Re: [Flightgear-devel] June / LinuxTag release
James, Did you get this ping? Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca From: Christian Menge [mailto:cme...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 10:33 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] June / LinuxTag release James, We might be interested in helping out with the Windows build. We have access to a linux shared server and several Windows 7 machines with Visual Studio 2008 / 2010. Let me know if this works for you? Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 christ...@freedomworks.ca www.freedomworks.ca On reFri, May 7, 2010 at 12:06 PM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: I want to make a 2.1 FG release, at the end of this month, or the very start of June. As far as I can see, the current code is pretty good - many bugs have been fixed since 2.0, and while I'm sure some new ones have crept in, I don't have many code quality concerns - if we were to cut tarballs from the source code today, we'd definitely be in a better place than 2.0 in terms of bugs. (If people know of regressions from 2.0, or regressions in 2.0 from 1.9.x, I hope they would mention them here, or even in the bugtracker) Anyway, the key thing - what are the steps to make a release happen. I'm seeking to capture the actual steps (and ideally script them), so even if Curt Durk both get hit by the proverbial bus tomorrow, we can still make a Flightgear release ever again. But also, I'm seeking to remove the human factors from the release process, and especially not feel that we're overloading people just because a release needs to happen - eg, around LinuxTag Durk is often quite busy organising things :) My build system ( http://zakalawe.ath.cx:8080/ ) is working well for Mac and Linux - MinGW is giving me some pain, I will look into cross-compiling mingw this weekend. If anyone wants to volunteer some time, a Windows box with Visual Studio, some disk space, and bandwidth, I am happy to work with them to get an automated VS build going. Adding more automated steps, even ones which only happen for 'special' builds (eg, a release candidate) is extremely trivial. Regards, James -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Windows Telnet Problem
Hey Guys, We are developing a custom / demo panel and trying to work with FG telnet. When trying to run the server we get the following error. COMMAND: fgfs -telnet=5401 ERROR: Base package check failed . Found version [none] at: ..\data Please upgrade to version: 2.0.0 o/s IS Windows 7 with FlightGear V2.0.0 Thanks! Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] June / LinuxTag release
James, We do not have a Windows build setup yet but are looking into developing with FlightGear sometime over the next couple months. I offered as I thought you might be able to help us setup a build environment. In return for the assistance I was willing to offer some of our company bandwidth for the FG community. Cheers! Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca From: James Turner [mailto:zakal...@mac.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 5:46 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] June / LinuxTag release On 10 May 2010, at 13:55, Christian Menge wrote: Did you get this ping? Apologies, yes, but it's been a busy few days. For various reasons, I'd like to have a reliable Windows build locally, before I waste other people's time (unless you have time and energy to burn yourself). I have the mingw build kind-of working now, though I need to test the resulting executables, and then I'll be happier to add other build configurations (I want to look at cross-compiling from Linux too). If you already have Flightgear building from source on suitable Windows box, I can summarise the approximate steps to automate things, but I'm learning as I go, hence my comments about wasting people's time :) James === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) http://www.pctools.com http://www.pctools.com/?cclick=EmailFooterClean_51 === -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Telnet Problem
Stefan, I'll give your suggestion a try, thanks! The data / info I had was from the wiki and from the README file included with the latest build. Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -Original Message- From: stefan riemens [mailto:fgfs.ste...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 4:33 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Telnet Problem You should use the --fg-root= flag to point fg to your data tree! 2010/5/10, Christian Menge christ...@freedomworks.ca: Hey Guys, We are developing a custom / demo panel and trying to work with FG telnet. When trying to run the server we get the following error. COMMAND: fgfs -telnet=5401 ERROR: Base package check failed . Found version [none] at: ..\data Please upgrade to version: 2.0.0 o/s IS Windows 7 with FlightGear V2.0.0 Thanks! Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel === Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.18, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.14960) http://www.pctools.com/ === -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] June / LinuxTag release
