Re: [Flightgear-devel] RTT issue with ATI cards (3d clouds)

2006-08-20 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Saturday 19 August 2006 20:28, Frederic Bouvier wrote:
 Mathias Fröhlich a écrit :
  - support me with switching to osg, they already have that including much
  more ...

 How could we do that ? Can you share what you already done ?
I am out until at least next sunday evening. Past that more about that.

  Greetings

 Mathias

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] RTT issue with ATI cards (3d clouds)

2006-08-20 Thread Mathias Fröhlich
On Saturday 19 August 2006 17:02, Christopher HORLER wrote:
  No, he is not wrong.
  You should not look into the server extensions nor into the client
  extensions. The only valid thing is (well, I had to learn that the hard
  way
 
  :) GLX extensions that is in effect what the client *and* the server
 
  understands. Here you don't have what you need for rendertexture.
 
  I suffer from the same problem.

 Apologies
Not a problem!

 Greetings
  Mathias

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] fatal error when switching views

2006-08-20 Thread Mathias Fröhlich

David,

On Friday 11 August 2006 19:07, Dave Culp wrote:
 Just some info here on how to reproduce the fatal error when switching
 views.

 1)  Take off from some place where you don't have the terrain.
 2)  switch to next view by hitting the V key

 I get this:

 Attempting to schedule tiles for bogus lon and lat  = (-1000,0)
 This is a FATAL error.  Exiting!


 As long as I stay in cockpit view I'm fine, and can look around and see
 water, as I expect.

I tried hard to reproduce that with flightgear compiled with glut and sdl. I 
cannot yet reproduce that. I know that there are several reports about that, 
but I do not yet have an idea why this happens.
I am still thinking about that ...

Anyway, I am out until next sunday, before that I will not have any access to 
a computer.

Greetings

Mathias

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Bug in mp-visibility of planes?

2006-08-20 Thread Maik Justus

Hi Matthias,

Mathias Fröhlich wrote:

Hi Maik,
On Sunday 13 August 2006 21:15, Maik Justus wrote:
  

I still have this problem. Can you tell me, where in the source the 10
seconds timeout are tested? Then I can try, to find more detailed
information.


That would be great!
That happens around line 420 in src/MultiPlayer/multiplaymgr.cxx.

Greetings

   Mathias
  

The problem is, that the elapsed time is queried in this way

long stamp = timestamper.get_seconds();


but the timestamper update is calculated this way (file timestamp.cxx 
(simgear)):

void SGTimeStamp::stamp() {
#if defined( WIN32 )  !defined(__CYGWIN__)
unsigned int t;
t = timeGetTime();
seconds = 0;//-- comment by Maik:  this is the 
problem

usec =  t * 1000;
#elif defined( HAVE_GETTIMEOFDAY )
struct timeval current;
struct timezone tz;
// sg_timestamp currtime;
gettimeofday(current, tz);
seconds = current.tv_sec;
usec = current.tv_usec;
#elif defined( HAVE_GETLOCALTIME )
SYSTEMTIME current;
GetLocalTime(current);
seconds = current.wSecond;
usec = current.wMilliseconds * 1000;
#elif defined( HAVE_FTIME )
struct timeb current;
ftime(current);
seconds = current.time;
usec = current.millitm * 1000;
// -dw- uses time manager
#elif defined( macintosh )
UnsignedWide ms;
Microseconds(ms);

seconds = ms.lo / 100;

usec = ms.lo - ( seconds * 100 );
#else
# error Port me
#endif
}
For MSVC the seconds are allways zero, all the elapsed time is stored in 
usec. After splitting the elapsed time into usec and seconds and 
removing the  #if defined( WIN32 )  !defined(__CYGWIN__) sections 
alls seems

to work well (see enclosed diff for simgear). Please add it to CVS.

Maik

? timig.diff
Index: timestamp.cxx
===
RCS file: /var/cvs/SimGear-0.3/source/simgear/timing/timestamp.cxx,v
retrieving revision 1.5
diff -u -p -r1.5 timestamp.cxx
--- timestamp.cxx   8 Mar 2006 18:16:10 -   1.5
+++ timestamp.cxx   20 Aug 2006 14:36:56 -
@@ -72,8 +72,8 @@ void SGTimeStamp::stamp() {
 #if defined( WIN32 )  !defined(__CYGWIN__)
 unsigned int t;
 t = timeGetTime();
-seconds = 0;
-usec =  t * 1000;
+seconds = t / 1000;
+usec =  (t - seconds * 1000) * 1000;
 #elif defined( HAVE_GETTIMEOFDAY )
 struct timeval current;
 struct timezone tz;
@@ -105,20 +105,12 @@ void SGTimeStamp::stamp() {
 
