Re: [Flexradio] Powerpoles My apologies

2013-03-19 Thread bill

Guess my sense of humor isn't as good as I thought.

I sort of expectedthat I'd get a laugh out of 'melting the plastic' 
and 'burning my fingers on the hot soldered spades'.


Guess the XYL is right about: your not funny, just stupid.

Now back to my room!

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Re: [Flexradio] Powerpoles My apologies

2013-03-19 Thread Michael Blake
Bill, I had wondered if that was subtle humor:) I am laughing now, at myself. 

Mike 
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 Guess my sense of humor isn't as good as I thought.
 
 I sort of expectedthat I'd get a laugh out of 'melting the plastic' and 
 'burning my fingers on the hot soldered spades'.
 
 Guess the XYL is right about: your not funny, just stupid.
 
 Now back to my room!
 
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[Flexradio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Ed Wilson
Colleagues,


I recently decided to clean-up the wiring in my shack (and to prepare for 
arrival of my Flex-6700) by ordering a West Mountain Radio RigRunner that uses 
Powerpole connectors. In advance of receiving the unit, I was wondering if 
anyone using a Flex-3000 or Flex-5000 has crimped both AWG 12 lines onto a 
single 45 amp Powerpole connector, which is apparently designed to hold up to 
AWG 10 wire? Two AWG 12 wires together are somewhat larger than AWG 10 wire. 
The alternative, of course, is to crimp a connector onto each of the four power 
lines, but this uses-up extra connections on the RigRunner.

Also, does anyone know if the Flex-6700 is supplied with a single AWG 10 power 
line or does it use parallel AWG 12 lines like the Flex-5000 and Flex-3000?


Thanks in advance!

Ed, K0KC
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Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Greg
I think Gerald recently said it comes with a 10AWG power cable.

73
Greg


On 3/18/13, Ed Wilson ed.wil...@ymail.com wrote:
 Colleagues,


 I recently decided to clean-up the wiring in my shack (and to prepare for
 arrival of my Flex-6700) by ordering a West Mountain Radio RigRunner that
 uses Powerpole connectors. In advance of receiving the unit, I was wondering
 if anyone using a Flex-3000 or Flex-5000 has crimped both AWG 12 lines onto
 a single 45 amp Powerpole connector, which is apparently designed to hold up
 to AWG 10 wire? Two AWG 12 wires together are somewhat larger than AWG 10
 wire. The alternative, of course, is to crimp a connector onto each of the
 four power lines, but this uses-up extra connections on the RigRunner.

 Also, does anyone know if the Flex-6700 is supplied with a single AWG 10
 power line or does it use parallel AWG 12 lines like the Flex-5000 and
 Flex-3000?


 Thanks in advance!

 Ed, K0KC


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Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Ed Wilson
Thanks, Greg!

Ed, K0KC





 From: Greg a...@cablespeed.com
To: flexra...@yahoogroups.com 
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz flexradio@flex-radio.biz 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles
 
I think Gerald recently said it comes with a 10AWG power cable.

73
Greg


On 3/18/13, Ed Wilson ed.wil...@ymail.com wrote:
 Colleagues,


 I recently decided to clean-up the wiring in my shack (and to prepare for
 arrival of my Flex-6700) by ordering a West Mountain Radio RigRunner that
 uses Powerpole connectors. In advance of receiving the unit, I was wondering
 if anyone using a Flex-3000 or Flex-5000 has crimped both AWG 12 lines onto
 a single 45 amp Powerpole connector, which is apparently designed to hold up
 to AWG 10 wire? Two AWG 12 wires together are somewhat larger than AWG 10
 wire. The alternative, of course, is to crimp a connector onto each of the
 four power lines, but this uses-up extra connections on the RigRunner.

 Also, does anyone know if the Flex-6700 is supplied with a single AWG 10
 power line or does it use parallel AWG 12 lines like the Flex-5000 and
 Flex-3000?


 Thanks in advance!

 Ed, K0KC


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Re: [Flexradio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Bret Mills
I have been thinking on this for the last week as I am also going to change
out stuff to all Power Poles.

What I see as a possible problem is on the Rig Runner are the Power Poles
45Amp or are they the thinner 30 or even 15 amp connectors?

