Re: [Finale] Playback of Glissando (H.P.)
Rich Caldwell write: There is absolutely nothing in the score at those points that should change the playback. If I copy paste some bars with glisses that aren't playing in the full document into a new one, they play back fine. Do you have HP playback enabled for both documents? If so, it sounds like you have one document that has the HP setting for glissandi playback ON and the other document has it OFF. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Fw: [Finale] Plugin develpment question
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes: The higher the zoom, the less handles there are on the screen. I envision a very powerful usage of the TAB key whilst keeping the zoom constant. The Smart Shape Tool moves between the visible handles currently displayed on the screen (although no movement of the current view area). I guess the other tools does not have this feature since too few people has requested it. Another thing that the Smart Shape Tool keyboard implementation does NOT include is support for the menu key in Windows (separate key or Shift+F10) to bring up the contexual menu. AFAIK, contextual menus still have to be displayed by use of the mouse in Finale. Plug-in developers has requested access to the handles [and their contextual menus] for years. Some plug-in implementations would make MUCH more sense if they worked on the currently selected handles (instead of having a complex selection dialog where the user has to set the filter/range/etc for processing). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fermatas and WinFin2004
David H. Bailey writes: No playback effect, with or without human playback enabled. (So much for their claim that fermatas playback automatically with human playback enabled!) I think Human Playback currently only plays back plays back articulation fermatas. (But OTOH, no need for shapes or such stuff). Make sure to send in feature requests to get expression fermata playback in HP! When I get into the expression dialog to double check the settings and get to the shape selection screen, the shape I just created is EMPTY! Perhaps there's a bug here? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Page reduction vs. Staff reduction (again!)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're right ... it was just that for some reason I was reducing the page to 76%, and I thought I'd stick to that number. However, you make sense, and I'm switching over to 75%. Also, if you keep the system reduction to 75% (and assuming that you keep the staff height for the system to 96 EVPUs and the page reduction to 100%), one 5-line staff will be exactly 0.25 inches. Opinion here seems to be that staff reduction is the way to go, and I have no reason not to agree. Just to get the terminology right here, I think people are saying that staff _system_ reduction is the way to go. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] PCFIN2004 MP3 Hell
Henry Howey writes: I have had no luck in convincing the 2004 FINALE to make MP3 files. The setting always defaults to .wav files. I have been making MP3's for several years with other software. When I try to convert a FINALE wavefile to MP3 with one of these apps, all I get is white noise;-) Probably cause by the fact that FinWin2004 can't save to MP3, only to WAV (it can use a MPEG3 compression, if you have such a codec installed - but that's not the same as saving to a MP3 file). Instead, install and use a WAV to MP3 converter, there are plenty of them on the net. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Disappointed
Aaron Sherber writes: The latency I was seeing went far beyond incovenience. Since it's not consistent on your system, it seems like you're talking about a different and more serious issue here. If you experience it sometime in the future, please check if you've run SoftSynth playback prior to when the problem started. Are you using DirectX 8? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression alignment
David H. Bailey writes: I used expression metatool 4, and no matter where I had the cursor on the first three chords, the expressions all aligned themselves properly below the staff. When I used metatool 4 to place the same expression under beat 4, the expression was out of line with the other three, so I still had to drag it by hand, to have it visually in line with the other 3 expressions. This is a bug! [Don't blaim the beta testers for this one.] The Below Staff Baseline Or Entry does not do what the documentation says it should do. Write a very angry mail to MakeMusic about this! Until this is fixed, you can change the positioning to the Below Staff Baseline, although that will not take care of entry collisions. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression alignment
Robert Patterson Finale writes: But Below Staff Baseline or Entry is *supposed* to push expressions out of line if they would collide with the entry being on the baseline. If you don't care about collisions (as apparently you don't), use Below Staff Baseline. You're right! The problem is not what I initially thought. Actually, there doesn't seem to be a bug here after all... Sorry for shouting wolf. The cause for the last quarter to be pushed downwards is the Additional Entry Offset value. Change that to -44 EVPUs and the forte expression should be pushed down only at true collisions with the entry. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Expression alignment
David H. Bailey writes: Actually I am using the expression (F for forte, metatool 4) as it is in your default library, which is set to beneath staff baseline or entry. Why on earth are you using the default library anyway? I thought the whole idea was that we would be able to enter ALL expressions aligned the same. Now I find out that I will have to go through and manually edit EACH and EVERY expression in the new libraries if that is the behavior I want. Just as you for example have to adjust playback or font values for each expression if those settings don't suit your needs. And we can't edit individual expression placements. WRONG! Each expression has an offset from the default positioning. So it seems this is another marketing tool of limited usefulness in the real world. Silly statement IMO. Learn how to use the feature before you complain. FWIW, Forza! will soon be able to transfer Fin2004 expressions between files, complete with descriptions and positioning. [I just have to finish a composition this weekend.] Then you just make the changes in one file and directly transfer the expressions to all other files where you want them. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Disappointed
Aaron Sherber writes: But this doesn't change my basic point, which is that my current hardware is far from obsolete, and there's no reason why an app written today should not run just fine on it. Of course there are reasons!!! If I were somehow creaking along on an old 486 and found that Finale didn't run as snappily as it might, it would clear be up to me to upgrade my hardware. But for Finale to run this way on recent hardware would seem to be their fault rather than mine. 1. MakeMusic knows about the problem on lo-performance hardware/drivers (but it's probably a good point letting them know anyway, until the problem is fixed) 2. It will run ok on most hardware, and should be good on all new hardware 3. It WILL be fixed, but other things than optimization had higher priority prior to the initial release. and: 4. I did mentioned it in my review 5. The problem is much related to the size of document area. If you run a document on high resolution in maximized state, you'll have much more problems than if you run on low resolution and in a smaller document window Randy has more info on the subject, perhaps he'll join the discussion. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Disappointed
