Re: [Fink-devel] Building packages to use Java-1.7+ (or handling Java in general)

2014-05-21 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 5/21/14, 4:51 PM, Alexander Hansen wrote:
 Anybody happen to know what the best way to handle builds against 
 Oracle's JDKs?  They don't use a framework, there's not an
 unversioned link anywhere so using hardcoded paths is fragile, and
 the preferred method of @rpath is problematic because of those
 hardcoded paths--in particular I'm thinking about libjvm.dylib,
 which typically has the following:

Is there anything that actually links against libjvm.dylib?  There
shouldn't be...

The JNI interface/header hasn't changed since at least 1.5 (other than
adding a #define at the top for eg JNI_VERSION_1_8.  When building JNI
libraries, you should be allowing undefined symbols so that you only
make a .jnilib/.so with no references to libjvm.dylib.

The only reason you should care about which JDK you're pointing at,
for building purposes, is:

1) Newer versions make jar files that are incompatible with older
   ones, so if you want your jar to be loadable in a 1.6 JVM,
   you should build it with a 1.6 or older JVM.  Alternatively,
   sometimes it's OK to pass -target 1.6 to a newer javac and
   it will build a jar file compatible with the 1.6 JVM, but that
   can be problematic if the code uses class libraries that have
   changed in the newer JDK.
2) The code itself is using a particular flavor of java source
   (ie, it is using source code constructs that only work with JDK
   6 or higher).

If you're only building a JNI module against jni.h, you should be able
to use literally any JDK that's on supported versions of OSX at this
point, and it'll load.  The companion java code that comes with most
JNI modules, however, is still subject to the rules above, but you
shouldn't have to worry about library paths at build time.  Just
finding an appropriate javac.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Building packages to use Java-1.7+ (or handling Java in general)

2014-05-21 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Oop, did more digging, and I was wrong.  There *are* some header
things that change, so the rules for linking a jnilib should be the
same for jars; if you build it on any 1.6 JDK, it should load on any
later JDK, and so on.  You can't build a jnilib with 1.6 and have it
run on 1.5.

That said, as far as libjvm.dylib goes, you shouldn't be linking
against it at all, so the rest of my last email is still relevant.  :)

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Re: [Fink-devel] Building packages to use Java-1.7+ (or handling Java in general)

2014-05-21 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 5/21/14, 6:30 PM, Alexander Hansen wrote:
 Maybe upstream oughtn't be linking it then?

I suppose if you're actually embedding the JVM *into* your program,
maybe?  That's the only reason I can think of that linking libjvm
would actually be legitimate.  99% of native code relating to the JVM
is jnilibs (ie, bundles/loadable modules), which should not be linking
to it.


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[Fink-devel] FYI: Big Qt Changes Committed

2011-05-17 Thread Benjamin Reed

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I'm committing BIG updates to the Qt4 packages.  I've been putting this
off for a while now, but because phonon is a moving target (and KDE 4.6
will require a newer phonon than what is provided in Qt) I've finally
bitten the bullet and chopped the qt4-* packages up into smaller pieces,
using the -unified model for replacements.

The major changes are:

* Every shared library gets a separate -shlibs file
* QtWebKit is split into separate packages
* Phonon is split into separate packages

I'm pleasantly surprised by how many things have very few dependencies
on Qt.  Plenty of stuff *only* needs QtCore, or QtCore/QtNetwork/QtGui
at runtime, so the deb-dependencies actually get quite a bit smaller
when chopped up this way.

- -If- you upgrade part way, your packages will be in an inconsistent
state, but the actual files should always be consistent.  In other
words, qt4-base-*, qtwebkit-*, and phonon-* Replaces: the existing qt4-*
packages, but it doesn't Conflicts: with them.  There are new
qt4-(x11|mac)-* packages which use fink-obsolete-packages to provide a
clean upgrade path; once they are installed, you should have a
consistent package database and filesystem.

No matter how much testing I can do, I'm sure someone will run into
issues, so I wanted to warn people.  =)  Please let me know if you hit
any issues, I'll look into them as soon as humanly possible.

This lays the groundwork for finally getting KDE up to 4.6, which is
next on my list.  =)



Appendix A: Old To New Package Mappings

qt4-(mac|x11)-gui-shlibs:
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  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtgui-shlibs
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-help-shlibs
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtopengl-shlibs
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtscripttools-shlibs
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtsvg-shlibs
  qtwebkit-(mac|x11)-shlibs
  phonon-(mac|x11)-shlibs

qt4-(mac|x11)-core-shlibs:
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtcore-shlibs
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtnetwork-shlibs
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtscript-shlibs
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtsql-shlibs
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qttest-shlibs
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtxml-shlibs
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtxmlpatterns-shlibs

qt4-(mac|x11)-designer:
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-designer

qt4-(mac|x11)-designer-shlibs:
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtdesigner-shlibs
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-qtdesignercomponents-shlibs

qt4-(mac|x11)-linguist:
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-linguist

qt4-(mac|x11)-doc:
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)-doc

qt4-(mac|x11):
  qt4-base-(mac|x11)

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Re: [Fink-devel] UseMaxBuildJobs

2011-05-02 Thread Benjamin Reed

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On 5/2/11 12:00 PM, Jack Howarth wrote:
 Benjamin,
 I think you misunderstood my request. I am not asking that...

 UseMaxBuildJobs: true

 be default on. Rather I am asking that fink extends its current behavior
 for new installations of defaulting to adding an entry for

 UseMaxBuildJobs=N

Yeah, we talked about this in IRC a bit. I did misunderstand; your
proposal seems reasonable, since it shouldn't affect anything that
wasn't already explicitly OK'd by the maintainer with UseMaxBuildJobs.

+1

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Re: [Fink-devel] updated llvm-clang/llvm-gcc42 packaging and new dragonegg-gcc packaging

2011-04-09 Thread Benjamin Reed
On 4/8/11 9:51 PM, Jack Howarth wrote:
I've uploaded a new llvm-clang package to replace the existing llvm
 package and an updated llvm-gcc42 package.

I don't see how this could work; old llvm-gcc42 depends on llvm and 
llvm-shlibs (with an = no less), so you can't have llvm-clang 
Conflict/Replace llvm/llvm-shlibs without llvm-gcc42 holding it back.

That's why newer llvms in fink are put off into %p/opt, because the 
original llvm and llvm-gcc42 packages are un-upgradeable without manual 
intervention.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Version control migration?

2011-02-07 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 2/7/11 11:16 AM, Max Horn wrote:
 But by using git + github.com, we could combine the advantages of both 
 Subversion and git:

+100

I think this is a great idea!


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Re: [Fink-devel] dbus-1.24 repeted crashes

2010-11-24 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 11/24/10 9:30 AM, Alexander Hansen wrote:
 On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 2:53 AM, Olivier Kaloudoff ka...@kalou.net wrote:
 Hi,

I'm affected by a known bug with dbus;

 imac:~ kalou$ ls -ltr /Library/Logs/DiagnosticReports/ | tail -2
 -rw-rw@ 1 root  admin  2233 Nov 24 08:37
 dbus-daemon_2010-11-24-083750_localhost.crash
 -rw-rw@ 1 root  admin  2234 Nov 24 08:39
 dbus-daemon_2010-11-24-083944_localhost.crash


 It is described here and patch available. What is the best way to get it
 into fink ?
 
 Send a note directly to the maintainer (from fink info dbus) so that
 it's on his TODO list.  Also, when you do that, make sure to indicate
 your OS version and Fink architecture.

I happened to catch this email, so I went ahead and added the patch real
quick.

Fix is committed to unstable, should be making it's way to the mirrors soon.

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Re: [Fink-devel] new virtual pacakge? (was Re: [Fink-users] opensync failed again - cmake does not compile)

2010-10-25 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 10/25/10 4:34 AM, Martin Costabel wrote:
 although there is no jni.h of version 1.6.0 anywhere. This looks doubly 
 wrong now. I don't have the time to unravel the unholy spaghetti heap of 
 symlinks in Apple's java stuff, but this seems to need some more work.

Unfortunately, Apple decided to move everything around.  There *is* no
version of jni.h in any versioned libraries, on purpose.  :(

The jni.h in /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Headers/jni.h
is canonical for all builds, and there's no version-specific places to
ask for jni.h anymore, by design.  (According to Alexander Strange,
who's interning with the Java group.)

I've already opened a bug to Apple about it, but I can't imagine we'd be
lucky enough to get an update that fixes $JAVA_HOME to look like /every
other java home in the world/.

Feel free to post your own and we can hope duplicates still count as
votes in the Apple world.  Here's what I posted:

http://openradar.appspot.com/radar?id=781401


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Re: [Fink-devel] new virtual pacakge? (was Re: [Fink-users] opensync failed again - cmake does not compile)

2010-10-24 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 10/24/10 8:54 PM, David R. Morrison wrote:
 We're going to need to devise a test which can detect whether the user has 
 done this, and gives some reasonable message if not.  I'm not sure if this 
 should just be a new virtual package that certain things should depend on, or 
 a new condition for the revised java virtual package, or something more 
 fundamental within fink itself.  It's a buildtime, not a runtime, issue, so 
 we may want a new vertual package.

If people's stuff using java would builddep on system-java-dev, then
we'd know whether the user had it or not.  ;)  (Although in the case of
CMake it sounds like an esoteric thing that's not really used, so...)

We should probably update the description for the virtual package to
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Re: [Fink-devel] Shlibs: install_name and compatibility version

2010-09-22 Thread Benjamin Reed
  On 9/22/10 10:06 AM, Ebrahim Mayat wrote:
 To recap the build and install scripts and the SplitOff field are:

 CompileScript:
#!/bin/sh -ev
/bin/mkdir build
cd build
%p/bin/cmake \
-DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=%i \
..
 
 InstallScript:
#!/bin/sh -ev
cd build
/usr/bin/make install
 

 SplitOff:
Package: %N-shlibs
Depends: readline5-shlibs (= 5.0-1006), libsndfile1-shlibs (=
 1.0.20-1), libflac8
Files: lib/*.*.dylib
Shlibs: %p/lib/libfluidsynth.1.dylib 1.0.0 %n (= 1.1.1-280)
DocFiles: COPYING README
 


 I tried changing the install script to   make install DESTDIR=%p  but
 this did not make much of a difference.

%i would be wrong, you tell cmake the *real* install prefix, and then 
use DESTDIR to set it to the temporary root (%d).  Otherwise, %i is the 
build directory: /sw/src/fink.build/package/foo/sw and then DESTDIR=%p 
makes it put another /sw at the front: /sw/sw/src/fink.build/package/foo/sw

You want this:

CompileScript: 
   #!/bin/sh -ev
   /bin/mkdir build
   cd build
   %p/bin/cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=%p ..

