Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters

2013-07-28 Thread Torsten Dreyer

Hi Alan,

thank you for your patch. I have a few, probably dumb questions:

* Isn't the your new integrator filter the same as a 
pi-simple-controller with Kp=1 and no min/max clamping?
* What would you think about extending the exponential filter to make it 
behave like a high-pass or low-pass like
typelow-pass/type or typehigh-pass/type. That would not double 
existing code.

* What is the purpose for adding alias names for existing filters?

Cheers,
Torsten


Am 27.07.2013 10:27, schrieb Alan Teeder:

*From:* Torsten Dreyer mailto:tors...@t3r.de
*Sent:* Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:47 AM
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*Subject:* Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters
Post a diff or the modified files or a link to a tarball here and I'll 
have a look.
Probably a good start for me to get back into the loop after almost 
two years of absence...


Torsten



Thanks Torsten.
The files are zipped at 
http://v-twin.dynip.sapo.pt/alan/FG/digitalfilter.zip. (10kb)
At some time I will need to add a means of initialising the Integral 
filter to a property.

Alan



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Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters

2013-07-28 Thread Alan Teeder
Torsten

Thanks for looking at my code.

Yes – there is already an integrator in the PI and PID filters. But the same 
can be said for derivative and gain. Min/max clamping via u-max and u-min 
appears to be working correctly in my integrator. Having a specific integrator 
filter makes the resultant XML file easier to read than hiding it inside a PI 
filter. It is also possible to make a washout filter from the existing gain and 
exponential filters.

I see nothing wrong with extending the exponential filter, if that improves the 
code. High-pass and low pass-are just different flavours of the same thing. I 
coded the high-pass filter separately as it seemed the easiest way for me to 
implement such a filter.

The aliases reflect the names that are in common usage. Lag and washout are 
used colloquially in control engineering, whilst high-pass and low-pass are 
rather more formal. The existing exponential filter name is too vague, and 
should be deprecated. It is true that a rate-limit can be used as a noise-spike 
filter, but there are other ways to remove spikes, so noise-spike should also 
be deprecated.

My overall intention is to make available the same building blocks which were 
used in analogue and early digital autopilots, and to use the same terminology.

For completeness, there may be a case for adding band-pass and band-stop 
filters, but these have very few applications in autopilots.

Alan



From: Torsten Dreyer 
Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2013 12:31 PM
To: FlightGear developers discussions 
Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters

Hi Alan,

thank you for your patch. I have a few, probably dumb questions:

* Isn't the your new integrator filter the same as a pi-simple-controller with 
Kp=1 and no min/max clamping?
* What would you think about extending the exponential filter to make it behave 
like a high-pass or low-pass like
typelow-pass/type or typehigh-pass/type. That would not double existing 
code.
* What is the purpose for adding alias names for existing filters? 

Cheers,
Torsten


Am 27.07.2013 10:27, schrieb Alan Teeder:



  From: Torsten Dreyer 
  Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 8:47 AM
  To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net 
  Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Autopilot filters

  Post a diff or the modified files or a link to a tarball here and I'll have a 
look.
  Probably a good start for me to get back into the loop after almost two years 
of absence...

  Torsten


  

  Thanks Torsten.

  The files are zipped at 
http://v-twin.dynip.sapo.pt/alan/FG/digitalfilter.zip. (10kb)

  At some time I will need to add a means of initialising the Integral filter 
to a  property.

  Alan







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