Re: fjordhorse-digest V2015 #99
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr <loisann...@gmail.com> Steve: I want to thank you for all the years and effort you have put into making such an engaging list available to Fjord fans everywhere. I too have noticed a significant dropoff of contributions in the past year and more activity on FB. I don't do much on FB, keeping it as a tool of contact and picture sharing with a few friends and family. It is completely understandable to not want to maintain a service that is barely used. While I am horseless for now due to financial circumstances, I found your list and Fred's forum, an invaluable resource for a newcomer to this wonderful breed. I started on the list in 2002 and found a great bunch of people who were willing to offer suggestions and advice no matter how trivial the topic. Thank you again for all your time and commitment in promoting our wonderful Fjordies over the years! Don't forget about the NFHR Evaluations in Bozeman, MT on August 20, 2016. I plan to fly in to visit my son and take care of personal business at the same time. I hope I will get to meet some of the faces for the names on the great stories over the years. Merry Christmas to everyone I have met here. I am on FB occasionally so I can be contacted there if you do not have my Email address. > -- > *Lois Anne StarrTell me, and I'll probably forget.Show me, and I will remember,Involve me, and I will understand.* Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2015 #77
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr loisann...@gmail.com Brian: I am so glad that all of you did not have more serious injuries. It is unfortunate that the horses will remember this incident for a long time even if they seem fine. I sure do hope they will get over it. We humans can reason ourselves out of an emotional trauma sometimes, but animals, not so much. Fjordies have so much good sense, they may stand their ground next time if the situation warrants. Again, I am glad no one experienced more serious injuries. *Lois Anne Starrâ, missing my horsesâTell me, and I'll probably forget.Show me, and I will remember,Involve me, and I will understand.* Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2015 #72
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr loisann...@gmail.com Oops...sorry. Forgot to trim. *Lois Anne Starr* *Tell me, and I'll probably forget.Show me, and I will remember,Involve me, and I will understand.* Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2013 #156
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr loisann...@gmail.com Lana has started to shed too. Her spring shed doesn't start until late April, unlike Geier who like clockwork, begins his spring shed the first week of January. They both would start shedding their summer coats in August though. A comment on the previous newsletter about the Jnroemer note. Hate to say it, but it sure sounds like a money scam. Did this slip past our moderator? If it is for real, I do apologize, however I have read wy too many begging letters like this that are scams. Hope everyone is having a good summer. Date: Wed, 21 Aug 2013 17:28:26 -0700 From: Jnroemerjnroe...@aol.com Subject: Financial assistance This message is from: Jnroemerjnroe...@aol.com Sorry to bother you with this.I am presently in Spain with my ill Cousin. She's suffering from a Kidney disease and must undergo transplant to save her life. of any assistance to me, I need about $2,500 to make the necessary arrangement -- Lois Anne, Silly Sunny and Lovely Lana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Salt
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr loisann...@gmail.com To add to the salt discussion... My three beasties have 24/7 access to a 50# selenium salt block and a 50# block 12:12 supplement block. Most of the time they last up to 6 months or longer. They don't seem to have any trouble with licking or chewing on them. That's with three of them and deer working on them. One year though, I believe when we had a lot of hot days they went through the blocks within 2 months. That was of concern but when they were replaced, consumption went back to normal. I think free choice is the way to go. They know what they need. And yes, they drink and pee alot too, but I welcome it. At least I know their kidneys are working. :D They cool themselves down in the dry lot by hanging out at the stock tank, dunking their heads in and swishing around hard so the water splashes their faces, necks, chests and parts of the belly. They create mud holes which they then go and lay in to keep cool. No...they haven't been watching pigs. Geier taught the others the water trick this summer so now the tank has to be filled every day instead of every 3 daysAt least they aren't climbing into the tank like he does... By the way, wild horses, even though they don't have access to salt blocks, will go to areas with high concentrations of salt in the ground or out on salt pans to get what they need. -- Lois Anne, Gallant Geier, Silly Sunny and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw FH_L Shirts: http://tinyurl.com/8yky94l
Icy hooves
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr loisann...@gmail.com Hi Listers: For the first time I have had to deal with packed ice and snow accumulating in hooves this winter. I would welcome any and all suggestions about this. My crew is not shod. I was wondering once I get the ice balls out what have folks found to be the most effective in coating the soles with some kind of lubricant. Hoof flex wears off pretty quickly. How safe would WD-40 be to spray on? Since they are all walking around on rockers, would they be safer having access to the round bale 24/7 till it warms up, or would turning them out to pasture be okay? It sure looks uncomfortable standing unstable like that and seems like it would be hard on the joints. -- Lois Anne, Gallant Geier, Silly Sunny and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Ridability
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr loisann...@gmail.com Regarding the ridability of Fjordies. As with any breed you will have individuals who differ in the smoothness of gait. Of my two, I prefer to ride Geier, who is very drafty in build. To look at him, you'd think he'd be hard to sit, yet he moves smoothly enough that I can sit for long periods to his trot. Lana who has a nicer build, I have to post to her trot, I really get a workout, since she is much more forward moving. She still moves nice, and others who ride her, thoroughly enjoy riding her without complaint. I know that there are many on the list who participate in dressage at the higher levels and their horses move very nicely too. Some find their Fjords move better under harness. Any other Listers with their opinions please post. Happy Holidays to All! Lois Anne, Gallant Geier, Silly Sunny and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: Server
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr loisann...@gmail.com Hey Steve: I read your stuff! :D -- Lois Anne, Gallant Geier, Silly Sunny and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2009 #223
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr loisann...@gmail.com Hi Brigid: I am so sorry to hear about Knute. You are so fortunate to have so many photos of you two together. I enjoyed the few you sent me when you two were exploring the hills a few years ago. Usually I am the one behind the camera so don't have many of me and my crew. I hope that looking at them later will be of some measure of comfort to you about a very difficult decision. Knute had a happy, interesting life with you, though it was shorter than expected. That he was able to lead an active life for as many years that you had him, is a testament to your thoughtful care and interest in his well-being. Know that you did all you could for him despite such a physical ailment which could have shortened his life and certainly the quality of what life he had. He is getting fat and sassy now, no more bellyaches, while he waits for you. You did the right thing for him. -- Lois Anne, Gallant Geier, Silly Sunny and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Mud
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr loisann...@gmail.com Hi Listers: I have been reading on the list lately about mud. While my kids have been wearing their fair share of mud, they seem to self-clean within a day or two if I haven't ridden them. I have a book on the winter care of horses, which explained very interestingly about WHY they have to anoint themselves with mud. If you look closely at the fur after the mud has dried, you will find frequently, that it has not penetrated to the skin. When the mud dries, it forms a hard shield, acting as a wind barrier, sealing the body heat in next to the skin in the layer of dry undercoat they are wearing this time of year. As long as they stay dry, the mud shouldn't be much of an issue. I do check my guys for any signs of heel chapping and make sure no accumulation in the fetlock area occurs. -- Lois Anne, Gallant Geier, Silly Sunny and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Old logo
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Personally, I like the old logo. It is timeless in its style -- and what I mean by that is that it doesn't look like it was designed in say, 1970 or 1980. I too like the old logo. The example Lisa Designs proposed would fulfill the need for updating, yet retain the product recognition necessary. She is oh so right in regard to multimedia usage per my own past graphic design experience. -- Lois Anne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. Important FjordHorse List Links: Subscription Management: http://tinyurl.com/5msa7e FH-L Archives: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw Classified Ads: http://tinyurl.com/5b5g2f
