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Hi Michelle, It will work for your Ginger it work for my Fantasia who had a very server stomatitis. He owuld cry when it ate it hurt so much. But I took him to a Vet Dentist whoi specialised in Stomatitis.My fantasia lasted from the year 1999 when I was tooked he had FeLv and then in August of 2004 he left me to go over the bridge to wait for me until I am done with his brothers and sisters. -Original Message-From: Belinda Sauro [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.orgSent: Wed, 11 May 2005 09:22:07 -0700Subject: Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger Michelle, Hi, yes it was my Bailey that had all but his canines and tiny insisors in between pulled. Just make sure the dental included pulling the roots and cleaning out the cavities, otherwise she may still have a problem. I just found out from one of my other lists late yesterday from a girl who's cat had sever stomastitis that it is a good idea to have dentals done by specialists who do dentals only because they know to clean the cavities. I need to ask my vet if this was done. I know the roots were pulled but didn't know about the cavities needing to be cleaned out.Prayers for her to feel much better and start eating soon :)-- BelindaHappiness is being owned by cats ...Be-Mi-Kitties ...http://www.bemikitties.comPost Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittenshttp://adopt.bemikitties.comFeLV Candle Light Servicehttp://www.bemikitties.com/clsHostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design)http://HostDesign4U.com---BMK Designs (non-profit web sites)http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Ginger was treated by a dental specialist. To my knowldge she does not have stomatitis, just a bunch of really bad teeth. One of them was so loose the vet was able to wiggle it with her fingers. Michelle In a message dated 5/11/05 12:22:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, Hi, yes it was my Bailey that had all but his canines and tiny insisors in between pulled. Just make sure the dental included pulling the roots and cleaning out the cavities, otherwise she may still have a problem. I just found out from one of my other lists late yesterday from a girl who's cat had sever stomastitis that it is a good idea to have dentals done by specialists who do dentals only because they know to clean the cavities. I need to ask my vet if this was done. I know the roots were pulled but didn't know about the cavities needing to be cleaned out. Prayers for her to feel much better and start eating soon :)
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Michelle, What happened with Ginger at the internist's yesterday? Sending healing prayers to Ginger, Fern and Pepsi, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thank you! I put it on my list to ask the internist tomorrow! Michelle
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Michelle I feel for you I am so sorry you both had to go through this, the next few weeks are probally going to be tense and I am sending all good healing positve vibes for a full recovery...keep us informed... Cherie[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The internist wanted to do an ultrasound but did not expect to find anything on it, and thought her mouth was horrible. So I passed on the ultrasoud and got her dental work today. She needed 10 teeth extracted, so I am hoping that is what her problem was. She still does not want to eat, but she did just have major mouth surgery today and also ha 2 hours of anesthesia. Please pray/send energy for her, both to get through the surgery and aftermath without triggering the virus, and also that her mouth is her only problem and that it clear up.Thanks,MichelleIn a message dated 5/10/05 1:24:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle,What happened with Ginger at the internist's yesterday? Sending healing prayers to Ginger, Fern and Pepsi,Nina Have a purrfect day Cherie
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Dear Michelle I just logged on to ask you about Ginger, so I'm glad to find your update. Am praying as hard as I can that today's surgery does solve the problem, and she's able to start eating again as soon as her poor mouth recovers from the surgery. (I wonder how long that normally takes?) I hope you both get some rest tonight now that at least today's medical ordeal is over. Sending Ginger lots of healing vibes...I'm assuming she's still in the clinic where they can keep a close eye on her? lots of love and hugs to you both, Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 8:06 PM Subject: Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger The internist wanted to do an ultrasound but did not expect to find anything on it, and thought her mouth was horrible. So I passed on the ultrasoud and got her dental work today. She needed 10 teeth extracted, so I am hoping that is what her problem was. She still does not want to eat, but she did just have major mouth surgery today and also ha 2 hours of anesthesia. Please pray/send energy for her, both to get through the surgery and aftermath without triggering the virus, and also that her mouth is her only problem and that it clear up. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 5/10/05 1:24:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, What happened with Ginger at the internist's yesterday? Sending healing prayers to Ginger, Fern and Pepsi, Nina
