[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-users] Guess what plane this is!

2006-05-10 Thread Major A

 http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-010.png
 
 Looks like an A300...
 
 Damn, beaten to it. My basic thinking was 'looks like a widebody  
 twin, but the main gear only has four wheels, not six'.

Three axles on the main landing gear would have been too easy I
think... for me the giveaway was the shape of the nose section, which
can only be A300 or 767. The position of the nosewheel narrowed it
down to A300, but the dust-bin lid style main landing gear doors are
also very characteristic.

Good work, Ampere!

Now here's is a quick hack I've done overnight, and it's nowhere near
complete of course:

  http://homepage.univie.ac.at/andras.major/PFD1.png

Question 1: what flightdeck is it going to be? (there are two correct
answers...)

Question 2: I did that with Python and GTK (pango and cairo, to be
exact). Since it's so easy to do things like this in cairo, would
it be possible to actually incorporate support for cairo in FG? 
There's even a cairo backend that renders to OpenGL using Glitz, so we
can even re-use the code for 3D cockpits. How about that? We can even
extend the idea and make it possible to define instruments in SVG
embedded in XML, which is then rendered by cairo through glitz
directly into OpenGL :)

  Andras


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] possible solution to online flying (VATSIM)?!

2006-05-10 Thread Major A

Paul,

 How about this idea ...
 Since the X-Plane XSquawkBox module is cross platform why don't we just write 
 a proxy app for it that pretends to be X-Plane and interfaces directly to FG 
 in the background?

That sounds really good, although it's probably a lot more work than
just interfacing XP and FG -- remember XSquawBox has a GUI which must
be emulated!

 1. you don't need to purchase X-Plane and run it on another PC 

You don't need to purchase it anyway -- you don't need the scenery or
joystick input, and these are the only two things missing in the demo
version! I actually like the idea of running it on another PC because
having to type text messages to ATC on the same keyboard as the one
controlling the aircraft is a real mess. (Forget to press Return
before you type in XP and you can end up at FL380 with the gear
extending, A/P off, and reversers deploying -- no fun at all.)

I'm sure though that Sandy would help us by giving away which
functions of XP he uses in XSquawBox, i.e. which ones would have to be
emulated.

  Andras


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[Flightgear-devel] Re: [Flightgear-users] Guess what plane this is!

2006-05-10 Thread Major A

 http://www.cs.yorku.ca/~cs233144/fgfs-screen-010.png
 
 Looks like an A300...
 
 Damn, beaten to it. My basic thinking was 'looks like a widebody  
 twin, but the main gear only has four wheels, not six'.

Three axles on the main landing gear would have been too easy I
think... for me the giveaway was the shape of the nose section, which
can only be A300 or 767. The position of the nosewheel narrowed it
down to A300, but the dust-bin lid style main landing gear doors are
also very characteristic.

Good work, Ampere!

Now here's is a quick hack I've done overnight, and it's nowhere near
complete of course:

  http://homepage.univie.ac.at/andras.major/PFD1.png

Question 1: what flightdeck is it going to be? (there are two correct
answers...)

Question 2: I did that with Python and GTK (pango and cairo, to be
exact). Since it's so easy to do things like this in cairo, would
it be possible to actually incorporate support for cairo in FG? 
There's even a cairo backend that renders to OpenGL using Glitz, so we
can even re-use the code for 3D cockpits. How about that? We can even
extend the idea and make it possible to define instruments in SVG
embedded in XML, which is then rendered by cairo through glitz
directly into OpenGL :)

  Andras


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Guess what plane this is!

2006-05-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 00:50, flying.toaster wrote:
 Looks like an Airbus A300B (missing winglets and ailerons), but then I miss
 some details to be affirmative (I seem to remember there are boundary layer
 fences somewhere on the leading edge...
Yes, there are wing fences, and as you can see, I haven't added them yet.

 and engines slung under those pylons 
 ;o) ).
I will leave that to the engine manufacturers.  hehe

 Hope I can finish my A340-500 anytime soon to join ;o)
That's on my to-do list this summer as well, along with pretty much the rest 
of the Airbus family.

