Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
I have had no contact with them either by phone or otherwise. http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com/t899p30-pour-une-meilleur-integration-des-travaux-de-la-paf-dans-flightgear#15971 In English the last line is let me know when you're ready and I call him http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com/t899p45-pour-une-meilleur-integration-des-travaux-de-la-paf-dans-flightgear#16025 In English the second line is I've just talked during a long time with Emmanuel (more than one hour !!!) leaves IRC very quickly when I arrive ??? hmmm someone can explain me ? Emilian ? James ? Christian ? Gijs ? Jean ? David ? Anders ? Have I left IRC because helijah was connected on IRC ? I never removed the header indicating the authors Some example : Original file created by PAF team : https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Dialogs/checklist/checklists-text.xml File currently on GIT repo : http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Dialogs/checklist/checklists-text.xml;h=a60d0954b08d8a7e71a802c191e71c96a15f55e6;hb=HEAD Original file created by PAF team : https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Models/Interior/Handle/handle.xml File currently on GIT repo : http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Models/Interior/Handle/handle.xml;h=d9aa7be75d5a201ab32e384d4ab7c7587150cabf;hb=HEAD Original file created by PAF team : https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Models/Interior/Panel/Parts/fuel-valve/fuel-valve.xml File currently on GIT repo : http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Models/Interior/Panel/Parts/fuel-valve/fuel-valve.xml;h=d162e7bef1bda983df51f7949afbc3e244b129cc;hb=HEAD Original file created by PAF team : https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Nasal/dr400.nas File currently on GIT repo : http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Nasal/dr400.nas;h=c27fa190acac2ecbda8de3539a81fd57c0e30063;hb=HEAD Original file created by PAF team : https://gitorious.org/paf/fgdata/blobs/master/Aircraft/DR400-jsbSim/Nasal/electrical.nas File currently on GIT repo : http://mapserver.flightgear.org/git/?p=fgdata;a=blob;f=Aircraft/DR400/Nasal/electrical.nas;h=195a5ad1a6a31076ca8a0c66563a8b4687de6a30;hb=HEAD Should I continue ? In the 3 first examples this is missing : !-- # DR400-jsbSim by PAF team # April 2012 : Modified by PAF team # http://equipe-flightgear.forumactif.com ##-- In the 2 last examples the header copyright has been changed : the destinated project of my contribution is now DR400 and the forum URL of PAF team is removed from dr400.nas / replaced by my personal website URL ( ??? ) from electrical.nas Firstly my contribution was originaly written for the DR400-jsbSim project (Imagine that profightsim change the header of the file from This file is part of FlightGear by This file is part of proflightsim... here is exactly the same) Secondly I don't understand why my personal website URL is in these files ! My personal life has nothing to do with these file. I use my website for personal and professional use and I've never wanted to see this URL in these files. Currently the GIT repo is not GPL compliant at all... Now I leave you conclude and make what is necessary in order to stop all of these. Cheers, Clément -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Clement de l'Hamaide wrote: I have had no contact with them either by phone or otherwise. I don't know whether or not either party has a legitimate gripe. What I DO know is that it doesn't have a damn thing to do with the purpose of this mailing list. I would strongly request you take your drama to the forums. It has no place here. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
I would strongly request you take your drama to the forums. It has no place here. Better take the drame to your own forum... This all just leads away from the issue raised by Emilian: the DR400 document that Emanuel uploaded contains a copyright notice that is not compatible with the GPL. The author of the document agreed to release it under the GPL (as can be read at the forum), but the current copyright notice in the document says otherwise. So, either the document should be removed from Git, or its copyright notice should be modified so it corresponds to the GPL. Gijs -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Gijs de Rooy wrote: I would strongly request you take your drama to the forums. It has no place here. Better take the drame to your own forum... That makes no sense at all. I'll write it off to a collision between your writing and my understanding. :) This all just leads away from the issue raised by Emilian: the DR400 document that Emanuel uploaded contains a copyright notice that is not compatible with the GPL. The author of the document agreed to release it under the GPL (as can be read at the forum), but the current copyright notice in the document says otherwise. Regardless, this crap doesn't belong on the developer list. This is flightgear-devel, not flightgear-people-whine-about-file-header-changes. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
Better take the drame to your own forum... That makes no sense at all. I'll write it off to a collision between your writing and my understanding. :) With your forum I meant Emmanuel's forum. Didn't mean Gene's forum :-) Sorry for being unclear. -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Gijs de Rooy wrote: Better take the drame to your own forum... That makes no sense at all. I'll write it off to a collision between your writing and my understanding. :) With your forum I meant Emmanuel's forum. Didn't mean Gene's forum :-) Sorry for being unclear. No problem. Nothing like two people, separated by a common language. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
