Re: [Fink-beginners] Replace XFree86 with Apple's X11
Roger Butland wrote: [] 3) As I did not use fink to install XFree86, how will dpkg know which files to remove ? It will not. Self-installed X11 packages are not managed by fink, you have to do this yourself. You first have to determine which Fink xfree86 packages you have installed according to fink (fink list -i xfree). If all is well, you should only see system-xfree86 system-xfree86-dev system-xfree86-shlibs which are in fact virtual packages that show up automatically when fink detects a valid X11 installation. You don't install or remove them yourself. The procedure for replacing your xfree86 installation by Apple's X11 is very simple. You don't need a complete backup (well, a backup is always a good thing, so I don't want to discourage you from making one, but it is really not a big deal), you just move the old installation out of the way sudo mv /usr/X11R6 /usr/X11R6_xfree sudo mv /etc/X11 /etc/X11_xfree At this point, fink list -i xfree should not show anything at all any more. Then you install Apple's two X11 packages (X11User and X11SDK). That's it. fink list -i xfree should now show you the 3 system-xfree* packages again and you are ready to go. If you want to clean up completely, you can remove the directories that you moved out of the way plus the /Applications/XDarwin.app bundle, but this is not necessary. By renaming the /usr/X11R6 and /etc/X11 directories (most easily done using symbolic links), you can even switch back and forth between the old and new installations. -- Martin --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] Failed: installing kiten-3.3.2-21 failed
Can somebody provide help with installing kiten-3.3.2-21 failed? I have everything of the latest and the newest and unstable. Only my Titanium Powerbook G4 500 MHz is already 3.77 years old. Heinz _ /usr/bin/install -d -m 755 /sw/src/root-kiten-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions /bin/mv /sw/src/root-kdeedu3-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/edit_add* /sw/src/root-kiten-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/ mv: rename /sw/src/root-kdeedu3-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/edit_add* to /sw/src/root-kiten-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/edit_add*: No such file or directory ### execution of /bin/mv failed, exit code 1 Failed: installing kiten-3.3.2-21 failed --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] Replace XFree86 with Apple's X11
On Dec 19, 2004, at 9:18 PM, Roger Butland wrote: I want to replace XFree86 with Apple's X11 and I think I can use the dpkg -r --force-depends ... command.However, before I do this I would like to back-up my disk on to the Secondary HD using perhaps Carbon Copy Cloner. The binary version of XFree86 was successfully installed on Mac OS-X 10.3.6 (now 10.3.7) using sh Xinstall.sh. Then you can't use dpkg -r. dpkg only knows about package that it installed (i.e anything installed by Fink, but nothing else). You'll need to do it manually, cf.: http://fink.sourceforge.net/doc/x11/inst-xfree86.php#switching-x11 under where it says: If, on the other hand, you have an X11 version that was not installed via Fink Questions: 1)Will there be a problem at start up if I have two bootable HD's ? No 2) I do not want to sync the HD's until I am satisfied that the Apple's X11 is working correctly.How can I ensure that the dpkg -r --force-depends ... command will only affect the files on my Macintosh HD and not the Secondary HD ? If you were removing a Fink-installed XFree86 you'd be safe because dpkg has a database of every file that was installed via Fink. It removes only those files that were installed in /sw (assuming a default setup), and if you mirror one HD to another, the backup directory would be /Volumes/Disk2/sw (or whatever you called the second one). However... 3) As I did not use fink to install XFree86, how will dpkg know which files to remove ? Is there another command that I should use to determine the dependances or can I use dpkg at a Terminal Window without any additional commands ? They aren't in its database, so it won't remove anything. 4) I don't think that I will have installed the threaded version of XFree86 so I am thinking of applying the dpkg -r --force-depends to xfree86-base, xfree86-base-shlibs, xfree86-rootless and xfree-rootless-shlibs.However, why is system-xfree86 sometimes removed and should I ? The instructions say to remove old-style system-xfree86 packages because they prevent the new virtual package built in to current versions of fink from working. Thanks in advance Roger -- Alexander Hansen Fink Documentarian [Day Job] Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] Failed: installing kiten-3.3.2-21 failed