Ampere


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[Flightgear-devel] My TerraGear notes now available on FlightGear wiki

2006-05-10 Thread Chris Metzler

Hi.  I mentioned this next door on terragear-devel, but figured there
might be people not subscribed there who'd be itnerested.  Anyway,
last night I finished writing up my TerraGear HOWTO (really a companion
document to the most recent documentation, trying to fill in gaps and
correcting stuff in the docs that's incorrect).  It's available off
the front page of the FlightGear wiki.  I hope it's of some help to
someone.

-c

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Guess what plane this is!

2006-05-10 Thread flying.toaster

I've already started working on the 3D model of the 340-500. Is it worth I 
should continue with it ?

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 On Wednesday 10 May 2006 00:50, flying.toaster wrote:
  Looks like an Airbus A300B (missing winglets and ailerons), but then I miss
  some details to be affirmative (I seem to remember there are boundary layer
  fences somewhere on the leading edge...
 Yes, there are wing fences, and as you can see, I haven't added them yet.
 
  and engines slung under those pylons 
  ;o) ).
 I will leave that to the engine manufacturers.  hehe
 
  Hope I can finish my A340-500 anytime soon to join ;o)
 That's on my to-do list this summer as well, along with pretty much the rest 
 of the Airbus family.
 
 Ampere
 
 
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Guess what plane this is!

2006-05-10 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 11:47, flying.toaster wrote:
 I've already started working on the 3D model of the 340-500. Is it worth I
 should continue with it ?

I haven't started yet.  I have the data I need to get the accuracy of majority 
of the parts down to the millimeter range, and I was planning on creating the 
A330-300 and its cockpit first, then copy and paste fuselage-frame-stations 
to produce both the A33X and A34X variants.

How much progress have you made?  May be we should collaborate?

Ampere


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[Flightgear-devel] Frames of Reference in jsbsim

2006-05-10 Thread Steve Hosgood
I just *know* I'm going to get totally flamed for this, but can someone 
please tell me how the CG, Eyepoint, AERORP and VRP are interconnected? 
Yeah, I know - RTFM.


Trouble is, I think I did R the FM (there was an article by Jon S. 
Berndt himself in Issue 1, Vol1 of the Quarterly Newsletter) but it 
didn't seem to answer the following questions. For that matter ISTR that 
this same issue came up here a while back, but I can't find it in the 
mailiing-list archives.


Here goes.

Issue 1, Vol1 of the Quarterly Newsletter states that the sim tracks an 
aircraft by its CG. However, it then goes on to state that CG isn't a 
useful datum for a frame of reference because it can move (as, for 
instance, when fuel is used up). Indeed, CG gets specified in the 
aircraft .xml file as having an [X,Y,Z] location, and evidently this 
[X,Y,Z] is using some other point on the aircraft as datum.


Where is this other point? Just some arbitrary convenient point? 
Presumably not the aerodynamic reference point, since it looks like that 
also gets specified with an [X,Y,Z] coordinate in the setting of 
AERORP. Is the AERORP the point about which the tail arm is 
referenced? Where should the AERORP be placed w.r.t the wing? Is there a 
concept of wing arm to match the concept of tail arm?


I think I know what the eyepoint is :-). It is specified with an 
[X,Y,Z] too, but in what coordinate frame?


Likewise the VRP. This is the location of the reference point of the 3D 
model isn't it? Again, from what point is the VRP's  [X,Y,Z] measured from?


Then there's the semi-unrelated question of the X axis. Increasing 
aftwards it says, but along what axis of aftwards are we speaking? Is 
it parallel (say) to the chord of the main wing or what?


Finally, back to CG again. Do I assume the the CG that is specified 
with an [X,Y,Z] coordinate refers just to the CG of the airframe itself? 
Issue 1, Vol1 of the Quarterly Newsletter states (quite rightly) that 
the actual CG of a plane moves during flight duration as the fuel is 
used up, but I assume that this is why you can specify tank locations 
and fuel weights and rates of fuel usage. So the actual flying CG of a 
plane isn't where you set CG?


Sorry about the interrogation, but I've realised that I seriously don't 
know what I'm doing in the .xml file department here!

Thanks in advance for any insights.
Steve.



