[Flightgear-users] [Fwd: Re: Getting engines to start on the pa24-250 and the pa28-161]
Original-Nachricht Betreff:Re: [Flightgear-users] Getting engines to start on the pa24-250 and the pa28-161 Datum: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 20:11:35 +0200 Von:Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Referenzen: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Keener schrieb: Georg Vollnhals wrote: Start pressing CTRL + C, then you'll see all hotspots you can click on. Look down and select the fuel tank. Look forward left and engage the main-switch and the fuel-pump switch. Mixture should be full rich (position at the panel). Maybe Priming is the realistic way to proceed, I never did it. Just start the engines with the ignition lock. Too weird - that's what I did - engine just turns over. Fuel Gauge points to front of aircraft - is it in the wrong position? The mix is the red knob front right? This is the wrong position for the fuel tank selection. There are 3 positions clockwise you can select. If you want to know what tank you have selected, go via the main menu equipment = fuel and payload. You can see what you have selected and how many fuel is remaining for the selected tank. Hope this helps Georg EDDW - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Getting engines to start on the pa24-250 and the pa28-161
Brian Keener schrieb: Hello all, I seem to be having a bit of difficulty with the pa24-250 and the pa28-161 aircraft. I start FlightGear on Windows 2000 and after selecting Aircraft and Airport I am sitting on the end of the runway with engines running. For some reason the pa24-250 and the pa28-161 when I select them leave me on the end of the runway with engines off. Appear to be shutdown completely. Using the ? For the aircraft help it says I should use the f key for fuel tank selection and the ! For the master switch and the @ for the fuel pumps. Then CTRL-P 3 times to prime and the s to start. I see the prop rotating and then it will when I let up on the s key it quits immediately. Is there some quirk to this aircraft. I look at the fuel Gauge but can't tell if it was designed empty or if it has fuel. I not too good at this so what am I missing. Thanks for a real cool simulator. Bk Hi Brian, I never work with the keys as we have such nice full 3D-cockpits with clickable hotspots. PA 24-250 Start pressing CTRL + C, then you'll see all hotspots you can click on. Look down and select the fuel tank. Look forward left and engage the main-switch and the fuel-pump switch. Mixture should be full rich (position at the panel). Maybe Priming is the realistic way to proceed, I never did it. Just start the engines with the ignition lock. Switch on all other stuff you need. Release the parking brake (also clickable). All should work nice now. Press CTRL + C again to toggle the hotspots. Hope this helps Georg EDDW - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Using a RC Transmitter with FlightGear
Duncan Groenewald schrieb: Does anyone know if it is possible to use a RC transmitter with FlightGear ? If so is it possible to do this on a Mac ? Thanks - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users Hi Duncan, this is what I wrote i the International FlightGear Forum some time ago, might be a help for you if you are a little skilled with electronics: Hi teemodel, to interface my Graupner MC-16/20 transmitter (and also another cheap transmitter) with a PC I built a trainer outlet - USB interface with the JoyWarrior 24 RC PIC. This works with absolut no problems with openSUSE 10.x Linux and Win$ XP as a normal USB joystick is simulated. In FlightGear you just copy the four-axis-joystick.xml file to JoyWarrior.xml and after appending the USB-name of the interface into this file like (example!) PropertyList nameCode Mercenaries JoyWarrior24RC/name axis n=0 you leave it as FlightGear/data/Input/Joysticks/Default/JoyWarrior.xml or put it into a separate folder like JoyWarriorChip. If you never did any successful :D electronic soldering you should better search the internet to buy a already build commercial solution which is also available. But building it yourself is cheap (PIC price at that time 13.60 EUR + some cheap other parts) and fast. Here some (local, Germany) links but most of the sites can be switched to English language or ARE already written in English (like the PIC data sheet). It is only that you have some impression what to search for in your country. Interface data - can't buy here, only producer of the chip http://codemercs.com/D_index.html Files for JoyWarrior 24 RC: http://codemercs.com/JWdownloadsD.html Data sheet for JW24 RC http://codemercs.com/Downloads/JW24RC-Datasheet.pdf electronic wiring see page 8! Just to complete the stuff with two links if some other user from Europe reads this post: Deutsches JoyWarrior Forum http://codemercs.com/phpBB2/viewforum.p ... 