Looking at my BIG Rig Runner 8012 ALL the contacts look a lot thinner metal
then are my 45 Amp contacts I have.

 I just pulled my RIG Runner apart and pulled a connector off and it looks
like they are JUST 30 AMP. Contacts.

SO for MYSELF I will NOT be using just one 45AMP Power pole but Rather two
30's instead on the Radio End unless I get a bug and try to modify my Rig
Runner and replace the smaller Amperage contacts with a KNOWN value contact.


73's
Bret
WX7Y



On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Ed Wilson ed.wil...@ymail.com wrote:

 Colleagues,


 I recently decided to clean-up the wiring in my shack (and to prepare for
 arrival of my Flex-6700) by ordering a West Mountain Radio RigRunner that
 uses Powerpole connectors. In advance of receiving the unit, I was
 wondering if anyone using a Flex-3000 or Flex-5000 has crimped both AWG 12
 lines onto a single 45 amp Powerpole connector, which is apparently
 designed to hold up to AWG 10 wire? Two AWG 12 wires together are somewhat
 larger than AWG 10 wire. The alternative, of course, is to crimp a
 connector onto each of the four power lines, but this uses-up extra
 connections on the RigRunner.

 Also, does anyone know if the Flex-6700 is supplied with a single AWG 10
 power line or does it use parallel AWG 12 lines like the Flex-5000 and
 Flex-3000?


 Thanks in advance!

 Ed, K0KC
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Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread John Molenda
So we should use 40 amp powerpoles with the 10 gauge line .  Is this 
correct ?  thanksJohn kb2huk

On 3/18/2013 2:22 PM, Ed Wilson wrote:


Thanks, Greg!

Ed, K0KC


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Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles

I think Gerald recently said it comes with a 10AWG power cable.

73
Greg

On 3/18/13, Ed Wilson ed.wil...@ymail.com 
mailto:ed.wilson%40ymail.com wrote:

 Colleagues,


 I recently decided to clean-up the wiring in my shack (and to 
prepare for
 arrival of my Flex-6700) by ordering a West Mountain Radio RigRunner 
that
 uses Powerpole connectors. In advance of receiving the unit, I was 
wondering
 if anyone using a Flex-3000 or Flex-5000 has crimped both AWG 12 
lines onto
 a single 45 amp Powerpole connector, which is apparently designed to 
hold up
 to AWG 10 wire? Two AWG 12 wires together are somewhat larger than 
AWG 10
 wire. The alternative, of course, is to crimp a connector onto each 
of the

 four power lines, but this uses-up extra connections on the RigRunner.

 Also, does anyone know if the Flex-6700 is supplied with a single AWG 10
 power line or does it use parallel AWG 12 lines like the Flex-5000 and
 Flex-3000?


 Thanks in advance!

 Ed, K0KC


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Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Ed Wilson
According to the West Mountain Radio crimp manual, 15, 30, and 45 amp contacts 
all have the same contact area and the only difference is the wire sizes that 
they will accept.

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So we should use 40 amp powerpoles with the 10 gauge line .  Is this 
correct ?  thanksJohn kb2huk
On 3/18/2013 2:22 PM, Ed Wilson wrote:

 Thanks, Greg!

 Ed, K0KC

 
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 Subject: Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles

 I think Gerald recently said it comes with a 10AWG power cable.

 73
 Greg

 On 3/18/13, Ed Wilson ed.wil...@ymail.com 
 mailto:ed.wilson%40ymail.com wrote:
  Colleagues,
 
 
  I recently decided to clean-up the wiring in my shack (and to 
 prepare for
  arrival of my Flex-6700) by ordering a West Mountain Radio RigRunner 
 that
  uses Powerpole connectors. In advance of receiving the unit, I was 
 wondering
  if anyone using a Flex-3000 or Flex-5000 has crimped both AWG 12 
 lines onto
  a single 45 amp Powerpole connector, which is apparently designed to 
 hold up
  to AWG 10 wire? Two AWG 12 wires together are somewhat larger than 
 AWG 10
  wire. The alternative, of course, is to crimp a connector onto each 
 of the
  four power lines, but this uses-up extra connections on the RigRunner.
 