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Oh poor Ginger! 10 teeth all at once. Are they keeping her dopey on pain meds? Wasn't Belinda just saying how one of her positives had most of her teeth removed, recovered and has been doing fine ever since? Come on Ginger, stay strong baby. Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The internist wanted to do an ultrasound but did not expect to find anything on it, and thought her mouth was horrible. So I passed on the ultrasoud and got her dental work today. She needed 10 teeth extracted, so I am hoping that is what her problem was. She still does not want to eat, but she did just have major mouth surgery today and also ha 2 hours of anesthesia. Please pray/send energy for her, both to get through the surgery and aftermath without triggering the virus, and also that her mouth is her only problem and that it clear up. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 5/10/05 1:24:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michelle, What happened with Ginger at the internist's yesterday? Sending healing prayers to Ginger, Fern and Pepsi, Nina
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Yes bailey also tested positive for bartonella and was on antibiotics (zithromiacyn I think is the preferred one if they are positive for bartonella), accupunture, different chinese herbs none of these things completely resolved his mouth issues, only pulling his teeth completely cleared it up. In all fairness he was on different antibiotics and other things for over 6 months steadily losing weight, it did help some, his lymph nodes went down but not completely, that's why we finally decided to pull his teeth it was the last resort so to speak, thank God it worked. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
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Thank you! I put it on my list to ask the internist tomorrow! Michelle In a message dated 5/8/05 3:19:28 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm behind, and I hope this message finds Ginger feeling better. I wanted to mention something about Ginger's mouth. I wrote a while back about 2 of my negatives who were having mouth problems. They had dentals, and within a month their breath was just awful again. When I took them to the vet they had infected gums. The vet said she wanted to test them for bartonella (not hemobartonella). They tested positive and she put them on 21 days of azithromycin. Now their gums have healed up and are not inflamed or infected I can absolutely not even smell their breath at all! The doctor said that they are finding more and more that chronic mouth problems are helped by this. The test took about a week. I don't know where they had to send it. From what I understand it's kind of like hemobart in that the antibiotic doesn't completely rid their bodies of the bartonella, but decreases the amount present. She mentioned other infections that have reacted well to this, but I really didn't pay attention as we were not dealing with anything else. Just an idea.
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I just remembered something else Gypsy would eat when she would only take liquids. I mixed up some KMR and mixed in some salmon oil. She'd lap that up when she wouldn't eat anything else. Nina
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mr. bean (my postiive who has since turned negative) started terrible drooling(and then slurping up the spittle or even more fun, shaking his head and spraying me) and could not eat even his canned food. tookhim to vet and he had terribly inflamed gums. the meds didn't help so he started pulling teeth. that's when i went online and started researching and found out about stomatitis and leukemia. told the vet test him and sure enough, he ws postiive. the teeth pulling helped along with the med antirobe aquadrops-liquid clindamycin hydrochloride. i also started him on megaC plus and vit e, a and d, my chinese alt. med vet had him on immune booster pills and oh heck i forget what the white powder stuff was called but i got it from glyconutrients co. online when discovered it much cheaper there. I am so sorry you are having so much stress now worrying about all your beloved animals. wish I was closer so could help somehow. the teeth problem could also be making her nauseous which might account for lack of appetite. did you look thru the www.holisticat.com archives for any help? regards Barbara I am hoping this all just has to do with her mouth and can be resolved, but I really am worried. **Has anyone had a cat with dental disease completely stop eating and do the lip licking thing when you try to give food???*** Thanks, Michelle
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Belinda, could you see the stomatitis, i.e. when you opened his mouth were the ulcers obvious? Because I can't see any. Though I can't see under her tongue. Michelle In a message dated 5/6/05 10:35:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, I'm sorry Gunger is having such a hard time. When bailey's stomastisis was at it's worse he was losing weight, he didn't stop eating completely but he was eating much less that was OK, and after he had lost about a pound over a month or so is when I decided none of the other things we were trying were working and we pulled his teeth. Bad teeth can cause serious infections, and if it is bad enough probably hurts enough to make eating painful. I know a tooth ache is one of the few things I can't tolerate well and I have a very high pain tolerence. Are you planning on getting her teeth cleaned soon?