Aaron Sherber writes: The new Simple Entry commands are very powerful (and customizable), but contrary to Jari's opinion I do not think this is now the entry method of choice for those of us working without a MIDI keyboard. I did not say that. I said just for _adding_ new material. Some of the commands are quite nice -- especially those for adding notes to a chord -- but it doesn't compare to the convenience of being able to use the computer keyboard as a 3-octave entry tool. Having to type the letter names A-G, and having access to only one octave at a time, seems to make entry much slower than with Speedy. ...but it's very easy to move between the octaves... Perhaps most annoyingly, the display system is unacceptably slow. Moving almost any item (articulation, expression, smart shape, etc.) results in an unacceptable amount of latency before the screen shows the move I've just made. This makes tweaking the positioning of objects *much* slower than it used to be, because I can't move at the speed I want to. If this is the price to pay for never having to hit Ctrl-D, I'd rather have it the other way. Did you try clearing the temp folder? Not that this will solve all the speed issues on hires or slow systems, which is a know issue (but let MakeMusic! know about it anyway). AND it's not true that the screen now always displays correctly. In my review I said: Another way of putting it: if you still encounter situations where the screen does not display as it should, make sure to report the bug to the technical support! I can reproduce a situation where changing some things in the Expression dialog and then closing the dialog leaves a small colored halo around each expression's selection box, and Ctrl-D doesn't even get rid of it. Ctrl+D will have little effect in the new update system, since everything is cached. Instead, use Ctrl+Shift+D for buggy situations. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 arrival
Éric Dussault writes: One simple question. I don't want to use the Sibelius A B C D E F G letters scheme. This is the one thing in which Finale is superior when entering notes. Will I be able to enter notes with the 3 rows-octaves keyboard scheme I am used to in speedy with the new simple entry tool? No. There are things you can do in Speedy that you can't do in Simple (and vice versa). My guess is that a full merge between Speedy and Simple will come in some later Finale version. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review
Tobias Giesen writes: I'm sure these people will make Finale survive, including older versions. Yes, a thing that seem to support this is the fact that you can still download patches for very old Finale versions, such as Finale 2.2. Many companies only provides download of fixes for the last 2 versions or something. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] More Finale 2004 info
Craig Parmerlee writes: 1) Do the crescendos happen automatically, just by entering the hairpin, or do you have to do something else to make the crescendos active in the playback? Automatically. 2) (This is a basic MIDI question, not specifically related to 2004). I have an external sound engine (E-Mu) that I normally use. It works great -- instant response -- but only supports 16 channels. What are the options if I want to use 32 channels, for example? Will this new SoundFont stuff support that? Is that software synthesis fast enough so that you can use this during HyperScribe? The SoftSynth only support 16 channels. The speed of the SoftSynth is dependent of the computer speed, but it should be fast enough for real- time playback (unless you have a really slow computer). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: Human Playback (was: Finale 2004 Review)
Randolph Peters writes: Other improvements such as Human Playback stop just short of being really useful. Perhaps I have the wrong impression of how it works. Please correct me if you know otherwise: 1) You cannot use your own sounds and samples together with Human Playback except by replacing soundfonts in the new synth/sampler engine. Wrong! The SoftSynth is just a sound device, [almost] just like any other MIDI device. Human Playback is an extra sound preparation layer of your document before the actual playback starts - HP is NOT connected directly to the SoftSynth. I think my own gear and sounds are better than the Finale ones (based on the mp3s they have provided as demos). I know that Save to Wav wouldn't work with my own instruments, but why not Human Playback? Don't understand what you mean here... 2) Automatic trills, glissandos, hairpin dynamics are a part of Human Playback but not the regular playback. I've been using TGTools to make harmonics, trills, tremolos, and so on, play properly as part of the MIDI file. It looks like I'll still need these! Harmonic, trills and tremolos are part of HP as well! And much more... 3) Patch changes are ignored? No pizz. to arco and that kind of thing? Well, word like pizz and arco are ignored by the HP interpreter. You have to do the patch changes the way you've done it before in Finale. 4) Only 16 channels for Human Playback? A HP-prepared document will play on any device. HP is not involved with channel issues. 5) How does Human Playback find a sound for a part labelled Camilla or something like that? What HP has to find is the right interpretation mode for a staff (based mainly on the name but also on pitch range) to do an accurate interpretation. A staff named Camilla will probably default to some basic volume-based instrument. 6) I'm assuming that Human Playback does not save a MIDI file or Finale playback file. What format besides Wav does it save? From my review: When a document is saved as a MIDI file, the Human Playback information will be stored as well. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: The Panic Room, was: RE: [Finale] Re: Registration codes and copyright
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz writes: Now, not too tangentially: Tobias, you seem certain Makemusic would have to support this product into the future. Why? The FAQ that Tyler posted here should answer this, read the section about the maintenance release. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Finale 2004 Review
Hello! I've now put a Finale 2004 review with some tips on the tips site. I'll correct all the typos tomorrow... http://www.finaletips.nu/ Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz writes: Here I find: Finale 2004 has copy protection. You can read how it works on MakeMusic!'s own site. I go there and read: There is no copy protection, no key disks, no inconvenience. Which is true? If there really is copy protection, I intend to cancel my order. It works exactly as MakeMusic! explains it on their site. I would still say a challenge/response system is copy protection, although there's no hardware copy protection. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale 2004 Review
David H. Bailey writes: There has to be some sort of code you enter into the installation or else how could the program know whether or not to disable aspects of the program after 30 days if you haven't registered? The challenge/response system is seamless if you do the registration over the internet. In that case, there's no extra user involvement required. It also says we have permission to install the program on TWO different machines -- there must be some sort of installation code that becomes portable from the original installation. I get the impression a database at MakeMusic! keeps track of the number of installed computers for each serial no. Somewhere (I can't remember if it was the e-mail advertisement or I read this on the FinaleMusic website) I read that we would have unlimited re-installs but it didn't mention if we would need to contact MakeMusic each time we needed to re-install the program (assuming, of course, that MakeMusic remains in business and is willing to support Fin2004 forever). To get more installs than 2, you have to contact MakeMusic! to activate an extra install. Btw, it's a computer-specific challenge/response system (so it will survive a reformat and such things). I would _guess_ it's very similar to Microsoft's. My only concern is what's going to happen the day MakeMusic! decides that Finale 2004 is dead as a product and no longer provides response codes. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] More Finale 2004 info
Hello! I noticed that the MakeMusic! marketing material for Finale 2004 only seem to compare the SoftSynth output with normal MIDI output. No example how a printed page would sound with human playback. So I created such an example, which is now linked from my review: http://www.finaletips.nu/ For those who have already read the review, here's a direct link: http://www.jwmusic.nu/hpdemo/ Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] RE: Courtesy Time Signatures
RL Jenks writes: I saw only one public response to your query about suppressing Courtesy Time Signatures and that one, which described the measure tool option controlling time signature display, did not really address your problem. It's not the time signature options you should change in the measure attributes! You should instead check the Hide Cautionary Clefs, Key and Time Signatures for the last measure of the previous movement, which should take care of the multi-movement issues. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Note expression default position?
