[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: SimGear/simgear/math .cvsignore, 1.1.1.1, 1.2 SGGeoc.hxx, 1.2, 1.3 SGGeod.hxx, 1.2, 1.3 SGGeodesy.cxx, 1.3, 1.4 SGGeodesy.hxx, 1.2, 1.3

2006-02-21 Thread Frederic Bouvier
 Modified Files:
   .cvsignore SGGeoc.hxx SGGeod.hxx SGGeodesy.cxx SGGeodesy.hxx
 Log Message:
 Melchior FRANZ:

...

 RCS file: /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/SimGear/simgear/math/SGGeodesy.hxx,v
 retrieving revision 1.2
 retrieving revision 1.3
 diff -C2 -r1.2 -r1.3
 *** SGGeodesy.hxx 20 Feb 2006 15:12:13 -  1.2
 --- SGGeodesy.hxx 21 Feb 2006 09:40:13 -  1.3
 ***
 *** 29,36 
   public:
 // Hard numbers from the WGS84 standard.
 !   static const double EQURAD;
 !   static const double iFLATTENING;
 !   static const double SQUASH;
 !   static const double STRETCH;
 static const double POLRAD;

 --- 29,35 
   public:
 // Hard numbers from the WGS84 standard.
 ! // You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
 ! // along with this program; if not, write to the Free Software
 ! // Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin Street, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA
 02110-1301, USA.
 static const double POLRAD;


Melchior, it seems your FSF script has a flaw. It ditched lines of codes and put
that sentence in the middle of the class.

-Fred


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: SimGear/simgear/math .cvsignore, [...]

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Frederic Bouvier -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 11:05:
 Melchior, it seems your FSF script has a flaw. It ditched lines of codes and 
 put
 that sentence in the middle of the class.

It wasn't a script. It was all hand-made and verified multiple
times. The patch was correct. Only: it had no context lines (my
fault), and Erik installed it over files with uncommitted changes,
and committed it in one go. Now everything is broken and I'm
waiting for instructions how to help fix it. Ideally, all would
get backed out and uncommitted code committed first, then a new
patch (with context) applied again. Currently most of SG is
a big mess.

m.


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Simgear-cvslogs] CVS: SimGear/simgear/math .cvsignore, [...]

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 11:11:
 It wasn't a script. It was all hand-made and verified multiple
 times. The patch was correct. Only: it had no context lines (my
 fault), and Erik installed it over files with uncommitted changes,
 and committed it in one go.

But, no. This doesn't explain it. The context lines are only there
to allow cvs to resolve minor conflicts *automatically*. But there
should still conflicts have been reported while committing. After all,
the '-' line has to match at exactly the right line number, to
be replaced by the '+' line. So I change my mind: it can't have been
my fault. Hmmm ...

m.


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[Flightgear-devel] Resigning as patch committer.

2006-02-21 Thread Erik Hofman


Hi,

I have finally made the decision not to commit any patches from others 
anymore. I think I've done my time over the last few years but this 
accident this morning alone has cost me more than half a day.


I need to spent my time on more important work.

Regards,

Erik

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] pa24-250 update and some questions

2006-02-21 Thread David Megginson
On 18/02/06, Dave Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 2.  At manifold pressures below 20 in hg, the AC has much too much power
 compared to the real AC.  I normally use 16 in of manifold pressure in
 procedure turns and then with the gear down and 15 deg. of flaps, the
 descent and airspeed fall in place at the outer marker.  I can't even
 carry 10 in MP in the model in an approach.

Part of the problem, I think, is that you've specified an
unrealistically high performance in the approach section of the
YASim config file.  A 16 degree angle of attack is basically at the
stall, so the airspeed shouldn't be 71 knots.  Start with something
like 14 degrees and 55 knots, then play around until both landing
performance and in-air stalls are realistic.  Remember that the
aircraft model is specified a fair bit below maximum gross weight, so
the stall speed should be slower than the published one.