InstallScript: 
   #!/bin/sh -ev
   cd build
   /usr/bin/make install DESTDIR=%d


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Re: [Fink-devel] Shlibs: install_name and compatibility version

2010-09-20 Thread Benjamin Reed
  On 9/20/10 5:03 PM, Ebrahim Mayat wrote:
 Since we are in the process of migrating to cmake from autotools, i 
 would like to rectify this error.

This is a common issue with cmake projects.  People write the cmake bits 
on linux and don't realize they're missing settings for proper ld 
initialization on other platforms.  :)


You generally need something along the lines of this in CMakeLists.txt:

set (LIB_SUFFIX  CACHE STRING Define suffix of directory name (32/64) )
set (LIB_DESTINATION ${CMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX}/lib${LIB_SUFFIX} CACHE 
STRING Library directory name)

set(CMAKE_INSTALL_RPATH_USE_LINK_PATH  TRUE)
set(CMAKE_INSTALL_RPATH ${LIB_DESTINATION} )

if(APPLE)
set(CMAKE_INSTALL_NAME_DIR ${LIB_DESTINATION})
endif(APPLE)

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Re: [Fink-devel] Maven 2.2.1

2010-08-09 Thread Benjamin Reed

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On 8/9/10 3:29 AM, Trevor Harmon wrote:
 I've created a new plugin that bumps the upstream version to the latest
stable release (2.2.1) and also fixes the aforementioned bug. However,
my attempts to contact the maintainer (in early June) have been
unsuccessful.
Sorry, I've been swamped and have a huge queue of stuff that has been
triaged, but not acted upon, in my mail.  :P

Thanks for the update, it looks sane to me, I've committed it to unstable.

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Re: [Fink-devel] gcc45 build fails on two 10.6 64-bit machines

2010-06-02 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 6/2/10 7:55 PM, Jack Howarth wrote:
   One possible workaround might be to change gcc45.info
 to reduce the number of parallel builds so that the
 load sensitivity is reduced. So instead of using...

  num_cpu=$(echo `sysctl -n hw.ncpu`)
  make -j $num_cpu

 we would reduce num_cpu by one if greater
 than one so that the build is either serial
 or leaves a free core whenever building in parallel.
 This won't 'fix' the problem but it might make
 it less likely.

So if GCC's build is not repeatably compatible with -jN, then it
should probably not be doing it by default.  :P

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Re: [Fink-devel] gcc45 build fails on two 10.6 64-bit machines

2010-06-02 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 6/2/10 8:10 PM, William G. Scott wrote:
 Anything to speed this build up is delightful.

Well sure, but not knowing if it's going to fail 10 hours into it is
not so delightful.  ;)

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[Fink-devel] Algorithm::C3 Dependency Loop

2010-06-01 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Algorithm::C3 BuildDepends on Module::Build, but Module::Build pulls
in Algorithm::C3.  This works on 10.6, where a version of
Module::Build already exists in the default Perl install, but not
elsewhere.

I've got a small patch that adds a Makefile.PL and uses the default
Perl install instead, mind if I commit?

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[Fink-devel] openexr split

2010-05-21 Thread Benjamin Reed
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OpenEXR has been split into 2 packages, openexr and ilmbase.  Luckily,
they're static only, but I just wanted to give a head's up that I'll
need to change the BuildDeps on your packages for them to build against
the newer OpenEXR.  If that's not OK, let me know, otherwise I'll change
them some time this week...  :)

 main/finkinfo/gnome/nip2.info:Maintainer: Jack Fink 
 jackf...@users.sourceforge.net
 main/finkinfo/graphics/cinepaint.info:Maintainer: Andy Prock 
 en...@lister.acm.wwu.edu
 main/finkinfo/graphics/imagemagick-6.4.1.info:Maintainer: Dave Morrison 
 d...@finkproject.org
 main/finkinfo/graphics/imagemagick-nox-6.4.1.info:Maintainer: Dave Morrison 
 d...@finkproject.org
 main/finkinfo/graphics/imagemagick-nox.info:Maintainer: Todai Fink Team 
 f...@sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp
 main/finkinfo/graphics/imagemagick.info:Maintainer: Todai Fink Team 
 f...@sodan.ecc.u-tokyo.ac.jp
 main/finkinfo/graphics/imagemagick10-dev.info:Maintainer: Dave Morrison 
 d...@finkproject.org
 main/finkinfo/graphics/libdevil1.info:Maintainer: Daniel Johnson 
 dan...@daniel-johnson.org
 main/finkinfo/graphics/libgegl0.0.0-shlibs.info:Maintainer: Daniel Macks 
 dma...@netspace.org
 main/finkinfo/graphics/luminance.info:Maintainer: Jack Fink 
 jackf...@users.sourceforge.net
 main/finkinfo/graphics/nvidia-texture-tools.info:Maintainer: Abdulla Kamar 
 abdulla.kamar+f...@gmail.com
 main/finkinfo/graphics/qtpfsgui-mac.info:Maintainer: Jack Fink 
 jackf...@users.sourceforge.net
 main/finkinfo/graphics/qtpfsgui.info:Maintainer: Jack Fink 
 jackf...@users.sourceforge.net
 main/finkinfo/graphics/synfig.info:Maintainer: H. Todd Fujinaka 
 ht...@fls.portland.or.us
 main/finkinfo/graphics/synfigstudio.info:Maintainer: Hisashi T Fujinaka 
 ht...@twofifty.com
 main/finkinfo/graphics/vips.info:Maintainer: Jack Fink 
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Re: [Fink-devel] Question on libgettext8-dev, gettext-bin, gettext-tools

2010-05-06 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 5/6/10 3:03 PM, Max Horn wrote:
 I wonder if this is really necessary; libgettext?-dev seems to depend on 
 gettext-bin anyway.

Probably because many of us don't really know what is in each of the
different gettext packages, and when it first got split up, bdeps were
added to everything anyways.

I certainly don't really know what's needed for usual gettext support,
and what are more esoteric things only needed by translators or something.

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Re: [Fink-devel] unacceptable behavior

2010-05-03 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 5/3/10 8:02 AM, Jack Howarth wrote:
 ...you exempted yourself from that process.

Max's header on his info files exists because of people changing his
packages *in fink CVS* without his permission, and without notification,
which is what you did to a number of maintainers' packages, breaking
some in the process.

Max is very responsive to emails regarding his packages, suggestions for
changes, and in many cases, responds to I want to make *x* change
because I'm doing *y* and it needs a newer version, mind if I updated?
in the affirmative without issue.  He's fully in the process, he just
got fed up with people committing changes without notification.  His
adding that header was actually part of the decision that made our
policy on not committing someone else's stuff without notification more
explicit.

That conversation between packagers, suggestions on how to do things,
etc. is normal, and, except for when you misinterpreted people's
comments as attempts at taking over (rather than an attempt at helping
conform to best practices) is what has been happening with GCC.

GCC is huge and will cause a lot of people to do a lot of compiling;
it's reasonable to make sure it does a good job of fitting in with Fink
before it gets released on an unsuspecting end-user populace, when
re-engineering the packages is part of the update.

Once all this package design gets ironed out, it will be easy to do
quick releases when new versions come out, but until then, it's in the
users' best interest for us to be sure it will cause the least amount of
issue.

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Re: [Fink-devel] RuntimeVars

2010-03-29 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 3/29/10 5:04 AM, Hariharan B wrote:
 RuntimeVars: 
 JAVA_HOME=/usr
 CLASSPATH=%p/share/java
 

Do not set either of these environment variables in an info file.  /usr
is *still* not a valid JAVA_HOME, and classpath is automatically created
by using JarFiles: when packaging.

If you have tools that require a non-standard JAVA_HOME or CLASSPATH,
you should wrap them with a script included in your package, not set
environment variables for all Fink users who happen to have your package
installed.

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Re: [Fink-devel] RuntimeVars

2010-03-29 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 3/29/10 8:12 AM, Hariharan B wrote:
 But ExTeX startup script relies on these two environment variables. Can
 you please suggest an alternative?

Yes, patch the script to find the jars where you install them.

If all it requires is it's own java jars (not things from other
packages), you don't need to use JarFiles at all.  Just install them in
something like %p/lib/%N and then fix the script to look for it's jars
there.

Same with JAVA_HOME.  It is rare that you actually need to force a
JAVA_HOME for an app, usually it's just a shortcut for finding
$JAVA_HOME/bin/java and such.  Patch the script to set JAVA_HOME to
/Library/Java/Home (the default java home) and don't override it for
everyone.

What I mean by that is, RuntimeVars sets those variables for anyone who
does a fink init.sh; there are many packages that most definitely do NOT
want JAVA_HOME forced to the location you need just for one package...
RuntimeVars is for your package to communicate with other packages how
to find things, not for internal use of something just within the scope
of your own package.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Request for Package review

2010-03-27 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 3/27/10 9:31 AM, Koen van der Drift wrote:
 
 This error message will come if your Java version is 1.5. Please  
 find out your version using this command

 java -version
 
 $ java -version
 Unable to find a $JAVA_HOME at /usr, continuing with system-provided  

It looks like you have $JAVA_HOME set to /usr for some reason, which is
not a valid $JAVA_HOME value.  It has to be one of:

  /Library/Java/Home
  /System/Library/Frameworks/JavaVM.framework/Versions/X/Home

/usr does not contain all of the things that a $JAVA_HOME expect
($JAVA_HOME/src.jar, lib/deploy.jar, the right headers in include/).

Whatever it is that's setting that will cause issues, if nothing else.
Can't speak for the rest of the issue.  :)

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Re: [Fink-devel] qt4-mac-4.6.2-1 compile failed due to lack of space, recovering identifies Fink issues

2010-02-24 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 2/24/10 1:21 PM, Ronald D. Mabbitt wrote:

(CC'ing fink-devel, since this is about fink internals as well)

 Unfortunately, during a huge copying set, the machine ran out of room (I
 had allowed Fink nearly five gigabytes, apparently that was inadequate),
 and Fink announced that the install of qt-mac-4.6.2-1 failed.  Scrolling
 up, it appeared to be near the end of a particular install, but the huge
 number of copies scrolled previous info off the buffer.
 
 I tried starting the entire install again, and Fink merely installed the
 qt-mac-4.6.2-1 deb, and went on to installing qt-mac-doc-4.6.2-1.
 
 Here are my questions..
 
 Is it safe to assume that all the files got copied?   A bunch of them
 failed before, and I didn't see them copied immediately during the restart.

It's likely something didn't get made, but I couldn't say what.  The deb
files that are finished, assuming they validate, are probably OK, but I
bet there are some that didn't get made.  It's hard to say.

 Fink decided it needed to temporarily remove pcre to install all all the
 qt packages.   Will Fink automatically remember to reinstall it
 afterwards, or do I have to do this by hand?