James, We might be interested in helping out with the Windows build. We have access to a linux shared server and several Windows 7 machines with Visual Studio 2008 / 2010. Let me know if this works for you? Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 christ...@freedomworks.ca www.freedomworks.ca On reFri, May 7, 2010 at 12:06 PM, James Turner zakal...@mac.com wrote: I want to make a 2.1 FG release, at the end of this month, or the very start of June. As far as I can see, the current code is pretty good - many bugs have been fixed since 2.0, and while I'm sure some new ones have crept in, I don't have many code quality concerns - if we were to cut tarballs from the source code today, we'd definitely be in a better place than 2.0 in terms of bugs. (If people know of regressions from 2.0, or regressions in 2.0 from 1.9.x, I hope they would mention them here, or even in the bugtracker) Anyway, the key thing - what are the steps to make a release happen. I'm seeking to capture the actual steps (and ideally script them), so even if Curt Durk both get hit by the proverbial bus tomorrow, we can still make a Flightgear release ever again. But also, I'm seeking to remove the human factors from the release process, and especially not feel that we're overloading people just because a release needs to happen - eg, around LinuxTag Durk is often quite busy organising things :) My build system ( http://zakalawe.ath.cx:8080/ ) is working well for Mac and Linux - MinGW is giving me some pain, I will look into cross-compiling mingw this weekend. If anyone wants to volunteer some time, a Windows box with Visual Studio, some disk space, and bandwidth, I am happy to work with them to get an automated VS build going. Adding more automated steps, even ones which only happen for 'special' builds (eg, a release candidate) is extremely trivial. Regards, James -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiple istance of FlightGear
Pete, Can you define what you mean by hard code ? Thanks! Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca From: Peter Morgan [mailto:p...@freeflightsim.org] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2010 6:14 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Multiple istance of FlightGear I tried this once before.. found that you need to hardcode the IP addresses.. hope it works pete On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 2:33 PM, luca nastro liuk_skyla...@hotmail.com wrote: Error! Filename not specified.Visualizza caratteri romani Hi, I have a problem: I launch 2 istance FlightGear on two different hosts. I followed the guide describes how to have multi-monitor: fgfs1 - native-fdm = socket, out, 60, IP-host2, 5500, udp fgfs2 - native-fdm = socket, in, 60,, 5500, udp - fdm = null But these lines of command shall ensure that the controls (acceleration, pitch, yaw, etc. ..), the FDM and viewing occurs on fgfs1 while fgfs2 is on display. I want to fgfs1 there are the flight controls, while there is fgfs2 on the FDM and visualization. thanks in advance Luke _ Avatar per Messenger e sfondo per il PC Creali gratis! http://www.experience..windows.com/landing2.aspx?culture=it-it -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14920 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Ron, That was very helpful as we will not waist any time working with JSBSim and jump right into reviewing YASim. Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 christ...@freedomworks.ca www.freedomworks.ca On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Ron Jensen w...@jentronics.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 07:21 -0400, Christian Menge wrote: Hi Guys, Appreciate the comments. We come from the X-Plane and ESP world. Personally I have just over 1000 hrs flight time in many Bell products, Bell 206, 204 / 205, 212 and 412. Currently I'm running a simulation consulting company that is seriously thinking about investing some money into growing with FlightGear. We are at the stage of simply getting a better understanding of FG and it's capabilities. From what I'm reading it looks like FG would be a good procedural trainer but may involve some work to bring things to a point where we could use it for helicopter flight training exercises like auto-rotation. The only real challenge I see is the creation of new aircraft. Has anyone looked into developing a plan maker similar to what x-plane offers? How might we start the process of creating new realistic aircraft simulations? Thanks! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 christ...@freedomworks.ca www.freedomworks.ca FlightGear currently uses two different approaches to flight modeling aircraft: YASim and JSBSim. YASim http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/YASim takes as its input physical descriptions of the aircraft and data points on stall speeds, approach speeds, throttle settings, etc. It then tries to calculate equations of flight from those physical descriptions. It is aimed at users who don't have a grasp of theoretical aerodynamics. JSBSim http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/ provides a basic frame work and allows the aircraft creator to build up the coefficients and equations of flight. It is aimed at users who have a good grasp of aerodynamic theory. Unfortunately, at this time JSBSim does not provide a rotor