Njal picture
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Gail: When you open the pedigree for Njal there is a really tiny box next to his name up top. You click on it. His grandsire works the same way though you of course have to click on his name first to open the pedigree. IMO, not that I'm an expert, I really don't think much of their conformation. Fjords have come a long way since then. I was wondering though...if Njal is considered the founding sire of Fjordies, how come his recorded pedigree goes back for 2 more generations. Wouldn't *GANGE ROLV I, *his grandsire be considered? Could someone please explain how a founding sire is determined? Was Njal so prepotent that his type really influenced the breed to what we know today? -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Njal
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List: I Googled Njal and found this link on his pedigree. There is even a photo of him and his grandsire available. www.allbreedpedigree.com/njal Been raining for a week now with several more days of it to come but it has been in the 30's-50's. Lots of grass for a change around here so the horses are enjoying a bit of turnout for short periods though I'm sure they are tired of the rain as they are usually in their shed when it is pouringhowever, the snap of carrots bring them running too. :D -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Teleporting Fjords
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] We are all aware of the many talents Fjords have, but I was wondering how many have experienced this? I was turning Lana out a few minutes ago to graze for a while. As I unsnapped the lead, I happened to look past her just as a lightning strike occurred very close to us, and I mean scary close. Now Lana was still in my peripheral vision, but when I turned my head to see how she took the really LOUD thunder boom and flash, she was gone, poof! I turned all around to see where she was and found her 200 feet away on the other side of the dry lot grazing! and the boys were crowded up against the fence next to her. I never saw or heard her leave my side. This occurred in no more than 3 seconds. Now usually if she shies, she only jumps about 5 feet, but this was exceptional. Anyone else have this happen? -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Florida
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] My cousin, who is a vet (got her doctorate at U of F), is a northern Illinois transplant, and lives in the Ocala-Gainesville area. She has been there for at least 20 years and has never looked back. Before becoming a mom and opening a new practice, she was very active in the dressage arena (level 3 or 4) with her Holsteiners which she now breeds. She can't say enough good things about the area being horse friendly which was the primary reason she settled there. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Collar measuring
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is in answer to Kelly's collar measuring question. I too have read and listened to all the advise on fitting for a work collar and continued to not really get the specific question I had about how to get an accurate measure for a collar short of actually trying on various sizes. Not having access to a tack store with such a selection I surfed the web a lot on how to get that measurement finding many many methods but not the answer to my question and ...finally a couple of weeks ago found a practical solution to the question on Fraser School of Driving website. http://www.drivehorses.com/measure_horse.htm You need two carpenter's squares and then follow the directions on the website in order to get the actual measurement of the thickness of a horse's neck from the wither area to the windpipe at the top of the brisket area. Hope this helps. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
T-posts and hay
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Another T-post story in the late seventies we had access to a small pond nearby that we'd take the animals to on hot summer days to swim and cool off in, dogs, kids and horses all had a great time in the water. Other folks would come too. One afternoon, Mookie, (not a Fjord) just a little mixed black girl, came charging up out of the pond as usual, cutting through some reeds. Next thing I knew she let out this g-- awful scream, started to run away then turned back and came to me and just stood there shaking. She had impaled her chest with a broken T-post that was hidden in the reeds on the pond bank (we looked for whatever had done this later) tearing a 6 inch three corner tear in her chest, skin just hanging there. Weird thing was there was hardly any blood. Needless to say we loaded up within minutes and headed to the vet's where Mook was given antibiotics, had her wound irrigated and stitched up with what seemed like a mile of drains. We went home, followed directions and although she was sore for a few days, she never developed a fever or infection. Her chest healed up just great and you had to really look for a scar, just a small dimple where one of the drains exited. I really expected white hair to grow in, but it didn't. Yup, t-posts can be nasty things even in familiar places. I must say our vet was so responsive that day, seeing Mookie right away and us dragging a very wet and muddy pony in to his clinic! She was so good about everything too. My guys all have a round bale that is mixed alfalfa/native and seeded grass mix withlimited access. I have never had a problem with loose bowels with them so hopefully it will just be a temporary thing for you. I have read on the list, a number of folks seem to have a similar problem feeding alfalfa/grass mix. I happen to like it for the very reason it does have a mild laxative effect and keeps things moving right along... Maybe bringing in some of your old hay and gradually transitioning to the new? I'm sure others on the list will have some suggestions. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Simple feeding
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Folks: Have been following the feeding discussion and have to agree with Eric K. regarding feeding. My philosophy is KISS (Keep It Simple Silly). My guys don't get any supplemental feed because 1. it makes them too hot and 2. they get so fat on it! I am very fortunate in having a very good supply of inexpensive hay (this does not equate with cheap!) that I get in round bales. The bale is kept in a hay yard separate from the dry lot and my 3 are allowed in the hay yard for 2-3 hours each feeding unless we have exceptionally cold weather (like -15 below last night) at which point they get as much as they want. Observation of how long it takes for them to finish a rationed amount of hay (before switching to roundies) has determined how long they access to the buffet. The hay is an alfalfa/mixed seed and native grasses that my guys have done very well on. They get nice thisck soft winter coats and shed out very slick and shiny in the summer. I do have to reduce their feed times when I am getting fresh cut bales at the beginning of the season because they pork up very fast on it. Once the bales have aged a couple months they are back on their full ration. They also get 12:12 and trace mineral blocks free choice. Sunny, the Appy/Arab is the only one who gets extra feed in the fall as he seems to winter better with a bit of weight on him. Once he is up to the weight I want him at (and he grows his winter coat) he too goes back to just hay for the winter. Sunny's supplemental feed consists of alfalfa pellets, a little COB and beet pellets all very well soaked as a hot mash. Any extra weight left from winter feeding gets worked off in the warmer months so their amounts actually remain pretty consistent throughout the year. So far there have been no skin, allergy or digestive issues. Hooves are in great shape, in fact Sunny has only had one minor trim in 6 years as he has very consistent even wear. Lana and Geier also have slightly longer intervals between trims, about 8-10 weeks, but I think it has to do with our ground here because even they don't have much trimmed off when it is needed. All three have very good hooves and are barefoot on rocky ground with little to no chipping and no cracking. In fact Lana had a front hoof crack when I first got her that has long since gone away. Anyway, I try to keep feeding as simple as possible but I also feel the key is having excellent quality hay preferably from the same origin. I do have to say that in the fall, Sunny seems to have the urge to chew wood for about a month or so. Several people have mentioned putting logs in for them to chew, so I will definitely try that this fall. He doesn't do it at any other time of year. Sorry this is so long... Hope everyone is well and staying warm out there! -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Regarding Felting, Spinning and Genetics
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List: I have been following the discussion regarding genetics and although I have absolutely no practical knowledge regarding it, I have found it to be a very good informative discussion. A couple years ago I sent my thoughts to Carol R. about crossbreeding and thought I would dig out that note since it seems to be pertinent to the topic. When I first posted it, little did I know what a can of worms I opened at the time! LOL! VERY hot topic. * *-- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Regarding Felting, Spinning and Genetics 2nd Attempt!