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[Flightgear-devel] Help About Coding

2006-05-10 Thread m umair
Hi   I am a computer science student an interesting in flight simulations and my final proj of BSC is Simulation of F-16 It is basic prototype of Flight simulator game. Now I want to enhance my simulator using flightgear. I would be thank full to you if you would let me know about the archtecture of Flightgear and some tutorials about flight simulationRegards
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Frames of Reference in jsbsim

2006-05-10 Thread Dave Culp
On Wednesday 10 May 2006 11:43 am, Steve Hosgood wrote:

 Where is this other point? Just some arbitrary convenient point?

yes

 I think I know what the eyepoint is :-). It is specified with an
 [X,Y,Z] too, but in what coordinate frame?

same as above



 Likewise the VRP. This is the location of the reference point of the 3D
 model isn't it? Again, from what point is the VRP's  [X,Y,Z] measured from?

same as above


 Then there's the semi-unrelated question of the X axis. Increasing
 aftwards it says, but along what axis of aftwards are we speaking? Is
 it parallel (say) to the chord of the main wing or what?

nose to tail



 Finally, back to CG again. Do I assume the the CG that is specified
 with an [X,Y,Z] coordinate refers just to the CG of the airframe itself?

yes, CG of the empty airplane

 Issue 1, Vol1 of the Quarterly Newsletter states (quite rightly) that
 the actual CG of a plane moves during flight duration as the fuel is
 used up, but I assume that this is why you can specify tank locations
 and fuel weights and rates of fuel usage. So the actual flying CG of a
 plane isn't where you set CG?

correct



Dave


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[Flightgear-devel] fgfs bug in x64

2006-05-10 Thread Gonzalo Aguilar Delgado
Hi all!!!

I'm just testing this great piece of software and I'm have some problems
running it...

Sometimes it crash while flying but almost all the times it crash on
exit.

I ran it under gdb and this is what I got (last trailing output and bt):

2aff88f4b000-2aff88f4c000 rw-p 5000 08:01
8144613/lib64/ libgpm.so.1.19.0
2aff88f4c000-2aff88f4f000 rw-p 2aff88f4c000 00:00 0
7fb01000-7fb21000 rwxp 7fb01000 00:00 0
[stack]
7fb21000-7fb24000 rw-p 7fb21000 00:00 0
ff60-ffe0 ---p  00:00 0
[vdso]

Program received signal SIGABRT, Aborted.
[Switching to Thread 47277002777344 (LWP 1121)]
0x2aff87545859 in raise () from /lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) bt
#0  0x2aff87545859 in raise () from /lib/libc.so.6
#1  0x2aff87546c3e in abort () from /lib/libc.so.6
#2  0x2aff8757a15e in __fsetlocking () from /lib/libc.so.6
#3  0x2aff8757f53c in malloc_usable_size () from /lib/libc.so.6
#4  0x2aff875800a6 in free () from /lib/libc.so.6
#5  0x2aff872c904e in operator delete ()
   from /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-pc-linux-gnu/3.4.6/libstdc++.so.6
#6  0x00898518 in std::invalid_argument::~invalid_argument ()
#7  0x008983ee in std::invalid_argument::~invalid_argument ()
#8  0x008983ee in std::invalid_argument::~invalid_argument ()
#9  0x004307b1 in std::operator+char, std::char_traitschar,
std::allo catorchar  ()
#10 0x0040fda6 in ?? ()
#11 0x2aff87547e7c in exit () from /lib/libc.so.6
#12 0x2aff860a0eb6 in __glutRegisterEventParser ()
   from /usr/lib/libglut.so.3
#13 0x2aff860a2066 in glutMainLoop () from /usr/lib/libglut.so.3
#14 0x00413aa7 in ?? ()
#15 0x0040fdf8 in ?? ()
#16 0x2aff87533136 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
#17 0x0040fcc9 in ?? ()
#18 0x7fb20e08 in ?? ()
#19 0x001c in ?? ()
---Type return to continue, or q return to quit---
#20 0x0001 in ?? ()
#21 0x7fb223ab in ?? ()
#22 0x in ?? ()
(gdb)


This is also a little bit information. I don't know if you need
something else. Please let me know if you need more.


