Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Ron, That was very helpful as we will not waist any time working with JSBSim and jump right into reviewing YASim. Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 christ...@freedomworks.ca www.freedomworks.ca On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:55 PM, Ron Jensen w...@jentronics.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 07:21 -0400, Christian Menge wrote: Hi Guys, Appreciate the comments. We come from the X-Plane and ESP world. Personally I have just over 1000 hrs flight time in many Bell products, Bell 206, 204 / 205, 212 and 412. Currently I'm running a simulation consulting company that is seriously thinking about investing some money into growing with FlightGear. We are at the stage of simply getting a better understanding of FG and it's capabilities. From what I'm reading it looks like FG would be a good procedural trainer but may involve some work to bring things to a point where we could use it for helicopter flight training exercises like auto-rotation. The only real challenge I see is the creation of new aircraft. Has anyone looked into developing a plan maker similar to what x-plane offers? How might we start the process of creating new realistic aircraft simulations? Thanks! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 christ...@freedomworks.ca www.freedomworks.ca FlightGear currently uses two different approaches to flight modeling aircraft: YASim and JSBSim. YASim http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/YASim takes as its input physical descriptions of the aircraft and data points on stall speeds, approach speeds, throttle settings, etc. It then tries to calculate equations of flight from those physical descriptions. It is aimed at users who don't have a grasp of theoretical aerodynamics. JSBSim http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/ provides a basic frame work and allows the aircraft creator to build up the coefficients and equations of flight. It is aimed at users who have a good grasp of aerodynamic theory. Unfortunately, at this time JSBSim does not provide a rotor simulation module. It might be possible to create rotors in the aerodynamic module, though. It is really that flexible. I have heard a group modeling a quadracopter that did just that, but they did not release their results. Needless to say, since there currently isn't support for rotors in JSBSim all the current flightgear helicopters are YASim. Hope this helped, Ron -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hi, On the one side we have free available datas provided by the NASA. The Bo105 and the Aircrane uses the same data, a MD500 would be also possible. Maik did all the work! Derivated from the Bo105-data is the weight and balance for the EC135, so this heli behaves regarding in weight and balance like given in the manual. And then of course, we have a real Bell UH1-pilot as user, who tested the FGFS's UH-1 and was really impressed. Heiko still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html --- James Sleeman flightg...@gogo.co.nz schrieb am Mi, 31.3.2010: Von: James Sleeman flightg...@gogo.co.nz Betreff: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD An: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Datum: Mittwoch, 31. März, 2010 02:23 Uhr On 31/03/10 12:57, Heiko Schulz wrote: The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Purely out of interest, what is the assessment of realism based on, have you/somebody actual real world experience UH-1 piloting and compared to FG, or is it more the numbers seem right and it doesn't really do anything weird, so probably realistic? -Integrierter Anhang folgt- -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev -Integrierter Anhang folgt- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hi Guys, Appreciate the comments. We come from the X-Plane and ESP world. Personally I have just over 1000 hrs flight time in many Bell products, Bell 206, 204 / 205, 212 and 412. Currently I'm running a simulation consulting company that is seriously thinking about investing some money into growing with FlightGear. We are at the stage of simply getting a better understanding of FG and it's capabilities. From what I'm reading it looks like FG would be a good procedural trainer but may involve some work to bring things to a point where we could use it for helicopter flight training exercises like auto-rotation. The only real challenge I see is the creation of new aircraft. Has anyone looked into developing a plan maker similar to what x-plane offers? How might we start the process of creating new realistic aircraft simulations? Thanks! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca From: Heiko Schulz [mailto:aeitsch...