43614054b8 http://codemercs.com/phpBB2/viewforum.php?f=8sid=cc9eebb916c7a0be1a34cd43614054b8 Bezug: (where to get it) http://www.segor.de/SEG_7_02.pdf#search ... r%20PIC%22 http://www.segor.de/SEG_7_02.pdf#search=%22JoyWarrior%20PIC%22 Important: use DIP24 version! JW 24 RC-P Joy-Warrior 24 DIP24 Hope this helps, works very fine here! Regards Georg HeliFlyer EDDW BTW: of course you can use your transmitter as a joystick also with other programs which support USB joysticks. Duncan, as I wrote above, there are also commercial solutions availabe for this RC transmitter trainer outlet = USB joystick input interface. It is just that your transmitter has to have this trainer female connector but beside my Graupner transmitter I own some cheap Chinese transmitters which also have one. It works perfectly, have fun! Georg EDDW - Check out the new SourceForge.net Marketplace. It's the best place to buy or sell services for just about anything Open Source. http://sourceforge.net/services/buy/index.php ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Graphic card issue, solutions?
Roberto Inzerillo schrieb: Chris Hodge ha scritto: I had similar problems with a Radeon X1600 card after updating the driver. I went back to an older version of the driver and it went away. I'm using driver version 8.351.0.0 from 3/2/2007. Not saying that's the best driver version, but it works for me. Thank you Chris, I'll try installing new/old drivers and try again. Hi Roberto, these ATI problems have been heavily discussed in the past at several places (Forums, lists, etc). It seems there is no general recipe. It is just a trial and error case. There are people who need an older ATI driver and some who need the newest one (a friend of mine). Other are successful by changing some driver related values. If the older ATI driver does not help, search the FG forum, you'll find a lot of (hidden) hints, ie: http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=772highlight=ati (go to the bottom). Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2008. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] can't built fgfs-Atlas-0.3.1 on Fedora 8
Martin Gansser wrote: hi, i tried to built fgfs-Atlas-0.3.1 on Fedora 8 against FlightGear-1.0.0 fgfs-base-1.0.0 and SimGear-1.0.0, but this fails with the following error message: *If* (?) your Atlas version is the OLD one and SimGear is the NEW one (which was SimGear CVS until now) then you must fail. Use the Atlas CVS version with the last included patches by Brian and Nicolas which were necessary to build against SimGear CVS (search Atlas devel list for details). Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Is flying the Cessna 172 (2d panel) vs he C310 (with IFR) that different) (sort of a continuation of a previous discussion on planes veering to the left)
Brian Keener schrieb: Georg Vollnhals wrote: 3. How does the Cessna fly if you unplug your joystick and use the mouse? Or even better, ask a fried who ownes another joystick to test it with FlightGear/the Cessna. Hah, that's why I use a joystick - at least for me mastering the mouse for flying is even harder - there is truly a technique to mastering that. Yes, it was just thought as a test whether this bad behaviour is also seen with the joystick unplugged. So, if you have no difference you might not accuse your poor joystick :-) But that said I did try this last night several times on the desktop and each time I thought I was doing pretty well on the take off roll but once airborne I was madly trying to keep it level during the climb. Banking madly left and right and I tried using small movements or severe climbs and then dives. I tried a little while ago on my laptop which is more powerful than the desktop and also has FlightGear 0.9.10 and using the mouse - same scenario - pitching madly left and right after takeoff - swerving some during the takeoff roll. bk I am really at a loss with your problem :-( Georg - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Is flying the Cessna 172 (2d panel) vs he C310 (with IFR) that different) (sort of a continuation of a previous discussion on planes veering to the left)