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It started before the antibiotics, but it's true she hasn't eaten that much., Michelle In a message dated 5/6/05 10:41:26 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The lip licking could be because her tummy has alot of acid from not eating very much. Also if she is on antibiotics she may be nauseated from that.
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going thru my cat care books. one mentions Biodent-a good general nutritional supplement to benefit the mouth.a human product but vet can order. contains bone meal, carrot powder, spleen and other nutrients that create a healthier chemisty in tissue of mouth. takes time to work. for inflamed gums, the topical application of an herbal combinatin called Echinacea-goldenseal supreme by gaia herbs-saurate a Q tip with the liquid and run along gum line once a day or if condition severe, twice a day. (tho as I recall, echinacea made my cats foam at mouth...the taste.) anitra frzier mentions an herbal remedy to soothe and heal sore and bleeding gums--add 1/4 teaspooon salt to 1/2 cup strong lukewarm calendula and pat on gums with a cotton ball. herbal remedies are usualy taken 3-4 times a day, one to two teaspoons of tea for a cat, 1/2 t. for a kitten. another book mentions calendula for general gum care-purchase a bottle of the mother tincture-put 6 drops in 1 oz of distilled water --if gums are infected already, use a cotton swab padded with extra cotton(from a cotton ball)so tht it soaks up the liquid. (brushing would only irritate gums more). cover both inside and outside of the gums(I guess they mean both sides of the teeth)with the calendula. hope some of this helps. calendula is usually easy to find in a good health food store. interesting footnotes that the vets seem to feel they see teeth problems more in certain breeds and colors. redheaded cats have more gingivitis than other cats. purebreds more at risk-tho maine coons have less problems than abyssinians and persians. My Mr. Bean is red and he ws the first one to exhibit the gum and tooth problems. barbara - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 12:19 PM Subject: Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger I am taking her to an internist on Monday, and also plan to call Monday morning to the veterinary dentist office near here to get her an emergency appointment if necessary. I want to talk to the internist first, in case there is something going on with that lymph node in her chest, but I am thinking more and more that it is her teeth (and hoping that is what it is). She is extremely playful, back to jumping some after I got food into her (maybe she was weak from not having much food in her), and very happy. She also tries to eat a little piece or lick and then just licks her mouth and lips. When she plays and bites on whatever she is playing with, she does the same thing with her mouth. So I am starting to think her gums just hurt a lot. I also read that protein in the urine can come from bad gum infections. Michelle In a message dated 5/6/05 10:35:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, I'm sorry Gunger is having such a hard time. When bailey's stomastisis was at it's worse he was losing weight, he didn't stop eating completely but he was eating much less that was OK, and after he had lost about a pound over a month or so is when I decided none of the other things we were trying were working and we pulled his teeth. Bad teeth can cause serious infections, and if it is bad enough probably hurts enough to make eating painful. I know a tooth ache is one of the few things I can't tolerate well and I have a very high pain tolerence. Are you planning on getting her teeth cleaned soon?
