Re: [flexcoders] It's Time to Flex My Zorn: Flex 2.0 Flex Builder 2
On 11/13/05, Robert Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought it was a great article also. 2 points: 1. I hope Adobe makes Macromedia a division rather than, as the article says, Soon to become Adobe. Adobe is a great brand name, but for some different reasons. Macromedia, since the maturation of Dreamweaver 8 especially, has become also a great brand name for slightly different reasons; of course Flash attributes to this also. Not sure, i can't see Adobe giving away its powerful brand (which shadows Macromedia in terms of door knock appeal) in way of a mutated branding situation... interesting though to see what could come of it all. 2. One big element missing in all discussions, is the need to make Flash more compatible with Search engines. I know there are a few search engines that index flash content; but not well. And meta-tags don't go over well with Google. I've resorted to text after a flash file that is colored, not in the page background, but in the table background, to make sure it's indexed w/ the flash; and an ISAPI Rewrite solution to ensure hierarchical product pages even though the products appear w/in the page itself. From memory Google are actively working on it now, i seem to recall that Google was looking into metadata capabilities for flash based sites. Only downfall overall is that deep linking will need to be in place or some kind of approach. There are number of ways to handle this, but more importantly one has to question whether they are building a RIA or Website + Flash? ie which part is content and which is housing type setup... I also liked the articles comments on Gates; I've followed MS both as a sort of worshiper and now a detractor (for my own very good reasons) for nearly 20 years and I can tell you, his title of Chief Software Architect is an absolute joke. With the exception of the design of the late 80's Windows Messaging (meaning GUI messaging) architecture which was a well thought out economy of scale solution oriented towards accomplishing a GUI on DOS, I can't think of one solution, not one, that was either innovative or original. He's a business man of the Tom Delay sort, period...one of those By all means necessary guys, and that has nothing to do with creativity. Real bulldogs are far more attractive than a soul like that, hiding really an insecure desperation more than anything. In all honesty, i don't mind ol bill.That being said, he's more of a MS Evangalist then anything else, and when he said focus on user experience, i don't look at that as what Bill in person says but more of what Microsoft is looking at with a large degree of focus. User Experience is as my article was hinting at, very important. Its not just about timelines and budget constraints, its also is now shaping up to be a decent point of difference, if software is getting much more powerful these days, that means power needs to be dumbed down so thats where FLEX comes into the overall equation.. simplify the application, don't give a user 100% of an application if all they ever use is 10%? with FLEX you stand a great position in terms of breaking your UI up into portions thus having a progressive UI. Its the HTML Web App dream but none of the pain and all of the eye candy (halo built in does a great enough job to capture things like preloading and what not). Anyway, my word quota has been reached for the day and *cracks whip* back to work :) Great article. -r Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehe thanks.. i actually read the GMAIL subject and went hey, where have i seen that subject line before and then it dawned on me where from hehe. It was written pre-Zorn/Labs bombshell so its a bit off ;) On 11/12/05, Tariq Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's Time to Flex My Zorn: Flex 2.0 Flex Builder 2 Flex 2.0 will change the web development sphere forever http://au.sys-con.com/read/142730.htm Very nice article Mr Barnes! -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group flexcoders on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. -- Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.mossyblog.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you
Re: [flexcoders] It's Time to Flex My Zorn: Flex 2.0 Flex Builder 2
I thought it was a great article also. 2 points: 1. I hope Adobe makes Macromedia a division rather than, as the article says, "Soon to become Adobe". Adobe is a great brand name, but for some different reasons. Macromedia, since the maturation of Dreamweaver 8 especially, has become also a great brand name for slightly different reasons; of course Flash attributes to this also. 2. One big element missing in all discussions, is the need to make Flash more compatible with Search engines. I know there are a few search engines that index flash content; but not well. And meta-tags don't go over well with Google. I've resorted to text after a flash file that is colored, not in the page background, but in the table background, to make sure it's indexed w/ the flash; and an ISAPI Rewrite solution to ensure hierarchical product pages even though the products appear w/in the page itself. I also liked the articles comments on Gates; I've followed MS both as a sort of "worshiper" and now a "detractor" (for my own very good reasons) for nearly 20 years and I can tell you, his title of "Chief Software Architect" is an absolute joke. With the exception of the design of the late 80's Windows Messaging (meaning GUI messaging) architecture which was a well thought out "economy of scale" solution oriented towards accomplishing a GUI on DOS, I can't think of one solution, not one, that was either innovative or original. He's a business man of the Tom Delay sort, period...one of those "By all means necessary" guys, and that has nothing to do with creativity. Real bulldogs are far more attractive than a soul like that, hiding really an insecure desperation more than anything. Great article. -r Scott Barnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehehethanks.. i actually read the GMAIL subject and went "hey, where have i seen that subject line before" and then it dawned on me where from hehe.It was written pre-Zorn/Labs bombshell so its a bit off ;) On 11/12/05, Tariq Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's Time to Flex My Zorn: Flex 2.0 Flex Builder 2Flex 2.0 will change the web development sphere forever http://au.sys-con.com/read/142730.htmVery nice article Mr Barnes! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/nhFolB/TM~- --Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Regards,Scott Barneshttp://www.mossyblog.com Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
RE: [flexcoders] It's Time to Flex My Zorn: Flex 2.0 Flex Builder 2
I just had some training in FLEX and would agree that it is a sweet system for building data aware UIs. My only issue with the FLEX systemis that programmers are not UI experts, andprobablynever willbe. It's a stretch to think the majority of developers will suddenly take an interest in UI design when they havesafely ignored it for decades. Their job has always been to "make it work". If FLEX has a clean model for skinning (I haven't explored this) then perhaps it will faciliate more conversations between designers and developers. If I were an optimist I would imagine that FLEX would create a more user-centric breed of programmers. Speaking for myself,FLEX's proliferationcreates a huge opportunity for designer/developer mutants from the Flash world. :-) - - - - - - - - - - - - Tim Beynart Athens, GA, USA - - - - - - - - - - - - -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com SPONSORED LINKS Web site design development Computer software development Software design and development Macromedia flex Software development best practice YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [flexcoders] It's Time to Flex My Zorn: Flex 2.0 Flex Builder 2
hehehe thanks.. i actually read the GMAIL subject and went hey, where have i seen that subject line before and then it dawned on me where from hehe. It was written pre-Zorn/Labs bombshell so its a bit off ;)On 11/12/05, Tariq Ahmed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's Time to Flex My Zorn: Flex 2.0 Flex Builder 2Flex 2.0 will change the web development sphere forever http://au.sys-con.com/read/142730.htmVery nice article Mr Barnes! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life.http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/nhFolB/TM~- --Flexcoders Mailing ListFAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txtSearch Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.comYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/-- Regards,Scott Barneshttp://www.mossyblog.com -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "flexcoders" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[flexcoders] It's Time to Flex My Zorn: Flex 2.0 Flex Builder 2
It's Time to Flex My Zorn: Flex 2.0 Flex Builder 2 Flex 2.0 will change the web development sphere forever http://au.sys-con.com/read/142730.htm Very nice article Mr Barnes! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get Bzzzy! (real tools to help you find a job). Welcome to the Sweet Life. http://us.click.yahoo.com/A77XvD/vlQLAA/TtwFAA/nhFolB/TM ~- -- Flexcoders Mailing List FAQ: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/files/flexcodersFAQ.txt Search Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/flexcoders%40yahoogroups.com Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/flexcoders/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