I would assume fink would try to put them back, I'm not sure of the
behavior, but if the disk is still full, it probably can't.  You can
always reinstall it just to be sure.

 Note that I'm mainly asking to help identify issues with Fink that may
 need to be addressed (whether Fink recovers well if the package
 installation fails due to running out of space), since in the worst case
 I simply reinstall qt and pcre.
 
 However, since reinstalling would take such a long time, and since
 checking whether Fink 'has good' / 'needs better' error recovery was a
 good idea anyway, I thought I'd bring it to your attention and find out
 whether I've anything to worry about or not.  ^^;

Well, running out of disk space is kind of a catastrophic event, there's
only so much that can be done about that.  Things like gcc4x and qt4
(and most of kde, for that matter) are very large, and take a decent
amount of space while building.  There's no graceful way to handle
running out of space, because there isn't enough space to save any state
that you're out of space in the first place.  :)

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[Fink-devel] mplayer udpates (was: Re: mplayer-1.0.0rc2-1011)

2010-02-23 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 2/23/10 11:13 AM, Benjamin Reed wrote:
 On 2/22/10 5:16 PM, James Bunton wrote:
 
 If you just want to grab the info files to stick them in your local tree
 you'll need libdvdnav4, libdvdread.4, mplayer and x264 for it to build.
 I plan to submit these to the fink tracker soon, just got to test them
 on 10.6 64 bit and 10.4.
 
 Please let me know how you go.
 
 Looks good so far, except libdvdnav4 is definitely broken from a
 packaging point of view.  libdvdnav.4.dylib is already packaged, in
 libdvdnav/libdvdnav4-shlibs, so that package should be updated to
 require libdvdread.4 instead of making a whole new one, since that
 breaks upgrades.
 
 The x264 info file is named wrong, too, it should be libx264-dev.info.

Oop, now I see, you were trying to make a new package over x264 but
what you have doesn't upgrade cleanly over x264.  This is getting tricky
since the old package also has gtk libraries, it's going to take some
work to make something that updates cleanly, I'll get back to you.

(and actually, this is best moved to the -devel list)

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Re: [Fink-devel] [Fink-users] FYI: KDE4 Coming

2010-02-14 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 2/12/10 11:40 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote:
 I'm going to release KDE4 updates sometime tomorrow.

Heh, and of course, I found some last-minute build issues holding it up.
 Should have said I'm *hoping* to...  ;)

I'll post a note here when it's ready.

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[Fink-devel] FYI: KDE4 Coming

2010-02-12 Thread Benjamin Reed
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I'm going to release KDE4 updates sometime tomorrow.

I've test-built the crap out of them, but as these things always go, I'm
sure someone will find problems.  Please be patient, and let me know if
you run into any build issues.  =)

It includes fixes for running on 10.6 (yay).

If anyone's interested in getting a head start, you can check out my
experimental tree here:

http://www.finkproject.org/~ranger/kde4.4/README-EXPERIMENTAL.txt

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Re: [Fink-devel] Build failure: fop-0.20.5-12 on 10.5

2010-01-30 Thread Benjamin Reed
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 I saw that RangerRick just updated fop, but rev -12 doesn't build for
 me on 10.5:

Yeah, I'm giving up on trying to make the old old old version of FOP we
have behave with modern javac.  I should have a new one out shortly.  :)


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Re: [Fink-devel] Updated qt4-mac packages (4.6.0)

2010-01-07 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 1/7/10 10:38 AM, Sjors Gielen wrote:

 Attached are a new finkinfo file + patch for qt4-mac 4.6.0-3. If you
 could test them, and if they work correctly, commit them, that'd be cool.
 
 Note that qt 4.6 may not work great with kde 4.3 at this moment, but I
 don't know whether this is in libs or base or whatever...

Since we know that it would break 4.3 and definitely 4.2, I think it
would be a bad idea to commit them as of yet.

I am, however, slowly catching up on stuff enough that I can take
another look at getting KDE updated, so I'll definitely start with this
as a base to work on.

4.4 rc1 was tagged today, so things should be to a point where it can
all get committed when 4.4 goes final.

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Re: [Fink-devel] New libgettext8 package

2009-12-09 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 12/9/09 10:00 AM, Max Horn wrote:

 Unfortunately, this message does not really tell me in which way it is
 unfriendly. I haven't been able to find out anything else. Ben, do you
 remember what prompted you to make this change?

I don't recall, but it's usually a random crash that make -j1 resolves.

That said, I was unaware of the environment way of conflicting with
ccache, so feel free to change it.


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Re: [Fink-devel] New libgettext8 package

2009-12-09 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 12/9/09 10:23 AM, Max Horn wrote:

 Hm, I see how that would apply to distcc, but how does this explain a
 conflict with ccache?

Oh, ccache was probably a red herring, since enabling distcc involves
setting a var for ccache, I probably wrote both, but I'm sure it was
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Re: [Fink-devel] New libgettext8 package

2009-12-09 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 12/9/09 10:55 AM, Max Horn wrote:

 OK. So considering we have
 
 SetMAKEFLAGS: -j1
 
 in both libgettext info files, it should be relatively safe to remove  
 the BC and wait what happens, right?

Seems like it should be, yeah.


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Re: [Fink-devel] New libgettext8 package

2009-12-09 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 12/9/09 11:56 AM, Max Horn wrote:

 Oh, no need to -- if anything goes wrong, I'll blame it on Ben for not
 telling me not to proceed ;-)

And I'll point out that you made the change.  ;)

# fink install finger-pointing
Scanning package description files..
Information about 8826 packages read in 9 seconds.
No packages to install.

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Re: [Fink-devel] [Fink-beginners] kdegraphics3-base installation fails

2009-11-12 Thread Benjamin Reed
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 1:51 AM, Martin Costabel costa...@wanadoo.fr wrote:

 This is worth keeping for the record, as the first documented case where
 *.la files are necessary and where the advice to remove all *.la files
 breaks things.

 Now why that configure script is doing this, and if it could be asked to
 cease and desist, is another question. It takes its cue from
 admin/acinclude.m4.in, a general kde thing, it seems.

Yeah.  I'm so behind on KDE updating, but I'll add this to the list.
:)  I should probably be able to change it to look for .so instead.

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Re: [Fink-devel] If everyone would just shut up and listen to me ...

2009-09-11 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 9/11/09 2:13 PM, William G. Scott wrote:

 I think this is a Good Thing, assuming all fink packages work with the  
 SL X11.  We should just assume it is there, and not
 concern ourselves at all with what gets installed in /opt, or support  
 it.  What the end-user does is out of our control, but
 in principle there is no reason we would have to worry about this one  
 way or the other, as long as we can rely on the
 current contents of /etc/X11 being in place.

I agree.  While the growing pains in X11 have been, well, painful, in
the end, I think X11 in OSX has reached a stability where it's
reasonable to expect it will work like this From This Point On(TM).

We'll have to adjust once more to the new situation on the ground, but
hopefully this'll be the last of major upheavals.  (Famous last words.)

 2. Stable vs. Unstable
 
 I tell people to translate the word unstable as current when  they  
 express shyness about using it.  With the SL upgrade, we have, at  
 least initially, an inversion, where packages in Unstable may work  
 when packages in Stable do not, or are obsolete, etc.
 
 I wonder if it might be worth changing this demarcation to Core and  
 Peripheral or some such designation, the main point being to have  
 the talents and energy of the core fink team focused on the most  
 important packages, and to keep people with limited abilities, like  
 me, out.

I don't think there's a problem with everyone who's a committer having
access to stable, I think it's more that we need a couple of folks to
sit down, spend a month or two completely ignoring updates, and work on
finally putting together the infrastructure we've said we didn't have
time to work on and just make it happen.

Once we have automated builds of any kind, we can start promoting
packages from unstable - stable automatically or semi-automatically,
because we'll really know how info files and the state of binaries map,
and we can solicit and receive feedback on packages from end-users more
easily.

I intend to work on this as soon as I can, although right now is a bad
time for me because of huge amounts of work commitments.  I hope to make
the time anyways.  :)

 I had the good fortune to have a former Apple VP (who was responsible  
 for much of Xcode) as a graduate student in a class last spring.  I  
 asked him what it was like, and he described his erstwhile job as  
 helping highly creative autistic people to have productive careers.  I  
 know it is a bit of a stereotype, but computer people often aren't  
 qualified to be Japanese diplomats, and it is also very hard for even  
 the most socially adept individuals to infer intent from a pile of  
 ascii text characters.  We all need to give each other the benefit of  
 the doubt when interpreting each other's words and actions. We all  
 want the same thing, after all: a viable, fully-functional and up-to- 
 date fink.

Agreed.  I've said what I needed to at this point, it can be accepted or
not.  I've avoided commenting any more on the drama that continues to
unfold, as hard as it's been to resist.  ;)  I slipped a little by being
snarky in a commit, and I regret that.  Otherwise, I'm just staying out
of it from here on out.

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Re: [Fink-devel] scipy-core needs updated in stable

2009-09-10 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 9/10/09 9:05 AM, Jack Howarth wrote:

 I would add the resync'ing to stable is somewhat of a special case.
 We aren't really changing the maintainers packaging but rather attempting
 to move his latest packaging over from unstable. Unless we want the process
 to drag on indefinitely, notification should be sufficient. I've emailed
 the maintainer of scipy-core-py about his other packages as well. We have
 packages like fftw3 which don't build on x86_64 or 10.6 in stable but are
 updated and compatible in unstable.

The notification policy is not about your convenience, but about the
maintainer not being surprised by things changing out from under him.

I think it's reasonable to shorten our usual notify and do it if we
don't hear back in 1 week policy to a couple of days, but I think it's
pretty crappy to just do it and tell them after the fact.  Especially
since we've been doing quick hacks to make things work on SL, it could
be the maintainer is in the middle of working on the more elegant solution.

Give them at least a day or two to send an email saying yeah, it's OK
to update it.  Stable is *stable* with Dave's changes, even if it's a
bit light on packages compared to 10.5.  We can stand to move things
when it's actually OK'd by the maintainer.

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Re: [Fink-devel] bash 4.0 to stable?

2009-09-10 Thread Benjamin Reed
I'll look into it, haven't had a chance to look at bash yet.