simulation module. It might be possible to create rotors in the aerodynamic module, though. It is really that flexible. I have heard a group modeling a quadracopter that did just that, but they did not release their results. Needless to say, since there currently isn't support for rotors in JSBSim all the current flightgear helicopters are YASim. Hope this helped, Ron -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hi Guys, Appreciate the comments. We come from the X-Plane and ESP world. Personally I have just over 1000 hrs flight time in many Bell products, Bell 206, 204 / 205, 212 and 412. Currently I'm running a simulation consulting company that is seriously thinking about investing some money into growing with FlightGear. We are at the stage of simply getting a better understanding of FG and it's capabilities. From what I'm reading it looks like FG would be a good procedural trainer but may involve some work to bring things to a point where we could use it for helicopter flight training exercises like auto-rotation. The only real challenge I see is the creation of new aircraft. Has anyone looked into developing a plan maker similar to what x-plane offers? How might we start the process of creating new realistic aircraft simulations? Thanks! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca From: Heiko Schulz [mailto:aeitsch...@yahoo.de] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 5:02 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD Hi, On the one side we have free available datas provided by the NASA. The Bo105 and the Aircrane uses the same data, a MD500 would be also possible. Maik did all the work! Derivated from the Bo105-data is the weight and balance for the EC135, so this heli behaves regarding in weight and balance like given in the manual. And then of course, we have a real Bell UH1-pilot as user, who tested the FGFS's UH-1 and was really impressed. Heiko still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html --- James Sleeman flightg...@gogo.co.nz schrieb am Mi, 31.3.2010: Von: James Sleeman flightg...@gogo.co.nz Betreff: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD An: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Datum: Mittwoch, 31. März, 2010 02:23 Uhr On 31/03/10 12:57, Heiko Schulz wrote: The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Purely out of interest, what is the assessment of realism based on, have you/somebody actual real world experience UH-1 piloting and compared to FG, or is it more the numbers seem right and it doesn't really do anything weird, so probably realistic? -Integrierter Anhang folgt- -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev -Integrierter Anhang folgt- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14670 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hi Guys, Appreciate the comments. We come from the X-Plane and ESP world. Personally I have just over 1000 hrs flight time in many Bell products, Bell 206, 204 / 205, 212 and 412. Currently I'm running a simulation consulting company that is seriously thinking about investing some money into growing with FlightGear. We are at the stage of simply getting a better understanding of FG and it's capabilities. From what I'm reading it looks like FG would be a good procedural trainer but may involve some work to bring things to a point where we could use it for helicopter flight training exercises like auto-rotation. The only real challenge I see is the creation of new aircraft. Has anyone looked into developing a plan maker similar to what x-plane offers? How might we start the process of creating new realistic aircraft simulations? Thanks! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 christ...@freedomworks.ca www.freedomworks.ca On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, Hello Christian, the helicopter flight model is very realistic, for my point of view it is the the most realistic flight model which is available for normal PC users. The setup of the configuration is a bit tricky, esp. for the auto-rotation, therefore it does not work realistic for most helicopters in flightgear, but the hornet (an autogyro) is simulated well in flightgear. The helicopters with the most realistic flightmodels in flightgear are: bo105 aircrane uh1 Best regards, Maik The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Unfortunately as helijah corrected the fuselage shape in YASim, he broke the whole balance settings. Tensors and CoG seems not right anymore, visible as the whole aircraft is turning on ground with stopped engine. That didn't happen before. I don't find the time right now to look and fix it, but maybe in 2-3 weeks unless someone other is faster. Regards Heiko. __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hi Maik, This is very helpful information, Thank you! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 christ...@freedomworks.ca www.freedomworks.ca On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Maik Justus mjus...