Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Pam Doore]

Thank you Ardy.  I absolutely believe in supportive comfort care.  I pet
sit and I have watched animals get so many treatments that they hide,
cringe when you reach even to pet them.  etc.  I can't do that to my babies
nor would I expect anyone else too.  Glad Topaz is doing well :-D.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

[Pam Doore]

Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew
:).

A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They
found it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots,
prednisone, and hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few months
and has been diarrhea free for several years now.  He is also off the
hydrolyzed protein food too.  His stool is still softer than other cats but
no diarrhea.   I am extremely familiar with cats not eating food additives
and special foods that are supposed to help them.  My vet now says, "with
any other cat we would do , but this is Becca so will attempt.
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Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

[Sandy]

Hi Bob - I use the BENE-BAC with a syringe - but you are probably correct with 
getting it under control with corticosteroids.  I had a Japanese Bobtail MX, 
who had special problems and I had to do that with him off and on - before I 
knew about the pre/probiotics. Best of luck - I know you won't stop trying to 
give a quality of life to the best of your ability.
Sandy W
> On February 23, 2018 at 3:52 PM ROBERT CHAPEL  wrote:
> 
> 
> I,m sorry for the loss of your Ally Pamit never gets easier
> but so good of you to give a quality life to those less fortunate 
> creatures who would be dying
> alone in a cage.it,s a kindness I really admire.
> 
> 
> And Sandy, thank you for the suggestion..Ive tries a few food 
> additives
> at this point a d the problem is he just wont eat themIve got a 
> hundres bucks worth of pre and pro biotics here and he just picks at his 
> food.  he,s underweight to begin with and i dont want him losing 
> more.. im going back today to cooking him a bland diet of chicken 
> and rice and will again start adding medicine but in minute amounts a d 
> building up.im beginning to think he really needs a course of 
> corticosteroids to get this initially under control.
> 
> 
> bob9
> 
> 
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> > Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:29:10 -0600
> > From: "Ardy Robertson" To: Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, 
> > Vol 44, Issue 1
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> > Hi all ? Pam, Sorry to hear about your Ally.  My Peekers will be 20 in 
> > April, and I?m not sure she will make it to this milestone. Her joints 
> > seem to be giving out, and she eats sporadically although she drinks a 
> > lot of water (diabetic?). Who knows??. At this point we are just 
> > keeping her as comfy as possible and putting up with her very loud 
> > talking (she must be a bit deaf). I don?t even know what 20 would be 
> > in cat years.
> >
> >
> > And our Topaz is doing well. She is doing a lot of the things Tigger 
> > used to do. I have come to the conclusion cats react to the way their 
> > family treats them.
> >
> >
> > Ardy
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
> > Of Pam Doore
> > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:49 PM
> > To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> > Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> >
> >
> > Hi Bob and all,
> > I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
> > about not seeing posts.
> >
> > I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a month 
> > later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
> > 6+-year-old boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a 
> > shelter in the southern tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is 
> > also Tommy.  I took home a FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring 
> > and I wanted him to have a home and lots of love for whatever time he 
> > has.  He is playing, eating, and giving lots of love and demanding 
> > lots of love!  He is living in my Master suit while he is being 
> > vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny and Tommy who are 
> > super eager to meet him :).
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  > wrote:
> >
> > Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
> > to unsubscribe
> >
> > Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
> > months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
> > FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
> > mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
> > and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
> > had their exposure  Think we might already have a place that will 
> > give a home to this cutie unfortunately not a family... but better 
> > than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter. He 
> > needs company
> >
> > Hope all is well with your Kitties my two 

Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

[dlg...@windstream.net]

Special foods have never helped my cats.  getting them off grain filled foods 
and gmo helped the most.  Now I find that blue buffalo has sold out to general 
mills, will have to find another food for m guys.  Used to have vomiting and 
loose stools but once I got them off foods with grain, that stopped.  Only time 
Harley vomits is when he gulps down his food and it hits the moisture in his 
stomach and back up it comes.  We are switching to wet foods that are organic.  
Wet foods stay down.
- Original Message -
From: Pam Doore 
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 17:16:19 -0500 (EST)
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

Thank you Bob :).  I will try to post some pictures sometime of the crew :).  