You mean you speak Dutch? :) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 11:47:19 -0800 From: ge...@deltasoft.com To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8 On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Gijs de Rooy wrote: Better take the drame to your own forum... That makes no sense at all. I'll write it off to a collision between your writing and my understanding. :) With your forum I meant Emmanuel's forum. Didn't mean Gene's forum :-) Sorry for being unclear. No problem. Nothing like two people, separated by a common language. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
Double, most of the time J Vivian From: TDO Brandano [mailto:tdo_brand...@hotmail.com] Sent: 22 December 2012 20:51 To: Flightgear Devel List Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8 You mean you speak Dutch? :) Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2012 11:47:19 -0800 From: ge...@deltasoft.com To: flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8 On Sat, 22 Dec 2012, Gijs de Rooy wrote: Better take the drame to your own forum... That makes no sense at all. I'll write it off to a collision between your writing and my understanding. :) With your forum I meant Emmanuel's forum. Didn't mean Gene's forum :-) Sorry for being unclear. No problem. Nothing like two people, separated by a common language. :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://www.scarletdme.org - Get it _today_! -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
Re: [Flightgear-devel] Flightgear-devel Digest, Vol 80, Issue 8
Le 21/12/2012 23:31, flightgear-devel-requ...@lists.sourceforge.net a écrit : Hi Clement Yes it is really sad to see such commit messages. But maybe the PAF team also thinks too concurrently in headers, gpl and copyright notice and file descriptions here. Maybe the PAF team has to take into account that Helijah spent half of his life contributing to flightgear models and this needs some personal respect and not only respecting gpl terms. For me personally the contribution of the PAF is very welcome, but to be honest, it has not the same history like the contribution of Emanuel. Even when it sounds strange to you, try to talk to him directly. I guess no one here wants to judge about small coyright thinking and who was first, who violates gpl by gpl and other childish games (which points mainly to Emanuel, who is responsible for many reallly bad commit messages, forum messages, in a really bad manner). But at the end here we are all volunteers, and the best you can do, the best the PAF team can do for the project is ... keep your work up, get commit rights and commit and try to communicate in a good way, a long time. Never blame others for doing this or that to make us judge about who is right. Helijah does it the hidden way in his commit messages, everyone knows and ignores, but you do it here officially in the list. Don't think people here are so stupid that they do not realise what's going on. The Flightgear Project made the bad mistake to miss to split the code into core and plug-ins with fg/sg vs. parts of fgdata, making it possible to have hangers for example. Maybe the core devs will make a better decision about this once, or when the current core team realise what fgdata has become actually, or another core team. Lets say thanks to all fgdata contributors who makes not that much noise and are patient all the days, really. -Yves Hi Yves, This will be my only response to these people, here (the devel list is not make for that !). Contrary to what Clement said, I have had no contact with them either by phone or otherwise. In addition they have completely closed their forum to me (By banning outright. Congratulations form the right of reply and freedom) and leaves IRC very quickly when I arrive :). They are fault and they know it. I have no time for people like that. On header files, I never removed the header indicating the authors (file .nas of Clément, texture of Patten etc. .. check yourself). Simply some xml files that I myself spent a lot of time to rebuild saw a header signigiant the creators was the PAF. This being so totally wrong it was logical to remove it. Respect is also not to crush what others have done. The aircrafts of my hangar are not mine !. They are modeled for you before anything else. The men of the PAF do not support this and will do anything to tarnish my reputation. I have only one thing to do. Continue to provide aircraft for the enjoyment of many. If their forum PAF is inaccessible to me, you must know that everyone can come and talk on the forum that I had to create after their banishment. But they do not come. Worse than that. The few people who dared to come on my forum have received several threatening mail from them. I say more. Faced with this type of behavior, that only the honesty and truth can succed. So I will continue to modeling the aircrafts. Time will do the rest. For those who have doubts, I have only one thing to say. Come talk about it on the forum http://embaranger.free.fr (you'll never be banished because I support always and forever freedom of expression). Now, crying in devel list, is an effective way to annoy people by putting the blame on another. It is simply shameful them. But it appears that they can not make me abandon FG so they try all other means. Regards Emmanuel -- BARANGER Emmanuel http://helijah.free.fr http://embaranger.free.fr -- LogMeIn Rescue: Anywhere, Anytime Remote support for IT. Free Trial Remotely access PCs and mobile devices and provide instant support Improve your efficiency, and focus on delivering more value-add services Discover what IT Professionals Know. Rescue delivers http://p.sf.net/sfu/logmein_12329d2d ___ Flightgear-devel mailing list Flightgear-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-devel