@gmx.de wrote: Hello, yes, the FDM for the Bo105, Aircrane und UH1 are tuned to match the data given in some NASA Reports, in particular Report NASA-CR-3144 A compilation and analysis of helicopter handling qualities data. Volume 1: Data compilation, which is public available. This report contains the most comprehensive data collection I ever found for helicopter. It describes the static and dynamic parameters of five different helicopter. E.g. control and power settings for a lot of different flight attitudes containing the dynamic reaction for changing each of the controls. Therefore I can note: As long as you stay within normal operation limits the three mentioned flightgear helicopter behave(d) very realistic. For out-of-normal-operation-limits I have no data to compare. Best regards, Maik Heiko Schulz schrieb am 31.03.2010 11:02: Hi, On the one side we have free available datas provided by the NASA. The Bo105 and the Aircrane uses the same data, a MD500 would be also possible. Maik did all the work! Derivated from the Bo105-data is the weight and balance for the EC135, so this heli behaves regarding in weight and balance like given in the manual. And then of course, we have a real Bell UH1-pilot as user, who tested the FGFS's UH-1 and was really impressed. Heiko still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html --- James Sleeman /flightg...@gogo.co.nz/ schrieb am *Mi, 31.3.2010: Von: James Sleeman flightg...@gogo.co.nz Betreff: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD An: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Datum: Mittwoch, 31. März, 2010 02:23 Uhr On 31/03/10 12:57, Heiko Schulz wrote: The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Purely out of interest, what is the assessment of realism based on, have you/somebody actual real world experience UH-1 piloting and compared to FG, or is it more the numbers seem right and it doesn't really do anything weird, so probably realistic? -Integrierter Anhang folgt- -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev -Integrierter Anhang folgt- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net /mc/compose?to=flightgear-de...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel * __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear
[Flightgear-devel] New Helicopter Models
Hey Guys, Can anyone start us down the path of how to create a new helicopter model / type? We are coming from the X-Plane world where creating new aircraft was done using tools provided by the developer and made the process somewhat straight forward. Recommendations? Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hi Developers, We are looking into the idea of creating an Helicopter (rotary) FAA AATD. Does anyone have any comments / thoughts about the quality of flight modeling for rotary wing aircraft in FlightGear? This is an important question as students must have the ability of practicing advanced maneuvers like auto-rotation and this can be a very complicated feature to model properly. Thanks! Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] build on Windows; dependencies?
Hi Guys, Few months back we spent a couple days trying to compile FG on Windows using the FG Wiki and did not have any luck. This is a very frustrating point for people who only work with windows and would like to contribute but don't have a clear document or path on how to make this work. Geoff, I appreciate your efforts in creating your own custom build process but we could not get your files to work. I'm sure there are many developers running Windows that can provide effective contribution to this project but can't because of the difficult build process. Can someone explain why this has not been addressed? Thanks! Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -Original Message- From: stan.mar...@l-3com.com [mailto:stan.mar...@l-3com.com] Sent: Friday, February 26, 2010 2:29 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] build on Windows; dependencies? Csaba and Geoff, Thanks for your replies. I should have specified that I am trying to build FlightGear 1.9.1, downloaded 2/3/2010 from flightgear.org at which time it was the most current release (I see 2.0.0 is now out). I initially started to build just SimGear, same version, downloaded from www.simgear.org on the same day, using the similar solution file found under simgear/projects/VC8. I am using the VS8 solution files found in the projects subdirectory (projects/VC8) to build both FlightGear and SimGear. Pthreads is needed in SimGear sgthread.hxx. Per Geoff's post, they are required for SGThread. As you say, if SGThread is no longer required, it could be deleted and the dependency on pthread thereby removed. Meanwhile I downloaded POSIX Threads for Win32 from http://sourceware.org/pthreads-win32/ which got me over that problem. The Boost library was procured and having the headers solved my build issues. I'll still gently suggest that maybe Boost should be avoided if the use is minimal, which it currently is. If there is consensus in the community that it should be used, then it probably should be used extensively. Might as well! I am having another problem with 1.9.1, however. The project for FlightGearLib includes a number of files which appear to have moved in the download source tree. All were supposedly under the src/ATC path. They seem to have moved to src/ATCDCL directory instead. Here are the offenders: AIEntity.cxx AIGAVFRTraffic.cxx AILocalTraffic.cxx AIMgr.cxx AIPlane.cxx approach.cxx ATC.cxx ATCDialog.cxx ATCmgr.cxx ATCProjection.cxx ATCutils.cxx ATCvoice.cxx atis.cxx commlist.cxx ground.cxx tower.cxx transmission.cxx transmissionlist.cxx A few other files are turning up missing as well: src/FDM/Balloon.cxx src/fdm/balloon/BalloonSim.cpp src/FDM/MagicCarpet.cxx src/Scenery/newcache.cxx src/GUI/puList.cxx src/GUI/sgVec3Slider.cxx src/Scenery/tileentry.cxx src/Airports/trafficcontrol.cxx src/Main/FGManipulator.cxx trafficcontrol.cxx appears to be the lone occupant of src/ATC. I haven't found the others yet. Stan -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC distributed node system
