[Flightgear-devel] Re: Re: Google earth mapping for fgfs scenery
Then as a separate and non official flight gear project others could write a keystroke script to get google earth or probably easier google maps to display tiles around the area you want to fly and screen capture them and save them to a directory in flightgear along with an appropriate latitude and longitude. Currently they do not allow any non-web application use the google map data/images. Not sure about google earth but i imagine similar terms of use. And I think you can't capture or save the map images data by any mean for other uses either. Pigeon. --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
simon wrote : Martin Spott wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thoughts / comments ? I don't want to discourage you, FlightGear needs every helping hand. BUT it might be a bit counterproductive if everyone creates their own FlightGear wiki. Before starting a new one you probably should have contacted the maintainer of the other wiki to discuss how to proceed (or are you actually the maintainer of the other wiki ?). I thought the idea behind a wiki is to avoid spreading information over dozends of sites by enabling everyone to contribute to _one_ wiki that covers a certain topic. The whole idea is being foiled if numerous wikies are being run in order to 'serve' FlightGear users. Regards, Martin. Good thoughts - I agree one wiki will do, I'm just trying to make the case for a better wiki than the current one. Judging from the lack of response, I'm guessing there aren't many strong (any at all) opinions on the matter and this idea may just fall through the cracks. Does anyone see advantages to the current seedwiki site that I'm overlooking? Does anyone know who is the maintainer of the current wiki? Seedwiki is an offered service and the FlightGear page was first setup by David M. as an easy way to gather additional documentation without the need of a maintainer. Seedwiki has a near wysiwyg way to edit pages, but the display is restrained in a narrow strip. I find mediawiki ( or at least your implementation ) easier to read and certainly to design pages because it offers the whole screen to edit. I am just worried I can't find the pages I wrote : http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/flightgear_scenery_designer.cfm http://www.seedwiki.com/wiki/flight_gear/flightgear_launch_control and their descendant. Now, few questions : Is it a complete port ? Are you planning to maintain the coherency between the two during the transition ? Where is it hosted ? What is the perenniality of this hosting ? BTW: wiki.flightgear.org doesn't work for me. -Fred -- Frédéric Bouvier http://frfoto.free.fr Photo gallery - album photo http://www.fotolia.fr/p/2278 Other photo gallery http://fgsd.sourceforge.net/ FlightGear Scenery Designer --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid7521bid$8729dat1642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
Erik Hofman wrote: Martin Spott wrote: simon wrote: Does anyone know who is the maintainer of the current wiki? I once tried to get into contact with him but didn't succeed in finding any imprint on these pages :-( Eh, A Wiki is by nature community based, so there is no owner... I'm not thinking of an 'owner', but even a Wiki should at least have someone who cares a bit, a 'maintainer', Martin. -- Unix _IS_ user friendly - it's just selective about who its friends are ! -- --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Re: Google earth mapping for fgfs scenery
On Saturday 27 May 2006 09:41, Pigeon wrote: Then as a separate and non official flight gear project others could write a keystroke script to get google earth or probably easier google maps to display tiles around the area you want to fly and screen capture them and save them to a directory in flightgear along with an appropriate latitude and longitude. Currently they do not allow any non-web application use the google map data/images. Not sure about google earth but i imagine similar terms of use. And I think you can't capture or save the map images data by any mean for other uses either. Pigeon. I've had this same discussion before with Silent Wings users who don't seem to understand that if you can see something for free on the Internet doesn't make it free to use for other purposes. I'll spare everyone the pain and post the nasty bits of the Google Earth license. The same applies to Google Maps - it may only be viewed in a web browser. Period. 3. PROPRIETARY RIGHTS (a) You are only licensing rights to use the Software and the geographical information available to be viewed using the Software. The Software, in whole and in part and all copies thereof, are and will remain the sole and exclusive property of Google. Further, you do not receive any, and Google and/or its licensors (if any) retain all, ownership rights in the geographic information displayed using the Software. The geographic information is copyrighted and may not be copied, even if modified or merged with other data or software. Your use and access of the geographical information may be subject to further license requirements or obligations. As far as I can tell all the NASA World Wind data is released under public domain so that would be the best avenue to pursue unless someone wants to play with Google and get sued. The vast majority of the data is Landsat 7 ETM+ data which has a maximum resolution of 14.24 meters/pixel after being pan sharpened. Looks good from an altitude of about 3000km (~1ft) or in mountaineous areas like the European Alps. Paul --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Re: Re: Google earth mapping for fgfs scenery