Linux azul1 2.6.16-gentoo-r1 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Apr 24 20:59:35 CEST
2006 x86_64 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 4200+ GNU/Linux
g


Thank you
Great job!


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] test

2006-05-10 Thread Chris Metzler
On Wed, 10 May 2006 20:06:27 -0500
Jon S. Berndt wrote:

 I think the list has been down.

I've been getting list messages, but in fits and starts.

The archive at sourceforge, however, stopped archiving messages five days
ago.  *Again*.

It's hard to justify complaining because it's free, after all.  But SF's
mailing list service is a bit of a joke.

-c

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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Frames of Reference in jsbsim

2006-05-10 Thread Jon S. Berndt
 I just *know* I'm going to get totally flamed for this, but can someone
 please tell me how the CG, Eyepoint, AERORP and VRP are interconnected?
 Yeah, I know - RTFM.

I'd say that, but there really isn't much of one, yet! :-(

You won't get flamed. It's not the easiest concept to figure out.

 Issue 1, Vol1 of the Quarterly Newsletter states that the sim tracks an
 aircraft by its CG. However, it then goes on to state that CG isn't a
 useful datum for a frame of reference because it can move (as, for
 instance, when fuel is used up). Indeed, CG gets specified in the
 aircraft .xml file as having an [X,Y,Z] location, and evidently this
 [X,Y,Z] is using some other point on the aircraft as datum.

Since it is largely the relative positions of various points on the aircraft
which matter most, it's somewhat arbitrary how the base coordinate system
is defined. The XYZ points in the JSBSim config file are specified relative
to a coordinate system that has its X axis pointing backwards, the Y axis
pointing out the right side of the aircraft, and the Z axis pointing
upwards. The origin of the coordinate frame could be anywhere, but it is
usually out ahead of the aircraft, and often the X axis is coincident with
the aircraft centerline. This is the structural frame as defined by some
aircraft manufacturers. It is fixed in the aircraft for all time.

 I think I know what the eyepoint is :-). It is specified with an
 [X,Y,Z] too, but in what coordinate frame?

 Likewise the VRP. This is the location of the reference point of the 3D
 model isn't it? Again, from what point is the VRP's  [X,Y,Z]
 measured from?

 Then there's the semi-unrelated question of the X axis. Increasing
 aftwards it says, but along what axis of aftwards are we speaking? Is
 it parallel (say) to the chord of the main wing or what?

The VRP, landing gear, CG, aero ref pt, eyepoint, engine locations, etc. are
all in structural frame.

 Finally, back to CG again. Do I assume the the CG that is specified
 with an [X,Y,Z] coordinate refers just to the CG of the airframe itself?
 Issue 1, Vol1 of the Quarterly Newsletter states (quite rightly) that
 the actual CG of a plane moves during flight duration as the fuel is
 used up, but I assume that this is why you can specify tank locations
 and fuel weights and rates of fuel usage. So the actual flying CG of a
 plane isn't where you set CG?

Correct. The CG moves. The empty weight CG is what is specified in the
metrics section of the config file.

Don't feel bad about interrogating. If you have questions, please feel
free to ask either here or in the JSBSim list. Let us know if the above does
not answer your question.

Best regards,

Jon



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[Flightgear-devel] test

2006-05-10 Thread Jon S. Berndt
I think the list has been down.


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RE: [Flightgear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary: FlightGear data

2006-05-10 Thread dene maxwell

;-} with great trepidation;

How do I convert the paths below to URLs ?

Please be gentle as I have only used CVS by being given direct URLs.

I have searched the FG site for about an hour to try and find it for myself.
:-D ene



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Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary: FlightGear data
Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 00:06:28 -0500

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
2006-05-01_11:54:14 (fredb)
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/model-howto.html

Add few words on dist-scale and flash animations, clarification on 
reparenting and grouping objects, and how to combine animations



=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
2006-05-01_12:08:32 (fredb)
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/model-howto.html

Add a paragraph on reordering translucent objects with none animation.