On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 2:52 AM, Martin Costabel costa...@wanadoo.fr wrote:
 Robert Wyatt wrote:
 []

 gcc -L./builtins -L./lib/readline -L./lib/readline -L./lib/glob
 -L./lib/tilde  -L./lib/sh -L/sw/lib    -g -O2 -o bash shell.o eval.o y.tab.o
 general.o make_cmd.o print_cmd.o  dispose_cmd.o execute_cmd.o variables.o
 copy_cmd.o error.o expr.o flags.o jobs.o subst.o hashcmd.o hashlib.o
 mailcheck.o trap.o input.o unwind_prot.o pathexp.o sig.o test.o version.o
 alias.o array.o arrayfunc.o assoc.o braces.o bracecomp.o bashhist.o
 bashline.o  list.o stringlib.o locale.o findcmd.o redir.o pcomplete.o
 pcomplib.o syntax.o xmalloc.o  -lbuiltins -lsh -lreadline -lhistory -lcurses
 -lglob -ltilde  -lintl -liconv -lc  -ldl
 Undefined symbols:
   _rl_menu_completion_entry_function, referenced from:
       _rl_menu_completion_entry_function$non_lazy_ptr in bashline.o
   _rl_completion_invoking_key, referenced from:
       _rl_completion_invoking_key$non_lazy_ptr in pcomplete.o
   _rl_variable_value, referenced from:
       _command_word_completion_function in bashline.o
       _edit_and_execute_command in bashline.o
 ld: symbol(s) not found
 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
 make: *** [bash] Error 1
 ### execution of make failed, exit code 2

 Regarding which I found this thread:
 http://www.nabble.com/-MacPorts---18621:-Error-with-bash-4.0-build-td22189056.html

 Which confused me further because it indicates that this symbol is from
 readline 6. It begs the question of how it was building before.

 Before, on 10.5.8, it was building its own static libreadline.a and
 libhistory.a and linking to these. No idea why it doesn't on 10.6.

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Re: [Fink-devel] scipy-core needs updated in stable

2009-09-10 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 9/10/09 11:38 AM, Jack Howarth wrote:

 Benjamin,
What about the case where the maintainer himself has already
 checked in packaging for x86_64 and 10.6 into unstable. Consider...

 http://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/viewvc/fink/dists/10.4/unstable/main/finkinfo/sci/fftw3.info?view=log

 for example. It is difficult to see the advantage of waiting a
 week for something that has already been committed by the maintainer.

Like I said, it's not about advantage, it's about not being a jerk to
the maintainer and changing their stuff without them at least having a
chance to respond.

I know you have a hard time with that, since you apparently have no
concept of personal space on the internet, but humor us.  The rules
are not designed to get the maximum package-tude out in the fastest time
possible, they're there because we're a community of developers
volunteering our time, and people get really frustrated when other
people mess with their stuff.  It's just the nice thing to do.

A couple of days is not the end of the world.

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Re: [Fink-devel] scipy-core needs updated in stable

2009-09-10 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 9/10/09 12:02 PM, Jack Howarth wrote:

 Benjamin,
Your concept of personal space also assumes that we have adequate
 manpower to maintain fink in a usable state. I would remind you that if I
 hadn't pushed through some of the changes I made unilaterally for
 x86_64 support in fink we would be no where near having a usable
 x86_64 release at this time. If your sensibilities would be less
 offended, I would happy to revert all of those changes and resign
 all of my packages.

I'm not concerned about my sensibilities, I'm concerned about the
happiness of maintainers as a whole, and people editing other people's
packages without due warning has caused lots of friction, over and over
again.  You're right, we *do* have very little manpower, which is all
the more reason to not mess with other people's stuff without a little
warning.

I appreciate that you do a lot of work to test, it's great, and I
appreciate that you want to get things done, but I don't appreciate
doing it by stepping on other maintainers' toes.  Especially when it's
so easy to fire off an email *first* and keep your changes local for a
few days until you get an OK to commit.

So far, in my experience updating other people's stuff for Snow Leopard,
everyone I've asked for feedback has responded in an hour or two.

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Re: [Fink-devel] my transgressions

2009-09-10 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 9/10/09 7:14 PM, Jack Howarth wrote:
Just to clear the air here, for those
 here are that unaware my transgressions
 being bandied about, here they are...

I won't deign to speak for others, but I believe Max was sincere in his
well wishes, and while you may not believe it, we do hope you do well
wherever you move on.

You did a lot of great work (or you wouldn't have gotten a commit bit in
the first place); our issue was that you never really learned how to
work with the group that laid down the work you built upon.

You give a list of things you changed:

 1) sdl-x86_64.info
 2) tcltk
 3) python2x

...all of which were useful things, not to mention the incredible amount
of work you put into gcc, which was Herculean to say the least.

You did not mention that you spent a lot of your x86_64 time changing
other people's packages with minimal or no input from the maintainer
before messing with them.  This has been an issue from the beginning,
and something I (and others) had hoped you'd grow out of as you got used
to having your commit bit, but you never did.

In an open-source project, your ability to interact with the other
people in the project is at least as important as the time you donate.
No one is arguing that you did useful stuff, only that you failed time
and time again to give even the most basic courtesy to the people whose
packages you were working with.

I've decided not to send this email 3 different times, since I really
don't want to add any more to the vitriol, but I'm sending it anyways
because I feel that these things need to be said.  Our processes exist
because they address real issues that caused problems for users.  If
they need changing, well, there were a million different ways to try to
work with us to do so rather than just barge ahead.

I really do hope you succeed in your MacPorts endeavors, and in the end,
I suspect they will fit your style of work more; they are closer to the
Ports/Gentoo style of release model compared to our Debian style.

Anyways, truly, good luck.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Inconsistency in Package Database

2009-07-28 Thread Benjamin Reed
On 7/28/09 10:53 AM, Christian Schaffner wrote:

 Could this be fixed?

Yup, it's known, and I haven't had time to figure out why it's happening
yet.  The old PDB was busted in different ways, so I moved it to using a
nice optimized caching search-engine based on Lucene.  I think it has
something to do with the incremental updates.

It might be better to start fresh...

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Re: [Fink-devel] Adding Header in Patch file

2009-07-07 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 7/7/09 9:19 AM, Sandeep Bhaskar wrote:

 Please tell me how to add header in patch file. Actually I tried
 creating patch using diff -Nur install.sh install_1.sh  gnowsys.patch.

Charles already answered your question.

Please, on a public discussion like this, posting and re-posting your
question over and over just makes it more likely that no one will want
to respond.

Ask your question, and be patient for an answer.  If you don't hear
anything in a few days, feel free to re-ask, but not once every half an
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Re: [Fink-devel] making qt4 variants

2009-06-20 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 6/20/09 10:18 AM, Koen van der Drift wrote:
 
 Thanks both for your answers.
 
 I build both versions, and they just look the same.  I guess I was  
 confused by thinking that qt4-mac would make it look like a aqua app.  
 It's still an X11 based app, and will appear in an X11 window. So for  
 now I will just leave the current kemboss.info package.  It was a nice  
 exercise, though :)

No, building against qt4-mac should give you aqua-native apps (well,
technically it's using Carbon).  It should not start X11.  If it does,
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[Fink-devel] KDE 4.2.4 in Unstable

2009-06-10 Thread Benjamin Reed
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So I've released the new KDE packages.  If you upgrade any of the base
packages, your KDE will be broken until you upgrade the rest, so be
prepared for a little building.  :)

My full blog post on the changes is here:

  http://bit.ly/aTQW1

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[Fink-devel] I'm breaking KDE4 to make it stronger!

2009-06-09 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Just a warning, if you've been using any KDE4 packages, there is an
issue with the way the packages were made, regarding the X11 versions,
case-sensitivity, and conflicts with other packages.

Generally, we are incredibly anal about clean upgrade paths in Fink, but
since KDE4 is relatively new in Fink, and relatively experimental, I'm
going to do a one-time breakage to put things in a better place.

I'm still doing final testing, but I wanted to give a head's up to folks
who are using KDE4 packages.  Instead of /sw/lib/{x11,mac}, they will
live in /sw/opt/kde4/{x11,mac}.

On the bright side, in the process, I've fixed a ton of stuff:

* kdebase-workspace is supported - I have a fully working KDE4 desktop
  in X11: http://is.gd/WkYd
* all kinds of setup/postinst/etc. stuff is fixed up - that means that
  kbuildsycoca is working reliably, all the background apps do what
  they're supposed to, and so on
* KOffice applications actually integrate with finder, and I will work
  on doing this in other apps when I get the time: http://is.gd/Wl1r
* mac versions of kded, knotify, and kdeinit don't show up in the dock

There are still plenty of bugs, but KDE4 is starting to look pretty
good.  I'll post an announcement when things are available, I'd
appreciate some testers.  :)

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Re: [Fink-devel] liboil

2009-05-19 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 5/18/09 8:45 PM, Jack Howarth wrote:
   Argh. Didn't we fix this before? The liboil package is still
 setting CXX and CC to the explicit compiler paths which
 breaks the x86_64 fink builds on 10.5.

The last commit is from you (although I don't have an email from you
notifying that you modified it *cough*)

I'm gonna bootstrap an x86_64 to test some things anyways, I'll take a
look at it.


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Re: [Fink-devel] liboil

2009-05-19 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 5/19/09 9:01 AM, Jack Howarth wrote:
 Benjamin,
Try reading through the fink-seed archives instead
 (cough, cough, cough). We discussed this issue before
 and you agreed you were wrong on the issue.

ah, ok...  I rescind my cough; I forgot I put my -seed emails in a
different folder when I searched.  =)


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Re: [Fink-devel] Is it possible to parse %f?

2009-05-16 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 5/16/09 12:07 PM, Monic Polynomial wrote:

 I'm developing a Fink notification plugin and I need to parse the list  
 of package names that the plugin receives from Fink.  
 Fink::PkgVersion::phase_activate() sends a notification whose  
 description contains the packages formatted as  
 Fink::PkgVersion::get_fullname(), the same as %f.

Generally you'll use Fink::Package's get_matching_versions:


   get_matching_versions
 my @pvs = $po?get_matching_versions($spec);
 my @pvs = $po?get_matching_versions($spec, @choose_from);

   Find all versions of this package which satisfy the given
   Debian version specification. See
   Fink::Services::version_cmp for details on version
   specifications.

   If a list @choose_from of Fink::PkgVersions objects is given,
   return only items in the list which satisfy the given
   specification.


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Re: [Fink-devel] Is it possible to parse %f?

2009-05-16 Thread Benjamin Reed
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On 5/16/09 1:31 PM, Daniel Macks wrote:

 I think that would handle dependency formats (foo (= 1.0-2)) not
 %f. Maybe Engine::expand_packages? I think that's what processes the
 packages specified on fink commandline.

I thought without a = or whatever, it just gives you the latest
version.  That's what it uses when going through the dep loop.

That said, yeah, you don't want to expand percents yourself, just ask
the API for the latest package with the name you're parsing.


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Re: [Fink-devel] fink vs modified info files

2009-04-27 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Jack Howarth wrote:
   One minor nit that I have with 'fink selfupdate' is that is
 doesn't give sensible output if you have edited info files in
 your fink directories. It would be nice if fink could recognize
 the diff format that is produced in such cases and give the user
 a sensible warning instead of just

Generally, users should not be editing the info files in-place, and
instead should copy the file to their local tree.  (Packagers should
already know such things, and when we tell users about working around a
temporary issue, we usually remember to recommend they copy it to local
and edit it there.)