A friend had a kitty who had chronic diarrhea and nothing worked.  They found 
it was an autoimmune disease that was treated with B12 shots, prednisone, and 
hydrolyzed protein.  He was on this plan for a few months and has been diarrhea 
free for several years now.  He is also off the hydrolyzed protein food too.  
His stool is still softer than other cats but no diarrhea.   I am extremely 
familiar with cats not eating food additives and special foods that are 
supposed to help them.  My vet now says, "with any other cat we would do , 
but this is Becca so will attempt.  




 




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Re: [Felvtalk] Diarrhea...

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

Thank you pam,sandy ,ardy and all who weighed. in. on. the “ runs” 
 I’m leaning toward this being an autoimmune issue and will ask the 
shelter to have Tommy back to the vet for a better eval... Original 
recommendation was to use an antibiotic more common in livestock and 
aviaries ( tylosin) which was sound but did not take into account that 
my boy won’t eat his food with this foul tasting abx. I’m 
reintroducing it..now.. but VERY slowly After a couple of weeks if I 
can’t get him to a full dose it’s time to change course He’s 15 
years old and he can’t afford to lose weight or get dehydrated  He’s 
a foster who was “ supposed” to be back with his owner well before 
nowbut it looks to me that these guys are going to be a lifespan 
placement



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Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:49:03 -0500
From: Pam Doore To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
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*Hi Bob and all,  *


*I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
about

not seeing posts.*


*I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a 
month
later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
6+-year-old
boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a shelter in the 
southern
tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is also Tommy.  I took 
home a
FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring and I wanted him to have a 
home

and lots of love for whatever time he has.  He is playing, eating, and
giving lots of love and demanding lots of love!  He is living in my 
Master
suit while he is being vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his 
Sunny

and Tommy who are super eager to meet him :).   *


On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL wrote:

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
to

unsubscribe

Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
months
???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ 
for a
few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
mercifully, so
far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of 
the
bunch) quessing the others had been older when they had their 
exposure
Think we might already have a place that will give a home to this 
cutie
unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy 
in

isolation here at our shelter. He needs company

Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing 
pretty

well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on
life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is 
still
suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to 
control

it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.

Bob in Warwick NY




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Hi Bob,

If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an 
extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They 
used a cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they 
used any oil of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount 
of water, and just stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get 
him to eat a small amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had 
life-threatening diarrhea when nothing else worked.


I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something 
like a parasite causing it? Not surejust trying to help ?



Ardy



-Original Message-
From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of ROBERT CHAPEL

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1


Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone 

[Felvtalk] Pam, Sandy et all

[ROBERT CHAPEL]

I,m sorry for the loss of your Ally Pamit never gets easier
but so good of you to give a quality life to those less fortunate 
creatures who would be dying

alone in a cage.it,s a kindness I really admire.


And Sandy, thank you for the suggestion..Ive tries a few food 
additives
at this point a d the problem is he just wont eat themIve got a 
hundres bucks worth of pre and pro biotics here and he just picks at his 
food.  he,s underweight to begin with and i dont want him losing 
more.. im going back today to cooking him a bland diet of chicken 
and rice and will again start adding medicine but in minute amounts a d 
building up.im beginning to think he really needs a course of 
corticosteroids to get this initially under control.



bob9


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Hi all ? Pam, Sorry to hear about your Ally.  My Peekers will be 20 in 
April, and I?m not sure she will make it to this milestone. Her joints 
seem to be giving out, and she eats sporadically although she drinks a 
lot of water (diabetic?). Who knows??. At this point we are just 
keeping her as comfy as possible and putting up with her very loud 
talking (she must be a bit deaf). I don?t even know what 20 would be 
in cat years.