Brad Beyenhof writes: However, I ran across a web page ( http://www.gwmp.com/BDNotes.htm ) that claims of its first example that All dynamics were applied as a MetaTool and not touched. These look to me like they are perfectly aligned from the start, not just semi-haphazardly thrown in as in my first step. I think the WWW page is saying that the result was produced by clicking on the notehead's position horizontally, but the vertical mouse position was maintained steady while clicking. My other clue that this may be possible lies in the Mass Edit Change Note Expression Assignments dialog, with its mention of add to default position. Is there a way to change the default position of note expressions to something other than (0,0)? No. And, is there a way to enter note expressions at that default position instead of merely wherever the mouse pointer is sitting when I click the button? TGTools has functions (and even keyboard shortcuts) for aligning dynamics. That's all I can say for now. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Font annotation NEW
Éric Dussault writes: The copy and paste fonctions in the menu are enabled but they do nothing. So it sounds like you are on the Mac platform? If so, why don't you try Philip's suggestion? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Strange compression
d. collins writes: Thanks for the suggestion, Tim. Unfortunately, the measures are squashed in height, not in width. All three staves of the system are reduced to a thick black line. In scroll view, they appear perfectly normally. This problem occurs in 2003 with several 2001 files, but not all. And doesn't occur when I open them in 2001. Try this in the incorrect Fin2003 version: 1. Select the Resize Tool 2. Right-click on the first system 3. Select Resize System... 4. In the Staff Sizing group, set Staff Height to 96 EVPUs 5. As the range, set 1 Through End of Piece 6. Press OK Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] FAN files- a real question
Cecil Rigby writes: I wanted to see where the red lines bounding characters fell for Engraver Font, so opened it up. The bounding lines are in the *same* place for every character that I looked at! The directions for making the FAN file for a font without one says the red lines should enclose the character completely. This is clearly not the case in Engraver... Which of the Engraver fonts? I checked with EngraverFontSet and the red bounding boxes looked correct here. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Font annotation NEW
Éric Dussault writes: I have a question here : I am using a default music font that I made myself and am using it with some publishers I work with. For compatibility purpose, when I edit my font, I rename it to avoid version problems when printed (I am not printing them). It is very easy anyway to rename a font. The problem is that I always have to make a new font annotation from scratch. It's not hard but time consuming. Is there a way to start the font annotation of a new font from an existing one? This would be so much faster. If not I will certainly send a request to MakeMusic to make it through, hopefully, Finale 2005. If you have a binary file editor and know how to use it, it's easy: 1. Make a copy of the file you want to use as a template 2. Using the copy, open it with a binary file editor to make a change at position 522 (0-based) in the file. That's where the font's name is stored that the FAN file maps to. End the font name text with a 0. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Feature request (#7 in a series)
Patsy Moore writes: I quite often use text blocks [in WinFin 2000c] to write reminders to myself at the extreme top of a page so that they won't print but will show up when I open the file again. In more recent Finale versions, you can mark the text block as Show Only On Screen and put it where you _really_ want it... Alternatively perhaps there could be an option to be able to change the location of the handle in relation to the text block. That could be confusing. The handle position is already used for indicating what type of Placement mode the text block uses. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Feature request (#3 in a series)
Noel Stoutenburg writes: If not implemented in FIN 2k4, one thing I would like to see in 2k5 is the ability to embed non-printing, optional carriage return / linefeed sequences (hereinafter, CR-LFs) in text expressions. Why would the line feed has to be optional? Sounds to me like if you need a line feed, you'll add it. If you don't need it, you don't add it. Or am I missing something here? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Feature request (#3 in a series)
Bruce K H Kau writes: FWIW The interpretation of CR and LF is different between Macs and PCs. [...] Not sure how Finale would deal with all these differences. There shouldn't be a technical issue regarding line breaks here. Finale already deals with line breaks in text blocks (which converts correctly between platforms), for example. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Feature request (#1 in a series)
Christopher BJ Smith writes: Boy, I don't think I can go along with this suggestion. It is so easy to create a new expression non legato that always spaces properly and has its own midi properties and metatool assignment, that your proposal would seem to take a huge effort in comparison with the gain achieved. I agree. If the main benefit is to just save a few entries in the expression definition list, wouldn't it instead be more fruitful to put the request efforts into how expressions are handled by Finale's user interface? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] TAN: SPAM
Brad Beyenhof writes: SpamAssassin works very well, actually... The best of any spam filter I've ever seen. I got a ton of spam through my university email address (while it was still active), and it was all but eliminated after I installed the SpamAssassin POP3 proxy. Sure, a few things per week squeaked through, but nearly all of my 5+ spams a day were caught. Thanks for the tip! I installed SAproxy yesterday, and only one single spam mail wasn't caught (got a score of 3.4) and something like 120 spam mails was caught - and no false catches yet. Previously I used the contents control feature in Pegasus Mail, which could catch most spam mails on a good day, but virtually none on another. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Wrong pitch option button.
Craig Parmerlee writes: But that misses the point. Why would anybody ever want to hear the wrong pitch? And why should it be necessary to go through a convoluted workaround to do something as simple as hear the right pitch? This isn't a characteristic. It is a long-standing bug, a flaw, an annoyance. There are engravers that think this is the way it _should_ work! The reasoning goes like this: When you're entering notes from a printed source, engravers are interested in hearing that the entered note looks right, instead of getting the resulting pitch. Just because some people have grown accustomed to the warts is not a good reason to perpetuate this illogical mode of operation IMHO. If there were an option to do it both ways, I'd strongly encourage the default to be set such that you hear the right pitch all the time. For those who don't want to hear the right pitch, there could be an option button called Have Finale play the wrong pitch. Tell Coda/MakeMusic! The reason this hasn't been implemented as an option must be since there haven't been getting enough complaints about it, since it surely can't be a difficult option to implement... Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] new plugin?