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Dear Michelle I'm coming in late, and I'm very sorry to hear Ginger is not eating--I know how panic-inducing that is. If it's any consolation, she does sound in much better shape (her test results so far, fact she's playing) than Levi was when he stopped eating. With the little experience I have, I would venture that Ginger's mouth is the problem--if her mouth is very sore from inflamed gums and/or ulcers as Levi's turned out to be, then that would deter Ginger from eating. (I can't be sure because memory plays tricks, but the lip-licking thing rings bells re Levi--I seem to remember him doing that at his non-eating stage.) It's great that you managed to get food into Ginger. I really really hope and pray that continues. I hope also that some of the remedies already suggested help. I know how overwhelmed you must feel with so many recent painful memories and other of your furballs also needing medical help, not to mention your impending move--just remember even though we're not physically there, you have all of us thinking about you and sending you positive energy, Michelle--you are such a fantastic source of help, information and inspiration to everyone else on this list when the chips are down, believe me we are all rooting for you and yours in spades. I've found when I've been in that horrible catatonic/unable to cope place that it helps to make a list of what needs to be done along with a realistic timeframe for doing it. Somehow committing it to paper makes it seem more manageable. I've found it also helps just to make myself go out and do something completely different that I (normally enjoy) and that distracts me for a few hours--it relieves the stress and recharges the batteries for getting back into coping mode. Just my 2 cents worth. Sending a zillion prayers and positive healing thoughts for Ginger, and wishing you all the best for the Monday internist visit. When you have time let us know how Ginger does. --much love and many hugs, Kerry - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger Belinda, could you see the stomatitis, i.e. when you opened his mouth were the ulcers obvious? Because I can't see any. Though I can't see under her tongue. Michelle In a message dated 5/6/05 10:35:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Michelle, I'm sorry Gunger is having such a hard time. When bailey's stomastisis was at it's worse he was losing weight, he didn't stop eating completely but he was eating much less that was OK, and after he had lost about a pound over a month or so is when I decided none of the other things we were trying were working and we pulled his teeth. Bad teeth can cause serious infections, and if it is bad enough probably hurts enough to make eating painful. I know a tooth ache is one of the few things I can't tolerate well and I have a very high pain tolerence. Are you planning on getting her teeth cleaned soon?
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Michelle, Do you have any animal toothpaste in the house? That must have some antibacterial agents in it of some sort. If it tastes good, I'd think about diluting it and using a Qtip to clean her teeth instead of stressing her further with something that might work better, (thank you Barbara for the info!), but may not be worth it, given the circumstances. How about a watery baking soda paste, if you don't have toothpaste? If she freaks with the Qtip, you might try a damp wash cloth over your finger, Jazz seemed to find that not quite as scary as the Qtip. Maybe you could have it ready to use after you syringe feed her, that way she doesn't have to be wrapped more than once. Keep that resolve firm, I know how awful I feel when I'm having to force them to succumb to treatments when all they want is to be left alone. Let us know when she starts to eat on her own. I sent the following to Michelle in an off-list email this morning. I thought I'd repeat it for the list. About Ginger's mouth... Do you have an antibacterial wash to use on Ginger's teeth? My vet prescribed CET oral rinse, (not sure what the CET stands for). Of course, I don't use it as directed. It says to syringe .5cc to 1cc on one side of the mouth and then the next day the other side. What I do instead is dilute it with a tiny bit of water, (about equal amounts), and use a Qtip to gently clean the gum line. It doesn't taste bad and it helps to keep the bacteria level down. The other med I've had success with for gingivitis is Peroxicam. It's an antiinflammatory similar to aspirin. My specialty clinic is always manned, even during their off hours to accommodate ER cases. They don't usually take appointments, but they are available to fill prescriptions, if you can get hold of your vet to authorize them. With scripts as benign as these, you may be able to get the ER vet on duty to give them to you. Just a thought. I know how hard it is to sit by and do nothing. I've had great success getting Gypsy eating by piercing a salmon oil cap and dropping some over her food. The aroma gets her motivated to eat even when she seems to have forgotten how. Of course, Gypsy's favorite food is salmon, (and it's her belly that hurts, not her mouth). I've had Gypsy on a raw diet for the last month, (exclusively for the last 2 weeks). When she's having a hard time eating, I pop the raw muscle meat, (cut into tiny little pieces), into the microwave for 10 seconds to sear the outside, warm the meat, and bring out the aroma. This usually gets her interested enough to start eating. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Barbara, thank you so much! I actually have the gaia combo in the house-- we take it when we get colds. I am stressing her so much with syringing and antibiotics and fluids-- she fights terribly and has to be toweled for each-- that I don't know whether I want to also put something in her mouth that will make her foam. hmm what to do Michelle In a message dated 5/7/05 12:54:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: going thru my cat care books. one mentions Biodent-a good general nutritional supplement to benefit the mouth.a human product but vet can order. contains bone meal, carrot powder, spleen and other nutrients that create a healthier chemisty in tissue of mouth. takes time to work. for inflamed gums, the topical application of an herbal combinatin called Echinacea-goldenseal supreme by gaia herbs-saurate a Q tip with the liquid and run along gum line once a day or if condition severe, twice a day. (tho as I recall, echinacea made my cats foam at mouth...the taste.) anitra frzier mentions an herbal remedy to soothe and heal sore and bleeding gums--add 1/4 teaspooon salt to 1/2 cup strong lukewarm calendula and pat on gums with a cotton ball. herbal remedies are usualy taken 3-4 times a day, one to two teaspoons of tea for a cat, 1/2 t. for a kitten. another book mentions calendula for general gum care-purchase a bottle of the mother tincture-put 6 drops in 1 oz of distilled water --if gums are infected already, use a cotton swab padded with extra cotton(from a cotton ball)so tht it soaks up the liquid. (brushing would only irritate gums more). cover both inside and outside of the gums(I guess they mean both sides of the teeth)with the calendula. hope some of this helps. calendula is usually easy to find in a good health food store. interesting footnotes that the vets seem to feel they see teeth problems more in certain breeds and colors. redheaded cats have more gingivitis than other cats. purebreds more at risk-tho maine coons have less problems than abyssinians and persians. My Mr. Bean is red and he ws the first one to exhibit the gum and tooth problems. barbara
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Dear Michelle, Having just lost my Mikey, my heart goes out to you. My vet mentioned that one of the things that can happen with our positive children is that small tumors can form in the esophagus, making it impossible for the cat to eat. Has your vet looked into this possibility? Leah -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 4:32 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Need prayers and advice for Ginger Ginger, my 6 year old positive, did not seem to want to eat last night and this morning at 6 am licked her lips when I gave her baby food and only ate a few licks-- she would normally go crazy for it. I took her in to the emergency room. Her blood work was all normal except her protein was a little high. Her xrays were normal except there was a little something showing where the lymph node in the chest is. The radiologist said it is either fat, which frequently collects there and Ginger is fat, or the beginnings of an enlarged lymph node there which could indicate lymphoma. Her gums are super-inflamed and her teeth in terrible shape. They gave me antibiotics for her mouth, gave her Pepcid before we left, and said to give her fluids. They chipped some of the stuff off her teeth. She was very stressed while there. Upon coming home she ate a jar of baby food. My cat Lucy then started viciously attacking her-- which she has never done, and Ginger has been hiding from her. I gave her a vial of feline interferon for the first time, have an ultrasound scheduled for Monday if she does not get better, and am praying. I tried to give her fluids and she turned into a wildebeast-- I have given many cats fluids in my life, and Gray was helping, and we could not get more than 10 ml or so into her. I tried giving her more food, including more baby food, and she would not eat it. Actually, she tried a few licks of baby food and then started moving her mouth and throat funny like it was stuck in her mouth or throat, which of course is impossible with baby food, and then she walked away. She played with me a little, but is not herself at all. She does not have diarrhea. She is a little dehydrated, which I guess I will try to fix by getting more baby food in her since I can not get fluids into her. If anyone thinks this sounds familiar and has any idea what is going on, please tell me. I hope it is not lymphoma, and to tell the truth it seems odd to me that beginning stages of lymphoma in the chest would make her not want to eat. Please send prayers and energy. Thanks, Michelle