@yahoo.de] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 5:02 AM To: FlightGear developers discussions Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD Hi, On the one side we have free available datas provided by the NASA. The Bo105 and the Aircrane uses the same data, a MD500 would be also possible. Maik did all the work! Derivated from the Bo105-data is the weight and balance for the EC135, so this heli behaves regarding in weight and balance like given in the manual. And then of course, we have a real Bell UH1-pilot as user, who tested the FGFS's UH-1 and was really impressed. Heiko still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html --- James Sleeman flightg...@gogo.co.nz schrieb am Mi, 31.3.2010: Von: James Sleeman flightg...@gogo.co.nz Betreff: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD An: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Datum: Mittwoch, 31. März, 2010 02:23 Uhr On 31/03/10 12:57, Heiko Schulz wrote: The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Purely out of interest, what is the assessment of realism based on, have you/somebody actual real world experience UH-1 piloting and compared to FG, or is it more the numbers seem right and it doesn't really do anything weird, so probably realistic? -Integrierter Anhang folgt- -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev -Integrierter Anhang folgt- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14670 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hi Guys, Appreciate the comments. We come from the X-Plane and ESP world. Personally I have just over 1000 hrs flight time in many Bell products, Bell 206, 204 / 205, 212 and 412. Currently I'm running a simulation consulting company that is seriously thinking about investing some money into growing with FlightGear. We are at the stage of simply getting a better understanding of FG and it's capabilities. From what I'm reading it looks like FG would be a good procedural trainer but may involve some work to bring things to a point where we could use it for helicopter flight training exercises like auto-rotation. The only real challenge I see is the creation of new aircraft. Has anyone looked into developing a plan maker similar to what x-plane offers? How might we start the process of creating new realistic aircraft simulations? Thanks! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 christ...@freedomworks.ca www.freedomworks.ca On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:57 PM, Heiko Schulz aeitsch...@yahoo.de wrote: Hi, Hello Christian, the helicopter flight model is very realistic, for my point of view it is the the most realistic flight model which is available for normal PC users. The setup of the configuration is a bit tricky, esp. for the auto-rotation, therefore it does not work realistic for most helicopters in flightgear, but the hornet (an autogyro) is simulated well in flightgear. The helicopters with the most realistic flightmodels in flightgear are: bo105 aircrane uh1 Best regards, Maik The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Unfortunately as helijah corrected the fuselage shape in YASim, he broke the whole balance settings. Tensors and CoG seems not right anymore, visible as the whole aircraft is turning on ground with stopped engine. That didn't happen before. I don't find the time right now to look and fix it, but maybe in 2-3 weeks unless someone other is faster. Regards Heiko. __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hello, Heiko Schulz schrieb am 31.03.2010 01:57: The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Unfortunately as helijah corrected the fuselage shape in YASim, he broke the whole balance settings. Tensors and CoG seems not right anymore, visible as the whole aircraft is turning on ground with stopped engine. That didn't happen before. ups, not nice. Probably just reverting to the old FDM (Aircraft/UH-1/uh1.xml) should fix this. Maybe its necessary to add an offset to the 3d-model in the uh1-set.xml file, but don't modify the old FDM file. Maybe the geometry or the coordinates of the ballast seem to be wrong, but overall they match nearly exactly the original values (mass, inertia tensor, static and dynamic reaction on control input/power, ...) I don't find the time right now to look and fix it, but maybe in 2-3 weeks unless someone other is faster. I don't have access to a PC in the next 10 days. Regards Heiko. Best regards, Maik -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hello, yes, the FDM for the Bo105, Aircrane und UH1 are tuned to match the data given in some NASA Reports, in particular Report NASA-CR-3144 A compilation and analysis of helicopter handling qualities data. Volume 1: Data compilation, which is public available. This report contains the most comprehensive data collection I ever found for helicopter. It describes the static and dynamic parameters of five different helicopter. E.g. control and power settings for a lot of different flight attitudes containing the dynamic reaction for changing each of the controls. Therefore I can note: As long as you stay within normal operation limits the three mentioned flightgear helicopter behave(d) very realistic. For out-of-normal-operation-limits I have no data to compare. Best regards, Maik Heiko Schulz schrieb am 31.03.2010 11:02: Hi, On the one side we have free available datas provided by the NASA. The Bo105 and the Aircrane uses the same data, a MD500 would be also possible. Maik did all the work! Derivated from the Bo105-data is the weight and balance for the EC135, so this heli behaves regarding in weight and balance like given in the manual. And then of course, we have a real Bell UH1-pilot as user, who tested the FGFS's UH-1 and was really impressed. Heiko still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html --- James Sleeman /flightg...