Hal V. Engel schrieb: This still tells me that something is up. The C172 should be farily easy to fly even for a noob pilot at least once you are in the air. Once in the air you should be able to trim it up and then let go of the stick and only have it wonder gradually from it's current flight path. Once trimmed you should be able to hold it on a given flight path by touching the stick every 10 to 15 seconds to make very minor corrections. If you can't do that then either there is something wrong with your trimming techneque or there is something wrong with your stick (or both). This is Saitek Cyborg EVO Force - could it be the force part since Flightgear doesn't support force and MS does causing issues - or does FlightGear support force??? Hi, no question, the FlightGear C172 really is very easy to fly and to land. This all *must* be a controller problem. 1. Did you ever try to display the HUD (h) and have a look at the axis? Are they all centered when you have you controller centered? Do they move right when you move your joystick? Is the rudder axis centered? 2. Did you change the Saitek EVO XML file and put the name of your FORCE version in there? These are the names of my evo-xml-file: nameSaitek Cyborg USB Stick/name nameSaitek Cyborg Evo/name nameSaitek Cyborg evo Wireless/name Might be your FORCE version does NOT use this predefined XML file? 3. How does the Cessna fly if you unplug your joystick and use the mouse? Or even better, ask a fried who ownes another joystick to test it with FlightGear/the Cessna. Regards Georg EDDW - SF.Net email is sponsored by: The Future of Linux Business White Paper from Novell. From the desktop to the data center, Linux is going mainstream. Let it simplify your IT future. http://altfarm.mediaplex.com/ad/ck/8857-50307-18918-4 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Question on apt.dat
Vadym Kukhtin schrieb: Thanks you guys for a positive feedback! A'm very glad to read that. Now I'm time-to-time write manual in russian, and wanted then translate to English and share, but now I give some detail here. I'm not a profi and I have some question how do some things too. May be you help me later. ... Also sorry for my English. If someone try this manual, fix errors (not orfo-gramma), rewrite it in English and post to wiki, it would be very good. Lets make FG world bright and true! :) -- --- WBR, Vadym. First, Vadym, thank you very much for your detailed reply. This is very interesting for me, as I already pointed out, to improve some of the actually badly represented local terrain structures which then would go into my Bremen-Weser scenery which you might know. As I am working *nightshift* this week there is not much energy left. I'll try your cooking-recipe next week and will give feedback and eventually ask if there are questions left or problems occured. If the setup and the procedures work for me I will try to style your instructions a little and put it to the FG wiki, although this might not improve it as much as wished as my English is not the very best. But better instructions in bad English than NO instructions at all, right? Regards Georg BTW: although I don't understand Russian I had a look at your very active FG site where HHS pointed us to. Good to know there are also a lot of FG activities in your country :-) - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Question on apt.dat
Vadym Kukhtin schrieb: I'm also use FGSceneryDesigner for it, since I dont familiar with Linux and terragear is very hard for me now. Download shapes, HGT files, draw my aport, and mix it in FGSD; then export and change only one tile in my scsnery. I know, it is a bit dont right, but usefull as quick preview. in FGSD: http://flightgear.6bb.ru/uploads//bf/d2/104-1-f.png in flight: http://flightgear.6bb.ru/uploads//bf/d2/106-1-f.png -- --- WBR, Vadym. Hi Vadym, this looks really GREAT! I did not know until now that you can export the results of the scenery designer to use it DIRECTLY in your scenery. I always thought the output of this program is for processing with terragear. Did you use the latest version of scenery designer? And can you give some more details how you proceeded, please. Of course, this would be a wonderful possibility to change a local airport. EDDW must have some correctures. Thank you very much in advance. Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Joystick suggestions
Melchior FRANZ schrieb:
* Georg Vollnhals -- Friday 26 October 2007:
Melchior Franz helped me out with a trick to set the saved calibration
via a script on booting, [...]