  Also, does anyone know if the Flex-6700 is supplied with a single AWG 10
  power line or does it use parallel AWG 12 lines like the Flex-5000 and
  Flex-3000?
 
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
  Ed, K0KC
 
 
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Re: [Flexradio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Steve Sterling
That doesn't make any sense-- the actual contact portion of the Power 
Pole lug is the same on the 15, 30  45 amp versions. The only 
substantive difference is the size of wire that can crimped in.  A 15 
amp lug can carry 45 amps if you can attach a suitable wire to it. 
Obviously, it's best to use the correct lug for your wire size, but you 
don't need to worry about the current carrying capability of the lug itself.


If you see differences in the contact portion of the lug in either the 
width, length or thickness of the contact area, is there a chance you 
got a Chinese knockoff?


Steve WA7DUH

On 3/18/2013 11:54 AM, Bret Mills wrote:

I have been thinking on this for the last week as I am also going to change
out stuff to all Power Poles.

What I see as a possible problem is on the Rig Runner are the Power Poles
45Amp or are they the thinner 30 or even 15 amp connectors?

Looking at my BIG Rig Runner 8012 ALL the contacts look a lot thinner metal
then are my 45 Amp contacts I have.

  I just pulled my RIG Runner apart and pulled a connector off and it looks
like they are JUST 30 AMP. Contacts.

SO for MYSELF I will NOT be using just one 45AMP Power pole but Rather two
30's instead on the Radio End unless I get a bug and try to modify my Rig
Runner and replace the smaller Amperage contacts with a KNOWN value contact.


73's
Bret
WX7Y





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Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Ray, K9DUR
Ed,

That is correct.  I have used all 3 sizes  keep a stock of each size in my 
connector kit.

The ONLY difference is the size of the end where the wire is inserted.  You 
really should use the proper size contact for the wire size you are using to 
ensure proper crimping.

Trying to cram too large a wire in too small a contact will result in some 
strands being cut off, resulting in a reduction in cross-sectional area  
reduced current handling capacity.  It will also reduce the effectiveness of 
the crimp.  

Trying to crimp too small a wire into too large a contact will result in an 
inadequate crimp with a higher contact resistance between the wire  the 
contact.  You can actually pull a 16 gauge wire out of a 30-Amp contact with 
little effort.  (I know this from experience.)

As for using a RigRunner, I have taken mine out of line  run the power cable 
for my FLEX-5000A directly to the power supply.  I found that I had a voltage 
drop of approximately 1 Volt or more during transmit when running through the 
RigRunner.  The Rigrunner adds a total of 8 pressure connections in the circuit 
to your device -- 2 PowerPole connections in the negative lead  2 PowerPole 
connections plus 4 fuse connections (2 fuses w/2 connections each) in the 
positive lead.  These 8 additional connections add about .05 Ohm of contact 
resistance to yield a 1 volt drop at ~20 Amps.

73, Ray, K9DUR
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Re: [Flexradio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Tim McDonough N9PUZ
A Powerpole is not a Powerpole. There are many different styles of 
contacts in the PP14-45 series. They all interconnect, they do not all 
have the same ratings, retention force, etc.


You can download a manufacturer's specification sheet here:

http://www.andersonpower.com/products/singlepole-connectors.html

The real issue before answering the original question is 'what PCB 
contact does West Mountain use in your model of RigRunner?' If you look 
at the spec sheet there are PCB mount terminals rated at both 25A and 45A.


Tim N9PUZ


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Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Ed Wilson
Thanks for the info, Ray...that is quite a voltage drop!

Ed, K0KC





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To: 'Ed Wilson' ed.wil...@ymail.com; flexra...@yahoogroups.com 
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles
 
Ed,

That is correct.  I have used all 3 sizes  keep a stock of each size in my 
connector kit.

The ONLY difference is the size of the end where the wire is inserted.  You 
really should use the proper size contact for the wire size you are using to 
ensure proper crimping.

Trying to cram too large a wire in too small a contact will result in some 
strands being cut off, resulting in a reduction in cross-sectional area  
reduced current handling capacity.  It will also reduce the effectiveness of 
the crimp.  