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Aurghhh! that darned button did it again! Here's the complete post I have been following the discussion regarding genetics and although I have absolutely no practical knowledge regarding it, I have found it to be a very good informative discussion. A couple years ago I sent my thoughts to Carol R. about crossbreeding and thought I would dig out that note since it seems to be pertinent to the topic. When I first posted it on the list, little did I know what a can of worms I opened at the time! LOL! VERY hot topic. * **There seems to be some confusion as to how crossbreeding could possibly devalue a particular breed. It seems to me that preservation of a rare breed with a low population would be a priority amoung it's fanciers.* * * *Although we as proponents of Fjords can be biased in our opinions and merits of the breed (and why not?) and love to promote Fjords and their positive qualities, wouldn't crossbreeding dilute those very qualities we value? When something becomes diluted and spread thin, and this can be anything folks, it's strengths also are diffused and blurred over time. You just don't have the same animal. If someone is so enthusiastic about Fjords that they feel compelled to introduce those characteristics elsewhere, the end result is not anything, just an individual that doesn't benefit any one breed or make a lasting contribution to it other than performance. * * * *I have a registered Half-Arab and while he is a very nice horse, he is certainly not going to be remembered years down the road as having made a contribution to the betterment of his breed. His is no breed technically and as long as Arabs are crossbred with other breeds, there will not be any consistent type of Half-Arab. * * * *I'm not saying crossbreeding is a bad thing in and of itself, there are certain qualities unique to each breed that can certainly complement each other if crossbreedingcrossbreeding can and does get out of hand with unfortunate results. If it becomes widespread, and there are problems, do we want to hear the excuse of Well, he/she is part Fjord (or whatever). Is that how we want to have the Fjord represented in coming years? I have a neighbour who upon hearing that I recently bought a Fjord, commented that they don't have as good a temperament as such and such breed. Now why is that? Was he around a crossbred or a mishandled Fjord? Do we want to cheapen the breed and make it commonly accessible by crossbreeding to any horse? There is such a thing as supply and demand. Something is valuable only if it is valued and protected. If someone admires the Fjord quality, why not get a Fjord? They are certainly not overpriced. is done intelligently with an eye to the purpose. However, * * * *As I understand it, crossbreeding is supposed to be a blending of the best of two breeds. However, it is a hit or miss proposition, especially if done with a grade mare (or stud). There's an awful lot of people out there who breed just to breed. I just don't get the benefits of crossbreeding for the long haul. To me, it seems to be financially motivated and certainly not a promotion of any one breed. Fjords are rare enough as it is. Preservation of the breed should be paramount and should represent itself as is. I don't think a crossbred is a good representative of the Fjord Horse. *As regards the felting of Fjord fur I personally found the discussion interesting, granted not as stimulating as the genetics topic, butI do spin wool during the winter when it is just too nasty and miserable to be outside for any length of time. I too had wondered about how well Fjord fur would spin but was concerned about the silkiness and shortness of staple. Since I have plenty of Corridale wool to work with I will certainly keep the suggestion of mixing it in mind when I get a large enough supply of Fjord fur! Now if the lovely golden color can be maintainedSo thank you to those fellow fiber artists who love their Fjordies! -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Horse Ownership is a Luxury...
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Montanans_against_NAIS/message/531;_ylc=X3oDM TJxZDFhZ3ZpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE3NjAyNTA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjcyMARtc2 dJZAM1MzEEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDU2MjE5NA--Hi All!Someone mentioned the cost and consequences of too many horses on the last posting. This came in on my NAIS list so I thought I'd pass this one on even though 99.9% of us are aware of the costs, time and commitment involved. Maybe an article to be passed on to prospective buyers who may be first-time owners? Horse ownership is a luxury these days http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Montanans_against_NAIS/message/531;_ylc=X3oDMT JxZDFhZ3ZpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE3NjAyNTA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjcyMARtc2d JZAM1MzEEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDU2MjE5NA-- Posted by: Tina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ese%20days twinpinesmt http://profiles.yahoo.com/twinpinesmt Wed Jan 16, 2008 2:52 pm (PST) http://www.coloradoan.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080116/UPDATES01/80116 026 Horse ownership is a luxury these days BY TERRY JESTER For The Coloradoan If you're thinking about going out and adopting or buying a horse, please consider this first: Other than the fixer-upper house, there is nothing more likely to suck money out of your pockets than a horse. If you've got both time and money, maybe a horse is for you. But, if you're short on either, it's best to skip the cowboy/cowgirl phase and leave it to those with the necessary requirements. The reality of horse ownership is that it is a luxury in this day and age. Lots with big houses and small yards, strip malls and condos sprouting up where hay and grain used to rule, time spent ferrying the kids to soccer and doctor's appointments make proper horse ownership difficult. The cost of owning a horse measured in time and money has skyrocketed. Sadly, statistics state that 80 percent of first-time horse owners will no longer be horse owners within two years. I think that this is due to many factors, one of them being that people just don't understand how much time, money and energy it takes to become a true horse person. Horsemanship is like learning a language it takes years to master. Although you can flail along and learn on-the-job with dogs and cats, trying that with horses is a good way to get hurt. When I was operating my own horse rescue several years ago, I had on a regular basis people come to me and profess knowl-edge of horsemanship when none existed. These people, because they had never fallen off of a dude-string horse, thought that they knew how to ride and could suc-cessfully navigate around a horse. Wrong. Dude-string horses, while em-ployed on the dude string, are not that much different than that horse plugged in outside of Wal-Mart. Real horses are not going to casually allow inexperienced owners to dictate their actions. They will have an opinion. This opinion will be contrary to what the new owner has in mind. In the best of circumstances, it will be an unsatisfactory experience for all involved. In a worst case scenario, it can put someone in the hospital or worse. Although it may seem like a cheap way to acquire a horse, adopting a horse from a rescue or shelter should be looked upon with the same commitment as if you paid thousands for the animal. In reality, there is no such thing as a cheap horse. Horses cost a great deal of money to feed, house and care for properly. The initial expense of purchasing the horse is nothing compared to the long-term financial commitment. If you really want a horse, then by all means get one. But first spend time learning how to ride, care and communicate with horses so that the experience is a positive one for both you and your new companion. For more good pet advice, see Thursday's Life section of the Coloradoan. Terry Jester is a nationally recognized companion animal behaviorist. To learn more about companion animal training, visit www.rockymountainrawhide.com. For questions about your own pet, call Jester at 568-7585 or send e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] arriniranch%40aol.com 25 degrees and hey! mild wind tonight! only 14 mph but trying to snow -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Montanans_against_NAIS (Kinda long but worth reading)
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Listers! A few days ago someone had posted information about NAIS. I have been receiving the newsletter from Montanans Against NAIS for well over a year and thought I'd share this week's newsletter with those who may be interested. Although it discussses cattle this week, the program does extend to horses, domestic livestock and exotics too. What I find ironic is the USDA is allowing Canadian cattle imports of a certain age to the US despite known BSE infected cattle already been discovered in the past, yet by allowing importation it is supposed to promote beef importation even though the most recent case of BSE was found December 17, 2007. USDA is supposed to be inspecting and providing a safeguard of our nation's food supply yet because of it's NAIS program a 16 year old girl was evicted from showing her steer at a county fair unless her parents' farm was registered. When will that philosophy migrate to us showing our horses or transporting them? Will we eventually be forced to register our homes in order to have hay delivered? That is already happening in the south. I'm sure there are other states who have grass roots movements in place. I highly encourage everyone to take an interest and educate yourselves on the potential impact this program will have on you. By the way, I don't want to seem to be singling out our neighbors to the North. This week's discussion happened to be about Canadian imports. There are many other countries who are importing cattle to the US for slaughter too that get mixed in with US origin cattle complicating further who is responsible for when a herd certified and tested as clean and healthy BEFORE shipping to the stockyards then is infected after arrival. It is just one huge mess. -- Forwarded