Nowadays I recommend to let udev do that:
# echo 'KERNEL==js* RUN+=/usr/local/sbin/jscal.sh' \
/etc/udev/rules.d/91-local.rules
... whereby my /usr/local/sbin/jscal.sh sets the calibration
values from jscal -p. This way it calibrates the js whenever
Linux recognizes the js, that's at startup and whenever the js
is plugged in.
m.
Hi Melchior,
I thought a little about your suggestion and after I understood what you
are doing I tried it out with some little changes due to my local
requierements but it did/does not work. Did I do anything right?
As I have two joysticks (stick, pedals) and already two working scripts
(made after your first help) I modified your last method a little and
created two files in /etc/udev/rules.d:
91-local.rules:
KERNEL==js0 RUN+=/etc/jscal0.sh
92-local.rules:
KERNEL==js1 RUN+=/etc/jscal1.sh
There are 3 changes against your suggestion:
1. I made two rules-files
2. I renamed js* to js0 and js1
3. I called the (already there and working) scripts in /etc/... and not
in /usr/local/sbin/
This does not work. If I call the scripts after booting from a KDE link
(/etc/jscal1.sh; /etc/jscal0.sh) all works fine.
Anything I did wrong with my modifications? Or are the new udev/rules
settings overwritten later by another process?
Regards
Georg
BTW:
there are already files in the udev folder related to joystick
50-udev-default.rules:
...
KERNEL==js*,NAME=input/%k, MODE=0644
...
60-persistent-input.rules:
...
# other devices
...
ATTRS{modalias}!=input:*-*k*14A,*r*, ENV{ID_CLASS}=joystick
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Re: [Flightgear-users] Joystick suggestions
John Clary schrieb: I'm rebuilding my simpit to convert it from gameport to USB and I'm thinking about changing from pots to Hall sensors. Hall sensors are non-contact so there is no wear, and give a 0-4V output with a 5V input that is much like a pot (5V GND and Out instead of Wiper). I have been working with Hall sensor throttles for e-bikes and e-motorcycles and they seem pretty bulletproof. Is there any reason not to use Hall sensors instead of pots with a USB encoder? BTW I'm on Linspire Linux. Hi John, I bought one of the first SIMPED Pedals many, many years ago which are working with a magnetic Hall sensor. First I used it with Win98 and the Gameport, then with a cheap (16 EUR) gameport to usb-converter and Win XP, since 1 1/2 year with the gameport to usb-converter and OpenSUSE 10.1/10.2. I used it for many, many years nearly every day some hours (!), I really can't count the total time. After once calibrating the hardware mid-point value (at the pedals) I only touched them for cleaning. So this concept using a Hall sensor seems pretty fine for me, I would like to have such advanced tec in my joystick. Generally I am very satisfied with my Saitek X45 as it was really cheap at that time I bought it, but the main problem is the cross-mechanic transfering the stick movement to the potentiometers. This is not precise enough and therfore you have a pretty uncomfortable Null-Zone when hovering the helos. I improved this a little but a Hall sensor would be perfect for a helo simmer (if it works like my pedals, NO nullzone!). So, I would be very interested if you would build such a joystick and could get a wiring diagram from you. I constructed and built a lot of electronic stuff when I was younger and some time ago built my own R/C-transmitter - USB joystick interface from a wiring diagram (which works fine!). So might be I could improve my old Saitek with Hall sensors. If not on this list, as people might not be very interested in such stuff, please contact me via private eMail heliflyer AT arcor POINT de. Thank you in advance, good luck! Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Joystick suggestions
Hal V. Engel schrieb: I already have each plugged into different USB hubs. I got the same problem with them attached directly. I have also tried them on 2 other Linux boxes with the same results. It stopped working normally around 2.6.14, but another reply I got on this list said it was working at 2.6.18 again, no luck here though. Regards Sid. Yes exactly. It was not working on earlier versions for me either but I can't say if 2.6.14 was when this happened. Then It was working for me in 2.6.18 and stopped again in 2.6.19. And did not work again until 2.6.22. It is however a minor issue as others have pointed out because there is a simple work around. Hi, there seems a general problem with Linux and USB joysticks. My both USB joysticks (stick and pedals) are recognized when booting OpenSUSE 10.2 (was the same with 10.1) but have lost their calibration. There has never been a problem with WinXP some years ago with the same hardware. Melchior Franz helped me out with a trick to set the saved calibration via a script on booting, which does not work for me but I modified his hints a little and an now run a little script before using the joysticks the first time and all is fine. All other USB stuff works fine without problems. Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] it was propeller control