 3.  A likely related issues is that with the prop all the way forward,
 the RPM stays high at 85 mph and no throttle as I flare out.  In the
 real AC, the engine cannot keep the prop at high RPM in this situation.
 This makes taxiing require a lot of braking or you can pull the prop
 back, again not real.  Any suggestions form others using yasim with a
 constant speed prop.

Fixing the approach section might help that.


All the best,


David

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Resigning as patch committer.

2006-02-21 Thread Mathias Fröhlich

Hi Erik,

On Tuesday 21 February 2006 13:20, Erik Hofman wrote:
 I have finally made the decision not to commit any patches from others
 anymore. I think I've done my time over the last few years but this
 accident this morning alone has cost me more than half a day.
Thanks for all your work!

Greetings

Mathias

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Resigning as patch committer.

2006-02-21 Thread Vassilii Khachaturov
Dear Erik,

thank you for your long duty as the patch integrator. You have been doing
a great job!

Vassilii



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[Flightgear-devel] Re: Resigning as patch committer.

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Erik Hofman -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 13:20:
 I have finally made the decision not to commit any patches from others 
 anymore. I think I've done my time over the last few years but this 
 accident this morning alone has cost me more than half a day.

Sorry to hear that. I'm aware that you had to carry the main load
of committing patch contributions.



On the other hand, I do now feel the need to defend myself, because
it may appear as if it was my fault. It was not.

1. I didn't want to make this FSF address patch at all, but was
   encouraged. (When I explained why I wouldn't do it, I only got
   a Bah., as in: weak excuse!. So I made and submitted it anyway.)

2. The patch was well tested  against a clean SG/CVS/HEAD. It is
   correct as you can see here in the originally submitted file:
   http://members.aon.at/mfranz/simgear.diff.gz  [7.8 kB]
   I tried it again right now and it applied cleanly *and* correctly,
   as did reverting it.  ($ zcat simgear.diff.gz|patch -R -p0)

3. I don't see how reverting two patches takes more than a half
   day. Actually, I'd be surprised if it took more than half an
   hour. I'd give it no more than 10 minutes. Unless, of course,
   cvs or patch has a bug that doesn't allow it.

I can't, however, imagine that Erik made a mistake. It looks very
much like a cvs or patch bug. Nothing in the patch justifies
the outcome. Not even if it had been applied wrongly (which it
hardly was -- Erik isn't a cvs beginner).

m.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Resigning as patch committer.

2006-02-21 Thread Erik Hofman

Melchior FRANZ wrote:


On the other hand, I do now feel the need to defend myself, because
it may appear as if it was my fault. It was not.


I didn't say that and I didn't mean to.
It was just the wrong time.

Erik

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[Flightgear-devel] Re: Resigning as patch committer.

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Erik Hofman -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 15:42:
 Melchior FRANZ wrote:
  On the other hand, I do now feel the need to defend myself, because
  it may appear as if it was my fault. It was not.
 
 I didn't say that and I didn't mean to.

Yes, thanks. However, the audience here proably thinks that.  ;-)

m.


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[Flightgear-devel] [Fwd: Simulation show in Paris]

2006-02-21 Thread Curtis L. Olson
I wanted to pass the attached message along to our European FlightGear 
developers.


This looks like it will be a really neat event.  I imagine it will be 
worth attending just to see the museum exhibits.  It appears there is a 
cost to host a booth, but if we have any developers that can commit to 
attending this show and hosting a booth, I would be happy to see if I 
could help work something out.  Worst case scenario, maybe we could get 
a few people to pitch in to cover the costs of a booth.


If anyone is interested in helping out, please let me know.

Best regards,

Curt.