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i had sent my well wishes before you posted the complete story. it does sound like her teeth and gums are the problem and the gingivitis could also be causing stomatitis. is she drooling? did you try yogurt? and I agree with Barb--my cats will jump on whoever has just returned from the vet or clinic because of the strange smells. sending more healing thoughts for Ginger. barbara - Original Message - From: Barb Moermond To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger It sounds like her teeth and gums are the things that need fixing, at least short-term. Her mouth might just be too painful for her to deal with it. Lucy probably attacked her because she smelled like the emergency clinic- my boys have done that to each other on the few occasions they've gone separately. I would definitely keep an eye on the lump, but I think her mouth is the problem at the moment. Keeping your family in our thoughts.[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ginger, my 6 year old positive, did not seem to want to eat last night and this morning at 6 am licked her lips when I gave her baby food and only ate a few licks-- she would normally go crazy for it. I took her in to the emergency room. Her blood work was all normal except her protein was a little high. Her xrays were normal except there was a little something showing where the lymph node in the chest is. The radiologist said it is either fat, which frequently collects there and Ginger is fat, or the beginnings of an enlarged lymph node there which could indicate lymphoma. Her gums are super-inflamed and her teeth in terrible shape. They gave me antibiotics for her mouth, gave her Pepcid before we left, and said to give her fluids. They chipped some of the stuff off her teeth. She was very stressed while there.Upon coming home she ate a jar of baby food. My cat Lucy then started viciously attacking her-- which she has never done, and Ginger has been hiding from her. I gave her a vial of feline interferon for the first time, have an ultrasound scheduled for Monday if she does not get better, and am praying. I tried to give her fluids and she turned into a wildebeast-- I have given many cats fluids in my life, and Gray was helping, and we could not get more than 10 ml or so into her. I tried giving her more food, including more baby food, and she would not eat it. Actually, she tried a few licks of baby food and then started moving her mouth and throat funny like it was stuck in her mouth or throat, which of course is impossible with baby food, and then she walked away. She played with me a little, but is not herself at all. She does not have diarrhea. She is a little dehydrated, which I guess I will try to fix by getting more baby food in her since I can not get fluids into her.If anyone thinks this sounds familiar and has any idea what is going on, please tell me. I hope it is not lymphoma, and to tell the truth it seems odd to me that beginning stages of lymphoma in the chest would make her not want to eat. Please send prayers and energy.Thanks,MichelleBarb+Smoky the House Puma+El Bandito Malito"My cat the clown: paying no mind to whom he should impress. Merely living his life, doing what pleases him, and making me smile." - Anonymous Yahoo! Mail MobileTake Yahoo! Mail with you! Check email on your mobile phone.
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Michelle, I agree with Nina - I know it's not an easy thing to do, but try to relax and don't think of the worse case scenario - I also have a cat who is felV positive, whose name is Ginger - when stops eating which has happened in the past, I just freak out and think of the worst case scenario - but sometimes they just need a little time to deal with whatever is going on - Michelle, I have suggested this to other people - why don't you consider talking to Ginger through an animal communicator to find out what's going on - and why she is not eating and how she is feeling - you might be surprised what they can do for you - I was able to find a problem with no vets could with my animal communicator for my cat, Simon and OB - Also, if you want to try homeopathic remedy, I have some recommendations as well - does she not have a high fever at all? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nina Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 3:54 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger Michelle, Try not to freak out. - She could be dealing with something that with the help of your good care and the VO, she'll fight off. No one is hungry when they don't feel well. - Don't automatically assume that the little something with her lymph node is anything more than fat. Your radiologist said fat frequently collects there, didn't he? - Her gums being inflamed is not unusual if she's not feeling well, when my cats are not feeling well it's the first symptom to flare up. - My animals are almost always uncharacteristically nasty to anyone who comes home smelling like the dreaded vet's office, Lucy was probably reacting to the way Ginger smelled and to Ginger's stress. - Give her some space and let her recover from her ordeal. She may be more willing to let you give her fluids when she's calmer. I wouldn't put her through it, unless you think it's critical. I have complete confidence in your doing whatever is necessary to administer to Ginger. Try very hard to RELAX. I understand completely why you're so upset, there isn't a caring human alive that would not be anxious given what you've been through. It will however, not help you, or any of your family to lose it now. Please think positively. Write to me off list with your address so I can send you 'Kyle's box' of VO. Hang in there, we're with you. Sending you, Ginger and everyone else love