Cecil Rigby writes: Anyone have the scoop on this?.. Based on Count Items thread, I think it's this: http://www.recordare.com/good/max2002.html#Figure3 Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plea for platform/version info
Patsy Moore writes: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Christopher BJ Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes If you hold down G in the Smart Shape Tool, no matter what tool you have selected, then double-click and drag, you will get a gliss WITH text, I got a bit excited about this and tried it, but it doesn't apply to FinWin 2000c. Some recent tips have been things I've missed. Not that one. You need Fin2002a or later. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Image retention of deleted objects
Herman S. Gersten writes: I guess the bottom line is you have to redraw to clean up the screen. Who said computers save time? Historically, drawing directly onto the screen (which is causing the visual mess) instead of buffering the display is a one of the things that Finale has been doing to actually save time for the user... Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plea for platform/version info
Christopher BJ Smith writes: That has been added to the default file supplied with 2003, but there is no reason why you couldn't program it yourself in an earlier version, assuming the shape exists in 2000 (which I think, unfortunately, it doesn't) Despite the fact that programmable metatools for smartshapes weren't available in Fin2000? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plea for platform/version info
Christopher BJ Smith writes: Then how come S works for slurs for Patty? Were they built-in metatools? The hard-coded metatools 'S', '' and '' were added in Fin2000, I believe. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] layout bug?
Daniel Dorff writes: Do I simply have page 1 showing on the screen, and hit Ctrl+U with any option selected in Update Layout Options..., or does it matter which option is selected, Yes, it matters which options you use. I see that you get some confusing advices regarding the layout options, but the process is actually very simple: Calculating the layout has historically been a very time-consuming process (and still is for large scores), that's why there is a non-automatic update layout feature, so you can calculate the layout whenever you have the time for it. The Automatic Update Layout option should ideally make the Ctrl+U step unnecessary, but that option can be too slow if you work on large files. Also, there still might be layout situations where Finale doesn't trigger the Auto Update Layout, but I'm unsure about this. When you press Ctrl+U (or during Automatic Update Layout), Finale will calculate the layout from the page you're standing on in Page View until the end of the document. That's why everyone tells you to be on page 1. Finale will use the Update Layout Options that you've indicated. In the UL options, you normally want to set Reflow System Across Page to ON, otherwise you will eventually end up with systems that will not appear on any page in the score if you insert music. In the Reflow Measures list, I personally use Across Systems (Maintain System Locks) since it suit my working style. But you might want to choose one of the other. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] layout bug?
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz writes: Though I haven't experienced this problem for a while, I do recall that Update Layout would *not* fix this. The only way I could get it to work was to drag a staff down off the first page so it appeared on page 2 (global option unchecked!), Update Layout, and then drag it back to where it was. Something would occasionally 'stick' that Update Layout would not fix for me. This sounds like Daniel's problem. Maybe dragging a staff down back will fix it. Which global option did you have unchecked? I for some reason very much doubt that there are any major bugs in the UL function. There are bugs in Space Systems Evenly, though... Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Metatools
Ole Buck writes: Robert Patterson's Setting Scrapbook can copy Metatool for Articulations, Expressions and Tuplets. And Forza! (the Settings Transfer component) can copy those and a couple of more to a bunch of files in one go. FinWin2003 is required for that component, though. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Metatools
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AND TGTools! If I remember correctly, TGTools Transfer can only copy expression and articulation metatools. And it can not copy them to multiple documents in one go. And it does not give you the option to keep or overwrite existing metatools in the destination file(s). But other than that, the functionality is there. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Backwards compatibility
Richard Huggins writes: If anyone happens to know the inner workings at Coda, I'd be interested to know if any or all of the programmers are musicians to the extent that it is helpful to what they do? Or are there some are and some aren't? Or are there musicians who are giving the programmers objectives and then the programmers reduce it down to programming concepts they understand? Or would being a musician actually not be very important? In the job ads (when seeking new developers) that Coda occasionally puts on their web site, good musical/notational knowledge has always been listed as one of the requirements. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New Finale release
Craig Parmerlee writes: As I suggested earlier, when using an object based storage approach (which apparently Finale doesn't) the normal practice would be to store multiple versions of the objects so that back level releases would be able to see something they recognize. So when we arrive at Finale2008, each Finale document stores something like 4 different version of each individual note? Since when is storing multiple versions of an object the normal practice for storing object streams? Doesn't sound very OO to me. I thought that objects normaly was stored with version IDs/tags/numbers, so the running application can extract as much info as it can process from the object. Anyway, this discussion is useless IMO. As I said earlier, there is a much more efficient (both in time and in money) method to provide backward compatibility since Fin2003 than to change the file format. Modifying the internal object structure of Finale will solve nothing when it comes to plug- ins for example, that needs to access Enigma database directly. And an Engima emulation layer would only make things painfully slow. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New Finale release
David H. Bailey writes: Perhaps, given the tardiness in making Finale fully OSX compliant, it is the Mac market which is the drag these days. Avoiding to make this into a OS war issue, I think the OSX development will benefit both platforms in the end. Although the rewrite for OSX undoubtedly takes a lot of development time, some of the core of Finale perhaps gets rewritten, ancient code fragments are thrown out, it gets easier to add more advanced stuff on both platforms in the future (since Mac now have many things that Win32 has had for years, like easy multi- threaded multitasking, a good set of user controls, etc). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New Finale release
Philip M. Aker writes: But Jari, I've been _using_ Carbon controls in plugins since 1998 and requesting support for them in the PDK since the autumn of that year. So what happens if Carbon isn't installed on the client's computer? Multitasking as an issue is only important to Windows developers because DOS (and I think Windows before W95) never had anything like the (old) MacOS event loop concept in the first place. What are you talking about? Windows has _always_ used the message loop concept (which is Microsoft's version of the event loop) for communication. The new thing in Win32 (=Windows95 and later) was pre- emptive priority-based threaded multitasking. DOS had nothing to do with Windows, not even under Win16 (specially true since Windows 3.0), since most of DOS was disabled anyway. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] New Finale release