 // increment the time stamp by the number of microseconds (usec)
 SGTimeStamp operator + (const SGTimeStamp t, const long m) {
-#if defined( WIN32 )  !defined(__CYGWIN__)
-return SGTimeStamp( 0, t.usec + m );
-#else
 return SGTimeStamp( t.seconds + ( t.usec + m ) / 100,
( t.usec + m ) % 100 );
-#endif
 }
 
 // difference between time stamps in microseconds (usec)
 long operator - (const SGTimeStamp a, const SGTimeStamp b)
 {
-#if defined( WIN32 )  !defined(__CYGWIN__)
-return a.usec - b.usec;
-#else
 return 100 * (a.seconds - b.seconds) + (a.usec - b.usec);
-#endif
 }
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Avro Vulcan B2 for CVS

2006-08-20 Thread Buchanan, Stuart

--- Ampere K. Hardraade wrote:
 On Saturday 19 August 2006 14:40, Carsten Vogel wrote:
  FULLFEATURE:
 

http://www.wh10.tu-dresden.de/~lego/fg/tempscreens/fgfs-screen-050-fullfeat
 ured.jpg
 hmm... alpha in texture... bad idea.

Why?



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Avro Vulcan B2 for CVS

2006-08-20 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Buchanan, Stuart -- Sunday 20 August 2006 22:22:
  hmm... alpha in texture... bad idea.
 
 Why?

Breaks volumetric shadows. Aircraft parts can't then cast shadows
on the aircraft. But apart from that I wouldn't say such textures
are evil. A bit slower to render, but that's not really a striking
argument.

m.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Avro Vulcan B2 for CVS

2006-08-20 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Buchanan, Stuart -- Sunday 20 August 2006 22:26:
 If you'd like to fix it, you are more than welcome. No authorization
 required.

OK. BTW: it's a bad idea to overwrite standard views (1 for copilot).
Additional views should IMHO only be added on the upper end.



 After all, that's one of the advantages of CVS - everyone can improve it.

True. But only if the creator/maintainer agrees. Otherwise I only fix
grave bugs (such as syntax errors, wrong paths, etc.). 

m.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Instrumentation tacan.cxx,

2006-08-20 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior Franz wrote:
 Update of /var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9/FlightGear/src/Instrumentation
 In directory baron:/tmp/cvs-serv28609
 
 Modified Files:
   tacan.cxx tacan.hxx 
 Log Message:
[...]

I'm sorry that I'm unable to deliver precise information tonight, still
I'd like to point out that this change causes segmentation fault on
Debian Linux/AMD64 (gcc-3.3.5) at aircraft loading time for almost
every aircraft that I just tried - except the YASim Rascal. JSBSim
aircraft are affected (including the Rascal) as well as YASim aircraft
(including the BO),

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS: FlightGear/src/Instrumentation tacan.cxx,

2006-08-20 Thread Melchior FRANZ
* Martin Spott -- Sunday 20 August 2006 23:44:
 I'm sorry that I'm unable to deliver precise information tonight, still
 I'd like to point out that this change causes segmentation fault on
 Debian Linux/AMD64 (gcc-3.3.5) 

Eeww. Anyway, without backtrace I can't do much. I'll look through the diff ...

m.

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Avro Vulcan B2 for CVS

2006-08-20 Thread Buchanan, Stuart

--- Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 * Carsten Vogel -- Saturday 19 August 2006 18:31:
  - view-rotating point is plane's nose not the center (irritating, and
 2x 
  views were inside plane)
 
 Add this to the view 2 and 3 definitions in the vulcan2b-set.xml file:
 
target-z-offset-m type=double archive=y16.7/target-z-offset-m
 
 Without that the outside view isn't really enjoyable. Unfortunately,
 Stuart didn't have the time to do it or authorize it.  :-/

If you'd like to fix it, you are more than welcome. No authorization
required.

After all, that's one of the advantages of CVS - everyone can improve it.

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[Flightgear-devel] VRP for Rascal110

2006-08-20 Thread Martin Spott
To Lee and/or Curt:

After our guest we had this evening asked me to take his new model
airplane out for a ride, I decided to check with the FlightGear Rascal
to renew my feeling for these small aircraft as I didn't fly any model
aircraft for more than twenty years.
I noticed that the aerodynamical center is located at the nose of the
Rascal 3D-model - the aircraft rotates around its nose-feature we
already saw with several other aircraft. Would one of the authors
consider to move the VRP to the respective location where it makes most
sense ?

Thanks a lot - I never expected that I some day would be tempted to use
FG as a model airplane trainer  :-)

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2006-08-20 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 * Martin Spott -- Sunday 20 August 2006 23:44:

 I'm sorry that I'm unable to deliver precise information tonight, still
 I'd like to point out that this change causes segmentation fault on
 Debian Linux/AMD64 (gcc-3.3.5) 
 
 Eeww. Anyway, without backtrace I can't do much.

