Re: [Flightgear-devel] FC12 openal and pulseaudio question
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM, dave perry wrote: Hi, I used the preupgrade to FC12 from FC10 this Saturday on my ASUS notebook (Intel core2 duo). This installed openal-soft-1.10.622-2 openal-soft-devel-1.10.622-2 and pulseaudio-0.9.21-1 I had to use OpenSceneGraph-2.9.5 as the svn up for osg broke fgfs link. With the above I either get good frame rates (same as in FC10) and no sound or crackly sound with very low frame rates depending on how I launch fgfs. Question: What versions of openal and pulseaudio are others with FC12 using that give good sound and performance? I have a machine here where I did the upgrade from Fedora 10 to Fedora 11 and I see similar symptoms to what you report in your FC10-FC12 upgrade. For the most part, all other audio apps are just fine on this machine. I can play youtube videos, I can play mp3's and audio CD's. I hear the desktop sound effects, etc. But audio for FlightGear has been totally hosed since my upgrade. I have another machine (laptop) which I installed FC11 directly, and audio with respect to FlightGear is better. I generally hear what I should here, but there is quite a bit of static/crackling mixed in, so it is far from perfect. Erik mentioned running openal-info or alcinfo, but neither of these are installed on my machine with my version of openal or alc: $ rpm -aq openal openal-0.0.9-0.17.20060204cvs.fc11.i586 As others have pointed out, pulseaudio (despite it's imperfections) is installed by default on a lot of current distributions. It seems like we should try to find a way to work with it some how. I personally don't want to uninstall pulseaudio from my system and then have to struggle with all my other individual apps to reconfigure their audio and get them back to a working state ... right now, FlightGear seems to be the only app I have that isn't playing nice with pulseaudio. Even my virtual machine (windows XP running inside my Linux host) happily plays all it's sound effects through my linux host system. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FC12 openal and pulseaudio question
Update on symptoms: I went back to osg-2.8.2, updated SimGear, fgfs, and data from cvs. Recall that I upgraded from FC10 to FC12 using preupgrade. Sound is fine in several other applications. My first run of fgfs had no sound and great frame rates (throttled to 30) at KHAF and KSFO. When I used file Quit Exit to try and end fgfs, it locks up completely. If I minimize the window and then maximize the window, it is black. I then used Applications System Tools System Monitor to kill the fgfs process. fgfs process is using 100% of cpu before I kill it. When I restart fgfs, it has very poor frame rate and crackly sound. If I kill the pulseaudio process, and then run fgfs, pulseaudio process is back, I am back to no sound and great frame rates and when I exit fgfs, it locks up again. Anyone successfully using fgfs with sound in FC12? Dave P. Curtis Olson wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM, dave perry wrote: Hi, I used the preupgrade to FC12 from FC10 this Saturday on my ASUS notebook (Intel core2 duo). This installed openal-soft-1.10.622-2 openal-soft-devel-1.10.622-2 and pulseaudio-0.9.21-1 I had to use OpenSceneGraph-2.9.5 as the svn up for osg broke fgfs link. With the above I either get good frame rates (same as in FC10) and no sound or crackly sound with very low frame rates depending on how I launch fgfs. Question: What versions of openal and pulseaudio are others with FC12 using that give good sound and performance? I have a machine here where I did the upgrade from Fedora 10 to Fedora 11 and I see similar symptoms to what you report in your FC10-FC12 upgrade. For the most part, all other audio apps are just fine on this machine. I can play youtube videos, I can play mp3's and audio CD's. I hear the desktop sound effects, etc. But audio for FlightGear has been totally hosed since my upgrade. I have another machine (laptop) which I installed FC11 directly, and audio with respect to FlightGear is better. I generally hear what I should here, but there is quite a bit of static/crackling mixed in, so it is far from perfect. Erik mentioned running openal-info or alcinfo, but neither of these are installed on my machine with my version of openal or alc: $ rpm -aq openal openal-0.0.9-0.17.20060204cvs.fc11.i586 As others have pointed out, pulseaudio (despite it's imperfections) is installed by default on a lot of current distributions. It seems like we should try to find a way to work with it some how. I personally don't want to uninstall pulseaudio from my system and then have to struggle with all my other individual apps to reconfigure their audio and get them back to a working state ... right now, FlightGear seems to be the only app I have that isn't playing nice with pulseaudio. Even my virtual machine (windows XP running inside my Linux host) happily plays all it's sound effects through my linux host system. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FC12 openal and pulseaudio question
I'm currently compiling the current cvs, I'll tell you the result when that finishes... (may be tomorrow, data updates are pretty long-taking...) Stefan 2009/11/29, dave perry skida...