 Scanning package description filesWARNING: Unresolved CVS conflicts in 
 /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/sci/ccp4.info.
 WARNING: Repeated occurrence of field depends at line 61 of 
 /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/sci/ccp4.info.
 WARNING: Repeated occurrence of field builddepends at line 62 of 
 /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/sci/ccp4.info.
 WARNING: Repeated occurrence of field buildconflicts at line 63 of 
 /sw/fink/dists/unstable/main/finkinfo/sci/ccp4.info.
 
 It should clearly state these are unresolved merges in the info
 file and request the user to solve them or delete the file and
 pull it down again.

That said, it's probably better to make this an ERROR instead of a
WARNING and dump right out, so people don't think this is something they
can ignore, or lose in the middle of the output somewhere.

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[Fink-devel] FYI; s/libungif/giflib/

2009-04-16 Thread Benjamin Reed
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I replaced any giflib | libungif stuff in stable and unstable with just
giflib now; the latest giflib should fully replace libungif, and still
be compatible (with symlinks for old .la files that refer to -lungif).

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[Fink-devel] Does your package do mysql15 | mysql15-ssl ? If so, it's probably broken. :)

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They are not binary compatible with each other, you can't build against
one and have it work on the other:

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2029

If you were to build foo against mysql-ssl15-shlibs, it will not run if
you switch it out with mysql15-shlibs.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Gst Plugin Bad - Tiger Mac OS X 10.4.11 issue

2009-03-06 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Pierre-Henri Lavigne wrote:
 Hello,
 
 Did anyone succeed to solve the following error ?
 http://paste.lisp.org/display/67292

I must have missed if it came up before.  I'll take a look...


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Re: [Fink-devel] help with debugging - dbus + pidgin

2009-02-23 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Benjamin Reed wrote:
 Pidgin is exploding with DBus in a weird way, and I'm starting to think
 it's actually got a memory corruption issue or something.  The dbus
 stuff it's doing is very simple, and working in other apps.  I have very
 poor gdb-fu, does anyone have any ideas how to solve it?

Turns out it was an issue in the way the launchd patch was doing some
error-handling, 1.2.12-8 should fix pidgin startup now.

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[Fink-devel] help with debugging - dbus + pidgin

2009-02-22 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Pidgin is exploding with DBus in a weird way, and I'm starting to think
it's actually got a memory corruption issue or something.  The dbus
stuff it's doing is very simple, and working in other apps.  I have very
poor gdb-fu, does anyone have any ideas how to solve it?

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Re: [Fink-devel] Does anyone have an experimental version of fink that compiles universal binaries?

2008-12-06 Thread Benjamin Reed
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David R. Morrison wrote:
 Bill,
 
 There are problems with doing so, since libtool and autoconf based  
 packages can't easily compile things universal by default.  I know  
 that RangerRick has played with this some in the past, and he  
 developed some automatic procedures which worked for probably 80% of  
 all packages, but the rest would need to be modified by hand...

The work I did was all manual, and after working with all of those
packages, getting them to build as universal, I determined it totally
wasn't worth even trying to get fink to do it.  ;)

So no, there's no unfinished experimental universal infrastructure for
Fink that I'm aware of...

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Re: [Fink-devel] Can't figure out proper shlibs for JOGL

2008-10-22 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Trevor Harmon wrote:

 Error: Files with names less specifically versioned than ones in public
 Shlibs entries do not belong in this package
 Offending file: /sw/lib/libjogl.jnilib

For jnilibs, the best way to handle them is to build them as bundles,
since they're dynamically loaded into the JVM.

It looks like changing the build.xml to use plugin instead of shared
for the cc task will Do The Right Thing.

Of course, once you do that, you don't need an shlibs anymore since it's
an unversioned plugin, and you can go back to basically 1.1.1-1's info
file.  ;)

Attached is an updated info file and patch.

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Package: jogl
Version: 1.1.1
Revision: 2
Type: java
Source: mirror:sourceforge:fink/%n-%v-src.zip
Source-MD5: a5d6b630a17b41227ab41506c826277b
SourceDirectory: %n
# ant-optional is required for the Antlr task
BuildDepends: ant-optional, antlr (= 2.7.5)
Depends: system-java
PatchScript: sed -e 's|@PREFIX@|%p|g' -e 's|@PACKAGE@|%n|g'  %a/%n.patch | 
patch -p1
CompileScript: 
  #!/bin/sh -ex
  unset CLASSPATH
  cd make
  ant macosx
  ant javadoc
  
  # The following line, which generates additional JavaDoc files, has been 
disabled
  # because it takes way too friggin' long.
  # ant javadoc.dev.macosx

InstallScript: 
  #!/bin/sh -ex

  # Copy the JNI library
  mkdir -p %i/lib
  cp build/obj/libjogl.jnilib %i/lib

  # Copy the documentation
  mkdir -p %i/share/doc/%n
  cp -R doc/* %i/share/doc/%n

PostInstScript: ln -s %p/lib/lib%n.jnilib /Library/Java/Extensions
PostRmScript: rm -f /Library/Java/Extensions/lib%n.jnilib
JarFiles: build/jogl.jar
Homepage: http://jogl.dev.java.net/
Maintainer: Trevor Harmon [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Description: OpenGL bindings for Java
DescDetail: 
The JOGL Project hosts a reference implementation of the Java bindings for
OpenGL API, and is designed to provide hardware-supported 3D graphics to
applications written in Java. It is part of a suite of open-source technologies
initiated by the Game Technology Group at Sun Microsystems. JOGL provides full
access to the APIs in the OpenGL 2.0 specification as well as nearly all vendor
extensions, and integrates with the AWT and Swing widget sets.

License: BSD
diff -Nurd jogl/make/build.xml jogl-patched/make/build.xml
--- jogl/make/build.xml 2005-05-13 16:35:36.0 -0400
+++ jogl-patched/make/build.xml 2008-10-22 10:44:14.0 -0400
@@ -73,7 +73,7 @@
 !-- Load the user specified properties file that defines various host
- specific paths.  The user will be notified if this is does not
- exist. --
-property name=user.properties.file 
value=${user.home}/jogl.properties /
+property name=user.properties.file value=jogl.properties /
 property file=${user.properties.file} /
 
 echo message=Loaded ${user.properties.file}. /
@@ -83,7 +83,7 @@
 !-- Load the user specified properties file that defines various host
- specific paths.  The user will be notified if this is does not
- exist. --
-property name=user.properties.file 
value=${user.home}/jogl.properties /
+property name=user.properties.file value=jogl.properties /
 property file=${user.properties.file} /
 
 echo message=Loaded ${user.properties.file}. /
@@ -802,7 +802,7 @@
 
   condition property=c.compiler.use-debugistrue 
value=${c.compiler.debug}//condition
 
-  cc outtype=shared 
+  cc outtype=plugin 
   objdir=${obj.jogl} 
   outfile=${obj}/${output.lib.name}
   optimize=${c.compiler.optimise} 
@@ -843,14 +843,14 @@
 
 target name=c.rename.jogl.lib.macosx if=os.isMacOSX
   !-- FIXME: this is a hack; the cpptask should have an option to change 
the
-   suffix or at least understand the override from dylib to jnilib --
-  move file=${obj}/libjogl.dylib tofile=${obj}/libjogl.jnilib /
+   suffix or at least understand the override from bundle to jnilib --
+  move file=${obj}/libjogl.bundle tofile=${obj}/libjogl.jnilib /
 /target
 
 target name=c.rename.jogl_cg.lib.macosx if=os.isMacOSX
   !-- FIXME: this is a hack; the cpptask should have an option to change 
the
-   suffix or at least understand the override from dylib to jnilib --
-  move file=${obj}/libjogl_cg.dylib tofile=${obj}/libjogl_cg.jnilib /
+   suffix or at least understand the override from bundle to jnilib --
+  move file=${obj}/libjogl_cg.bundle tofile=${obj}/libjogl_cg.jnilib 
/
 /target
 
 target name=c.build.jogl
diff -Nurd jogl/make

Re: [Fink-devel] upgrading gettext to 0.17

2008-08-24 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Jesse Alama wrote:

| What's the prognosis?  What would go wrong if we just updated to 0.17?
| (I acknowledge that there's an issue with gettext, but I confess to not
| really appreciating the nature and scope of the problem.)

I had at one point looked into updating our gettext stuff, I seem to
recall running into some issues in transitioning, but I don't recall
what they were.

There are some packages in my experimental if you want a starting-place:

http://svn.finkproject.org/svn/users/ranger/trunk/experimental/disabled/main/finkinfo/base/

(anything with gettext in it is relevant.)


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Re: [Fink-devel] fink, gcc-4.2 and ppl 0.9

2008-08-11 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Jack Howarth wrote:
|We will have to give some serious consideration to
| using Apple gcc-4.2 compiler from Xcode = 3.1 shortly.
| The ppl cvs which will become the next ppl release requires
| gcc  4.0.3 to build. This means that ppl  0.9 will no
| longer build against Apple's stock gcc 4.0.1 compiler.
| It does build fine against the Apple gcc-4.2 compiler in
| Xcode 3.1. If the FSF gcc developers decide to upgrade the
| ppl requirement to the upcoming release for building the
| graphite support in gcc 4.4.0, we will have to build the
| fink ppl package with Apple's gcc-4.2.
|This of course means that the gcc44 package will only
| be available on 10.5 and not 10.4. This also leads to the
| question of whether we might want to create a 10.5-gcc4.2
| branch and start building everything in fink with gcc-4.2.

I don't see why specific package's need for a newer GCC would mean we
have to force all of fink to it.  Isn't that the point of having fink
versions of gcc so that we don't have to rely on a specific Apple GCC
for problem packages?

Additionally, are you sure it will really need 4.0.3, since Apple's
4.0.1 is really 4.0.1 + a buttload of patches from later versions of gcc?

Having the option of using gcc 4.2 as gcc in Fink by default would be
good, of course, but I don't think jumping to forcing everything is a
good solution just to solve a few specific package issues.

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Re: [Fink-devel] fink, gcc-4.2 and ppl 0.9

2008-08-11 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Jack Howarth wrote:

|I also recall having one of my bug reports against code
| generation of the Apple gcc 4.0.1 compiler closed with a
| comment that the compiler was depreciated or such. I agree
| that we can just build ppl  0.9 with gcc-4.2 but my point
| was that this will cause gcc44 to be available only on 10.5.
| The only alternative would be to leave gcc44 building with
| ppl 0.9, however, the FSF maintainers have been quite firm
| that gcc 4.4.0 should build against a known version of ppl
| to insure consistent code generation. The polyhedral results
| are certain to be consistent across all arches for a given
| release of ppl but this isn't certain to be true between
| releases. Also, using ppl 0.9 (if gcc moves on to ppl  0.9)
| would open the gcc44 package up to all sorts of unexpected
| issues (since that combination who likely become untested).
| We could submit a radar bug report to Apple and hope they
| fix it for Xcode 3.1.1 but I won't hold my breath. Also we
| would have to configure in ppl  0.9 to override the new
| gcc = 4.0.3 requirement.

