re: [Flightgear-devel] [BUG] JSBSim: sudden plane crashes

2002-03-02 Thread David Megginson

Melchior FRANZ writes:

  This can reliably be reproduced as follows: Start the c310
  (fgfs --aircraft=c310) and climb at, let's say, 1000 ft, then
  abruptly push the stick forward (pitch down; Elevator Cmd = 1).
  JSBout310.csv shows extreme and extremely alternating values for
  forces and acceleration.

Yes, I can reproduce this as well.  Of course, you shouldn't push the
stick all the way forward like that during normal flight, but the
program still shouldn't crash  I wonder if this still happens with the
engine turned off.


All the best,


David

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [BUG] JSBSim: sudden plane crashes

2002-03-02 Thread Jon S. Berndt

This is very likely the propeller for the C310 causing problems. My computer
should be repaired by the middle of this coming week, so I'll once again be
able to test things out. :-)

I may be able to build a script that reproduces it, though, in which case I
may get to it sooner.

Jon

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Subject: re: [Flightgear-devel] [BUG] JSBSim: sudden plane crashes


 Melchior FRANZ writes:

   This can reliably be reproduced as follows: Start the c310
   (fgfs --aircraft=c310) and climb at, let's say, 1000 ft, then
   abruptly push the stick forward (pitch down; Elevator Cmd = 1).
   JSBout310.csv shows extreme and extremely alternating values for
   forces and acceleration.

 Yes, I can reproduce this as well.  Of course, you shouldn't push the
 stick all the way forward like that during normal flight, but the
 program still shouldn't crash  I wonder if this still happens with the
 engine turned off.


 All the best,


 David

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re: [Flightgear-devel] [BUG] JSBSim: sudden plane crashes

2002-02-12 Thread David Megginson

Melchior FRANZ writes:

  This can reliably be reproduced as follows: Start the c310
  (fgfs --aircraft=c310) and climb at, let's say, 1000 ft, then
  abruptly push the stick forward (pitch down; Elevator Cmd = 1).
  JSBout310.csv shows extreme and extremely alternating values for
  forces and acceleration.

I believe that these are lingering problems with the propeller models.


All the best,


David

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re: [Flightgear-devel] [BUG] JSBSim: sudden plane crashes

2002-02-12 Thread jsb

 Melchior FRANZ writes:
 
   This can reliably be reproduced as follows: Start the c310
   (fgfs --aircraft=c310) and climb at, let's say, 1000 ft, then
   abruptly push the stick forward (pitch down; Elevator Cmd = 1).
   JSBout310.csv shows extreme and extremely alternating values for
   forces and acceleration.
 
 I believe that these are lingering problems with the propeller models.

Is this still present with the newer JSBSim code/files? Strange. It's hard to 
picture why, when everything has been at equilibrium for a while, why the 
propeller should suddenly spin out of control.

Jon



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re: [Flightgear-devel] [BUG] JSBSim: sudden plane crashes

2002-02-12 Thread Jim Wilson

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  I believe that these are lingering problems with the propeller models.
 
 Is this still present with the newer JSBSim code/files? Strange. It's hard to 
 picture why, when everything has been at equilibrium for a while, why the 
 propeller should suddenly spin out of control.
 
 Jon

I think it's usually after some sort of event...haven't seen this in normal
flight myself.  When seeing it mostly I just wrote it off to the model being
unusually difficult to get out of a stall or spin,  but pushing the nose down
suddenly does seem to break it here as well.

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