@mindspring.com: Update on symptoms: I went back to osg-2.8.2, updated SimGear, fgfs, and data from cvs. Recall that I upgraded from FC10 to FC12 using preupgrade. Sound is fine in several other applications. My first run of fgfs had no sound and great frame rates (throttled to 30) at KHAF and KSFO. When I used file Quit Exit to try and end fgfs, it locks up completely. If I minimize the window and then maximize the window, it is black. I then used Applications System Tools System Monitor to kill the fgfs process. fgfs process is using 100% of cpu before I kill it. When I restart fgfs, it has very poor frame rate and crackly sound. If I kill the pulseaudio process, and then run fgfs, pulseaudio process is back, I am back to no sound and great frame rates and when I exit fgfs, it locks up again. Anyone successfully using fgfs with sound in FC12? Dave P. Curtis Olson wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM, dave perry wrote: Hi, I used the preupgrade to FC12 from FC10 this Saturday on my ASUS notebook (Intel core2 duo). This installed openal-soft-1.10.622-2 openal-soft-devel-1.10.622-2 and pulseaudio-0.9.21-1 I had to use OpenSceneGraph-2.9.5 as the svn up for osg broke fgfs link. With the above I either get good frame rates (same as in FC10) and no sound or crackly sound with very low frame rates depending on how I launch fgfs. Question: What versions of openal and pulseaudio are others with FC12 using that give good sound and performance? I have a machine here where I did the upgrade from Fedora 10 to Fedora 11 and I see similar symptoms to what you report in your FC10-FC12 upgrade. For the most part, all other audio apps are just fine on this machine. I can play youtube videos, I can play mp3's and audio CD's. I hear the desktop sound effects, etc. But audio for FlightGear has been totally hosed since my upgrade. I have another machine (laptop) which I installed FC11 directly, and audio with respect to FlightGear is better. I generally hear what I should here, but there is quite a bit of static/crackling mixed in, so it is far from perfect. Erik mentioned running openal-info or alcinfo, but neither of these are installed on my machine with my version of openal or alc: $ rpm -aq openal openal-0.0.9-0.17.20060204cvs.fc11.i586 As others have pointed out, pulseaudio (despite it's imperfections) is installed by default on a lot of current distributions. It seems like we should try to find a way to work with it some how. I personally don't want to uninstall pulseaudio from my system and then have to struggle with all my other individual apps to reconfigure their audio and get them back to a working state ... right now, FlightGear seems to be the only app I have that isn't playing nice with pulseaudio. Even my virtual machine (windows XP running inside my Linux host) happily plays all it's sound effects through my linux host system. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FC12 openal and pulseaudio question
Problem fixed. Great sound including vor and loc idents. The problem was FC10 rpms that did not get removed. alsa-plugins-pulseaudio were the issue. Sorry for the noise. dave perry wrote: Update on symptoms: I went back to osg-2.8.2, updated SimGear, fgfs, and data from cvs. Recall that I upgraded from FC10 to FC12 using preupgrade. Sound is fine in several other applications. My first run of fgfs had no sound and great frame rates (throttled to 30) at KHAF and KSFO. When I used file Quit Exit to try and end fgfs, it locks up completely. If I minimize the window and then maximize the window, it is black. I then used Applications System Tools System Monitor to kill the fgfs process. fgfs process is using 100% of cpu before I kill it. When I restart fgfs, it has very poor frame rate and crackly sound. If I kill the pulseaudio process, and then run fgfs, pulseaudio process is back, I am back to no sound and great frame rates and when I exit fgfs, it locks up again. Anyone successfully using fgfs with sound in FC12? Dave P. Curtis Olson wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 8:31 PM, dave perry wrote: Hi, I used the preupgrade to FC12 from FC10 this Saturday on my ASUS notebook (Intel core2 duo). This installed openal-soft-1.10.622-2 openal-soft-devel-1.10.622-2 and pulseaudio-0.9.21-1 I had to use OpenSceneGraph-2.9.5 as the svn up for osg broke fgfs link. With the above I either get good frame rates (same as in FC10) and no sound or crackly sound with very low frame rates depending on how I launch fgfs. Question: What versions of openal and pulseaudio are others with FC12 using that give good sound and performance? I have a machine here where I did the upgrade from Fedora 10 to Fedora 11 and I see similar symptoms to what you report in your FC10-FC12 upgrade. For the most part, all other audio apps are just fine on this machine. I can play youtube videos, I can play mp3's and audio CD's. I hear the desktop sound effects, etc. But audio for FlightGear has been totally hosed since my upgrade. I have another machine (laptop) which I installed FC11 directly, and audio with respect to FlightGear is better. I generally hear what I should here, but there is quite a bit of static/crackling mixed in, so it is far from perfect. Erik mentioned running openal-info or alcinfo, but neither of these are installed on my machine with my version of openal or alc: $ rpm -aq openal openal-0.0.9-0.17.20060204cvs.fc11.i586 As others have pointed out, pulseaudio (despite it's imperfections) is installed by default on a lot of current distributions. It seems like we should try to find a way to work with it some how. I personally don't want to uninstall pulseaudio from my system and then have to struggle with all my other individual apps to reconfigure their audio and get them back to a working state ... right now, FlightGear seems to be the only app I have that isn't playing nice with pulseaudio. Even my virtual machine (windows XP running inside my Linux host) happily plays all it's sound effects through my linux host system. Regards, Curt. -- Curtis Olson: http://baron.flightgear.org/~curt/ http://baron.flightgear.org/%7Ecurt/ -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july
[Flightgear-devel] FC12 openal and pulseaudio question
Hi, I used the preupgrade to FC12 from FC10 this Saturday on my ASUS notebook (Intel core2 duo). This installed openal-soft-1.10.622-2 openal-soft-devel-1.10.622-2 and pulseaudio-0.9.21-1 I had to use OpenSceneGraph-2.9.5 as the svn up for osg broke fgfs link. With the above I either get good frame rates (same as in FC10) and no sound or crackly sound with very low frame rates depending on how I launch fgfs. Question: What versions of openal and pulseaudio are others with FC12 using that give good sound and performance? Thanks, DaveP. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