As I'm not a compiler guru, I must be missing something.  Is PPL
something that is part of the GCC build?  Googling PPL gives me a
million false positives.

Otherwise, why can't building ppl depend on fink's gcc42 or gcc43?

If it is, can gcc44's build depend on fink's gcc42?  It's kind of an
ugly bootstrap, but we could at least attempt to make sure binaries of
gcc42|gcc43 are available in the bindist to make it easier.

It seems kind of crazy to *force* all of fink to update to gcc4.2 (which
I'm sure will cause all kinds of compile issues on older packages) just
to get gcc44, rather than only saying, gcc44 builddepends xcode = 3.1.1
for the subset of people who are needing to do development with that
specific gcc version.

I just don't see how gcc44 needing a newer xcode has any bearing on fink
as a whole.

If you're asking can we have an enhancement for fink to use gcc 4.2 if
it's available I think that's a great idea.  I just think that it is a
completely separate issue from getting gcc44's builddepends available.
It's perfectly reasonable for gcc44 to be 10.5-only.  If you want to
support gcc44 on 10.4, fink is already set up to handle such issues.
You have 2 versions of the gcc44 info file, one for 10.4 (with
Distribution: 10.4) that uses fink's gcc42 or gcc43 to bootstrap, and
one for 10.5 (with Distribution: 10.5) that uses xcode 3.1.1's.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Xcode version dependency

2008-07-28 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Jack Howarth wrote:
|I am still getting the odd message from users
| who have trouble building gcc43 due to their having
| the wrong version of Xcode installed. Is there any
| plans to provide a virtual package in fink that would
| allow me to require a specific version of Xcode or
| newer for building/installing the gcc4X packages?
| Currently the cctools virtual package is too coarse
| and doesn't distinguish between all of the releases
| of Xcode. I would both save both me and the end-users
| time if we could eliminate this problem once and for
| all.

You mean like the xcode virtual package?

~ i   xcode 3.1-1
~  [virtual package representing the developer tools]



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Re: [Fink-devel] imagemagick-nox depends on FLTK and Qt3

2008-07-21 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Michal Suchanek wrote:

| Perhaps there could be -nox variant of this package as well. Certainly
| an option to build the package without exrdisplay would be helpful
| much like ImageMagick without display.
|
| I guess djvulibre would be pretty much the same.

Do they depend on the openexr command-line tools specifically?  Or the C
interface?

OpenEXR is built static-only, so you don't need a runtime dependency of
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Re: [Fink-devel] llvm-gcc42 now works with -O4

2008-06-17 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Martin Costabel wrote:

| Plus, isn't this part of the still-NDA iPhone dev kit?
| Or is it publicly accessible now?

No, there's a separate xcode 3.1 beta 2 download, but I'm not sure if
it's available to everyone or just to paying ADC members.


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Re: [Fink-devel] llvm-gcc42 now works with -O4

2008-06-16 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Jack Howarth wrote:
|After a consulting with Chris Lattner at Apple, I found
| out that we can use the Link-Time-Optimization in llvm 2.3
| by building it to use LD set to /Developer/usr/bin/ld (assuming
| that Xcode 3.1 Developer Preview 2 is installed). I was able
| to build both the sample code shown in Xcode 3.1...
|
|
file:///Developer/Documentation/DocSets/com.apple.ADC_Reference_Library.DeveloperTools.docset/Contents/Resources/Documents/releasenotes/DeveloperTools/RN-llvm-gcc/index.html
|
| I was also able to build MDBNCH with llvm-gfortran at -O4 as well and the
| resulting binary runs fine. I've uploaded fink packaging with
| this change to...
|
|
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=1859491group_id=17203atid=414256

Are you saying the fink gcc42 will required xcode 3.1 beta?  Is there
any alternative to making it do so?  I've seen a number of things that
xcode 3.1 breaks (not necessarily in fink) and I'm not sure general Fink
stuff is all that well-tested with the new beta yet.


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Re: [Fink-devel] (La)TeX and Fink (Was: New packages in tracker)

2008-05-18 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Max Horn wrote:

| This way, we would be able to go forwards with TeX support, leaving
| all roads: I.e. we'd be able to continue our tetex package, OR add a
| TeXLive package one day, OR add yet another TeX distro one day. People
| who want MacTeX could use it for lots of stuff which only needs to run
| latex (like doxygen or latexmk, and others). Packagers could declare
| the pkg dependencies with more detail.
|
|
| What do you think?

I think it's a fine idea; the reason something like this hasn't happened
is the people able to make changes to fink don't know anything about
TeX, and vice-versa, so we were never able to find anyone who could
really step up and *understand* it end-to-end.

As long as someone's willing to own it (as opposed to just maintaining
it) we might as well clean up the tex mess...

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Re: [Fink-devel] (La)TeX and Fink (Was: New packages in tracker)

2008-05-18 Thread Benjamin Reed
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John Ridgway wrote:
| When I tried to do something like this I was shot down; told that the
| fink core team was reconsidering the whole issue of system-
| packages, and that, specifically, system-texlive was NOT going to
| happen.  I then started an effort to package TeX Live in such a way
| as to make it fink-friendly.  This failed miserably because TeX Live
| is (apparently) not built in a straightforward way, and the TeX Live
| people don't make it easy to get the tools with which they build it.
| If any of the above has changed I would love to see it.  It is totally
| ridiculous that the only TeX in Fink is tetex, which is ancient and
| dead.

~From what I understand, the previous attempts were to try to make it
work like existing system-tex, which is the issue.  The issue is that
they're all different and have slightly different stuff.

My impression of what Max is trying to do is to get away from the
monolithic this represents tex stuff that causes all of these
incompatibilities/differences in the first place and break it down to
providing point tools for individual features of tex that you need.
This seems like a reasonably future-proof approach.

Keep in mind, too, that this is just my opinion, and perhaps there are
other reasons not to do it that I'm not aware of, but from what I
understood, the reason there's been so much pushback is that adding a
system-texlive package doesn't solve our tex problems, it just adds
another.

Whereas, breaking tex up into individual features seems more likely to
cause less trouble in the future, BUT, it requires someone willing to
know all sides of the tex equation enough to keep those things in check...

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Re: [Fink-devel] Let's update gimp2 on pangocairo-branch!

2008-04-30 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Daniel Macks wrote:

|  - Add --disable-python.

| Looks functionally nearly the same as the one I have locally for it.
| Two issues:

Also, why disable python?


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Re: [Fink-devel] Updating packages in pangocairo branch?

2008-04-28 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Koen van der Drift wrote:

| Thanks. Unfortunately I don't have the time to maintain and test my
| packages in two trees. Do you guys recommend to keep using the
| pangocairo tree, or the original one? In the latter case, how do I go
| back?

If you don't mind your changes not getting to The Real World while we
work out bugs in pangocairo, do it in pangocairo, otherwise do it in the
main tree and we'll merge back.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Updating packages in pangocairo branch?

2008-04-27 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Kevin Horton wrote:
| Now that the pangocairo branch is starting to emerge, what should non-
| core maintainers do when they update a package in the main branch?  I
| assume that we should also update it in the pangocairo branch
| (assuming it builds and works OK there).  Or, should we just update
| it in the main branch, and leave the pangocairo branch to the experts
| to manage for now?

You are welcome to update it in both, but if you don't, we'll
periodically merge cahnges from trunk into pangocairo to make sure it's
ready for when it's time to merge back.


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Re: [Fink-devel] Updating packages in pangocairo branch?

2008-04-27 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Koen van der Drift wrote:
|
| On Apr 27, 2008, at 8:54 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote:
|
| You are welcome to update it in both, but if you don't, we'll
| periodically merge cahnges from trunk into pangocairo to make sure it's
| ready for when it's time to merge back.
|
| How do I update a package in both trees, is this documented somewhere?

The safe way would be to have both checked out, and test your updates in
each.

I, personally, have a separate fink tree in /pc which I set up by doing
./bootstrap /pc from the fink CVS tree (which is set up like the wiki
suggests as far as enabling pangocairo).


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Re: [Fink-devel] pangocairo: gconf2 vs. libxml2

2008-04-26 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Max Horn wrote:

| Update: I just got a suspicion, and run touch on the .info file.
| Now fink recognized that it was new. Ouch. I thought fink index
| would force the index to be rebuilt, but obviously that is not the
| case. I will now manually touch all my .info files, to make sure it
| gets them right.

I think for speed reasons, by default fink index trusts it's cache; you
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Re: [Fink-devel] Fink packaging update: pangocairo ready for testing

2008-04-25 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Max Horn wrote:

|fink scanpackages
|sudo apt-get update
|sudo apt-get install pango1-xft2-ft219-dev=1.18.4-2 pango1-xft2-
| ft219=1.18.4-2
| pango1-xft2-ft219-shlibs=1.18.4-2
|
| Failed: Fink::SysState: Could not resolve inconsistent dependencies

Alright, this should fix it up:

~  http://ranger.befunk.com/temp/pango1-xft2.info
~  http://ranger.befunk.com/temp/pango1-xft2-ft219.info

Lemme know if those work, and I'll go ahead and commit them to pangocairo.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Fink packaging update: pangocairo ready for testing

2008-04-25 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Daniel Macks wrote:

| do you really mean to declare that pango1-xft2 and pango1-xft2-ft219
| are binary-compatible now? We should have just done this for pc months
| ago instead of all the pathname nonsense to find the hidden files
| for pango1-xft2-ft219.

I was under the impression that they were, iff pango1-xft2-dev is no
longer in use.  ;)

Perhaps we should switch it to go the other way, before it's too late?
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Re: [Fink-devel] Fink packaging update: pangocairo ready for testing

2008-04-24 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Alexey Zakhlestin wrote:
| problem #1:
|
| fink can't download gtk\+2.0_2.12.8-1.diff.gz file. all mirrors
| return error-404

We'll just need to update it to a newer version of debian's patch.
Gimme a few minutes and I'll fix.  =)


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Re: [Fink-devel] [Fwd: [Fink-auto-logs] Distfiles/Mastermirror Update Wed Apr 9 12:27:01 CEST 2008]

2008-04-09 Thread Benjamin Reed
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William Scott wrote:
| The new tarball (not the software) is unversioned.