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
2006-05-01_17:41:22 (fredb)
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/model-howto.html

Document conditions, the select animation and introduce personality


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
2006-05-01_18:00:49 (fredb)
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/model-howto.html

Explain the timed animation


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2006-05-02_01:17:52 (curt)
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/AI/thermal_demo.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/sgs233/sgs233-set.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Geometry/thermal_cap.rgb
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Geometry/thermalcap.ac
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Geometry/thermalcap.xml

Dave Culp:

I've got some updates for the soaring scenario that will make for a more
realistic (and fun) experience.  They are:

1)  A cap cloud, which will sit atop each thermal
2)  A thermal scenario with wide coverage around KSFO, and using cap clouds
3)  A one-line change to AIThermal.cxx to position cap cloud properly
4)  Schweizer 2-33 set file change to match cloud coverage with thermal
heights.

files:

1)  data/Models/Geometry/thermalcap.ac
2)  data/Models/Geometry/thermalcap.xml
3)  data/Models/Geometry/thermal_cap.rgb

4)  data/AI/thermal_demo.xml

5)  data/Aircraft/sgs233/sgs233-set.xml

6)  source/src/AIModel/AIThermal.cxx
*** or, if you prefer diffs ***
7)  aimodel.diff


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2006-05-02_01:46:40 (curt)
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/A-10/A-10-set.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/A-10/Nasal/A-10.nas
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/A-10/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/A-10/Systems/A-10-autopilot.xml

Lee Elliott:

here are a bunch of updated files to handle the autopilot
standards change regarding the use of 'agl-hold' instead of
'terrain-follow'


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2006-05-02_01:48:04 (curt)
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/AN-225/AN-225-set.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/AN-225/Nasal/AN-225.nas
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/AN-225/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/AN-225/Systems/AN-225-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/B-52F/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/B-52F/Systems/B-52F-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/BAC-TSR2/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/BAC-TSR2/Systems/BAC-TSR2-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/CanberraBI8/CanberraBI8-set.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/CanberraBI8/Nasal/CanberraBI8.nas
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/CanberraBI8/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/CanberraBI8/Systems/CanberraBI8-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/MiG-15/Nasal/MiG-15bis.nas
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/MiG-15/Panels/Instruments/autopilot-monitor.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/MiG-15/Panels/Instruments/position-monitor.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/MiG-15/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml


Lee Elliott:

here are a bunch of updated files to handle the autopilot
standards change regarding the use of 'agl-hold' instead of
'terrain-follow'


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2006-05-02_01:48:05 (curt)
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/MiG-15/Systems/MiG-15bis-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/TU-114/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/TU-114/Systems/TU-114-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/YF-23/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/YF-23/Systems/YF-23-autopilot.xml


Lee Elliott:

here are a bunch of updated files to handle the autopilot
standards change regarding the use of 

Re: [Flightgear-devel] test

2006-05-10 Thread GWMobile
All the yahoogroups list have been down too. Aparently some virus is 
doing widepsread listserv message flooding or something.


On Wed, 10 May 2006 6:30 pm, Chris Metzler wrote:

On Wed, 10 May 2006 20:06:27 -0500
Jon S. Berndt wrote:


 I think the list has been down.


I've been getting list messages, but in fits and starts.

The archive at sourceforge, however, stopped archiving messages five 
days

ago.  *Again*.

It's hard to justify complaining because it's free, after all.  But 
SF's

mailing list service is a bit of a joke.

-c

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[Flightgear-devel] Formation Flying

2006-05-10 Thread Julien Pierru
Hi allLast night Dave, shavlir, Eow^^ and I successfully flew in rather tight formation for about 20 minutes. At any given times our 4 aircraft were contained within a 50 meters diameter volume. We managed to maintain an arrow shape formation with Dave Culp in lead shavlir #2 on his right wing, me #3 on his left wing and finally Eow^^ as #4 on my left wing. We also switched to diamond and shavlir and I both moved from Dave's left wing to his right while remaining in formation.
With a little more training we can close up a little better, we even managed a formation landing...It was awesome.You can check out screenshots of this flight at the following locations:
http://flamebunny.homelinux.net/pictures.php?name=fgfspage=6http://fgfs.i-net.hu/modules/xoopsgallery/view_album.php?set_albumName=album14
http://www.geocities.com/eow_fg_mp/I am looking for a good aircraft for this exercise, the OV_10 was good since it was stable, easy to control its speed and great field of view.
However I'd like one with nav instruments as well, for future flights following a flight plan;)Regards,Julien


RE: [Flightgear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary: FlightGear data

2006-05-10 Thread Ron Jensen
Start here:
http://cvs.flightgear.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/?cvsroot=FlightGear-0.9

This is the /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/ part of the path.  Then click the
link to data, the link to Docs, the link model-howto.html, then choose
save link target as... (or windows equivelent) on the Download link.