On Dec 20, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Heinz Nabielek wrote: Can somebody provide help with installing kiten-3.3.2-21 failed? I have everything of the latest and the newest and unstable. Only my Titanium Powerbook G4 500 MHz is already 3.77 years old. Heinz _ /usr/bin/install -d -m 755 /sw/src/root-kiten-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions /bin/mv /sw/src/root-kdeedu3-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/ edit_add* /sw/src/root-kiten-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/ mv: rename /sw/src/root-kdeedu3-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/ edit_add* to /sw/src/root-kiten-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/ edit_add*: No such file or directory ### execution of /bin/mv failed, exit code 1 Failed: installing kiten-3.3.2-21 failed According to a thread on -users, there's something missing in the source. -- Alexander Hansen Fink Documentarian [Day Job] Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] Re: Failed: installing kiten-3.3.2-21 failed
Heinz Nabielek heinznabielek at mac.com writes: Can somebody provide help with installing kiten-3.3.2-21 failed? I have everything of the latest and the newest and unstable. Only my Titanium Powerbook G4 500 MHz is already 3.77 years old. Heinz _ /usr/bin/install -d -m 755 /sw/src/root-kiten-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions /bin/mv /sw/src/root-kdeedu3-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/edit_add* /sw/src/root-kiten-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/ mv: rename /sw/src/root-kdeedu3-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/edit_add* to /sw/src/root-kiten-3.3.2-21/sw/share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/edit_add*: No such file or directory ### execution of /bin/mv failed, exit code 1 Failed: installing kiten-3.3.2-21 failed --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ I had the same problem. Here is a way to get past that error. Do the following as root. Backup the appropriate kdeedu3.info file. Mine was in /sw/fink/10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/kde/. % cd /sw/fink/10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/kde %cp kdeedu3.info kdeedu3.info.old Now edit the kdeedu3.info file. %open -e kdeedu3.info Find the lines: SplitOff6: Package: kiten several lines excluded share/icons/locolor/16x16/actions/edit_add* share/icons/locolor/16x16/actions/edit_remove* share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/edit_add* share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/edit_remove* Delete the lines: share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/edit_add* share/icons/locolor/22x22/actions/edit_remove* Now it should look like this. SplitOff6: Package: kiten several lines excluded share/icons/locolor/16x16/actions/edit_add* share/icons/locolor/16x16/actions/edit_remove* Save the file. Now try compiling again. This worked for me. I hope this helps, Chris --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] Re: Failed: installing kiten-3.3.2-21 failed
At 5:05 PM + 12/20/04, Chris wrote: Do the following as root. Backup the appropriate kdeedu3.info file. (lots snipped) Should I try the same fix on 10.2-gcc3.3? --robert --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] Re: Failed: installing kiten-3.3.2-21 failed
Chris wrote: Actually, the package has been updated now, but... Backup the appropriate kdeedu3.info file. Mine was in /sw/fink/10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/kde/. % cd /sw/fink/10.3/unstable/main/finkinfo/kde %cp kdeedu3.info kdeedu3.info.old Now edit the kdeedu3.info file. ...you should never edit in /sw/fink/*/unstable or stable directly, instead copy the file to your local tree and edit there instead. If you're using CVS you'll get conflicts, and if you're using rsync, your changes will get overwritten, when doing selfupdates. If you want to make local changes, always do them in the local area. -- Benjamin Reed, a.k.a. Ranger Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://ranger.befunk.com/ You CAN'T clean the toilet, Neil, it'll lose all it's character! -- Vyvyan --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] Installing grass
Hi, I tried to sudo fink install grass with the following error: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gdal-shlibs: gdal-shlibs depends on unixodbc2-shlibs; however: Package unixodbc2-shlibs is not installed. ... I then discovered that there is grass5.7, so I entered: sudo fink remove grass which said there was nothing to uninstall. Next I entered: sudo fink install grass5.7 which resulted in: dpkg -i /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/database/unixodbc2-shlibs_2.2.6-10_darwin-powerpc.deb Selecting previously deselected package unixodbc2-shlibs. dpkg: considering removing unixodbc2-nox-shlibs in favour of unixodbc2-shlibs ... dpkg: no, cannot remove unixodbc2-nox-shlibs (--auto-deconfigure will help): unixodbc2-nox depends on unixodbc2-nox-shlibs (= 2.2.6-10) unixodbc2-nox-shlibs is to be removed. dpkg: regarding .../unixodbc2-shlibs_2.2.6-10_darwin-powerpc.deb containing unixodbc2-shlibs: unixodbc2-shlibs conflicts with unixodbc2-nox-shlibs unixodbc2-nox-shlibs (version 2.2.6-10) is installed. dpkg: error processing /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/database/unixodbc2-shlibs_2.2.6-10_darwin-powerpc.deb (--install): conflicting packages - not installing unixodbc2-shlibs Errors were encountered while processing: /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/database/unixodbc2-shlibs_2.2.6-10_darwin-powerpc.deb ### execution of dpkg failed, exit code 1 Failed: can't install package unixodbc2-shlibs-2.2.6-10 In the past I past I have searched the archives by going (I think) to the Fink mailling list web page and clicking on Archives in the line fink-beginners(Archives, NNTP). But now I can't seem to get to the archives. os x 1.3.7 frank --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] Installing grass
