rabies? I would do the fvrcp before the rabies and i won't so either one. If your cat is not outside at all, which especially with being positive i think not, and you don't have rabid animals around, again, probably not the case, why on earth would you give a rabies shot to a positive cat? The law is ot going to be enforced in your home it's not a big deal, but over vaccinating a positive cat is a big deal. They have that antibody problem of course and rabies vaccines are done to develop antibodies. On Thursday, August 14, 2014, felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org javascript:; wrote: Send Felvtalk mailing list submissions to felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; javascript:; To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://felineleukemia.org/mailman/listinfo/felvtalk_felineleukemia.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to felvtalk-requ...@felineleukemia.org javascript:; javascript:; You can reach the person managing the list at felvtalk-ow...@felineleukemia.org javascript:; javascript:; When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Felvtalk digest... Today's Topics: 1. Re: fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? (Shelley Theye) 2. Re: New have question (dlg...@windstream.net javascript:; javascript:;) 3. Re: FELV contagious (dlg...@windstream.net javascript:; javascript:;) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2014 13:44:06 -0400 From: Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net javascript:; javascript:; To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org javascript:; javascript:; Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] fvrcp vaccines- yes or no? Message-ID: 79d7a665-5346-488d-90a8-62c6c5664...@bellsouth.net javascript:; javascript:; Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi Lance, I am not sure! I will ask her. She is pretty great. Didn't even consider euth. when he tested positive. Went ahead and neutered Leo and told me the news later that day. I just keep thinking about what the folks on this list said last year when I asked, that their cats became sick after vaccinating. Thanks for letting me know that Ember did OK without vaccines at the vet clinic. I don't know if they make a purevax FVRCP. We will do the Rabies, and vet said to wait at least 2 weeks between vaccines if do the FVRCP. I thought that was good of her to suggest too, because it is better not to do them all at once. I never realized that until a few years ago. I'll let you all know if I find out anything on this, will probably just do the rabies though for now. Shelley On Aug 11, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lance lini...@fastmail.fm javascript:; javascript:; wrote: I wish I had an answer for you. Would your vet be willing to log onto Vetinfo to see what other vets are recommending for FeLV cats? I seem to recall that Ember?s vet recommended that she be vaccinated, but we never did that. Despite her low white count, she never picked anything up at the vet?s office as far as I know. Even the dentals didn?t weaken her enough. If Purevax makes an FVRCP vaccine, that might be the better one to go with. It is supposed to have less possibility of causing a fibrosarcoma (we used to call them vax site sarcomas). Also, you?re not overthinking this. You?re being a good and protective cat parent. Best wishes for you and Leo, Lance On Aug 11, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Shelley Theye ve...@bellsouth.net javascript:; javascript:; wrote: Hi All, I asked last year when Leo was due for his yearly check-up, about how everyone feels about vaccinating their Leukemia pos. cats in general. The replies I received cautioned not to vaccinate for FVRCP, that is caused cats to become ill afterwards. I have to get Leo vacc. for rabies since it is the law, will do the Purevax like I did last year, but he has only received one FVRCP vacc. back in summer 2012, when I first got him and he was neutered and I wasn't told about his FeLV status until afterwards. At the time I thought he was a feral cat, he actually was, but has since become quite tame. Last year, in 2013, I opted not to do the FVRCP, because of the cautionary emails on the subject. I guess my only worry is that