Earl Price writes: Speaking of playback, I wish that Coda would fix playback of transposing instruments during Simple note entry. Currently what we hear is playback of the pitch entered as if it were concert pitch. This is annoying when working in transposed scores, which is the way I always work. Have you (and others who want it) sent in a feature request? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: feature request (was: Re: [Finale] New Finale release)
Michele Sharik writes: Where does one send in a feature request? To the tech support e-mail addresses: [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you send in multiple requests, MakeMusic seems to appreciate if you make a wish list in priority order. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Program closed without(!) asking to save
Noel Stoutenburg writes: My guess is that you moved the cursor outside the Finale workspace, and pressed the combinatuion ALT+F4, which I understnd to be a windows command from the Operating system to shut down the system from the outside, so as far as FIN is concerned it experience and abnormal termination. Alt+F4 is Close Main Window and it has nothing to do with where the cursor is. It's exactly the same as choosing File/Exit or pressing the close button to the upper right, or to double-click on the system menu icon to the upper right, or to... The thing is that Alt+F4 should provide safety questions just as all the other methods that close Finale. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes: The Bug of the Valleys and Hills. It bites Engraver Slurs. At first this virus is not detectable in Page view or in Postscript preview, and then when it is distilled to PDF, the PDF has Mount Everests or Grand Canyons on it. Just to clarify: this bug can occur on any device, such as printers or on the screen. It's very resolution-specific. On my configuration (1280*1024, large system fonts), I get a lot of those slurs on screen, but only at some zoom view values. For example, a slur might look buggy when viewed at 85%, but appear correct at 84% or 86%. Or, a slur might look buggy on a 1200 DPI printer, but appear correct when printed at 600 DPI. It is a bad bad bug, because it makes one loose one's trust in Finale's page view. What You See is What You Want but Don't Get. Agreed!!! Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Document Options Dialog Box
Brad Beyenhof writes: That only works on the PC version, though... But OTOH, Mac can use the up/down arrow keys to browse in the list. The Windows version can't (due to a technical limitation of the Windows list boxes that MakeMusic decided to use for the document options dialog box). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Document Options Dialog Box
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes: But still, browsing isn't my idea of working. When I work, I want instant access (I'm used to it from 2001). Program a keyboard macro for it. In the FinWin2003 version, a sequence that would put the keyboard focus on the list of pages (regardless of which page that is preselected) would be: Alt+Ctrl+A Shift+Tab 5 times A macro sequence that in FinWin2003 would for example move to the Beams page would be: Alt+Ctrl+A Shift+Tab 5 times B Ctrl+PageDown ...and so on. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Document Options Dialog Box
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes: ... or just press ALT O D in which case the list is already in focus. No, it isn't! When the dialog is opened in FinWin2003, the keyboard focus is on the first item of the displayed page. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes: Did you ask them if they fixed the slur bug? This bug is embarrassing. Although I agree with you about this bug, it's probably helpful to understand a bit how Coda/MakeMusic works when deciding what (or when) to fix: If too few people complain about a bug, Coda/Makemusic will not fix it since they believe that it isn't a major problem. The same goes (more or less) for feature requests. FWIW, I've been complaining about this bug since Fin2001. So your chance to get this fixed in Fin2004 is to make sure tech support get reproducible bug reports. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Fin 2k4
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes: However, you mentioned that it occured in 2001. I never noticed it there before, and I have done a very great deal of work with 2001. But In 2003 it is popping up all over the place. My bad. The bug was introduced in Fin2002, since it's a bug specific to Engraver Slurs. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Slurs that turn into Everest
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes: Does anyone have experience with slurs that look good in page view and postscript preview and then after distilling a PDF some of them turn into Mount Everest or the Grand Canyon, respectively? The only consistency I can notice is that these 'slurs gone wild' have not at all been tweaked. After tweaking, even if I return the slur to the initial position, after distilling again the problem disappears. This bug is resolution-specific (the bug might very well disappear when you change resolution for your PDF) and has been there since the day Engraver Slurs were first introduced. Another way to get rid of the problematic slur is to right-click on it and turn off engraver slur mode for that specific slur (which is also what happens if you tweak the slur). IMO, everyone that has this problem MUST send in a bug report to Coda about it so they finally get the message...! Make sure you submit a small file that causes the problem, including what screen/printer resolution that causes the bug. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Click your way around?!
Mr. Liudas Motekaitis writes: Recently I needed to be able to copy clef changes (all of them, not only some...) from one document to another. So I got 2003 to see how this would work. But, to my utmost disgust, I typed in ALT+ODI to get the spacing options for clefs and key sigs etc. and it opened the all new and improved document options window in which I cannot even use my keyboard to navigate. What kind of engineering is this? The Settings Transfer component of Forza! will transfer your clef settings to _any_ number of opened documents. I think also the Settings Scrapbook by Robert Patterson will do similar stuff, although not as automatic. [These features are only available on Fin2003 and above.] Mass Copy from Robert Patterson will copy clef changes in a region of the document properly. You can browse the pages in the Document Settings dialog with Ctrl+PageUp/PageDown. This is like giving Rostropovich a new cello which is tuned in thirds and sixths and asking him to play the old tunes he knows so well on it. Have you heard Rostropovich play recently?!? What's the point with doing away with ALT-shortcuts??? Mice are for beginners! Perhaps, but macro programs are for power users... Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] 2003 Freeze!
helgesen writes: Everything locks, (even caps lock on/off, which I'm told is the acid test) Last time it happened when I switched from Speedy to Simple for something. It seems to be related to any operation involving the midi keyboard. One time it was a cluster (rest). This sounds very much like a MIDI driver problem. Try to download/install the absolute latest drivers for your MIDI interface. I don't think the keyboard is an issue here. What kind of MIDI interface are you using? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Playback questions
Harold Owen writes: 2. Unfortunately, when I make a MIDI file of the variations, all tempo changes entered with the tempo tool are ignored as well as those I entered using Jari's great JW Tempo plug-in. Is there a way to fix this, or do I have to enter all tempo changes as text expressions with playback assignments (a kludge if there ever was one!)? At the beginning of the document, insert a non-printing expression with the Play Tempo Tool Changes playback type. Now the MIDI export will include all Tempo Tool changes to the MIDI file. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] finale tweak?