The city orthoscopic aerial photo area from nasa are public domain as well and much higher res than landsat. On Sat, 27 May 2006 5:59 am, Paul Surgeon wrote: On Saturday 27 May 2006 09:41, Pigeon wrote: Then as a separate and non official flight gear project others could write a keystroke script to get google earth or probably easier google maps to display tiles around the area you want to fly and screen capture them and save them to a directory in flightgear along with an appropriate latitude and longitude. Currently they do not allow any non-web application use the google map data/images. Not sure about google earth but i imagine similar terms of use. And I think you can't capture or save the map images data by any mean for other uses either. Pigeon. I've had this same discussion before with Silent Wings users who don't seem to understand that if you can see something for free on the Internet doesn't make it free to use for other purposes. I'll spare everyone the pain and post the nasty bits of the Google Earth license. The same applies to Google Maps - it may only be viewed in a web browser. Period. 3. PROPRIETARY RIGHTS (a) You are only licensing rights to use the Software and the geographical information available to be viewed using the Software. The Software, in whole and in part and all copies thereof, are and will remain the sole and exclusive property of Google. Further, you do not receive any, and Google and/or its licensors (if any) retain all, ownership rights in the geographic information displayed using the Software. The geographic information is copyrighted and may not be copied, even if modified or merged with other data or software. Your use and access of the geographical information may be subject to further license requirements or obligations. As far as I can tell all the NASA World Wind data is released under public domain so that would be the best avenue to pursue unless someone wants to play with Google and get sued. The vast majority of the data is Landsat 7 ETM+ data which has a maximum resolution of 14.24 meters/pixel after being pan sharpened. Looks good from an altitude of about 3000km (~1ft) or in mountaineous areas like the European Alps. Paul --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel Bush's family and Saudi partners make higher profits/prices by preventing Saddam's huge Iraqi oil reserves from ever being sold. They'll Enron the world - George Watson 2001 For Hurricanes www.globalboiling.com For solar wind and earthquakes www.electricquakes.com Typos caused by two inch mobile phone keyboard --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Tides in FlightGear?
On Friday 26 May 2006 12:03, Curtis L. Olson wrote: You would almost have to redo the scenery in the areas with ocean coverage to include the ocean floor elevation, then draw the ocean as a seperate layer that can be moved up and down exposing more or less of the terrain. The trick maybe to find a good sea floor elevation database that is reasonably compatible with SRTM, and mesh the two data sets seamlessly. Curt. I like this idea, as it is a more generic approach and could work for steeper shorelines (like those around KSFO). Smaller layers could then be used to simulate the effects of waves as well, and based on the camera's distance to these layers, we could then play the sounds for wave. Water surface should be handled differently than land right from the beginning. Right now, any plane could land on the water as if the water is a giant runway. By having the water as a separated mesh, we could finally simulate the plane-water interaction properly. I feel that this method would move us into the right direction. Ampere --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
On Friday 26 May 2006 13:57, simon wrote: Judging from the lack of response, I'm guessing there aren't many strong (any at all) opinions on the matter and this idea may just fall through the cracks. No. I like it very much. It is much better and more sane than the current one that we are using. :) I very much hope that this is added to the flightgear website; wiki.flightgear.org is logical and easy to remember whereas currently I (despite having added quite a bit of stuff over a fair period of time) have to dig around on the FG website to find the link to the wiki every time. Good work; the wiki concept is useful and your particular implemetation is clean. All we need is for wiki.flightgear.org to point to it and we'll finally be able to point enquirers there without three minutes of digging first :-) Cheers, AJ Well said! Ampere --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear wiki
I have no strong opinions on where we host the wiki. If there is a general consensus here, I can add wiki.flightgear.org to point to [tell me the IP #] and update the link on the FG documentation page. Curt. Ampere K. Hardraade wrote: On Friday 26 May 2006 13:57, simon wrote: Judging from the lack of response, I'm guessing there aren't many strong (any at all) opinions on the matter and this idea may just fall through the cracks. No. I like it very much. It is much better and more sane than the current one that we are using. :) I very much hope that this is added to the flightgear website; wiki.flightgear.org is logical and easy to remember whereas currently I (despite having added quite a bit of stuff over a fair period of time) have to dig around on the FG website to find the link to the wiki every time. Good work; the wiki concept is useful and your particular implemetation is clean. All we need is for wiki.flightgear.org to point to it and we'll finally be able to point enquirers there without three minutes of digging first :-) Cheers, AJ Well said! Ampere --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Curtis Olsonhttp://www.flightgear.org/~curt HumanFIRST Program http://www.humanfirst.umn.edu/ FlightGear Project http://www.flightgear.org Unique text:2f585eeea02e2c79d7b1d8c4963bae2d --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