It amazes me that people who release software still do that.  :P

| I just tried it (again) now with wget, and it worked immediately.
|
| Then with curl -O and it hung for awhile  (more than 30 sec) as I stared
| at this email in pre-coffee stupor,
| and then it spontaneously started working.
|
| i.e,
|
| zsh-% wget ftp://selab.janelia.org/pub/software/infernal/infernal.tar.gz
| --07:20:57--
ftp://selab.janelia.org/pub/software/infernal/infernal.tar.gz
|= `infernal.tar.gz'

I can hand-download it this once and inject it into the distfiles
mirror, just figured if our server is having issues getting it, some
other folks might as well; if there's another mirror you might want to
add it to the package for the future.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Fink not understanding private Shlib declaration

2008-04-07 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Trevor Harmon wrote:

| That fixed it. I had to change the Shlibs line from this:
|
| !%p/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib
|
| to this:
|
| !liblpsolve55j.jnilib

out of curiosity, what does otool -hv /sw/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib
print?  It should say it's of filetype BUNDLE instead of filetype DYLIB,
in which case I don't think it could have a pathless otool line.

If that is the case, you'll need to patch the package to make a bundle
(by adding -module to the LDFLAGS if it uses libtool).

I'll see if I can find the time tomorrow to fix the validator of the
other issue Daniel mentioned, as well as checking that jnilib files are
BUNDLEs.


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Re: [Fink-devel] Fink not understanding private Shlib declaration

2008-04-07 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Trevor Harmon wrote:
| On Apr 7, 2008, at 5:29 PM, Benjamin Reed wrote:
| out of curiosity, what does otool -hv /sw/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib
| print?
|
| $ otool -L /sw/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib

not otool -L, otool -hv.  =)

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Re: [Fink-devel] Fink not understanding private Shlib declaration

2008-04-07 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Trevor Harmon wrote:

| $ otool -hv /sw/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib
| /sw/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib:
| Mach header
|magic cputype cpusubtype  capsfiletype ncmds
| sizeofcmds  flags
| MH_MAGICI386ALL  0x00   DYLIB12   1080
| NOUNDEFS DYLDLINK TWOLEVEL WEAK_DEFINES BINDS_TO_WEAK
| NO_REEXPORTED_DYLIBS
|
| So... Why does Shlibs work without the path but not with it?

Because the build of this tool is slightly broken in that it's not
giving a full install_name when linking.  (From your previous post:)

$ otool -L /sw/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib
/sw/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib:
liblpsolve55j.jnilib (compatibility version 5.5.0, current version 5.5.0)


That should be this:

$ otool -L /sw/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib
/sw/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib:
/sw/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib (compatibility version 5.5.0, current
version 5.5.0)

You can either build it with:

gcc -o liblpsolve55j.jnilib -dynamiclib -compatibility_version 5.5 \
~  -install_name /sw/lib/liblpsolve55j.jnilib files

or:

gcc -o liblpsolve55j.jnilib -bundle files

And from what Peter said, make sure that it doesn't have -flat_namespace
in the link line.

If it uses gnu libtool and automake, usually you're fine with something
like this in the Makefile.in:

liblpsolve55j_la_LDFLAGS: -module -avoid-version

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Re: [Fink-devel] Adding KDissert

2008-03-14 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Linus Gasser wrote:

| Validating .deb dir /sw/src/fink.build/root-kdissert-1.0.7-1...
| Warning: /sw/lib/kde3/libkdissapplet.so is a DYLIB but it does not end
| in .dylib or .jnilib.

Looks like kdissert's build has some bugs.  Those should all have
-module in their libfoo_la_LDFLAGS in the makefiles.

You will need to patch Makefile.in or Makefile.am for each of those .so
files.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Adding KDissert

2008-03-14 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Linus Gasser wrote:
| Dear List,
|
| I'm in the process of adding kdissert to the excellent list of
| fink-packages. First I made some patch in order for kdissert to compile
| correctly on MacOSX, then I tried myself on creating a kdissert.info
| file to be able to compile it. It nearly succeeds, only the verification
| at the end fails. I tried to add the corresponding line to
| kdissert.info, but to no avail. What are the correct lines to add to
| kdissert.info?

Oop, I missed the attachment in the original mail.

I can't tell from the info file whether that build system is using
libtool, or using gcc/ld directly.  If the former, add another
'LINKFLAGS' with '-module', if the latter, remove any -dynamiclib if
it's there, and add -bundle instead.

Also, if they're just modules (ie, plugin .so files) then you don't need
a separate -shlibs at all.

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Re: [Fink-devel] cvs password?

2008-03-14 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Kevin Horton wrote:
| I'm trying to update my packages to use gcc43 instead of gcc42, and I
| get a Permission denied, please try again when I try to do a cvs
| up.  Is there some general problem with fink's cvs, and I should
| simply wait for it to be sorted out, or does user ID rv8 no longer
| have cvs access?

I don't know about anyone else, but I just had my sourceforge password
expire; I had to log in to the SF web UI and it asked me to change it.

SVN was giving cryptic messages along the same lines about not being
able to log in.


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Re: [Fink-devel] Circular dependencies in libcdio7-shlibs-0.79-1 (pangocairo-branch)

2008-03-13 Thread Benjamin Reed
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TheSin wrote:
| I don't maintain the pangocairo-branch, I know unstable works though
| as I have it installed.

Probably because you already had an earlier version installed.  =)

~From unstable:

Package: libcdio7-shlibs
Depends: libcdio-common (= %v-%r)
...
SplitOff: 
~  Package: libcdio-common
~  Replaces: libcdio5-shlibs, libcdio7-shlibs ( 0.77-12)
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Re: [Fink-devel] New packages in tracker

2008-03-05 Thread Benjamin Reed
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John Ridgway wrote:

| Two of these were submitted on 2/16 and nothing has happened with
| respect to them.  One was submitted on 2/16 and a comment made upon it
| on 2/24, which I responded to the same day; and the other was
| submitted on 11/28; with no response until 2/9.  I understand that
| everybody involved with the project are probably busy; but it makes
| non-core maintainers like me doubt whether it's worth doing anything
| at all.

Yeah, it's a no-win situation.  We don't have time to review things and
groom non-core folks to get commit access, and things don't happen
because people don't have commit access.  =)

I'll take a look at them tonight.

| I'm not even mentioning (well, obviously I am) the fact that I
| submitted packages system-texlive, tetex-texmf-texlive and tetex-base-
| texlive in September and the bare indication that
| 'The role within fink of system packages such as this one is
| currently under review by the fink core team.'  I understand that this
| is a serious issue, but nothing is happening!  The only version of TeX
| that is available with Fink is teTeX 3.0, which is getting seriously
| dated.

Yeah.  I think it's one of those things that when any of us who have
been around for a long time thinks about it, the brain just shuts down.
~ There has been no end of trouble with tetex/texmf/etc stuff breaking
and changing incompatibly, and there were comments from the upstream
that they have no intention of providing any kind of guarantees on
functionality nor the locations of things when new versions come out (if
I recall correctly) so the whole thing left a very bad taste in
everyone's mouths.

Honestly, since I *don't* use those things, I don't feel qualified to
have any opinion on the system-*tex* stuff, this is all based on what I
recall of IRC conversations, and I'm not sure if anyone else has the
expertise to say.  Perhaps someone else can jump in.

~From my point of view, if we have someone who's willing to make sure it
*stays* compatible and work around potential upstream issues, I'm fine
with having it, but given it's history, it will need active maintainership.

| Also; it might be nice if somebody (I can't do it because I don't have
| the information) would post what  the status of the Fink project is.
| Is anybody getting paid to do this, or is it all in people's spare
| time?  Who is making the decisions?

We all do it in our spare time.  As a whole, we have things we want to
do, but have recently not had a lot of time to coordinate things.

| I think that's enough venting for now. I'm sorry to trouble people,
| but I'm trying to help, and feel like I'm submitting stuff into a
| vacuum.

Nah, it's understandable; Fink can chug along quite nicely without
infrastructure changes, but if it's hard for maintainers to get updates
out, it's bad for everyone.  Alexander Hansen has, for the most part,
taken on the monumental task of helping folks who submit stuff to the
trackers, but I think most of us with commit access are in agreement
that the SF tracker *sucks* and try to avoid it if possible.

Unfortunately, the aforementioned time issue makes it hard to come up
with something better than the trackers.  :)

Perhaps we should try to get a proposal out for Summer of Code and see
if someone wants to help us with some longstanding infrastructure work
we've needed to do.

Anyways, it's not for lack of wanting, and we're certainly not *trying*
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[Fink-devel] Copyright infringement: joke, or grievance?

2008-02-26 Thread Benjamin Reed
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So we got some CIA spam today:

~  http://cia.vc/stats/author/fink%20rocks

I've notified them about the issue and hopefully they can do something
about it, but I'm curious about one of the messages, which was this one:

~  http://cia.vc/stats/project/Fink/.message/1337774

Is that someone playing with us, or does someone have a legitimate
concern?  If we're infringing copyright in some way, I'd like to fix it,
not anger folks.  I'm inclined to believe it's someone just messing with
us, but if it's not, it's better to be (ugh, I hate this word) proactive
in fixing the issue.  :)

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Re: [Fink-devel] Copyright infringement: joke, or grievance?

2008-02-26 Thread Benjamin Reed
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I literally sent this 30 seconds after my first post, and for some
reason it didn't go through, so trying again:

Benjamin Reed wrote:

| Is that someone playing with us, or does someone have a legitimate
| concern?  If we're infringing copyright in some way, I'd like to fix it,
| not anger folks.  I'm inclined to believe it's someone just messing with
| us, but if it's not, it's better to be (ugh, I hate this word) proactive
| in fixing the issue.  :)

Of course, as I'm posting this, Peter found an irc log about doing it:

~  http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/macports/1203980400

So, it appears joke is the winnar.  ;)


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Re: [Fink-devel] Copyright infringement: joke, or grievance?

2008-02-26 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Benjamin Reed wrote:

| Is that someone playing with us, or does someone have a legitimate
| concern?  If we're infringing copyright in some way, I'd like to fix it,
| not anger folks.  I'm inclined to believe it's someone just messing with
| us, but if it's not, it's better to be (ugh, I hate this word) proactive
| in fixing the issue.  :)

Of course, as I'm posting this, Peter found an irc log about doing it:

~  http://echelog.matzon.dk/logs/browse/macports/1203980400

So, it appears joke is the winnar.  ;)


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Re: [Fink-devel] Berkeley DB compile failure

2008-02-18 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Alexander K. Hansen wrote:

| This is typically due to the presence of a non-fink db installation, eg.
| in /usr/local.  Check if you have such a thing, and temporarily
| rename /usr/local/include if you do.

Specifically, this error comes from having a rogue dlfcn.h in
/usr/local/include -- which should be necessary since 10.2 or so...
Something you installed manually has a very outdated build procedure.  :)

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Re: [Fink-devel] An option to build universal binaries ?