Save this file into %FGROOT%/Docs/model-howto.htm

You can pull the other by going back to the link above and following
down the tree.  Be careful though, playing around manually replacing
files from CVS like this _may_ hose your flightgear system.  Aren't you
still running 0.9.8?

Ron

On Thu, 2006-05-11 at 16:47 +1200, dene maxwell wrote:
 ;-} with great trepidation;
 
 How do I convert the paths below to URLs ?
 
 Please be gentle as I have only used CVS by being given direct URLs.
 
 I have searched the FG site for about an hour to try and find it for myself.
 :-D ene
 
 
 From: Curtis L. Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
 Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Weekly CVS Changelog Summary: FlightGear data
 Date: Sun, 07 May 2006 00:06:28 -0500
 
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 2006-05-01_11:54:14 (fredb)
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/model-howto.html
 
 Add few words on dist-scale and flash animations, clarification on 
 reparenting and grouping objects, and how to combine animations
 
 
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 2006-05-01_12:08:32 (fredb)
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/model-howto.html
 
 Add a paragraph on reordering translucent objects with none animation.
 
 
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 2006-05-01_17:41:22 (fredb)
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/model-howto.html
 
 Document conditions, the select animation and introduce personality
 
 
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 2006-05-01_18:00:49 (fredb)
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Docs/model-howto.html
 
 Explain the timed animation
 
 
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 2006-05-02_01:17:52 (curt)
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/AI/thermal_demo.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/sgs233/sgs233-set.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Geometry/thermal_cap.rgb
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Geometry/thermalcap.ac
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Models/Geometry/thermalcap.xml
 
 Dave Culp:
 
 I've got some updates for the soaring scenario that will make for a more
 realistic (and fun) experience.  They are:
 
 1)  A cap cloud, which will sit atop each thermal
 2)  A thermal scenario with wide coverage around KSFO, and using cap clouds
 3)  A one-line change to AIThermal.cxx to position cap cloud properly
 4)  Schweizer 2-33 set file change to match cloud coverage with thermal
 heights.
 
 files:
 
 1)  data/Models/Geometry/thermalcap.ac
 2)  data/Models/Geometry/thermalcap.xml
 3)  data/Models/Geometry/thermal_cap.rgb
 
 4)  data/AI/thermal_demo.xml
 
 5)  data/Aircraft/sgs233/sgs233-set.xml
 
 6)  source/src/AIModel/AIThermal.cxx
 *** or, if you prefer diffs ***
 7)  aimodel.diff
 
 
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 2006-05-02_01:46:40 (curt)
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/A-10/A-10-set.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/A-10/Nasal/A-10.nas
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/A-10/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/A-10/Systems/A-10-autopilot.xml
 
 Lee Elliott:
 
 here are a bunch of updated files to handle the autopilot
 standards change regarding the use of 'agl-hold' instead of
 'terrain-follow'
 
 
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 2006-05-02_01:48:04 (curt)
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/AN-225/AN-225-set.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/AN-225/Nasal/AN-225.nas
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/AN-225/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/AN-225/Systems/AN-225-autopilot.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/B-52F/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/B-52F/Systems/B-52F-autopilot.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/BAC-TSR2/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/BAC-TSR2/Systems/BAC-TSR2-autopilot.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/CanberraBI8/CanberraBI8-set.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/CanberraBI8/Nasal/CanberraBI8.nas
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/CanberraBI8/Panels/Instruments/text-autopilot.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/CanberraBI8/Systems/CanberraBI8-autopilot.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/MiG-15/Nasal/MiG-15bis.nas
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/MiG-15/Panels/Instruments/autopilot-monitor.xml
 /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/data/Aircraft/MiG-15/Panels/Instruments/position-monitor.xml