Trying to crimp too small a wire into too large a contact will result in an 
inadequate crimp with a higher contact resistance between the wire  the 
contact.  You can actually pull a 16 gauge wire out of a 30-Amp contact with 
little effort.  (I know this from experience.)

As for using a RigRunner, I have taken mine out of line  run the power cable 
for my FLEX-5000A directly to the power supply.  I found that I had a voltage 
drop of approximately 1 Volt or more during transmit when running through the 
RigRunner.  The Rigrunner adds a total of 8 pressure connections in the circuit 
to your device -- 2 PowerPole connections in the negative lead  2 PowerPole 
connections plus 4 fuse connections (2 fuses w/2 connections each) in the 
positive lead.  These 8 additional connections add about .05 Ohm of contact 
resistance to yield a 1 volt drop at ~20 Amps.

73, Ray, K9DUR
http://k9dur.info
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Re: [Flexradio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Ed Wilson
Thanks for the info, Tim...I will check into the RigRunner data sheet to see if 
this is specified.

Ed, K0KC





 From: Tim McDonough N9PUZ tim.n9...@gmail.com
To: flexradio@flex-radio.biz 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 5:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Flexradio] Powerpoles
 
A Powerpole is not a Powerpole. There are many different styles of contacts in 
the PP14-45 series. They all interconnect, they do not all have the same 
ratings, retention force, etc.

You can download a manufacturer's specification sheet here:

http://www.andersonpower.com/products/singlepole-connectors.html

The real issue before answering the original question is 'what PCB contact does 
West Mountain use in your model of RigRunner?' If you look at the spec sheet 
there are PCB mount terminals rated at both 25A and 45A.

Tim N9PUZ


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Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Steve Nance
I had the same experience as Ray and avoid the Power Pole junction blocks
for moderate to heavy current demands.

73, Steve K5FR

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Subject: Re: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles

Thanks for the info, Ray...that is quite a voltage drop!

Ed, K0KC





 From: Ray, K9DUR k9...@rnacs.com
To: 'Ed Wilson' ed.wil...@ymail.com; flexra...@yahoogroups.com 
Cc: flexradio@flex-radio.biz 
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2013 4:35 PM
Subject: RE: [Flexradio] [FlexRadio] Powerpoles
 
Ed,

That is correct.  I have used all 3 sizes  keep a stock of each size in my
connector kit.

The ONLY difference is the size of the end where the wire is inserted.  You
really should use the proper size contact for the wire size you are using to
ensure proper crimping.

Trying to cram too large a wire in too small a contact will result in some
strands being cut off, resulting in a reduction in cross-sectional area 
reduced current handling capacity.  It will also reduce the effectiveness of
the crimp.  

Trying to crimp too small a wire into too large a contact will result in an
inadequate crimp with a higher contact resistance between the wire  the
contact.  You can actually pull a 16 gauge wire out of a 30-Amp contact with
little effort.  (I know this from experience.)

As for using a RigRunner, I have taken mine out of line  run the power
cable for my FLEX-5000A directly to the power supply.  I found that I had a
voltage drop of approximately 1 Volt or more during transmit when running
through the RigRunner.  The Rigrunner adds a total of 8 pressure connections
in the circuit to your device -- 2 PowerPole connections in the negative
lead  2 PowerPole connections plus 4 fuse connections (2 fuses w/2
connections each) in the positive lead.  These 8 additional connections add
about .05 Ohm of contact resistance to yield a 1 volt drop at ~20 Amps.

73, Ray, K9DUR
http://k9dur.info
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Re: [Flexradio] Powerpoles

2013-03-18 Thread Brian Lloyd
On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 1:54 PM, Bret Mills bmi...@ecso.com wrote:

 I have been thinking on this for the last week as I am also going to change
 out stuff to all Power Poles.


I have converted ALL my 12V devices to use powerpoles. I'm very happy I
did. It is so nice to be able to just plug things in and use them.

Even my motorcycle uses powerpoles for connecting the battery charger and I
have a small Rigrunner in my tank bag to plug in all my accessories, e.g
cell phone charger, RADAR detector, 2m HT, GPS, etc.

-- 
Brian Lloyd, WB6RQN/J79BPL
3191 Western Dr.
Cameron Park, CA 95682
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+1.767.617.1365 (Dominica)
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