Stig Christensen writes: Finale 2003 just arrived at my desktop. Is FinaleTweak incompatible with Finale 2003? I used to have my , assigned to a dot in Speedy Entry and the - and + to ties. Isn't there a way to do that in Finale 2003? FinaleTweak is compatible with FinWin2003. The suggestion posted by Aaron (=make sure that FinaleTweak is in the Finale 2003 folder before you run it) should do the trick. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] TAN: Bartok's 2nd vln concerto
Hello! Does anyone have the score or violin part to Bartok's 2nd violin concerto (1937/38) available? If so, could you please tell me how the tempo is notated at the very beginning of the first movement? (Is it Allegro non troppo? Is there a metronome marking as well?) Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Harp stop sound symbol
Hello! What is, in harp notation, the correct notation symbol to use for stopping the sound from the harp. The sources I have differ: Some say it looks like a perfect circle with a cross (where the lines of the cross extend somewhat beyond the circle). Others say it should be the same as the coda sign. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Harp stop sound symbol
Andrew Stiller writes: This is a distinction without a difference. I found a good discussion about harp damping symbols in Music Notation in the Twentieth Century (Kurt Stone), pages 231-234. That circle symbol is absolutely looking different compared to the coda symbol. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Quick question: optimization and vertical spacing
Don Hart writes: When optimizing staves, what setting affects the verticle spacing of staves and systems? As long as I've been optimizing (now inFinmac 2k2), the staves always closed ranks after the empty ones had been removed. A friend using, I believe, a template that shipped with Finale 2k2 for windows, said that after optimization there were gaps left where the removed staves had been. It doesn't sound like your friend has used the optimization feature at all, but rather deleted the staves in the Staff Tool or something similar. When you remove unused parts during optimization, the staff reference line distances (which is normally the top staffline pos of one staff to the top staffline pos of the staff below) from the Scroll View version of the score will be kept. Example: A score has 3 staves: Violin, Viola Cello. On one system Viola is not playing, and after the optimization the distance between Violin/Cello on that particular system will be the one that normally is between Viola/Viola. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Transpose note playback
Hello! I can't find where to transpose a note's playback pitch. TGTools' Harmonics uses this feature to transpose the played back harmonic, but I can't find how to do it from within Finale (without using plug-ins). In the MIDI Tool, the only options for a note that I can find start/stop time adjustments and velocity. Any ideas where this feature is found? (Btw, not looking for workarounds such as inserting non-printing transpose expressions.) Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale and Windows XP
One of the McKays writes: Has anyone used a Roland JV 30 successfully with Windows XP installed? I'd hate to buy a new computer and not be able to do my slow MIDI step entry of WinFin files! I think you instead should ask questions about the specific MIDI interface that you're using for connecting the keyboard. Also, check if the people having troubles with a specific MIDI interface under XP have tried using the Win2000 drivers. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
Is there a way to turn off the staff name display on only selected systems? I'm working on a score for a composer who sometimes uses one singer's staff for another singer's part. Apply a Staff Style for the region which hides the staff name. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Staff name display
David H. Bailey writes: I believe, in addition to the staff styles to apply once page layout has been set properly, that you can optimize the score without actually removing any empty staves, if you wish. After you do that I believe each staff name in each system is editable independently of all the other systems in the score. No, that's group names. Staff names are manipulated globally by the staff attributes or overridden localy by staff styles. Group names are manipulated globally in the non-optimized document and locally by optimized systems. However, group names can be created on an one-staff-only group to fake a staff name (and that way, the method David describes above can be used). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Tempo Studio FP
Tobias Giesen writes: was anybody aware of this Finale plug-in?! http://www.eternalcrafts.com/tsfp.htm I've mentioned it on this list before. Please feel free to visit: http://www.finaletips.nu/ for a list of 3rd party Finale plug-ins. ;-) Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] new to board...got a question...
Mark D. Lew writes: I'd sure love to be able to do that for cross-staffing. Lacking that, some sort of Mass Mover utility for cross-staffing en masse would be nice. If the cross-staff rhythm is consistent between measures, you should be able to do it with Robert's Mass Copy (or you could create a couple of different patterns in the scratch document). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: [Finale] Some related Finale ideas
Noel Stoutenburg writes: 1) Virtual dividers: click first one point, then on another, and the plug in will display the distance between the two points in your choice of units: inches, picas, mms, EVPU's, or spaces; I know that this isn't exactly what you're suggesting here, but FYI the Layout Manager in Forza! can currently display most distances/sizes/etc you'll need related to page layout (such as printed distance between first staff line of a system and top of page, or printed distance between first and last staff line on a system). The information can also be assembled into a report that can be printed. Available in the latest beta. Please let me know if you're missing any info. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] Re: [Finale] Another feature request
Noel Stoutenburg writes: Which leads me to another suggestion for an improvement to Finale: adding an entry point to the shape designer. At present, to access shape designer, one has to create a shape expression, an articulation, or a custom smart shape, If you're using the Quick Navigator in Forza!, you can access shapes/articulations/expressions/chords/etc directly without the need to attach it to an object in the document. You find it at Settings/Elements when designing the Quick Navigator menus. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Paul McCartney (Finale is easy?)
Roving Rowes writes: And now for an entirely different question: is there a way to get the various voices in a score to play back only on the left side or right side? Pan the staves. (Make sure the staves are on different channels.) Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
RE: [Finale] Octave plug-in
Finalewiz writes: What I need to do is actually ADD a note to the existing note, but an octave higher or lower (making a two-note chord) and then cue-size the additional note. Transpose only adjusts what is already there. Not if you use Preserve Original Notes, as Tobias explained. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] printing glitch?