Mathias, I'm not sure if this will help but there is an open source project that is currently making use of the HLA/IEEE1516 standard. Check out - www.delta3d.org Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -Original Message- From: Mathias Fröhlich [mailto:mathias.froehl...@gmx.net] Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 2:21 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] RFC distributed node system Hi, On Friday 08 January 2010 16:27:06 Torsten Napierala wrote: I have made a short description about a proposal for a distributed node system for FlightGear. Please have a look at http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/Distributed_node_system_for_FlightGear and comment. If I have a little bit free time I will build a prototyp. There is some work going on to make use of an existing standard for realtime simulations HLA/IEEE1516 for that purpose. I expect the code landing just past the upcomming release. So, overall targeting at the topics you wrote on the wiki as well as better interoperability with existing standard components by using an industry standard for the communication. So, stay tuned, and when the first bunch of framework has landed, help is welcome. Greetings Mathias -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Towards the new Release
Benoît, Currently we are working with Windows and building out of the box for this O/S would be a big help. Let us know if we can be of any assistance. Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -Original Message- From: Benoît Laniel [mailto:n...@pgroupe.net] Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 4:25 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Towards the new Release Le mardi 05 janvier 2010 à 21:24 +0100, Benoît Laniel a écrit : I managed to make sort of an SDK for cross compiling using the great fgfs-builder by Ralf Gerlich some time ago. Last time I updated my win32/mingw32 patches was in august though. However, I think I will have time to update them and provide the instructions if you will. Hello again, I had time this week-end to work on FlightGear. I uploaded the 'SDK' on http://blaniel.free.fr/pub/flightgear/win32/ It contains all the patches and instructions on how to build a win32 version of fg/fgrun from a Linux box (I use Debian squeeze). As Heiko Schulz pointed out, there's a bug with yasim/nasal in this version. I'll try to work on this. Maybe we could work together with Vivian Meazza so FG can be compiled with MSVC and mingw out of the box ? Benoît -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems
Hi Stuart, Thanks for the help. I did notice the I/O system and we read through one of the samples yesterday. I'm happy to hear that others have used FG for FAA approved training. How would I track some of these companies down? Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -Original Message- From: Stuart Buchanan [mailto:stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:34 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems Christian Menge wrote: I'll be sure to send any build questions but for now we need to run a bunch of assessment tests to verify that FG can provide the tools needed for FAA / AATD Certification with the C172. Initial observation looks good, except for no Instructor Station. I'm investigating what kind of effort it will take for us to develop an IOS and writing some drivers for our hardware. Creating an instructor station should be fairly straightforward. In fact, I believe it has already been done by other commercial adaptions of FG, though I'm not sure the specific FAA certification they were targeting. We have a very flexible I/O system that allows an external program to write to the internal state of the simulator (the property tree), plus telnet and HTTP interfaces. There are documents in data/Docs that will be of interest. In particular see data/Docs/README.IO. Writing a client to these interfaces is pretty easy. Have a look under source/scripts for example java, perl, and python clients. -Stuart -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems
Hi Geoff, I quickly reviewed your links; this will be helpful information. I'm particularly impressed and interested with the networking / web capabilities as this will allow for easier integration of multiple simulation stations and a master IOS. Being new to FG there is a lot of data to review and process. We very much appreciate yours efforts and others on this list to help. I'll be sure to update with our progress. Respectfully Yours, Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -Original Message- From: Geoff McLane [mailto:ubu...@geoffair.info] Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 10:10 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems Hi Christian, Building on Stuart's reply, while I do not know how, or where to track down other companies using FG for FAA approved training - I will leave that for others to respond - I did do some very simple I/O stuff using MS C# back in 2008! This was built on some efforts from this blog - http://linkslink.wordpress.com/takeoff/ where he built a simple physical model to react to FG, over the COM1 port... I took his C# example, and modified it, per my page - http://geoffair.net/fg/fgfs-046.htm which includes a source download, but maybe this is far too simple to be of any real help... But it does show the expansive capabilities of the FG I/O, based on reading and setting values in FG's 'property tree', which I think of as a big 'public' array of - 'string/path' = 'value', that controls all aspects of the 'simulation'. As you have no doubt found, you can view this 'property tree' using FG's own menu File - Browse Internal Properties option, but it can also be 'seen' in any web browser using the say the $ fgfs --hpptd= option, as also mentioned on the above page 046... HTH, Geoff. PS: still working on updating my site... On Tue, 2010-01-05 at 08:58 -0500, Christian Menge wrote: Hi Stuart, Thanks for the help. I did notice the I/O system and we read through one of the samples yesterday. I'm happy to hear that others have used FG for FAA approved training. How would I track some of these companies down? Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -Original Message- From: Stuart Buchanan [mailto:stuart_d_bucha...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2010 3:34 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems Christian Menge wrote: I'll be sure to send any build questions but for now we need to run a bunch of assessment tests to verify that FG can provide the tools needed for FAA / AATD Certification with the C172. Initial observation looks good, except for no Instructor Station. I'm investigating what kind of effort it will take for us to develop an IOS and writing some drivers for our hardware. Creating an instructor station should be fairly straightforward. In fact, I believe it has already been done by other commercial adaptions of FG, though I'm not sure the specific FAA certification they were targeting. We have a very flexible I/O system that allows an external program to write to the internal state of the simulator (the property tree), plus telnet and HTTP interfaces. There are documents in data/Docs that will be of interest. In particular see data/Docs/README.IO. Writing a client to these interfaces is pretty easy. Have a look under source/scripts for example java, perl, and python clients. -Stuart -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems
Dear Dev, I hope this is the proper place to post this question. If not please direct to the appropriate list / forum. We are currently looking into AATD certification (C172) of FlightGear. Certification requires use of the GPS system and I have been told that means we must use Windows. I have spent the better part of a day using the Wiki instructions at FG web site and Geoff McLane's on how to build on Windows but neither works. Is there anyone that can give us some direction as to building for Windows? Cheers! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems
Vivian, Thanks for responding to my note. We have only have this week possibly next to review FG and make a decision about moving forward or not with AATD certification. If you could send us a current build that would help with the immediate requirements. If we decide to use FG with our flight simulation hardware I will do what I can to help with updating the Windows build Wiki as this will be out development platform. Cheers! Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:09 AM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems Christian, FG-cvs build on MSVC9 is indeed broken atm - I have forward a patch to Tim Moore, but it seems to have gone down a black hole in hyperspace. Geoff McLane's instructions more or less work, the ones on the wiki have definitely been overtaken by events. That said, I can let you have a binary of the latest cvs-head (after my patch), or the solution/project files which I currently use. Or you might like to paste the errors that you are getting somewhere. It's not entirely straightforward for the first build, but thereafter it's a piece of cake (until some Linux dev pulls it all apart again J) HTH Vivian -Original Message- From: Christian Menge [mailto:christ...@freedomworks.ca] Sent: 04 January 2010 15:57 To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems Dear Dev, I hope this is the proper place to post this question. If not please direct to the appropriate list / forum. We are currently looking into AATD certification (C172) of FlightGear. Certification requires use of the GPS system and I have been told that means we must use Windows. I have spent the better part of a day using the Wiki instructions at FG web site and Geoff McLane's on how to build on Windows but neither works. Is there anyone that can give us some direction as to building for Windows? Cheers! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems
Hi Geoff, Good to hear from you and thanks for the Windows build web site. I can see you have put a lot of time and effort into your posts. I'll be sure to send any build questions but for now we need to run a bunch of assessment tests to verify that FG can provide the tools needed for FAA / AATD Certification with the C172. Initial observation looks good, except for no Instructor Station. I'm investigating what kind of effort it will take for us to develop an IOS and writing some drivers for our hardware. If you have any build updates for Windows please let us know. Thanks! Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -Original Message- From: Geoff McLane [mailto:ubu...@geoffair.info] Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 1:16 PM To: FlightGear developers discussions Cc: Vivian Meazza Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems Hi Christian, Yes, sorry my 'Build Center' is so out of date. I hope to add an update over the coming days... and will blip you when I do. And, as part of that will include updated - FG\project\VC90 build files, plus new config.h.msvc files, as well as my own all-in-one 'system' build... and binaries are included... We have recently had a few major 'systems' overhauls in CVS, but are hopefully headed towards a new release this month... and my last WIN32 build felt pretty 'stable' As Vivian points out, 'It’s not entirely straightforward for the first build,' nice understatement ;=()... due to the fact that, except perhaps for OpenAL SDK, you must download and compile ALL the prerequisites sources in WIN32. But as also pointed out, if you have any specific problems, errors, then either contacts us directly, or through this board, and we will try to help... Regards, Geoff. SITE: http://geoffair.net/fg/fgfs-047.htm On Mon, 2010-01-04 at 11:29 -0500, Christian Menge wrote: Vivian, Thanks for responding to my note. We have only have this week possibly next to review FG and make a decision about moving forward or not with AATD certification. If you could send us a current build that would help with the immediate requirements. If we decide to use FG with our flight simulation hardware I will do what I can to help with updating the Windows build Wiki as this will be out development platform. Cheers! Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca From: Vivian Meazza [mailto:vivian.mea...@lineone.net] Sent: Monday, January 04, 2010 11:09 AM To: 'FlightGear developers discussions' Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems Christian, FG-cvs build on MSVC9 is indeed broken atm – I have forward a patch to Tim Moore, but it seems to have gone down a black hole in hyperspace. Geoff McLane’s instructions more or less work, the ones on the wiki have definitely been overtaken by events. That said, I can let you have a binary of the latest cvs-head (after my patch), or the solution/project files which I currently use. Or you might like to paste the errors that you are getting somewhere. It’s not entirely straightforward for the first build, but thereafter it’s a piece of cake (until some Linux dev pulls it all apart again J) HTH Vivian -Original Message- From: Christian Menge [mailto:christ...@freedomworks.ca] Sent: 04 January 2010 15:57 To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Flightgear-devel] Windows Build Problems Dear Dev, I hope this is the proper place to post this question. If not please direct to the appropriate list / forum. We are currently looking into AATD certification (C172) of FlightGear. Certification requires use of the GPS system and I have been told that means we must use Windows. I have spent the better part of a day using the Wiki instructions at FG web site and Geoff McLane’s on how to build on Windows but neither works. Is there anyone that can give us some direction as to building for Windows? Cheers! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- This SF.Net email is sponsored
[Flightgear-devel] FightGear - C172r AATD
FlightGear Dev, We are new to the FlightGear community. FreedomWorks is a consulting and development company that specializes in 3D interactive simulation and robotics. Flight simulation is a large part of our business. We have many years experience integrating X-Plane and Microsoft ESP / FSX, including FAA approval for MS ESP. We are currently in the process of investigating the viability of using FlightGear for a Cessna 172r FAA Advanced Aviation Training Device (AATF) as laid out in Advisory Circular No: 61-136, AC 61-126 and AC 120-45a. FAA Approval of Basic and Advanced Aviation training Devices. I have a couple questions and was hoping you could help: (1)Has any type of FAA approval been accomplished using FG? (2)Is there anyone currently working on FAA approval using FG? (3)Are you aware of any major road-blocks to FAA AATD approval? After a high-level review we are very excited about the potential of using your software with our hardware and look forward to your feedback. Respectfully Yours, Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Verizon Developer Community Take advantage of Verizon's best-in-class app development support A streamlined, 14 day to market process makes app distribution fast and easy Join now and get one step closer to millions of Verizon customers http://p.sf.net/sfu/verizon-dev2dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