I guessed   still, it's a bit late for me now, my wife has to get
up _really_ early during weekdays,

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] [Flightgear-cvslogs] CVS:

2006-08-20 Thread Martin Spott
Melchior FRANZ wrote:

 Eeww. Anyway, without backtrace I can't do much. I'll look through the diff 
 ...

Maybe one vague point to mention: The YASim Rascal loads nicely, but
appears to have no propulsion - it simply gets blown off the runway by
the wind. The JSBSim Rascal stops 'running'.
I'll have to rebuild the binary for debugging, the current backtrace
will be not very informative:

[...]
[New Thread 1082128752 (LWP 11249)]
  Model Author:  Author Name
  Creation Date: Creation Date
  Version:   Version
  Description:   Models a rascal

Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
---Type return to continue, or q return to quit---
[Switching to Thread 47460149624848 (LWP 11227)]
0x2b2a2c34ce46 in mallopt () from /lib/libc.so.6


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Avro Vulcan B2 for CVS

2006-08-20 Thread Ampere K. Hardraade
On Sunday 20 August 2006 16:25, Melchior FRANZ wrote:
 * Buchanan, Stuart -- Sunday 20 August 2006 22:22:
   hmm... alpha in texture... bad idea.
 
  Why?

 Breaks volumetric shadows. Aircraft parts can't then cast shadows
 on the aircraft. But apart from that I wouldn't say such textures
 are evil. A bit slower to render, but that's not really a striking
 argument.

 m.

It hit performance pretty hard.  That's why a lot of us avoid using it in 
textures.  Alpha in materials seem to be alright though.

Ampere

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] VRP for Rascal110

2006-08-20 Thread Lee Elliott
On Sunday 20 August 2006 22:53, Martin Spott wrote:
 To Lee and/or Curt:

 After our guest we had this evening asked me to take his new
 model airplane out for a ride, I decided to check with the
 FlightGear Rascal to renew my feeling for these small aircraft
 as I didn't fly any model aircraft for more than twenty years.
 I noticed that the aerodynamical center is located at the nose
 of the Rascal 3D-model - the aircraft rotates around its
 nose-feature we already saw with several other aircraft.
 Would one of the authors consider to move the VRP to the
 respective location where it makes most sense ?

 Thanks a lot - I never expected that I some day would be
 tempted to use FG as a model airplane trainer  :-)

   Martin.

I only did the model for Curt, who did all the rest, so I'll 
leave it to him unless he's too busy, in which case I can take a 
look.  Curt?

LeeE


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] VRP for Rascal110

2006-08-20 Thread Curtis L. Olson
Lee Elliott wrote:
 I only did the model for Curt, who did all the rest, so I'll 
 leave it to him unless he's too busy, in which case I can take a 
 look.  Curt?

I understand the issue of VRP, but have never gotten my head around the 
JSBsim implementation there of.  So if anyone wants to send me a patch, 
I'll happily commit it and try to learn something in the process.

Thanks,

Curt.

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[Flightgear-devel] apt.dat and debugging

2006-08-20 Thread Dave Sousa



First of all, I am new to the list and have enjoyed 
using FlightGear. Thanks to all who have contributed. I am a C++ 
programmer and am looking at FG from a hobbyist perspective without any 
simulation development experience.

I built FG using MSVC 2005, and the release build 
version works great. I tried to step through the code using the debugger, 
but it takes several minutes to load the apt.dat file. Is this normal, or 
is this specific to the MSVC IDE? Are there some command line parameters 
that could be set to mitigate this issue for debugging purposes?

I chose MSVC because that is what I use at work, 
but would be happy to try another IDE if that would solve the 
issue.

Dave
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Re: [Flightgear-devel] apt.dat and debugging

2006-08-20 Thread Pigeon
I built FG using MSVC 2005, and the release build version works
great.  I tried to step through the code using the debugger, but it
takes several minutes to load the apt.dat file.  Is this normal, or is
this specific to the MSVC IDE?  Are there some command line parameters
that could be set to mitigate this issue for debugging purposes?

I'm not sure about MSVC. On Linux I sometimes use valgrind (a memory
check/debug tool) with FG, and yes it is significantly slower.

What I did though was I have created a seperate FG root and use that
for debugging (via FG_ROOT environment variable or --fg-root). In this
debug FG root, I have trimmed down versions of apt.dat, nav.dat, etc,
which makes the debugging startup a lot faster. My apt.dat for debugging
has only nine airports that are around the default KSFO area.

Of course this assumes you're not trying to debug apt.dat or other
full data.

Similarly I also have a seperate debug preferences.xml passed using
--config.


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