Re: [Flightgear-devel] upcoming release suggestion

2012-07-01 Thread ThorstenB
Am 01.07.2012 05:52, schrieb syd adams:
 Before the next release , maybe it would be a good idea to disable
 those 'panel' outlines , which show up when you press 'C' to view
 hotspots.

I don't think this was intentional. The outlines aren't even properly 
aligned on any aircraft I checked - so it just looks like a bug. And 
it's only visible on some aircraft. My guess is it only affects 2D 
elements - i.e. all the 2D map displays (radar/groundradar/maps) in 
glass cockpits.
Also seems to be a relatively new issue - I hadn't even noticed before.

Anyone knows when/how this started? Otherwise we'd need to check git 
commits.

cheers,
Thorsten

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Re: [Flightgear-devel] upcoming release suggestion

2012-07-01 Thread Scott
On Sun, 2012-07-01 at 14:20 +0200, ThorstenB wrote:
 Am 01.07.2012 14:04, schrieb Gijs de Rooy:
Before the next release , maybe it would be a good idea to disable
those 'panel' outlines , which show up when you press 'C' to view
hotspots.
 
  IIRC the bug is not in the displaying of the edges, but in the
  respective panel configs.
  The edges were introduced so developers can fix their aircraft.
 
  See
  http://www.mail-archive.com/flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net/msg36695.html
 
 Good at least one of us reads/remembers devel posts ;-).
 
 But are we sure the panel outlines are accurate? They seem misplaced in 
 every aircraft where they are visible (e.g. check 747 or 777). Possible 
 that all aircraft are using incorrect panel coordinates. But it could 
 also mean the panel outline isn't properly drawn - I see it's bottom 
 left edge always aligned to the 2.5Ds panel's center. Is this working 
 with any aircraft?
 
 And it's indeed a bit confusing to users. Maybe we should have a 
 separate switch to enable displaying panel outlines...
 
 cheers,
 Thorsten

I think users know that hotspots are yellow, the rectangles are cyan in
colour, so that is an indicator to users that it isn't a normal hotspot,
so they probably shouldn't get too confused.

However I can't work out what the cyan rectangle is supposed to show,
I've got some as well on the A380, and it's offset like everyone else
says.


S.


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Re: [Flightgear-devel] upcoming release suggestion

2012-07-01 Thread James Turner

On 1 Jul 2012, at 15:00, ThorstenB wrote:

 To be frank, I don't think that's the case. All new users don't know 
 anything (yet). So, showing outlines which don't really mean anything to 
 them, just adds to their confusion - whatever the colour (and every new 
 user is already a bit confused when he looks at a cockpit for the first 
 time). And the hotspot feature is especially meant for new users - 
 experienced guys know where to click anyway.
 
 If we want panel outlines (to help aircraft designers) then it should be 
 enabled through a different option.

To be honest, when I added panel outlines (to help debug some hit-testing 
issues with panels), I always assumed this was a *developer* feature, not a 
'novice user' feature. 

Hence not making it a separate switch.

James


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