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Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d

---BeginMessage---

Hi Curt,

Next june there will be a simulation
show in France at Le Bourget airport near Paris. 

http://www.dmartias.fr/mondial/

It will be held at the Air  Space
Museum. It will be like the FS week-end done each year in the Netherlands
(http://www.fsweekend.com/uk/index.htm).
If you know a french, or european, group
addicted enough to present FGFS during 3 days, give them the info. 
I will be there myself but I will present
X-Plane. It would be nice to be able to see other simulators, not only
FS2004.

Daniel
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Resigning as patch committer.

2006-02-21 Thread Durk Talsma
On Tuesday 21 February 2006 13:20, Erik Hofman wrote:
 Hi,

 I have finally made the decision not to commit any patches from others
 anymore. I think I've done my time over the last few years but this
 accident this morning alone has cost me more than half a day.

 I need to spent my time on more important work.

 Regards,

 Erik

Really sorry to hear that, but understandable. Many thanks for committing all 
my stuff over the years! So, next question, to whom can we, contributers 
without CVS write access, commit our contributions to? 

As a long-time contributer, I'm actually thinking about volunteering, if that 
would come with the advantage of being able to check in my own stuff 
directly.

Cheers,
Durk


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: Tutorial System patch (version 5)

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Buchanan, Stuart -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 00:15:
 Available for comments from 
 
 http://www.nanjika.co.uk/flightgear/tutorial5.tar.gz

Tested and works very well! It's a lot of fun, too. There are only
a few remaining issues that can get fixed once it's in. If nobody
objects, then I'll commit that tomorrow. (Mind the fg_command.cxx
change, if you care.) Now we only need to assign a better festival
voice to the copilot ...

m.


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[Flightgear-devel] festival speech

2006-02-21 Thread Justin Smithies
Guys ive noticed quite alot recently that you mention the festival speech 
prog.
Does that mean if i install festival that FG will speak ?

How do i configure FG to speak and setup festival etc.

Regards,
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[Flightgear-devel] Re: festival speech

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Justin Smithies -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 20:05:
 Does that mean if i install festival that FG will speak ?

Yes.


 
 How do i configure FG to speak and setup festival etc.

See $FG_ROOT/Docs/README.voice.html. Once festival is set up
you only need to start it as server:

  $ festival --server

and start fgfs with voice support enabled:

  $ fgfs --prop:/sim/sound/voices/enabled=1 --airport=KSQL

Turn on ATC Traffic if you want to hear AI pilots. Use the '-key
(apostrophe key) to communicate with the tower. (If you start from
KSFO you won't get ATC communication offered.) The tutorials will
also speak to you.

You can permanently enable /sim/sound/voices/enabled. The only
disadvantage is that you get a few error messages if the server
isn't running. You can safely ignore that. I'll fix that later
(by submitting an sg patch :-).

m.


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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Resigning as patch committer.

2006-02-21 Thread Jim Wilson
 From: Vivian Meazza
 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:flightgear-
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Erik Hofman
  
  
  Hi,
  
  I have finally made the decision not to commit any patches from others
  anymore. I think I've done my time over the last few years but this
  accident this morning alone has cost me more than half a day.
  
  I need to spent my time on more important work.
 
 I'm sure we all sympathise with your decision. I would like to say a
 personal thank you for your help and understanding over the last years in
 getting my stuff in FG. And particularly in correcting the all too frequent
 errors!
 

Let me second this!  You have done an exemplary job, Erik.

Many thanks,

Jim


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: festival speech

2006-02-21 Thread Justin Smithies
I'm getting the same messages too

Justin Smithies



On Tuesday 21 February 2006 19:32, Curtis L. Olson wrote:
 Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 See $FG_ROOT/Docs/README.voice.html. Once festival is set up
 you only need to start it as server:
 
   $ festival --server
 
 and start fgfs with voice support enabled:
 
   $ fgfs --prop:/sim/sound/voices/enabled=1 --airport=KSQL
 
 Turn on ATC Traffic if you want to hear AI pilots. Use the '-key
 (apostrophe key) to communicate with the tower. (If you start from
 KSFO you won't get ATC communication offered.) The tutorials will
 also speak to you.
 