message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 15 Jan 2008 09:36:05 - Subject: [Montanans_against_NAIS] Digest Number 235 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Montanans_against_NAIS http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Montanans_against_NAIS;_ylc=X3oDMTJlcjRzdTF0BF 9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE3NjAyNTA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjcyMARzZWMDaGRyBHNsawN ocGgEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDM4OTc2NA-- Messages In This Digest (2 Messages) 1. Final Brief Filed in Request for Preliminary Injunction of OTM Rule #1177ccfe8331474c_1 From: Tina 2. Farmers fear a barnyard Big Brother #1177ccfe8331474c_2 From: Tina View All Topicshttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Montanans_against_NAIS/messages;_ylc=X3o DMTJnc2txdWViBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE3NjAyNTA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjcyMARz ZWMDZG1zZwRzbGsDYXRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjAwMzg5NzY1?xm=1m=ptidx=1| Create New Topichttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Montanans_against_NAIS/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJn ZXZrc2lrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE3NjAyNTA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjcyMARzZWMDZ G1zZwRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjAwMzg5NzY1 Messages 1. Final Brief Filed in Request for Preliminary Injunction of OTM Rule http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Montanans_against_NAIS/message/529;_ylc=X3oDMT JxYXJuYzB1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE3NjAyNTA2BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTA0MjcyMARtc2d JZAM1MjkEc2VjA2Rtc2cEc2xrA3Ztc2cEc3RpbWUDMTIwMDM4OTc2NQ-- Posted by: Tina [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] or%20Preliminary%20Injunction%20of%20OTM%20Rule twinpinesmt http://profiles.yahoo.com/twinpinesmt Mon Jan 14, 2008 12:52 pm (PST) R-CALF United Stockgrowers of America Fighting for the U.S. Cattle Producer For Immediate Release Contact: Shae Dodson, Communications Coordinator January 14, 2008 Phone: 406-672-8969; e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]sdodson%40r-calfusa.com Final Brief Filed in Request for Preliminary Injunction of OTM Rule Billings, Mont. R-CALF USA, on behalf of 10 additional plaintiffs, has filed its final reply brief in its request that the District Court District of South Dakota, Northern Division (District Court) issue a preliminary injunction to suspend the U.S. Department of Agriculture's (USDA's) OTM (over-30-month) Rule that, on Nov. 19, opened the Canadian border to imports of live cattle born after March 1, 1999, and beef products from Canadian cattle of any age. Twelve cases of bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) have been detected in Canadian-born cattle, eight since the beginning of last year most recently, the case announced on Dec. 18, 2007. Attorneys for both R-CALF USA and USDA have suggested the District Court hold a hearing on the preliminary injunction as soon as Feb. 19 or Feb. 20. R-CALF asserts there is a risk of great harm if the OTM Rule is allowed to stand, said R-CALF USA CEO Bill Bullard . There's the risk the OTM Rule could cause billions of dollars of damage to the U.S. beef market, risk of infection of the U.S. cattle herd, as well as a risk to consumers. Older Canadian cattle have been streaming into the U.S. at an annualized rate of between 150,000 and 200,000 head per year. In a Sept. 14, 2007, news conference, USDA had adjusted its figures to claim that only 75,000 head of older Canadian cattle would be expected
Winter Gear Recommendations
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All! In response to a request for the websites and suggestions I received on windy winter riding I have compiled excerpts from the various emails for those of you who may find it of use. Thank you again for all the posts to my inquiry. By the way, Geier is king of the roost here though Sunny (Appy/Arab) sure tried to convince him otherwise for about 3 minutes So not all Fjordies are pushovers and yes Geier makes sure he gets his share of the food R: I have found that you must have warmth *snug *against your skin, first of all, I believe in layering =)).. so start with wool long johns perhaps, then maybe something air tight, etc. ending up with a windbreaker. like tightly woven nylon, canvas, or indestructable rubber type. so you need both, the skin warmth, plus the wind break. Gene has Duofold Polypropylene (sp?) underwear which he likes, but we don't have the wind here so don't know how that would work where you are... I prefer natural fibers on the skin. Me: Windbreaker material is absolutely miserable for me to be able to remain seated, unless I use the wrong material? Verry slippery! Someone mentioned using suede schooling chaps over a bunch of layers. I think the suede would keep me from sliding about. I will look for wool long johns though, may have to order them. Can only find cotton or synthetics in the stores. Someone else suggested silk too. Have to keep experimenting... 29 degrees, 40 mph sustained with 50-80 mph gustsand it is snowing. furballs are hiding in their shed... C: I have a pair of Irideon brand winter breeches. They are made out of some kind of soft stuff, kind of fleecy, and they are very warm. They are sold as winter weight riding breeches. They are stretchy and pull-on, and have knee patches. ...They are both available from Dover, either on-line or through the catalog. K: Jaimie and I both swear by our full schooling chaps. I usually wear long johns, a pair of jeans over them, and then put on my chaps. N: I wear panty hose first, wood socks, jeans and have a pair of chaps that seem to be pretty heavy. H: that works well for me is a few level of thin clothing like long silk under wear along with insulated yeans and on top of that western leather chaps. Those chaps would be way to big for the summer time, but they keep the wind away. K: The breeches I have to give away are made by Tuff Rider. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Winter Riding Gear: Second Attempt!!
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All! Please ignore the first draft of this, I accidently hit Send before it was finished. AURGHHH!!! This has many websites folks were so kind to refer me too. Some really cool stuff. In response to a request for the websites and suggestions I received on windy winter riding I have compiled excerpts from the various emails for those of you who may find it of use. Thank you again for all the posts to my inquiry. By the way, Geier is king of the roost here though Sunny (Appy/Arab) sure tried to convince him otherwise for about 3 minutes So not all Fjordies are pushovers and yes, Geier makes sure he gets his share of the food R: I have found that you must have warmth *snug *against your skin, first of all, I believe in layering =)).. so start with wool long johns perhaps, then maybe something air tight, etc. ending up with a windbreaker. like tightly woven nylon, canvas, or indestructable rubber type. So you need both, the skin warmth, plus the wind break. Gene has Duofold Polypropylene (sp?) underwear which he likes, but we don't have the wind here so don't know how that would work where you are... I prefer natural fibers on the skin. Me: Windbreaker material is absolutely miserable for me to be able to remain seated, unless I used the wrong material? Verry slippery! Someone mentioned using suede schooling chaps over a bunch of layers. I think the suede would keep me from sliding about. I will look for wool long johns though, may have to order them. Can only find cotton or synthetics in the stores. Someone else suggested silk too. Have to keep experimenting... 29 degrees, 40 mph sustained with 50-80 mph gustsand it is snowing. furballs are hiding in their shed... C: I have a pair of Irideon brand winter breeches. They are made out of some kind of soft stuff, kind of fleecy, and they are very warm. They are sold as winter weight riding breeches. They are stretchy and pull-on, and have knee patches. ...They are both available from Dover, either on-line or through the catalog. K: Jaimie and I both swear by our full schooling chaps. I usually wear long johns, a pair of jeans over them, and then put on my chaps. N: I wear panty hose first, wood socks, jeans and have a pair of chaps that seem to be pretty heavy. H: that works well for me is a few level of thin clothing like long silk under wear along with insulated yeans and on top of that western leather chaps. Those chaps would be way to big for the summer time, but they keep the wind away. ... To keep my feet from getting cold, I have heated insoles in my boots. Since a lot of heat is lost through your head, I am not afraid to double up on fleece hats K: The breeches I have to give away are made by Tuff Rider. Some websites: www.bitterrootbitandspur.com/chaps http://www.thebrandfarm.ca/WinterChaps.html http://www.smartpakequine.com/ProductClass.aspx?productclassid=4790cmPreserv eSource=truecmPreserveCategory=true http://www.flyingmonkeyranch.com/products.shtml http://www.victorycanter.com/product.php?productid=19821cat=0page=1 http://www.doversaddlery.com/product.asp?pn=X1-35486c2p=hpbhcd2=1200183669 www.smoothstride.com www.hickoryhorsehut.com www.boinkcatalog.com http://www.irideonridingwear.com/collection_intro.htm www.coachmansdelight.com http://classicbells.com/portfolio/portNdx.htm#top This one is for fun but there is a pair of angora chaps in there somewhere. Really nice bells too. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Cold weather gear
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Listers! I want to thank everyone who responded privately and on the list to my request for suggested cold weather gear. Quite a few people have commonly recommended specific brands or products that I will particularly look into. Love the woolies idea butout of my price range...I'm sure they would do an excellent job though. Thanks again everyone, and warm riding to you all! -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2008 #6