Angela Turner writes: The marking appears fine on screen, and also in the PDF file. This process of elimination therefore makes me think that there is either a problem with this particular symbol within the Maestro font, or the printer(s) doesn't receive this symbol properly, or it is a freak combination of my system setup. (I doubt it is the latter as I have recently reformatted and reinstalled everything and this problem was occurring prior to this as well). Since it appear correctly in the PDF, I would guess that it's a printer driver issue when rendering the font character. Have you made sure you have downloaded the very latest version of printer driver? When you said you change to other another printer, was it a similar brand or a totally different printer? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Reorganize plugs
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz writes: This plug permits renaming, which is excellent. But it apparently doesn't auto-detect plugs? Correct. It's technically impossible to do with 100% accuracy. To be able to the track plug-in menu items even when they are renamed/moved/deleted or if there are items with identical names, the plug-in themselves must include QuickNavigator support (and QN must know how to talk to the 3rd party plug-in). Tobias and Robert have that support in their plug-ins. Neither the Finale native plugs, as you say, nor the Wedelmusic or Braille plugs are there, and half the JW ones are missing, as well as Forza's own rehearsal figures plug. Thanks for noticing the missing Forza! items. QN support for Rehearsal Figures, Tempo Viewer and Settings Transfer has now been added to version 0.16a, which is now available for download. If you need Wedelmusic or Braille to have Quick Navigator support, I can contact the authors of those plug-ins and ask them to implement it. Which JW plug-ins do you need Quick Navigator support for? Let me know, and I'll put it on my todo list. Having said that, the functionality of JW System Divider, JW Space Systems and JW Push Staves will soon be obsolete anyway if you use Forza! Also, I don't see an option to create flyout submenus. Did I miss it? Submenus within a Quick Navigator menu are dedicated to items in groups (such as Bookmarks/Layers/Staff Sets/etc). Also please try using multiple menu sets. Without at least the Finale native plugs included, this doesn't really solve the where is that doggone feature? problem. Will this aspect Forza (such as autodetect/refresh plugs) be completed for the pay version? My wallet is open! :) I have got this request before. I'll see if I can provide an acceptable solution somewhere in the future. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] A new revelation re chord accompaniment
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: No, I already tried that, it doesn't work. It changes all the instruments to the same channel. Probably not what they intended. You're obviously modifying the channel/GM sound for a defined instrument instead of selecting another defined instrument. Read the online reference if you need more info. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
[Finale] A bit TAN: Netscape 7
Hello! I've tested Netscape 7.0 (Windows version) for a couple of days, and I must say that this seems like the first web browser ever that I could recommend to others. It's _much_ faster than Netscape 6.x (in all kinds of areas, not just the surfing stuff). But the largest improvement is the UI: It has been simplified, enhanced, structured and optimized a lot! The user interface changes from Netscape 6 to Netscape 7 is absolutely a case that Coda should study IMO... Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Problem with slurs, help please
David H. Bailey writes: It sounds as if your file is corrupted somehow. It doesn't sounds like that to me. If the original poster gets a dotted rectangular box instead of of a slur, it sounds more like the poster is single-clicking instead of double-clicking before drag in the Smart Shape Tool. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Feeling ripped off
Lee Dengler writes: This means I (we) will have to pay for the fix. I already paid for it when I bought FIN2003 didn't I? No, reread the licence agreement. I went from 2001 to 2003. One of the main reasons I upgraded was for this feature. The bug is not as bad as you might think: You can turn OFF Engraver Slurs for one single slur if needed (and leaving it ON for the rest of the slurs). So if one occasional slur in the score is printed wrong, just turn off the engraver slurs feature for that one. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Problem with layers
Nico Schliemann writes: That was not my problem, as I changed this setting before I entered the kicks. The problem was, that everything dissapeared, and only the empty staves were left there (not only on that system), and that is what scares me a little. I solved it by moving the kicks to layer 3. I'll try it out if that happens with other files too (because I'm using a template from a publisher, and I shouldn't change the settings, or copy it to another file) It sounds like you're trying to set the global Layer Options to solve your notation problem regarding kicks. If that's the case, don't do that. Instead use Staff Styles. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Plugin idea
Aaron Sherber writes: I'd love to see a plugin that helps out with this. In particular, after I move the first group of measures so that the page break falls at the right place, I'd love to be able to select all of the measures on the page and distribute them optimally in one pass. Layout Manager in Forza! will do that, although it will give you a bit more options regarding measure distribution and page breaks than this. I'll see if I can put a draft of this specific feature in the next couple of betas. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Odd layout.
Michael Lawlor writes: This would be a simple explanation and easy to fix, except it is not true (for 2002a on Windows). I always have 'automatic update layout' set and have found a number of situations where the last system on a page is duplicated on the next page. I have usually had to use 'Redefine page' to fix this problem. Do you have Reflow Systems Across Page set in the Update Layout Options? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Odd layout.
helgesen writes: Why does this happen? Working on a three stave work, in scroll view, I go to page view (pre-print) and page one shows measures 1-6, 7-12, 13-18, 19-24. Page 2 shows 7-12, 13-18, 19--24, 25--30. Page 3 shows 13--18, 19-24, 25-30, 31-36. and so on! Easily fixed by Control U, (page update), but easy to miss at a quick glance. I got caught one time and did about a 17 page printout for 90-odd measures! Ouch! Because you have turned Automatic Update Layout OFF. There are many good reasons to turn this setting off, but you have to remember to update the layout yourself when needed. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Error in font spacing
Rafael Leonardo Junchaya writes: I am still in FinWin 2k2b. I enter my harp pedals with Engraver Text Times, the two lines version. Everything always worked out fine until today: when I reopend a file to extract parts, the kerning or spacing between characters had changed and I could only see B and E letters and far away two flats and nothing else. Have you switched to another operating system on the PC? The Engraver 2-line harp pedals character symbols are not correctly interpreted on all operating systems. (It doesn't work correctly on Win95/98 but it works on NT/2000 for example.) Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Speed of Mac Finale 2003
Dennis Bathory-Kitsz writes: Is screen redrawing still an issue? What's the speed of your system? How much RAM? What video card? The screen redrawing hasn't been especially noticeable to me for several years (since a Celeron 450MHz, 384MB RAM, Matrox 200(?) -- now using Athlon 1.4GHz, 512 MB RAM, Matrox 450 dual-head). How do you run MacOS on the Athlon processor? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Crescendos/Dimuendos over system breaks
David W. Fenton writes: And that's why I posted the question -- is this something new in WinFin2003 (or some version of Finale after WinFin97) that makes it much, much harder to fix this, when you make the mistake of *not* stopping short of the barline, as you suggest. Do you have the space after music set to a non-zero value? FWIW, make sure that you drag the right-side back far enough to the left when you are in Scroll View. If needed, you can adjust it to the right in Page View afterwards. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] meta-tool import
Eden - Lawrence D. writes: I want to use one of the ready-made templates that come with Finale, but I want to have my default file's meta-tools too. I Can't remember how to get my old settings into the new template... If you use FinWin2003, you can do it with the Settings Transfer component in Forza!. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure number regions
David W. Fenton writes: You like seeing 1:23 go to 2:1 and then 2:31 going to 3:1 and then 3:89 going to 90 and then 3:121 (which is displayed only as 121) going to 4:1, etc.? For your example, how about changing the program option to Display Actual Measure Numbers instead? You seem to not have considered that my lone measure 90 falls in the middle of the piece, in section 3 of a piece with 7 measure number regions. And you seem to not have considered people using stuff like prefix/suffix for the measure numbers. Should these users get all measure numbers displayed even wider than they now get, just because you've decided that everyone needs to see the region reference all the time (even for situations where there is one single measure of ambiguity in the whole piece)? Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Measure number regions
David W. Fenton writes: To me, Finale assumes wrong -- I *don't* know that at all, because who has time to keep track of how many measures there are in each section? Who cares? Of what use is that information? You don't need to keep track of the numbers of measures in each section. Finale will not display the region number when there are no ambiguities where the displayed measure number is. But you can still _enter_ the region number, even when Finale will not display it in the box for the specific measure. Or you can enter the physical measure number using the '#' character. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers Blank Notation
David W. Fenton writes: In this particular piece, I have no need at all for other layers except for playback of ornaments, so I can turn off second collision without a problem, but isn't it a bug that the blank notation is being used in spacing calculations? It didn't used to be so in Finale97 and earlier, and I think that's preferable. The new method (Finale 2002 and above) is much more flexible. You can turn ON/OFF spacing on 3 different levels (layer/note entry/note). You can also turn playback ON/OFF on 4 different levels (instrument list/layer/note entry/note). Layer options are available in the document options, entry and note settings are available in the [not-so-easy-to-use] Edit Frame. I have now created a tiny plug-in (called JW Spacing Playback) that you can download if you need it. This plug-in allows you to turn spacing (or playback) ON or OFF for a selection (such as notes in a single layer), without the need to modify the global layer options: http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/ Docs available at: http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/jwspacingplayback.html Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Collision of 2nds between layers Blank Notation
I wrote: I have now created a tiny plug-in (called JW Spacing Playback) that you can download if you need it. This plug-in allows you to turn spacing (or playback) ON or OFF for a selection (such as notes in a single layer), without the need to modify the global layer options: http://www.jwmusic.nu/freeplugins/ Off course I messed up the first version of that plug-in. Version 1.01 (now available for download) should actually work on the selected region... ;-) Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Voices vs Layers, accidental placement (was Re: Finale Don'ts ...)