And our Topaz is doing well. She is doing a lot of the things Tigger 
used to do. I have come to the conclusion cats react to the way their 
family treats them.



Ardy



From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf 
Of Pam Doore

Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:49 PM
To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1


Hi Bob and all,
I don't realize I am not seeing posts until someone else mentions 
about not seeing posts.


I lost my Ally three days after Christmas.  A little less than a month 
later I was notified by a parent of one of my students about a 
6+-year-old boy who was Fiv+ and FelV+; owner died and was at a 
shelter in the southern tier of NY.   He is doing well and his name is 
also Tommy.  I took home a FIV+ older cat (vet through FIV was flaring 
and I wanted him to have a home and lots of love for whatever time he 
has.  He is playing, eating, and giving lots of love and demanding 
lots of love!  He is living in my Master suit while he is being 
vaccinated against FelV+ and can be with his Sunny and Tommy who are 
super eager to meet him :).



On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:37 PM, ROBERT CHAPEL  > wrote:

Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided 
to unsubscribe


Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few 
months ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any 
FELV+ for a few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, 
mercifully, so far only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest 
and cutest of the bunch) quessing the others had been older when they 
had their exposure  Think we might already have a place that will 
give a home to this cutie unfortunately not a family... but better 
than having the little guy in isolation here at our shelter. He 
needs company


Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing 
pretty well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new 
lease on life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER 
Jerry is still suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking 
for ways to control it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have 
failed so far.


Bob in Warwick NY



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Bob, have you tried BENE-BAC PLUS - pet gel??  I got it on Chewy.com - 
inexpensive - and good to 

Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1

[Sandy]

Bob, have you tried BENE-BAC PLUS - pet gel??  I got it on Chewy.com - 
inexpensive - and good to have on hand anyway.  Tested for coccidia I'm 
guessing.  try the BENE-BAC

> On February 22, 2018 at 10:21 PM Ardy Robertson  

Sandy W

> et> wrote:
> 
> Hi Bob,
> 
> If all else has failed to cure Jerry's diarrhea, you might try an 
> extremely old remedy that was used on humans back in the 1930's. They used a 
> cast iron frying pan and burned flour in it. I don't think they used any oil 
> of any kind - just the flour and possibly a small amount of water, and just 
> stir it until it browns and sort of burns. Then get him to eat a small 
> amount. Apparently this was given to babies who had life-threatening diarrhea 
> when nothing else worked.
> 
>  
> 
> I suppose though, if you can't get it stopped, it might be something like 
> a parasite causing it? Not surejust trying to help 
> 
>  
> 
> Ardy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Felvtalk [mailto:felvtalk-boun...@felineleukemia.org] On Behalf Of 
> ROBERT CHAPEL
> Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:37 PM
> To: felvtalk@felineleukemia.org
> Subject: Re: [Felvtalk] Felvtalk Digest, Vol 44, Issue 1
> 
>  
> 
> Odd that we are getting mail from Dec simply because someone decided to 
> unsubscribe
> 
>  
> 
> Presuming there has not been much activity in the list for a few months 
> ???   I am happy to report that my shelter had not received any FELV+ for a 
> few months and just recently received 6... upon retesting, mercifully, so far 
> only one has come up positive ( sadly the youngest and cutest of the bunch) 
> quessing the others had been older when they had their exposure  Think we 
> might already have a place that will give a home to this cutie 
> unfortunately not a family... but better than having the little guy in 
> isolation here at our shelter. He needs company
> 
>  
> 
> Hope all is well with your Kitties my two old guys are doing pretty 
> well. Tommy had 5 teeth extracted and it gave him a new lease on 
> life. He's MUCH more active and happy and FATTER Jerry is still 
> suffering his chronic diarrhea and we are still looking for ways to control 
> it ( all the usual NON medicine interventions have failed so far.
> 
>  
> 
> Bob in Warwick NY
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
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> > couple of weeks??
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> > HOWEVER:? In relation to FIV...?? it has