 You can permanently enable /sim/sound/voices/enabled. The only
 disadvantage is that you get a few error messages if the server
 isn't running. You can safely ignore that. I'll fix that later
 (by submitting an sg patch :-).

 Festival --server is kicking out messages like:

 client(1) Tue Feb 21 13:29:46 2006 : rejected from localhost.localdomain
 not in access list

 I didn't see anything useful in the manual related to locating a config
 file and what the access list syntax looks like.

 Any hints?

 Curt.


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: festival speech

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Curtis L. Olson -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 20:32:
 Festival --server is kicking out messages like:
 
 client(1) Tue Feb 21 13:29:46 2006 : rejected from localhost.localdomain 
 not in access list
 
 I didn't see anything useful in the manual related to locating a config 
 file and what the access list syntax looks like.

Yes. Festival seems to be set up restrictive on some systems (or by default?).
One has to set the permissions in /etc/festival.scm (if it looks there) or
in /usr/share/festival/siteinit.scm or /usr/share/festival/init.scm:

  http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival/manual/festival_28.html#SEC130

See server_deny_list and server_access_list.

I have first to find out where to place that ideally. It doesn't seem
to accept a config file in the home dir. I'll add a paragraph about it
in the README if I know more.

m.


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: festival speech

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
This should work:

  (set! server_access_list '(localhost))

Not that I've tried ...  :-)

m.


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: festival speech

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Melchior FRANZ -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 20:50:
   (set! server_access_list '(localhost))

It looks as if you only have to put the above line into a file e.g.
~/.festival.scm, and then call festival like so:

  $ festival --server ~/.festival.scm

m.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: festival speech

2006-02-21 Thread Justin Smithies
i also tried localhost.localdomain but get the same errors


On Tuesday 21 February 2006 19:57, Justin Smithies wrote:
 On Tuesday 21 February 2006 19:50, Melchior FRANZ wrote:
  (set! server_access_list '(localhost))

 Still the same errors..

 Sorry

 Justin Smithies


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: festival speech

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Pigeon -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 21:04:
 So I ended up having this in my .festivalrc is:
 
 (set! server_access_list nil)

Ah. Very good, thanks.

m.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: festival speech

2006-02-21 Thread Justin Smithies
Yep works for me :)

Thanks guys.

Justin Smithies


On Tuesday 21 February 2006 20:10, Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 * Pigeon -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 21:04:
  So I ended up having this in my .festivalrc is:
 
  (set! server_access_list nil)

 Ah. Very good, thanks.

 m.


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[Flightgear-devel] ATC voices

2006-02-21 Thread Justin Smithies
I have tried KSFO and heard the speech , but do any of the UK airports have 
this too ?
I have enabled atc and a density of 3 , even tried 1 but when leaving EGPD my 
home airport i never get anything from the tower etc ?

Help

Justin Smithies


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: ATC voices

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Justin Smithies -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 22:57:
 I have tried KSFO and heard the speech , but do any of the UK airports have 
 this too ?
 I have enabled atc and a density of 3 , even tried 1 but when leaving EGPD my 
 home airport i never get anything from the tower etc ?

You should hear the tower there, too, if you tune in a tower frequency
(see Menu-ATC-Frequencies). But non-KSFO personnel is a bit retarded.
What they say may not make much sense.  ;-)

m.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: ATC voices

2006-02-21 Thread Justin Smithies
I do enter the tower freq but i still dont see any text or hear the speech 
even when leaving their airspace

On Tuesday 21 February 2006 22:05, Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 * Justin Smithies -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 22:57:
  I have tried KSFO and heard the speech , but do any of the UK airports
  have this too ?
  I have enabled atc and a density of 3 , even tried 1 but when leaving
  EGPD my home airport i never get anything from the tower etc ?