On Dec 20, 2004, at 2:22 PM, Frank Schmittroth wrote: Hi, I tried to sudo fink install grass with the following error: dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of gdal-shlibs: gdal-shlibs depends on unixodbc2-shlibs; however: Package unixodbc2-shlibs is not installed. ... I then discovered that there is grass5.7, so I entered: sudo fink remove grass which said there was nothing to uninstall. That's because you didn't install grass--you partially installed gdal-shlibs, and that's where things stopped. Next I entered: sudo fink install grass5.7 which resulted in: dpkg -i /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/database/unixodbc2- shlibs_2.2.6-10_darwin-powerpc.deb Selecting previously deselected package unixodbc2-shlibs. dpkg: considering removing unixodbc2-nox-shlibs in favour of unixodbc2-shlibs ... dpkg: no, cannot remove unixodbc2-nox-shlibs (--auto-deconfigure will help): unixodbc2-nox depends on unixodbc2-nox-shlibs (= 2.2.6-10) unixodbc2-nox-shlibs is to be removed. dpkg: regarding .../unixodbc2-shlibs_2.2.6-10_darwin-powerpc.deb containing unixodbc2-shlibs: unixodbc2-shlibs conflicts with unixodbc2-nox-shlibs unixodbc2-nox-shlibs (version 2.2.6-10) is installed. dpkg: error processing /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/database/unixodbc2- shlibs_2.2.6-10_darwin-powerpc.deb (--install): conflicting packages - not installing unixodbc2-shlibs Errors were encountered while processing: /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/database/unixodbc2- shlibs_2.2.6-10_darwin-powerpc.deb ### execution of dpkg failed, exit code 1 Failed: can't install package unixodbc2-shlibs-2.2.6-10 Hmm...it looks like you need to get rid of unixodbc2-nox. You might try just removing that by itself. In the past I past I have searched the archives by going (I think) to the Fink mailling list web page and clicking on Archives in the line fink-beginners(Archives, NNTP). But now I can't seem to get to the archives. Works here--I get the GMANE archive. os x 1.3.7 frank -- Alexander Hansen Fink Documentarian [Day Job] Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] Re: Installing grass
On Mon, 20 Dec 2004 15:47:49 -0500, Alexander K. Hansen wrote: /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/binary-darwin-powerpc/database/unixodbc2- shlibs_2.2.6-10_darwin-powerpc.deb ### execution of dpkg failed, exit code 1 Failed: can't install package unixodbc2-shlibs-2.2.6-10 Hmm...it looks like you need to get rid of unixodbc2-nox. You might try just removing that by itself. Thanks Alexander. That seems to work so far (still compiling). Did also have to remove unixodbx2-nox.shlibs as well. Frank --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] kdepim3-3.3.2-11 failed
On 10.2-gcc3.3 kdepim3 failed to compile. Knowing that this may not be enough output, I have posted the complete output here: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~bentones/development/ (this particular file is: 20041220kdepim3.txt) ld: warning multiple definitions of symbol KProtocolInfo::isHelperProtocol(QString const) /sw/lib/libkdecore.dylib(single module) definition of KProtocolInfo::isHelperProtocol(QString const) /sw/lib/libkio.dylib(single module) definition of KProtocolInfo::isHelperProtocol(QString const) ld: warning multiple definitions of symbol _mkstemp /sw/lib/libkdecore.dylib(single module) definition of _mkstemp /usr/lib/libpthread.dylib(mktemp.So) definition of _mkstemp /usr/bin/libtool: internal link edit command failed make[2]: *** [libkolabwizard.la] Error 1 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make: *** [all] Error 2 NAME-3.3.2-11 make-build failed! ### execution of /var/tmp/tmp.1.qxbRsa failed, exit code 1 Failed: compiling kdepim3-3.3.2-11 failed Mon Dec 20 04:43:03 CST 2004 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] kdetoys3-3.3.2-11 successful