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] So we kind of have a Yin and Yang in the pasture now! Comparing the two makes me see that Splendora is butt-high. Now a question about that thick Fjord throat latch. Hi List! Happy New Year to everyone! I haven't posted for awhile, took a loong break from the computer. In response to the butt-high and flexing questions. Depending on the age of the horse and stage of development it is in, they can be out of proportion for a while. When they finally stop growing ( at about 6?) everything seems to have caught up and in a properly conformed horse all should be in balance. As for flexing at the poll...I think at some point someone mentioned Fjordies have a different skeletal connection at the skull and first vertebra which enables them to flex more than expected. Of course jaw width helps too. If I am wrong in my recollections of this information, please!, someone correct me! I personally have a need for some advice. Where we live it is very exposed and windy year round (you know what I mean Michelle!) All work, grooming and riding is outside with no buildings for shelter other than the kids shed. About 80% of the time we have SUSTAINED winds between 20-35 mph, 10% about 6-10 mph, and the rest is 90+ mph (mostly in the winter). Needless to say the wind chill is a serious factor here. Even the Fjordies get tired of it and head for their shelter when they finish eating, and they aren't wimps! While lots of layering and wool sweaters take care of the upper body, I have yet to find a solution for the butt and legs. Hunting weight long johns and jeans just aren't enough and insulated Carhartts, while toasty are frequently too bulky for some activities (like riding!) Can anyone recommend where I can find reasonably priced outer gear that is wind resistant, WARM but not too bulky, that REALLY works? It is so discouraging to be frozen to the bone after only 1/2 hour, especially when the fuzzy Fjords look so comfy and ready to do stuff. Needless to say they aren't worked as much as I'd like. By the way I need something in wide glide, plus sized. Any recommendations for frozen legs that should have enough padding to keep warm but don't? -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Retirement Sanctuary for draft breeds
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Listers: I know this isn't Fjord specific, but since our guys seem to be designated in the draft category frequently, I thought this may be of interest to you. I found this article in the paper this morning, called and got a bit more information. Deborah Derr moved to Livingston, MT in May from Arizona because it was just too hot for the horses there. Here is the article and web links for you. *RETIREMENT SANCTUARY FOR DRAFT HORSES* in the *Montana Pioneer*, October 2007 *United in Light, Inc., the only nonprofit Retirement Sanctuary for Draft horse breeds in our nation, serving draft horse breeds for over 4 years, needs your help. We have rescued draft breeds from New York to California from untimely deaths. Winterizing the sanctuary requires financial resources and United In Light is seeking help: $1500 for frost free water within the barn; $40,000 funding or donated barn/materials; $3000 for hay and transport costs. Need Online Auction Items in October, antiques, fine arts, weekend getaways, products, gift baskets, services, coupons, etc. to be placed in our nationwide online auctuion to raise funds for the horses. Contact Deborah Derr at 406/222-7982, 101 Billman Lane, Livingston, Montana 59047. * ** Deborah has 8 horses now with two more on their way from Maryland. I am familiar with her property and it really is a nice spot for retirement! Her email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here are her websites and YouTube links: www.draftrescue.com http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTEMrUqd9SU Online products- http://www.zazzle.com/1drafthorse -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #224
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] *SPLENDID JOB Robin..! ... thanks for sharing. =)).Ruthie, nw mt US *I second, third it whatever...very nice job Robin, alot of time in this and it shows. Thank you so much! A keeper! Lois Anne, Wayne, Geier and Lana from Montana The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Carriage list
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All: I have currently been wagon/buggy shopping and came across this list. Although it is intended for therapy driving programs, I thought it might be of interest to you. http://www.narha.org/Driving/CarriageList.asp -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Wagon needing transport
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am in the process of arranging for transport for a wagon from Washburn, WI to Livingston, MT. Is anyone heading along the northern route (I-90) anytime in the next few weeks that would have room for it? Or even passing through/near Montana? Thanks. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #201
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you, Lisa. I too found it too coincidental to remain silent this go round. In case anyone wondered, I have had personal experience with asbestos poisoning. I nursed my dad through the last six months of his life at home and was with him when he passed away 6 years ago, from lung cancer due to asbestos poisoning. It is an ugly, very painful way to go. I'm glad the topic of road safety came up as I have a question. While Lana and Geier have had lots of driving experience, I have not. We have a very nice 8 mile stretch of paved road to town once we get off our place. At the town limits is a triple railroad crossing I would eventually like to cross then turn around a mile further into town. There is alot of freight traffic on this line and I was wondering what is the safest thing to do should a train come (noise, whistles etc.) before we get to the tracks? Not knowing how Lana and Geier would react I certainly wouldn't want to be in an emergency situation, yet if they are calm and sensible about the whole thing, I think it would be about as good an exercise in distraction as could be gotten. I would have someone with me the first time we got that far but I was wondering if anyone else had any safety tips. The Amish deal with trains all the time so I know horses can be trained to tolerate it. I have someone local who can advise me too, but I was hoping for more from anyone else. Thanks. *I find that the outdated content of this 9 yr old film being brought to the Fjord list, one week or so the Libby, MT. Fjord show to be an unusual break from normally PC and wise posts. The only personal comment from my usual flip writings would be shame on you. Poor form and bad timing at the least and personally a bit surprising IMHO. Lisa * Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Libby ad nauseum
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] You said it Fred! Thank you for the updated site report, link by the way. I was just discussing this very thing with another list member last night and today. It is amazing to what lengths people will go to for politics and money. Why denegrate one well established fun show for any other purpose than to obtain potential revenue from it? You don't like Libby, don't come and certainly don't deliberately ruin it for those who do like it using outdated reports of contamination!!! (And yes, I have spent HOURS researching this!) This fearmongering for private gain and status has got to stop, and if this ruffles feathers and makes enemies...there are plenty of other people in the world I can deal with! Let's get the focus back on Fjords, not on money and whose got the biggest, bestest shiniest show of all. I'll go back to semi-lurking now... *For a report from the EPA on the cleanup, go to: **http://www.epa.gov/region8/superfund/libby/cleanup.html*http://www.epa.gov/region8/superfund/libby/cleanup.html *I stand more chance of injury driving to and from Seattle than living in Libby. This is now nothing more than a tempest in a teapot. Fred * -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #183
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All: First, so sorry about the double send with no reply. Twitchy finger... Eric, your Fjord forum format is very well done and thought out. I do understand how some people would be interested in near real time dialog however, I couldn't help but wonder...how many folks have time to sit for an hour or two, IMing (or something similar) on the computer? I'm lucky to grab 10-15 minutes or so at a time to answer an email, much let park and chat, and I only have 3 horses. I have a Belgian friend who IM's me (and me her) frequently but we don't always have time to visit and our contact is gradually dropping. It is disappointing, but real. Anyway, just wanted to compliment you on the forum site. It is well done, and if I have time, I hope to drop in on occasion. Lois Anne, Montana I am confused! If the Fjord Horse List is not an English language fjord horse forum, what is it?? It's an email list, not a web forum/board. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fwd: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #174
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Thank you Lisa!* ** *...for the very informative (layman) article on Coggins. Although we don't show (but hope to a teensy bit in the future), I would certainly be willing to have a current test done on our guys, even if it was in-state. Fortunately, our place is so dry, we hardly have flies, much less horseflies (haven't seen ANY for more than 10 years!), so I know we are pretty safe at this time (knock wood). If we showed and traveled as much as many on the list seem to do, I'd certainly do what I could to assure my and my fellow horseman's peace of mind. Not exactly health insurance, but I bet the monthly breakdown of cost for a Coggins is a heck of alot cheaper than some of the horse insurance premiums. Like Jerry said, if you want to play, you have to pay.* I am trying to figure out how ( besides a small cost compared to the consequences ) not having a coggins test or showing in venues that require them is a BAD thing. I think that the NFHR rule helping protect our Fjords is a good thing. Here is an easy to read article about why the coggins test is required in most states. Lisa EQUINE INFECTIOUS ANEMIA AND THE COGGINS TEST by Robert N. Oglesby, DVM -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