and support. Please keep us informed. Much love, Nina [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ginger, my 6 year old positive, did not seem to want to eat last night and this morning at 6 am licked her lips when I gave her baby food and only ate a few licks-- she would normally go crazy for it. I took her in to the emergency room. Her blood work was all normal except her protein was a little high. Her xrays were normal except there was a little something showing where the lymph node in the chest is. The radiologist said it is either fat, which frequently collects there and Ginger is fat, or the beginnings of an enlarged lymph node there which could indicate lymphoma. Her gums are super-inflamed and her teeth in terrible shape. They gave me antibiotics for her mouth, gave her Pepcid before we left, and said to give her fluids. They chipped some of the stuff off her teeth. She was very stressed while there. Upon coming home she ate a jar of baby food. My cat Lucy then started viciously attacking her-- which she has never done, and Ginger has been hiding from her. I gave her a vial of feline interferon for the first time, have an ultrasound scheduled for Monday if she does not get better, and am praying. I tried to give her fluids and she turned into a wildebeast-- I have given many cats fluids in my life, and Gray was helping, and we could not get more than 10 ml or so into her. I tried giving her more food, including more baby food, and she would not eat it. Actually, she tried a few licks of baby food and then started moving her mouth and throat funny like it was stuck in her mouth or throat, which of course is impossible with baby food, and then she walked away. She played with me a little, but is not herself at all. She does not have diarrhea. She is a little dehydrated, which I guess I will try to fix by getting more baby food in her since I can not get fluids into her. If anyone thinks this sounds familiar and has any idea what is going on, please tell me. I hope it is not lymphoma, and to tell the truth it seems odd to me that beginning stages of lymphoma in the chest would make her not want to eat. Please send prayers and energy. Thanks, Michelle
Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger
Have people actually seen cats act nausous from bad gums and teeth? As in lip licking, etc.? Michelle In a message dated 5/6/05 4:47:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It sounds like her teeth and gums are the things that need fixing, at least short-term. Her mouth might just be too painful for her to deal with it. Lucy probably attacked her because she smelled like the emergency clinic- my boys have done that to each other on the few occasions they've gone separately. I would definitely keep an eye on the lump, but I think her mouth is the problem at the moment. Keeping your family in our thoughts.
Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger
I was wondering that myself, not because I ever heard of it but because that sort of seems like where the problem is. She is scheduled for an ultrasound on Monday at 2 and I assume they can check that way. Nothing showed up in the full-body x-ray but I don't think that included her throat area. Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 5/6/05 4:50:58 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Michelle, Having just lost my Mikey, my heart goes out to you. My vet mentioned that one of the things that can happen with our positive children is that small tumors can form in the esophagus, making it impossible for the cat to eat. Has your vet looked into this possibility? Leah
Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger
Thanks, Hideyo. She had a mild fever at teh vet's, 102.3, but they said that is the level the temp normally goes up to from stress. any suggestions? Michelle In a message dated 5/6/05 6:47:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, if you want to try homeopathic remedy, I have some recommendations as well - does she not have a high fever at all?
RE: Need prayers and advice for Ginger
Yeah, 102.3 is not that high at all - my Ginger had a slight fever (about the same as your Ginger) when she did not eat for a week - I have tried some homeopathic remedy called Pulsatilla and Sulphur with Ginger and really worked very well for her, she started eating right away (also I gave her a shot of V-B12, too) In case you decide to want to talk to an AC so that you can find out what's going on Ginger, I am going to leave my AC, Janet's phone number - again you may be surprised what she can tell you (410-664-9960) - I will pray that your Ginger will get better very very soon - again, not to be too worried - she will bounce back with no time like my Ginger did - (Ginger is a great name, isn't it?) Hideyo Ginger -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, May 06, 2005 5:43 PM To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org Subject: Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger Thanks, Hideyo. She had a mild fever at teh vet's, 102.3, but they said that is the level the temp normally goes up to from stress. any suggestions? Michelle In a message dated 5/6/05 6:47:22 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Also, if you want to try homeopathic remedy, I have some recommendations as well - does she not have a high fever at all?
Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger
Hideyo, When your Ginger does not eat, does she lick her lips when you show her food, as though she is nauseous from looking at it? Do you use the little homeopathic pellets of Pulsatilla and Sulphur, and if so do you pill her with them or do something else? Thanks, Michelle In a message dated 5/6/05 7:51:13 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yeah, 102.3 is not that high at all - my Ginger had a slight fever (about the same as your Ginger) when she did not eat for a week - I have tried some homeopathic remedy called Pulsatilla and Sulphur with Ginger and really worked very well for her, she started eating right away (also I gave her a shot of V-B12, too) In case you decide to want to talk to an AC so that you can find out what's going on Ginger, I am going to leave my AC, Janet's phone number - again you may be surprised what she can tell you (410-664-9960) - I will pray that your Ginger will get better very very soon - again, not to be too worried - she will bounce back with no time like my Ginger did - (Ginger is a great name, isn't it?) Hideyo Ginger
Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger
I called the emergency place and the urine sample results came back with a protein value of 300. The level is supposed to be only trace amounts, not even a measurable number. They said it can mean lots of things. I did research online and thigns most often cited have to do with kidney failure, but her other kidney values were fine (knock on wood). I found something that said it can be from dental disease, which she clearly has. She is not eating at all which is freaking me out. She is very cuddly and purry and even plays a little, but does not jump at all and seems a little weaker than normal. I wrapped a towel around her and got 100 cc of fluids into her, and I syringe fed her 18 cc's of baby food. She ate a whole jar on her own when she returned from the vet eearlier (adrenalyn I think), so she got about 120 calories into her today, I figure, which is about half the normal calories needed. I would have syringed her more tonight but she was really freaking out and had to be toweled, and I figured she had been through so much today already. I will try to get two jars of baby food into her tomorrow, but I think it will be hard. I am very worried. She is far from anemic-- her hematocrit was 53, which I had never heard of-- I asked if it was too high. Apparently on their scale 37-55 is normal. So anemia is not the problem at this point. I am hoping this all just has to do with her mouth and can be resolved, but I really am worried. Besides losing my dog Nubi to cancer in November and Simon to cancer in February, my remaining dog Fern has cancer and my horse Pepsi's legs are failing (she turns 29 tomorrow, I think). And we are supposed to move to another state in less than 2 months. I just feel unable to cope. I also feel unable to let Ginger out of my site tonight. I think I might sleep on the floor with her since I can not seem to get her to come up on the bed, maybe because she feels she can't jump. **Has anyone had a cat with dental disease completely stop eating and do the lip licking thing when you try to give food???*** Thanks, Michelle
Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger
Hi Michelle, I'm sorry Gunger is having such a hard time. When bailey's stomastisis was at it's worse he was losing weight, he didn't stop eating completely but he was eating much less that was OK, and after he had lost about a pound over a month or so is when I decided none of the other things we were trying were working and we pulled his teeth. Bad teeth can cause serious infections, and if it is bad enough probably hurts enough to make eating painful. I know a tooth ache is one of the few things I can't tolerate well and I have a very high pain tolerence. Are you planning on getting her teeth cleaned soon? -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
Re: Need prayers and advice for Ginger
The lip licking could be because her tummy has alot of acid from not eating very much. Also if she is on antibiotics she may be nauseated from that. -- Belinda Happiness is being owned by cats ... Be-Mi-Kitties ... http://www.bemikitties.com Post Adoptable FeLV/FIV/FIP Cats/Kittens http://adopt.bemikitties.com FeLV Candle Light Service http://www.bemikitties.com/cls HostDesign4U.com (affordable hosting web design) http://HostDesign4U.com --- BMK Designs (non-profit web sites) http://bmk.bemikitties.com