 You should hear the tower there, too, if you tune in a tower frequency
 (see Menu-ATC-Frequencies). But non-KSFO personnel is a bit retarded.
 What they say may not make much sense.  ;-)

 m.


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: ATC voices

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Justin Smithies -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 23:11:
 I do enter the tower freq but i still dont see any text or hear the speech 
 even when leaving their airspace

Works here at EGPD: Frequency 118.1 (Tower) in COMM1.

m.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: ATC voices

2006-02-21 Thread Justin Smithies
Thats the same freq im using and i can take off fly miles away and hear 
nothing.
I enable ATC and select 3 from density

Using latest cvs .

Strange as i hear KSFO on their freq ...

Justin Smithies


On Tuesday 21 February 2006 22:14, Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 * Justin Smithies -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 23:11:
  I do enter the tower freq but i still dont see any text or hear the
  speech even when leaving their airspace

 Works here at EGPD: Frequency 118.1 (Tower) in COMM1.

 m.


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: ATC voices

2006-02-21 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Justin Smithies -- Tuesday 21 February 2006 23:20:
 Thats the same freq im using and i can take off fly miles away and hear 
 nothing.
 I enable ATC and select 3 from density

I hear ATC and my voice ('-key dialog), but there doesn't seem
to be any AI aircraft around. No idea why.

m.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Resigning as patch committer.

2006-02-21 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
Some of my works have been handled by Erik, so I would first like to say 
thank you.

Now a small question: if Erik hasn't nominated his successor to Curt yet, when 
do we get to nominate people? :)

Ampere


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] pa24-250 update and some questions

2006-02-21 Thread Dave Perry

David Megginson wrote:


2.  At manifold pressures below 20 in hg, the AC has much too much power

compared to the real AC.  I normally use 16 in of manifold pressure in
procedure turns and then with the gear down and 15 deg. of flaps, the
descent and airspeed fall in place at the outer marker.  I can't even
carry 10 in MP in the model in an approach.
 



Part of the problem, I think, is that you've specified an
unrealistically high performance in the approach section of the
YASim config file.  A 16 degree angle of attack is basically at the
stall, so the airspeed shouldn't be 71 knots.  Start with something
like 14 degrees and 55 knots, then play around until both landing
performance and in-air stalls are realistic.  Remember that the
aircraft model is specified a fair bit below maximum gross weight, so
the stall speed should be slower than the published one


Hi David,
I took your advice this evening and tried the 55 knots with 14 degrees.  
Yasim did not want to converge at first (insufficient elevator trim) but 
after I increased the hstab effectiveness to 2 (was 1.5) it converged.  
I also took the hstab incidence to 0 (was 0.6 I believe).  The stall 
speeds are still correct and the landings are much smoother, more like 
the real ac.  I also refined the MP gage interpolation as it was off at 
the low end such that it made the problem seem worse.  10 on the MP gage 
is now 10 in hg in the property list and 15 is now 15, etc.


I have made two OT changes.  First, I shot some touch-n-goes in the real 
N7764P and observed my field of view and panel view.  This made me 
decide to move the view point back and slightly to the right.  Now the 
ADF gage and the DME display are in the natural scan w/o moving the 
hat.  Still have to look to the right to note the tach and MP as in 
the real ac.  Second, I added the c172p ADF radio to the radio stack 
above the nav/com 1, adding a bus voltage condition to the text layer in 
the adf-radio.xml file.  After several instrument approaches with the 
model in fgfs, I can now use 10 in MP in my approach setup where I would 
use 15 or 16 in MP in the real ac.  This still allows me to practice 
with a set procedure for the power which is much better than it was.  If 
after a few more evenings of approaches, I am satisfied with the setup, 
I will have you submit these patches.


I still think yasim could use more prop drag at low MP.  It still allows 
the RPM to creep towards 1800 sitting on the ramp with the throttle 
closed and the prop forward.  The real ac would be at about 700 RPM for 
this case.


Thanks for the suggestions,
Dave P.


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