My Other Life
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List: Wayne and I have both had a variety of experiences in our other lives. Wayne was in Air Force Intellegence, finished with them, then did computer programming and customer service work for a number of years. We settled in Montana and now own/operate a septic and sewer cleaning operation serving agricultural, residential and commercial customers in our community from our modest 20 acre home in the middle of a half-section. Wayne says it's the only job he knows of where he is a hero to everyone everyday! He would love for me to stay home full time but I'm not ready to retire quite yet! In my youth, I worked with Arabians and Thoroughbreds, mostly on the farm, but occationally made it to the track too. After a significant back injury, I ended up with a national defense contractor, then US Army working on missile guidance and radar jamming devices (really cool interesting work during Desert Storm!). Fast forward some years and eventual relocation to Montana. I now work as office secretary/manager with a non-profit agency serving children who have developmental disabilities or handicaps, coordinating services for them within the community. It is very rewarding work helping our families. EEEKKK! I've become the desk jockey I swore I'd never be 30 years ago! We have 2 Fjordies, 1 Appy/Arab, 2 Border Collies, 7 kitties, an old dove and children in three states who keep us busy. Wayne is still a computer geek and proficiant musician. I miss being able to garden (we have very little water), so spin wool and do art instead... -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #143
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi List: I know it's not Fjordie but the link for Tangle Tree Norwegian Doles is below. http://www.dolehorseusa.com Now I'll make it Fjordie related. Lana and Geier say it getting hot and the flies are nasty. An interesting entry this year was a young lady from South Dakota with an imported Norwegian Dole. An interesting breed -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Off subject
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Catherine: As an old biker chick, I can only drool now. Good luck. On 6/1/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello List. Anyone interested in a Harley Davidson? Rune asked me to pass the word around about his bike. Contact me directly! Rune will be home mid June to show the bike off. Fjord Horses do not mind the MC. :-) 1976 HARLEY DAVIDSON FLH, ELECTRA GLIDE BICENTENIAL SPECIAL EDITION FULL DRESSER - COLLECTOR'S BIKE Shovelhead, 80 cu in, 1200 CC, SS Carburetor, straight pipes w/ fishtails, oil cooler, new drive chain, el start, 4 sp. transmission, 5 month old battery, All Black, looks good, sounds good, runs good. $ 12,000.00 --- Catherine Lassesen Hestehaven - The Horse Garden www.hestehaven.com / [EMAIL PROTECTED] Southern Oregon The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fwd: round bales
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All: We feed round bales mainly because my back won't take stacking the squares anymore. The feeder is on the lee side of the shed and I keep it tarped mostly because the wind will blow it away, although this month has been rather wet. I also have two rubber stall mats under the whole works to keep the hay from absorbing too much ground moisture and the furry vacums from eating too much dirt while hoovering the alfalfa flakes up. The hay stays in really nice condition for the 3-4 weeks it takes for it to be eaten with little to no waste. Since my guys are on dry lot and I use steel corral panels, I expanded the lot to include a gated area that has the round bale in it. I have two gates set up so I can go into the feed lot and toss hay into the small feeders in the dry lot without having to contend with the vultures, if I am not going to be home while they eat. Otherwise, I open the inside gate, and let them in to eat for 1 1/2 to 2 hours twice a day, then chase them out. They usually exit without any complaint because they are full (but as we all know, they will continue to eat if they are allowed to!) . On the weekends I open it once more time, adjusting the time of course for shorter feed cycles, so they get the full daily ration by day's end. It took them about 1 1/2 - 2 hours to eat their measured rations when I fed squares, so that is how I came up with the feed lot time. They also get the opportunity to mow the lawn for 1/2 -1 hour each on the weekends as a treat after they have had their hay. By doing this, both Lana and Geier have lost weight (they were really heavy when I got them). Lana lost about 100 pounds and Geier close to 300. They both have withers!, no rain gutters, no fat pads over the tail and some muscle definition now. They are still chunky but I am more comfortable with their weight now. Once they are fitted up they will look pretty good. One thing to consider though. I do have an Appy/Arab who Geier chases off the rack for at least the first hour or so. As a result, Sunny lost weight because he wasn't getting enough to eat, so now he gets a partial ration in the small tire feeder in the lot, until Geier is less famished (he looks starved! hah!) and lets Sunny in to eat. It works out fine now, Sunny has regained his weight and waits by the small feeder for his hay then joins the others later. None of them get any grain. You mentioned that you have your own place now, if it is feasible, feeding round bales can be so much easier in many ways. We don't have the equipment for handling them, but my hay guy loads up my pickup once a month or so and I just roll them off when I get home (don't forget to remove the tailgate!). Quick releases on the feeder, makes reassembly much quicker. Since I can't turn them on the flat, the feeder holds the bale just fine when it relaxes after the strings are pulled. Since the feeder holds the tarp up off the hay most of the time, there is lots of air circulation so the hay doesn't build condensation. A friend who I bought Lana and Geier through has a similar setup, that I adapted from hers. She has alot more horses of course, but the system seems to work well for her too. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: eyes on Fjords
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've heard of the term pig eyes in and of itself, but never heard it applied to Fjords. Seemed to me that Fjords are known for their large dark expressive eyes. As far as inferiority complexI don't know about that. I think there might be something to impaired vision because of the reduced eye size. On 5/16/07, dfle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: dfle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Have any of you heard the term pig eyes in a Fjord. I recently had a buyer come to my farm and saw a young male that was out of a mare I had purchased (not my breeding). He is a knowledgeable horse person but not necessarily a Fjord breeder. He stated that this horse had pig eyes and horses like that usually were not as trustworthy because they had an inferiority complex because they didn't see as well. He had purchased two Fjord geldings (from someone else) that had pig eyes and he never really got them to be the team he wanted because of their inferiority complex. That was why he had come back to me to buy some more horses. Needless to say he bought a full brother to another horse he purchased and left a very happy new owner. Now, I'm not sure what to do with this horse -- he certainly seems to have a good nature and doesn't seem to have a inferiority complex and pick on other horses or seem to spook or anything else. Any comments or ideas from anyone out there. Guess I didn't know about this trait in Fjords. Rosemary Sent via the WebMail system at cmnt1.c-magic.com The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Short/tall horses
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] when i went looking for a fjord, i wanted smaller, too, even though i am tall and big boned. Hi List; Sorry about the pig eye comment, that was supposed to have been a private reply... I have been reading about the tall/short postings. Most of my horse experience was on either 16+ hand Thoroughbreds or on Arabs. Big difference with each on how I fit. Although I enjoy being close to the ground, I have NEVER been able to mount from the ground unassisted, even when I was younger and alot more sprier. Leg length (or rather the lack thereof) has always been an issue with me, and it doesn't matter how big or short the horse is or the barrel size, I just can't seem to do the Stretch Armstong thing and get my heels any more than halfway down the ribcage. Needless to say, I can't help but have the mental image of a roly-poly rider on a roly-poly pony ala Norman Thelwell of myself. Having bounced off too many times in my younger years from waaay up in the upper altitudes, Fjordies seemed to be the logical choice for me. Just one bounce is more like it. I like being able to see over a horse's back, too, instead of having to use a haybale or two to groom! -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #100
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you for updating my faulty memory. Snowman was the horse I remembered, but I was a little kid at the time, hence foggy details. With the correct name I was able to find out more information about him. I remembered Nautical and his tail, but didn't remember his name. Thanks again. I was wondering...does anyone remember a grey pony, I think his name was Showman, who competed at the Grand Pre level years ago? -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2007 #99
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pony Power This message is from: vivian creigh [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is not Fjord related but it is pony related and damn exciting Wonderful going! I was wondering...does anyone remember a grey pony, I think his name was Showman, who competed at the Grand Pre level years ago? Maybe in the 60's or 70's. He was another memorable guy who truly had wings on his heels. I remember he created quite a stir too, easily clearing 6'+ jumps. Sure was something to see. I can't find anything on the web about him. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Send...send...send...