@gogo.co.nz/ schrieb am *Mi, 31.3.2010: Von: James Sleeman flightg...@gogo.co.nz Betreff: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD An: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Datum: Mittwoch, 31. März, 2010 02:23 Uhr On 31/03/10 12:57, Heiko Schulz wrote: The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Purely out of interest, what is the assessment of realism based on, have you/somebody actual real world experience UH-1 piloting and compared to FG, or is it more the numbers seem right and it doesn't really do anything weird, so probably realistic? -Integrierter Anhang folgt- -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev -Integrierter Anhang folgt- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net /mc/compose?to=flightgear-de...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel * __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hi Maik, This is very helpful information, Thank you! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 christ...@freedomworks.ca www.freedomworks.ca On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 5:08 PM, Maik Justus mjus...@gmx.de wrote: Hello, yes, the FDM for the Bo105, Aircrane und UH1 are tuned to match the data given in some NASA Reports, in particular Report NASA-CR-3144 A compilation and analysis of helicopter handling qualities data. Volume 1: Data compilation, which is public available. This report contains the most comprehensive data collection I ever found for helicopter. It describes the static and dynamic parameters of five different helicopter. E.g. control and power settings for a lot of different flight attitudes containing the dynamic reaction for changing each of the controls. Therefore I can note: As long as you stay within normal operation limits the three mentioned flightgear helicopter behave(d) very realistic. For out-of-normal-operation-limits I have no data to compare. Best regards, Maik Heiko Schulz schrieb am 31.03.2010 11:02: Hi, On the one side we have free available datas provided by the NASA. The Bo105 and the Aircrane uses the same data, a MD500 would be also possible. Maik did all the work! Derivated from the Bo105-data is the weight and balance for the EC135, so this heli behaves regarding in weight and balance like given in the manual. And then of course, we have a real Bell UH1-pilot as user, who tested the FGFS's UH-1 and was really impressed. Heiko still in work: http://www.hoerbird.net/galerie.html But already done: http://www.hoerbird.net/reisen.html --- James Sleeman /flightg...@gogo.co.nz/ schrieb am *Mi, 31.3.2010: Von: James Sleeman flightg...@gogo.co.nz Betreff: Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD An: FlightGear developers discussions flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Datum: Mittwoch, 31. März, 2010 02:23 Uhr On 31/03/10 12:57, Heiko Schulz wrote: The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Purely out of interest, what is the assessment of realism based on, have you/somebody actual real world experience UH-1 piloting and compared to FG, or is it more the numbers seem right and it doesn't really do anything weird, so probably realistic? -Integrierter Anhang folgt- -- Download Intel® Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev -Integrierter Anhang folgt- ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net /mc/compose?to=flightgear-de...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel * __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
On Wed, 2010-03-31 at 07:21 -0400, Christian Menge wrote: Hi Guys, Appreciate the comments. We come from the X-Plane and ESP world. Personally I have just over 1000 hrs flight time in many Bell products, Bell 206, 204 / 205, 212 and 412. Currently I'm running a simulation consulting company that is seriously thinking about investing some money into growing with FlightGear. We are at the stage of simply getting a better understanding of FG and it's capabilities. From what I'm reading it looks like FG would be a good procedural trainer but may involve some work to bring things to a point where we could use it for helicopter flight training exercises like auto-rotation. The only real challenge I see is the creation of new aircraft. Has anyone looked into developing a plan maker similar to what x-plane offers? How might we start the process of creating new realistic aircraft simulations? Thanks! Christian Menge FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 christ...