Mark D. Lew writes: Another thing I prefer (which perhaps others don't?) is not to offset a single accidental beyond a suspended notehead unless it actually collides. For example, if I've got the chord G-B-C-E, downstem on the treble clef, and I put a flat on the E, I want it to appear exactly where it would if the chord was just G-C-E. Finale pushes it left, as if it were colliding with the notehead on the B. I always end up moving those. Is this a style difference, or is Finale just sloppy? I think this is just a convenience in the computer algorithm rather than an engraving standard. All books I looked in, say that the accidental should be placed close to the notehead in these situations. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale Don'ts - was Lyrics Freakout
Christopher BJ Smith writes: One big advantage of voices, however, is that accidentals are automatically offset correctly when two or more occur between voices on the same beat, but they aren't when they occur between layers, necessitating invoking the Special Tool, which I hate. How do you get that to work? I tested adding 1 note in each voice a third appart with accidentals on both those notes and I couldn't see any difference of accidental placement compared to using layers (still accidental collisions). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] My Own Wishlist to Coda (Mac, quite long)
Johannes Gebauer writes: The project I am working on we haven't decided on certain things like the fonts to use for clefs, meter, etc. I want to show the client several versions, while also going on with the work. So for each combination I saved a doc settings library. Now I can switch between the different looks. As far as I can see I cannot do a similar thing with Forza, unless I have documents with the relevant settings, and then I have to select the right elements for each change. Unless I misunderstood something, you just save the documents you send to your client on your own computer as well. When the client says I go for the look of document x, you just (using Forza!) transfer all the document settings from that document to the document that reflect the current editing state. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] My Own Wishlist to Coda (Mac, quite long)
Matthew Hindson writes: The good thing about libraries is that I can store elements in them for use in a couple of years time if needs be. If such information were to be stored only within documents, and then transferred to a new document, then I have to remember which documents they were stored in, etc. More hassle and more brainwork (IMO). To me, it sounds there is more brainwork required with the library concept. Each library file can just store one single type of data. A document file can store all kinds of data, so one (house style or style sheet) document can store all the elements needed for a specific look, while multiple library files would be needed to achieve the same thing. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Articulation substitution (Explain this one!)
Richard Yates writes: A little investigation showed that the lower case letters were the Articulation Metatool keys that I had assigned to the respective articulations! Is that strange or what? Any suggestions? Have you been able to recreate it from a Finale file yourself? Did you get the identical file back that they used for the PDF? This sounds like a user error to me (perhaps: they discovered some error, edited an articulation and saw a number in parenthesis, changed the articulation to match the number in parenthesis). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Re: Finale digest, Vol 1 #206 - 13 msgs
Skippy Mardon writes: I have ruined several songs(in Print Music) because they are missing one or more beats, and I don't know how to insert one beat and move everything over. The bar lines are also off one or more beats. Check if PrintMusic has a command called Rebar. That's the thing you usually use in Finale to reflow music if beats are missing or if there are too many beats in a measure. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Wish List
Richard Walker writes: 1. Linkage between scores and extracted parts. If I update one, the other should be updated automatically. Ideally, extracted parts could be viewed in some sort of pop-up window from the main score--triple click an instrument name and its part comes up for editing. IMO, having this as a fully-automatic feature is a bad idea. What if you want a note in the score that shouldn't be put in the part? This kind of update is also very slow, so it has to be done when the user tells he got time for the update. Btw, I believe Tobias talked about working on a score-to-part updater between documents (for Fin2003). 4. Intelligent guitar parts. If you have a chord symbol and a slash rhythm, you ought to hear a guitar playing it with no further effort on your part. Granted, the voicings might need tweaking. For Jazz, this is what the Jazz rythm section plug-in in Fin2003 can be used for. 6. Shortcuts for common transpositions. Sibelius does this very well. Shift-up arrow transposes up an octave, shift-down arrow goes down an octave. Need a coupling in diatonic thirds? Press shift-3 (main keyboard). Fourths? Press shift-4. You already have programmable metatool keys for your own transpositions (6 through 9). Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: [Finale] Finale wish list
Johannes Gebauer writes: But I want to coordinate my own wish list in a way that I don't request a completely different hadnling of expressions in the future from other people since there are several ways certain things can be improved. I am simply trying to refresh my own memory on what things are missing and how they should be included. Often when I have reported problems here people came up with a possible solution I hadn't even thought about. Have you looked at John Greschak's old IWBNI list? http://www.greschak.com/notation/finale/iwbni/ Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
Re: Score and parts Linkage (was [Finale] Wish List )
Colin Broom writes: [Dreamy unrealistic musing that's never going to happen follows:] The idea of score and parts being linked is interesting and I've thought about this a lot (doesn't Igor have an interesting way of dealing with this? Anyone know how it works?) One could have a separate part view and score view, like a much more advanced version of the special part extraction, whereby you can switch between one part and another and make changes to bars per system, etc. The advantages of this are obvious. FWIW, it's not a big deal to build a score-to-part-updater plug-in in Fin2003. As I said eariler, I think Tobias is planning on doing this. But IMO, going for the Igor solution (one file for everything) is not the right path to follow, though. Best regards, Jari Williamsson ICQ #: 78036563 ___ Finale mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.shsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/finale