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] OMG! Sooo sorry about the repeated sent messages about bit information. Rather a bit of overkill on the topic and a busy finger. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fwd: bit information
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi All: Congratulations to everyone with baby announcements and my condolences to those who have lost beloved friends. Wendy requested these links be forwarded to the list. They are for the Glory bits that were discussed last fall. One style has the butterfly, the other link has two types of driving bits, one with fixed cheeks, the other swivels. I have to admit I had no idea that horse tack was available on Amazon.com. I have also picked up a low port mullen w/ barrel bit made by Myler that seems to be well liked. Really nice bits that can be made with a variety of cheeks. http://www.toklat.com/myler/home.html -- Hi Wendy: Here are two links for Glory bits. One is for the Butterfly Glory and the second is for a driving bit. The Amazon link has two pages with two styles (pgs 13 and 14). http://www.drivingessentials.com/glory.htm http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_13/102-5811441-4429760?ie=UTF8me=A2ZCN192XJQMU2rh=n%3A3375251%2Cn%3A3375301%2Cp%5F4%3ACoronetpage=13 On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list...anyone remember the fjord riding/driving bit discussions from last fall? Can someone remind us of the special fjord bits that were mentioned and where to find them? thanks It may be spring in Montana...someday! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
bits
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Apr 26, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Fwd: bit information To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Hi All: Congratulations to everyone with baby announcements and my condolences to those who have lost beloved friends. Wendy requested these links be forwarded to the list. They are for the Glory bits that were discussed last fall. One style has the butterfly, the other link has two types of driving bits, one with fixed cheeks, the other swivels. I have to admit I had no idea that horse tack was available on Amazon.comhttp://amazon.com/. I have also picked up a low port mullen w/ barrel bit made by Myler that seems to be well liked. Really nice bits that can be made with a variety of cheeks. http://www.toklat.com/myler/home.html -- Hi Wendy: Here are two links for Glory bits. One is for the Butterfly Glory and the second is for a driving bit. The Amazon link has two pages with two styles (pgs 13 and 14). http://www.drivingessentials.com/glory.htm http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_13/102-5811441-4429760?ie=UTF8me=A2ZCN192XJQMU2rh=n%3A3375251%2Cn%3A3375301%2Cp%5F4%3ACoronetpage=13 On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list...anyone remember the fjord riding/driving bit discussions from last fall? Can someone remind us of the special fjord bits that were mentioned and where to find them? thanks It may be spring in Montana...someday! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: bit information
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Forwarded message -- From: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Apr 26, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Fwd: bit information To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com Hi All: Congratulations to everyone with baby announcements and my condolences to those who have lost beloved friends. Wendy requested these links be forwarded to the list. They are for the Glory bits that were discussed last fall. One style has the butterfly, the other link has two types of driving bits, one with fixed cheeks, the other swivels. I have to admit I had no idea that horse tack was available on Amazon.comhttp://amazon.com/. I have also picked up a low port mullen w/ barrel bit made by Myler that seems to be well liked. Really nice bits that can be made with a variety of cheeks. http://www.toklat.com/myler/home.html -- Hi Wendy: Here are two links for Glory bits. One is for the Butterfly Glory and the second is for a driving bit. The Amazon link has two pages with two styles (pgs 13 and 14). http://www.drivingessentials.com/glory.htm http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_13/102-5811441-4429760?ie=UTF8me=A2ZCN192XJQMU2rh=n%3A3375251%2Cn%3A3375301%2Cp%5F4%3ACoronetpage=13 On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list...anyone remember the fjord riding/driving bit discussions from last fall? Can someone remind us of the special fjord bits that were mentioned and where to find them? thanks It may be spring in Montana...someday! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
bits
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Apr 26, 2007 9:51 AM Subject: Fwd: bit information To: fjordhorse@angus.mystery.com (If this appears twice on the list, my apologies. I was having trouble getting it to send.) Hi All: Congratulations to everyone with baby announcements and my condolences to those who have lost beloved friends. Wendy requested these links be forwarded to the list. They are for the Glory bits that were discussed last fall. One style has the butterfly, the other link has two types of driving bits, one with fixed cheeks, the other swivels. I have to admit I had no idea that horse tack was available on Amazon.comhttp://amazon.com/. I have also picked up a low port mullen w/ barrel bit made by Myler that seems to be well liked. Really nice bits that can be made with a variety of cheeks. http://www.toklat.com/myler/home.html -- Hi Wendy: Here are two links for Glory bits. One is for the Butterfly Glory and the second is for a driving bit. The Amazon link has two pages with two styles (pgs 13 and 14). http://www.drivingessentials.com/glory.htm http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_13/102-5811441-4429760?ie=UTF8me=A2ZCN192XJQMU2rh=n%3A3375251%2Cn%3A3375301%2Cp%5F4%3ACoronetpage=13 On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list...anyone remember the fjord riding/driving bit discussions from last fall? Can someone remind us of the special fjord bits that were mentioned and where to find them? thanks It may be spring in Montana...someday! The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: bit information
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Wendy: Here are two links for Glory bits. One is for the Butterfly Glory and the second is for a driving bit. The Amazon link has two pages with two styles (pgs 13 and 14). http://www.drivingessentials.com/glory.htm http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=sr_pg_13/102-5811441-4429760?ie=UTF8me=A2ZCN192XJQMU2rh=n%3A3375251%2Cn%3A3375301%2Cp%5F4%3ACoronetpage=13 On 4/25/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello list...anyone remember the fjord riding/driving bit discussions from last fall? Can someone remind us of the special fjord bits that were mentioned and where to find them? thanks It may be spring in Montana...someday! ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: moles
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Our vermin patrol is also selective as to what gets consumed or not. I've heard deermice are bitter, but voles are very tasty. If they are skinned and deepfried, bones intact, they are rather like fried bats, especially if you have Schezshwan (sp) sauce on them. Deermice, shrews, and birds are rarely consumed by our crew, although they are commonly caught. Voles are the snack of choice around here. One of the cats, Curry, announces his find when he comes in, and the first one to him, gets the prize. He is very good about sharing. The cats (we have 7) and one of the Borders also get involved in cooperative hunting. One summer, they had surrounded a sagebrush, playing hacky sack with whatever they had caught, until Dozer (the Border) ate it. Then they all moved on to the next spot for their next victim. I am glad they are so active in hunting, as it really keeps the hay and feed so much cleaner. I don't know how the little beasties manage it, but no matter how tightly lids and bins are sealed, I still find one or two in the feed. Moving bales can be exciting when the critters scatter in all directions to hide and kitties scramble to catch them. We don't use any poisons or traps. On 4/16/07, Rose or Murph [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Rose or Murph [EMAIL PROTECTED] They must not taste good. My cat leaves them whole. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Hygear
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Steve: I have a request in also, to Texas AM to their feed nutrition specialist regarding the analysis of hygear. Still waiting for a reply but will forward to you ASAP. Lois Anne, MT On 3/8/07, Steve A White [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This message is from: Steve A White [EMAIL PROTECTED] Steve, I posted your question on the equine vet list and got a couple of replys. The real name is hegari but is pronounced hygear. One vet said they used to feed it when he was a kid in west TX. He didn't recall having any problems with it other than it turns the manure red. The other vet said he doesn't recommend it because it is related to sorghum and could cause soghum cystitis which is an inflammation ot the bladder. The nutritional value wasn't that great either. Doesn't sound like it is a good alternative to feed for horses. Hope this helps. Steve White, DVM Gretna, NE The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: ugly stages
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've been noticing how un-together my 3 year old gelding looks. I thought at 3 he'd be starting to come together, not fall apart worse!! Kate Fred ...who will stay mine even if he stays ugly, cuz he sure is sweet! hi Kate: Don't give up hope :) I'm sure Fred will come together in his own time and you will have a fine looking partner. I keep reading and hearing about everyone's advice to wait till Fjords are 3-5 years old before riding. Fred may be a late bloomer but I'm sure he'll be worth the wait. Sounds like the arena trip was a good experience for him to be exposed to. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: Barefoot Trimming