kdetoys3 3.3.2-11 successfully compiled on 10.2-gcc3.3 output is available: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~bentones/development/20041220kdetoys3.txt There was a lot of this stuff at the end but I'm not sure if it's unusual: Setting up kdetoys3 (3.3.2-11) ... QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used QPixmap: Cannot create a QPixmap when no GUI is being used Warning: kbuildsycoca is unable to register with DCOP. kbuildsycoca running... kbuildsycoca: Recreating ksycoca file (/sw/share/services/ksycoca, version 75) kbuildsycoca: WARNING: Property 'X-KDE-Weight' is defined multiple times (KOfficeFilter) kbuildsycoca: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /sw/etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged/kde-essential.menu kbuildsycoca: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /sw/etc/xdg/menus/kde-settings.menu kbuildsycoca: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /sw/etc/xdg/menus/kde-information.menu kbuildsycoca: Directory and kde-information.directory requires combining! kbuildsycoca: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: /sw/etc/xdg/menus/kde-screensavers.menu kbuildsycoca: Directory and kde-system-screensavers.directory requires combining! kbuildsycoca: Menu applications-kmenuedit.menu not found. kbuildsycoca: VFolderMenu::mergeFile: kbuildsycoca: Processing KDE Legacy dirs for KDE kbuildsycoca: processKDELegacyDirs() kbuildsycoca: Looking up applications under /sw/share/applications/ kbuildsycoca: Looking up applications under /sw/share/applications/kde/ kbuildsycoca: Moving Settings/Information to Information kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'kfile_ooo.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.global' kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'kfile_ooo.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'application/vnd.sun.xml.writer.math' kbuildsycoca: WARNING: 'Edutainment/Languages/kvoctrain.desktop' specifies undefined mimetype/servicetype 'text/x-kvtml' i kdetoys3 3.3.2-11 i kdetoys3-base3.3.2-11 --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] kdetoys3-3.3.2-11 successful
Robert T Wyatt wrote: kdetoys3 3.3.2-11 successfully compiled on 10.2-gcc3.3 output is available: http://uts.cc.utexas.edu/~bentones/development/20041220kdetoys3.txt There was a lot of this stuff at the end but I'm not sure if it's unusual: it's harmless, doing it at install time speeds up startup just a little bit. -- Benjamin Reed, a.k.a. Ranger Rick [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://ranger.befunk.com/ I'm not a robot like you. I don't like having disks crammed into me... unless they're Oreos, and then only in the mouth. -- Fry --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
[Fink-beginners] Re: Replace XFree86 with Apple's X11
Thanks to Martin and Alexander for their comments. The fink list -i xfree lists only the three system-xfree86 files as expected but Fink Commander list them as not installed. There are other folders on my computer which may be connected to the XFree86 XDarwin installation: /~/Library/Darwin-X11 /~/Library/Darwin-ppc-7 /private/etc/X11where ~ is my home directory /usr/include/X11 /~/Library/Preferences/org.xfree.XDarwin.plist Presumably I should not delete or move these ?(I may have run X11SKD.pkg at an earlier time) What is the difference between using symbolic links and the mv move command ? Fink cannot find make so should I install Apple's Xcode Tools using Apple's Developer.mpkg or can Fink do this ? Also, I cannot find Apple's X11 User package although X11SKD.pkg is under the Xcode Tools/Packages folder.Where can I find Apple's X11 User ? After reading Fink's documentation I am not sure if I can install X11 User using Fink ? Roger --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners
Re: [Fink-beginners] Re: Replace XFree86 with Apple's X11
On Dec 20, 2004, at 10:26 PM, Roger Butland wrote: Thanks to Martin and Alexander for their comments. The fink list -i xfree lists only the three system-xfree86 files as expected but Fink Commander list them as not installed. OK--they aren't normal packages so this is fine. There are other folders on my computer which may be connected to the XFree86 XDarwin installation: /~/Library/Darwin-X11 /~/Library/Darwin-ppc-7 /private/etc/X11where ~ is my home directory /usr/include/X11 /~/Library/Preferences/org.xfree.XDarwin.plist Presumably I should not delete or move these ?(I may have run X11SKD.pkg at an earlier time) You can leave them. What is the difference between using symbolic links and the mv move command ? Basically you'd have something like the following: /usr/X11R6.Apple /usr/X11R6.XFree86 /etc/X11.Apple /etc/X11.XFree86 These would be real directories, which you would create via mv (e.g. sudo mv /usr/X11R6 /usr/X11R6.Apple for Apple's X11). You'd then make symbolic links /usr/X11R6 /etc/X11 that point to either the Apple or XFree86 version. Or you could physically copy or move the directories--the symbolic link method is nice because it helps prevent accidental deletions. Fink cannot find make so should I install Apple's Xcode Tools using Apple's Developer.mpkg or can Fink do this ? Yes. Also, I cannot find Apple's X11 User package although X11SKD.pkg is under the Xcode Tools/Packages folder.Where can I find Apple's X11 User ? On disk 3 of your OS 10.3 CDs After reading Fink's documentation I am not sure if I can install X11 User using Fink ? It comes with the OS, so you're supposed to take care of that yourself. Roger -- Alexander K. Hansen Fink Documentarian Day Job: Levitated Dipole Experiment http://www.psfc.mit.edu/LDX --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://productguide.itmanagersjournal.com/ ___ Fink-beginners mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/fink-beginners