@freedomworks.ca www.freedomworks.ca FlightGear currently uses two different approaches to flight modeling aircraft: YASim and JSBSim. YASim http://wiki.flightgear.org/index.php/YASim takes as its input physical descriptions of the aircraft and data points on stall speeds, approach speeds, throttle settings, etc. It then tries to calculate equations of flight from those physical descriptions. It is aimed at users who don't have a grasp of theoretical aerodynamics. JSBSim http://jsbsim.sourceforge.net/ provides a basic frame work and allows the aircraft creator to build up the coefficients and equations of flight. It is aimed at users who have a good grasp of aerodynamic theory. Unfortunately, at this time JSBSim does not provide a rotor simulation module. It might be possible to create rotors in the aerodynamic module, though. It is really that flexible. I have heard a group modeling a quadracopter that did just that, but they did not release their results. Needless to say, since there currently isn't support for rotors in JSBSim all the current flightgear helicopters are YASim. Hope this helped, Ron -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hi, Hello Christian, the helicopter flight model is very realistic, for my point of view it is the the most realistic flight model which is available for normal PC users. The setup of the configuration is a bit tricky, esp. for the auto-rotation, therefore it does not work realistic for most helicopters in flightgear, but the hornet (an autogyro) is simulated well in flightgear. The helicopters with the most realistic flightmodels in flightgear are: bo105 aircrane uh1 Best regards, Maik The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Unfortunately as helijah corrected the fuselage shape in YASim, he broke the whole balance settings. Tensors and CoG seems not right anymore, visible as the whole aircraft is turning on ground with stopped engine. That didn't happen before. I don't find the time right now to look and fix it, but maybe in 2-3 weeks unless someone other is faster. Regards Heiko. __ Do You Yahoo!? Sie sind Spam leid? Yahoo! Mail verfügt über einen herausragenden Schutz gegen Massenmails. http://mail.yahoo.com -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
On 31/03/10 12:57, Heiko Schulz wrote: The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Purely out of interest, what is the assessment of realism based on, have you/somebody actual real world experience UH-1 piloting and compared to FG, or is it more the numbers seem right and it doesn't really do anything weird, so probably realistic? -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
From what I heard, it has actually been tested by an UH-1 pilot. On 31/03/10 12:57, Heiko Schulz wrote: The UH1 was the one with the most realistic flightmodel. Purely out of interest, what is the assessment of realism based on, have you/somebody actual real world experience UH-1 piloting and compared to FG, or is it more the numbers seem right and it doesn't really do anything weird, so probably realistic? -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hello Christian, the helicopter flight model is very realistic, for my point of view it is the the most realistic flight model which is available for normal PC users. The setup of the configuration is a bit tricky, esp. for the auto-rotation, therefore it does not work realistic for most helicopters in flightgear, but the hornet (an autogyro) is simulated well in flightgear. The helicopters with the most realistic flightmodels in flightgear are: bo105 aircrane uh1 Best regards, Maik Christian Menge schrieb am 22.03.2010 13:39: Hi Developers, We are looking into the idea of creating an Helicopter (rotary) FAA AATD. Does anyone have any comments / thoughts about the quality of flight modeling for rotary wing aircraft in FlightGear? This is an important question as students must have the ability of practicing advanced maneuvers like auto-rotation and this can be a very complicated feature to model properly. Thanks! Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca www.freedomworks.ca -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
[Flightgear-devel] FG - Helicopter FAA - AATD
Hi Developers, We are looking into the idea of creating an Helicopter (rotary) FAA AATD. Does anyone have any comments / thoughts about the quality of flight modeling for rotary wing aircraft in FlightGear? This is an important question as students must have the ability of practicing advanced maneuvers like auto-rotation and this can be a very complicated feature to model properly. Thanks! Christian FreedomWorks Inc. US: 609-858-2290 Canada: 905-228-0285 Fax: 347-296-3666 Email: christ...@freedomworks.ca www.FreedomWorks.ca -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