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Some of my horses have been OK for easier footing trail rides barefoot, but not when the sharp gravel starts showing up. Gail Hi Gail: I too am a proponent of going barefoot whenever possible. All three of my horses are barefoot now. Lana was very lame, when her shoes were first pulled, for several weeks until her hooves toughened up (and grew out a bit). Geier had no issues after his shoes were pulled. This was right after they came home. They both run, jump, buck with no problems. Now Sunny is a totally different story. He has never been shod in his 9 years. I have had him 5 years, and until I had the farrier come to pull Geier's shoes, Sunny had not even been trimmed. It really bothered me because I had never heard of or had a horse whose hooves were self maintaining. The farrier looked at them, trimmed a partial chip off one hind and called it good. He said Sunny's feet are wearing just fine, angle is good etc. Sunny has never been lame or sore and is very active. They are all on a dry lot that is partially exposed sandstone bedrock that wears the hooves down nicely. I have hopes that eventually Lana's and Geiers's hooves will become just as tough. It is my understanding that regular trimming for the first year after shoes have been pulled is needed if you intend to go barefoot long-term; more to help with shaping while the hoof relaxes into a natural form. -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
bits and pees
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] *My questions: would a kimberwicke be a milder bit than a twisted wire snaffle? Any other suggestions on other bit options? Torsten is used exclusive for trail/ring riding at the moment. Liz (in soggy western Washington) * Happy New Year all! Liz there was a discussion on the list several weeks ago about bits. The one that seemed to get the most positive comments was the Coronet Glory bit. I finally found a couple of places (Internet) that supply them, one of whom is Amazon.com (I didn't know they had a Tack Store!). I had been considering a mullen mouth for Geier but have decided to try the Glory instead. I've got one for the list though... I have had Lana now for about 4 months. One thing she does however, and I don't know if it is unusual behavior or not, that I think is kinda odd, probably because the boys don't do this, is whenever she sees me coming, Lana pees. It doesn't matter if I'm there just for a visit, for feeding, or whatever, every time she sees me coming, she goes to the potty pile, and pees. Then she comes right over to the gate to meet me, even shooing the boys away (and she is not bossy) until she gets her scratches. Should I be honored or insulted by such a greeting? Seriously, I don't know why Lana does this. She is 14 yo. Is it a residual foal behavior showing submission? She doesn't chew or anything. Lana's health is fine, water intake good, urine is clear and no discomfort apparent, so I don't think it is a health issue. And she's anestrus. I've asked a few people here, but it's a head scratcher. Any ideas? -- Lois Anne, Wayne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Fwd: fjordhorse-digest V2006 #280
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: funny ebay ad This message is from: Reena Giola [EMAIL PROTECTED] oh gosh Laurie, that is just too funny!! I read the ad the other night. Sure hope she sells her saddle!! Reena and Gus AZ Q: Hey, you made the Fjord Horse list. we over here generally have horses with big butts. however, should your 18 fit a woman AND a horse with a big butt, i might be interested. however, when you talk about the 17 being SNUG, i would imagine it would take a 21 or bigger for our ample asses (mind and my horse's). guess i will just have to go back to riding on an old VW back seat. laurie in minnesota Dec-06-06 A: I have nothing to say that's funnier than that. Hi All: I think I missed the ebay ad. Was there a link I missed? Could someone let me know where to view it? Any opportunity for humor is good. Thanks -- Lois Anne, Gallant Geier and the Lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2006 #259
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] You might also look at a book called Blessed are the Brood Mares I'm not positive but I think that has graphics as well. Blessed... has graphics, but they are of malpresentations. Checked the rest of my library, nada. Jean? Anything in your library? Sorry, but will look around... -- Lois Anne and the lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2006 #233
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is from: Robert Rosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] I recently offered my 2 cents re: Pacific Northwest Fjord promotional Group's(PNFPG) discussion of finally moving the Libby Show to a non-contaminated facility in Washington State. It appears that many person's health has seriously been affected by the conditions there. This message is from: Skeels, Mark A \(GE Healthcare\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] People still live there and quite well and healthy. Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 04:50:58 -0600 From: ruth bushnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: More Contamination News re: Libby MT The building industry thrives here, land value has quadrupled in the last four years, developers are grabbing up every scrap of land they can find, because most people take the time to read more than the headlines. Thank you Ruthie! Our town (Livingston) has it's share of environmental woes too (due to the railroad) with groundwater contamination but no one has suggested that the Livingston Roundup (a major stop on the national pro rodeo tour) be moved because of a preconcieved state of fear mentality. Thousands of people visit our town each year. Any place a person can pick to play or live has it's own unique potential hazard. By being informed and observing precautions about such hazards, we can still enjoy the things we like to do. Shoot, with the paranoid fear mentality on display, why on earth do we work with horses!? I have questioned why arena reservations were already in place when members weren't even asked. I can understand the need to jump on potential dates, but why the rush all of a sudden? What is wrong with discussing it first and plan a move, if that is what is agreed upon, for 2008? Or as has been suggested several times, keep Libby, and have an alternate date/location for another event? From what I have heard, not very many exhibitors participated in the NordicFest parade. Thousands of people attended the parade, yet I hear the stands were empty at the show. I thought the idea was to promote Fjords. How can folks be curious about something if they aren't shown it is even around? I have hesitated about becoming a member because of the voting issues. By-laws or no, any membership that accepts dues from an individual yet requires a physical presence to have their vote counted is cause for suspicion to me. If my absentee ballot won't be counted on important decisions affecting the whole group why should I be a part of it? To me it is the same as having a presidental election, but oh, by the way, you have to go to Washington, D.C to have your vote counted. Now I'll get off my soapbox and back to everyday Fjordie stuff. Alot of people have been talking about clipping, blanketing and dealing with drying coats. When I worked for the US Park Police in D.C. (lots of years ago!) we used to use Shop Vacs and blow driers on the horses. We never clipped them and unless it was the horse's first winter in our area, they were never blanketed. Believe me, it was tough getting 10-12 horses white glove ready for each shift, especially when they would come in the day before wet and dirty from the streets in snowy, sloppy weather. Without the Shop Vacs and dryers it would have taken all night... How many of you use electric clippers for manes and bodies now? How hard would it be to accustom your horse to being vacumed and blow dried? I know when the troopers' horses would come in cold, wet and tired they really enjoyed the attention and their suppers after... and rarely did any get sick or even colds. Most of the horses were ex-racehorses off the track with an occasional Quarter Horse tossed in, if they could do it, our tough Fjordies can! I also take exception to our Fjordies being called Ponies! Check out the full name: Norwegian Fjord Horse, and all variations thereof. Anybody hear pony in there? =D Yup, state of denial here, physical aspects irregardless, we like to think of them as horses. -- Lois Anne and the lovely Lana from Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand. The FjordHorse List archives can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/rcepw
Re: fjordhorse-digest V2006 #212
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH CHOCOLATE AT THE LIBBY SHOW SITE THIS YEAR!!!. Fred, we should all get together for a really big group hug! HUH??? The above looks like displacement behavior. What does chocolate have to do with resolving the issues at hand? -- Lois Anne, Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand.
Ole and Fjordfest
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] Anytime any fans of Ole and Lena want a joke, just holler. We have a whole book of them. :D Fjordfest photos are wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing them with us! -- Lois Anne, Montana Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand.
Greetings from Montana!
This message is from: Lois Anne Starr [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** *Hi All:* *Just finalized purchase of a 14 yo mare who will be alot easier on the bones than my present Appy/Arab, who is good natured enough but my injured back can't take his shenanegans at this time. I am looking forward to getting to know my new girl and having nice quiet rides/drives on our place and around the state. Even though I still need a block to get on, at least it's not quite so high. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of info (looking for history, significant bloodlines and various breeder's contributions, etc.), about Fjords on the net. Anyone know of some good sites? I found a few... and if you don't hear from me I will probably be a lurker too. Thanks, ciao.* *Lois Anne* *Montana * -- Tell me, and I'll probably forget. Show me, and I will remember, Involve me, and I will understand.