2008-02-11 Thread Benjamin Reed
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DJamé Seddah wrote:

| Thanks for you long answer but I wonder how come it seems more
| feasible in the macport project ?
| http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/macports/wiki/
| FAQ#IsMacPortsUniversal
| I know that it's not possible for every package (especially for those
| who need to be bootstraped, in that case UB means basically cross
| compilation+emulation (doable on mactel not on ppc except by the mean
| of qemu so very unlikely to work flawlessly) but I would have loved
| to have a magic option :)

Well, it's likely they can do the same percentage I said in my e-mail.  :)

I'm not saying it's impossible, only difficult to do right.

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Re: [Fink-devel] An option to build universal binaries ?

2008-02-10 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Alexander K. Hansen wrote:

| fink selfupdate CFLAGS=-arc i386 -arch ppc
|
| and then hopping that all the makefile will get the new propagated
| CFLAGS and maybe modify the apt.conf to take that into account.

That will work for basically nothing in Fink.  If it were that easy, we
would already have done it.  :)

Autotools-based packages (probably 80% of the stuff in fink) will need
at least --disable-dependency-tracking passed on the configure line as
well as the -arch stuff in your flags.

That will work for maybe 60-80% of autotools (that's 60-80% of 80%).
And, only if you're on Intel, because on PowerPC you'll also need
- -isysroot /Developer/SDKs/MacOSX10.4u.sdk which also adds flags which
piss off some custom-written autotools stuff.

Probably another 20-30% of *those* (including most network tools) do
endianness checks at configure time, which means that it will build on
all platforms, but create broken binaries on whichever platform you're
not building on.  So that's 70-80% working in the 60-80% of 80%.  ;)

Non-autotools-based packages are completely a crapshoot; most of the
manual build system stuff that isn't autotools does not care what's in
CFLAGS, or treats it differently.

Yes, it is theoretically possible to get everything in Fink to build
universal.  In practice, it would require tons and tons of hand-hacking
by maintainers, as well as infrastructural support in Fink, and neither
side has the manpower for us to reasonably expect it to happen.

Not to burst your bubble, but I've thought about this a lot (and built
probably 40 individual KDE dependencies as universal packages manually)
and it's just not feasible.

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Re: [Fink-devel] Trying to package lebsndfile

2008-01-21 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Florian Fahr wrote:
| Hello,
|
| I'm quite new to making Fink packages and I tried to create a package
| for my favourite Emulator, Mednafen (see http://mednafen.sf.net for
| details). It went pretty well, the package is almost ready, except for
| one dependency: libsndfile, which isn't included in Fink, so I decided
| to make a package for it, too.

libsndfile 1.0.17 is already in fink:

http://pdb.finkproject.org/pdb/package.php/libsndfile1


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Re: [Fink-devel] finkproject.org Home page broken?

2008-01-20 Thread Benjamin Reed
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John Ridgway wrote:
| When I direct Safari to www.finkproject.org I get the following
| undesirable result:
|
| Fatal error: Call to undefined function insert_sub() in
/var/www/www.finkproject.org/header.inc
|   on line 359
|
| Is this me, or is the site broken?

don't ask me why, but php suddenly stopped accepting:

~  function insert_sub ($vars) {

...I had to change it to:

~  function insert_sub($vars) {

Not sure why it suddenly appeared though, last time the site got updated
(AFAIK) was last week.  Maybe squid just finally stopped caching the old
one?

Anyways, it's fixed now.  Sorry for the (weird) inconvenience.


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Re: [Fink-devel] [svn] commit: r1101 - in /trunk/experimental: 10.4/main/finkinfo/net/net-snmp-unified.info 10.4/main/finkinfo/net/net-snmp-unified.patch common/main/finkinfo/net/net-snmp-unified.info

2008-01-02 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Martin Costabel wrote:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Author: ranger
 Date: Wed Jan  2 16:16:49 2008
 New Revision: 1101

 URL: 
 http://svn.finkproject.org/websvn/listing.php?sc=1rev=1101repname=user%3a+ranger
 Log:
 testing a new fix
 
 Hi Ben,
 
 you have probably not had time to read all your mail that has arrived 
 during the holidays, but I would like to point you to one that you 
 should have received on 12-24-2007 on [EMAIL PROTECTED], from 
 a discussion on fink-users.
 
 I have a net-snmp-unified.patch in my cvs exp dir with a 1-line patch 
 that seems to solve the problem on ppc. A possible explanation why it 
 works on Leopard but not on Tiger (different bugs in ld) is in that mail 
 message.

I had seen you sent an email, but the guy I'm talking to in IRC right
now said your patch didn't work so I hadn't tried it; perhaps you sent
something else to the list or something and he was confused, because I
ended up coming to the same conclusion as you.  =)

Anyways, thanks for the patch, would have saved me some time if I'd
looked a bit more closely.  :P

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Re: [Fink-devel] pangocairo branch: what supplies pangocairo.h and pangocairo.pc ?

2007-12-20 Thread Benjamin Reed
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William Scott wrote:
 Hi folks:
 
 I'm trying to compile coot (a package I maintain) on the pangocairo  
 branch, and configure fails for the lack of pangocairo.h and  
 pangocairo.pc.
 
 Surely there must be a package in the pangocairo branch that provides  
 these, but I can't find it to save my life.
 
 On my Ubuntu (debian) system, thes files are both supplied in a  
 package called libpango1.0-dev.  Is there an analogous package in  
 the pangocairo branch?

For historical reasons, the pango1-xft2-ft219 package has stuff rooted
in a subdirectory, so you'll need to make sure that the following
directories are in PKG_CONFIG_PATH (and in many cases, their equivalents
are set for CPPFLAGS/CFLAGS/LDFLAGS/etc.):

  %p/lib/freetype219/lib/pkgconfig
  %p/lib/fontconfig2/lib/pkgconfig
  %p/lib/pango-ft219/lib/pkgconfig

Most of the packages in eg. main/finkinfo/gnome should have some good
exmaples to go by.

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Re: [Fink-devel] sourceforge fink bug tracker

2007-12-20 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Brian Barnes wrote:
 Hello,
 
 I was checking out the fink bug tracker on sourceforge (linked off  
 the finkproject.org front page), searching for info about a few  
 favorite packages.  I'm wondering if people really think it's worth  
 using?  The volume on it is surprisingly low... maybe just because  
 the response on the mailing lists is so good.  Problems really seem  
 to get solved in the lists.

I think more than anything, the biggest reason is that most of us
despise the SF tracker interface.  =)

We use it if forced to, but don't go out of our way to do so.


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Re: [Fink-devel] X11-2.1.1.pkg oddity with fink builds

2007-12-17 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Jack Howarth wrote:
 JP,
Do you know what sort of change fink is suppose to implement
 to eliminate the need for this hack? I recall that Jeremy's
 announcement indicated that this was a temporary change to
 Xquartz.

the latest version of fink in trunk and on the 0.27 branch checks for
x11 through pkgconfig before trying Xquartz -version, so we most likely
just need to get the new version out the door.  =)

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Re: [Fink-devel] when Xcode 3.0 gcc 4.2 arrives...

2007-12-11 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Jack Howarth wrote:
 Alexey,
What I had in mind was to default fink to use the gcc-4.2 and
 g++-4.2 compilers if present on a system but to allow both the
 ability to override this behavior on an info file basis as well
 as system-wide through an optional entry in fink.conf.

We already have the provision to do this, through the GCC: field, so in
theory we should be in good shape.  (I presume the ABI changed again
between apple's 4.0 and 4.2?)

C++ code in Fink will already be using the GCC: 4.0 field, so there will
be no ABI conflict issues.  If individual packages can move to 4.2
without messing up packages which depend on them, they can say so.

(Of course, we still need to update fink to accept 4.2 as valid option
there.)

 ps I would note that Apple has been responsive on these issues.
 The problems with the blockdata initialization support required
 for ncarg, which I reported earlier this month, is already fixed
 for the upcoming Xcode 3.1 release.

Good to hear...

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Re: [Fink-devel] when Xcode 3.0 gcc 4.2 arrives...

2007-12-11 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Daniel Johnson wrote:

 No, fortunately, the ABI didn't change. 4.2.1 should be a drop-in
 replacement, assuming that stricter error checking and/or bugs don't
 cause problems. Of course, we all know what happens when we assume... :)

Ah, if that's the case, we can just change our code that makes the
wrapper gcc packages to link to g++-4.2 if it's found, and 4.0 otherwise.

Poyfect.

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Re: [Fink-devel] when Xcode 3.0 gcc 4.2 arrives...

2007-12-11 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Matthew Sachs wrote:

 From a cursory inspection, it looks like Fink just takes the system's
 default.  Leopard doesn't have gcc_select, so use the attached with_gcc
 script.  A la sudo, prefix any command you want to execute with
 with_gcc and it'll execute it in an environment in which not only does
 gcc point to 4.2, but gcc-4.0 does.  For instance:

for ages I've been meaning to make our gcc-wrapper stuff integrate with
distcc and ccache anyways in a sane way, seems like perhaps this would
be a good time to come up with a generalization of with_gcc for Fink use...


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Re: [Fink-devel] new pdb (hopefully) ready for testing

2007-12-06 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Alexey Zakhlestin wrote:
 I entered %%% in the search field — it returned me everything… I
 guess it is not what is supposed to happen… because none of those
 results actually had '%' in their name…
 
 % and _ symbols should be escaped by slashes before querying

Considering it's not using sql, I'm kind of surprised that worked...

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Re: [Fink-devel] new pdb (hopefully) ready for testing

2007-12-06 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Alexey Zakhlestin wrote:
 hmm… do you have some alphanumeric filter there?
 
 three dots ... gave me the same full resultset… :-/

Out of curiosity, what would you *expect* it to give you?

=)

I mean, it's basically equivalent to an empty query in the context of
full-text search.  It's not words, and not any part of a package name, etc.

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Re: [Fink-devel] new pdb (hopefully) ready for testing

2007-12-06 Thread Benjamin Reed
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Koen van der Drift wrote:

 xml-sax-pm
 xml-sax-expat-pm
 
 I used to maintain the second one (but it is set as 'none' now), not
 sure why the first one is also there. Maybe it only matches the first
 few characters?

well, it's matching *all* versions of the package that are indexed;
according to the pdb, you maintained xml-sax at version 0.13.2 in the
0.8.1 binary release:

http://ranger.users.finkproject.org/fink/pdb/package.php/xml-sax-pm581?rel_id=10.4-powerpc-0.8.1-bindist

CVS agrees:

http://fink.cvs.sourceforge.net/fink/dists/10.4/stable/main/finkinfo/libs/perlmods/xml-sax-pm.info?pathrev=release_0_8_1view=markup

I'm thinking maybe if you don't specify, we should default to searching
unstable-only or something.

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