Jeremy Santizo schrieb: it was the propeller control, not the mixture. Sorry guys. Can U help me? Hi Jeremy, the only and last idea I have is that you own a joystick with one axis assigned to the propeller speed control (like I have with my Saitek X 45, 2 axis assigned to both propeller and mixture). I tested with my joystick that it is *sometimes* not possible to influence the propeller speed with the keys, it seems to be locked upwards by the joystick axis. At other positions I can move it with the keys, too. So please check whether your joystick - if you own any - has one axis for the propeller speed. That could solve your problem. Good luck! Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Mixture Control
Jeremy Santizo schrieb: i've tried with the m and M keys but nothing happens...even in the panel when pressing c no control is marked, but the compass, radio and automatic pilot. Of course the plane flies with the richest mixture and gets overheated by that. I know nothing is affectes (at least i think) but its really frustrating trying to learn deeply a plane, which a basic control is disabled. */Hal V. Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* escribió: On Thursday 09 August 2007 18:06, Jeremy Santizo wrote: I'm wondering if the mixture control is disabled in the Seneca II Plane or another keys are used to control it. Works for me. Hi Jeremy, this is really a pity for you but I can only back what Hal already answered - the m and M key commands work perfect for the Piper Seneca II. At least for the latest version of the plane and FlightGear CVS. You can download the CVS Seneca II version here: http://cvs.flightgear.org/cgi-bin/viewvc/viewvc.cgi/data/Aircraft/SenecaII.tar.gz?view=tar Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Trouble compiling OSG
Will Harrison schrieb: I've tried this with both the stable 2.0 version and the latestsvn, but I'll keep messing with it. Hi Will, I don't know whether this helps you but what Nick wrote solved my problems with OSG compilation some time ago: ... ... I was a bit confused with this - I couldn't work out what 'the configuration' screen was, nor meant. But I sussed out CMAKE now, so for anybody else with problems. Once you have a fresh checkout, in the trunk directory (top layer of code) to build the CMAKE files, issue: cmake -i . CMAKE will now run through a lot of question and shows current values, so you can change it all to suit... very handy. Any time you need to change the build, just run the 'cmake -i .' command again (after a make clean, of course). I am now going to build an optimised OSG and try again (after my 5 fps version made me move back to PLIB). Nick == Good luck Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Details on FG native protocol?
Bernhard Kuhn schrieb: 40 KByte mailing list limit. (btw.: the triangles on the horizon as seen in the screen shot do only show up while selecting menus with the mouse, so it's not an issue for me, but i certainly don't mind if a developer would look into it :-) Any feedback is highly appreciated! regards Bernhard Hi, these triangles-error has been discussed a long time ago and _as far I remember right_ this is a problem of the videocard-driver. So you could try to update your videocard driver, this might help. I also remember that changing the bpp from 24 to 32 or vice versa (FG command --bpp=32 or --bpp=24) helped some users. If this does not help and you are using an older precompiled FG version, changing to FG OSG CVS (from PLIB) is another chance. No guarantee for success, just 3 thoughts when trying to remember the obsolete problem. Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Flightgear-users] [Fwd: Stuart Buchanan! Microlight mainair blade 912]
Original-Nachricht Betreff:Stuart Buchanan! Microlight mainair blade 912 Datum: Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:36:13 +0200 Von:Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: FlightGear user discussions flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net Hi Stuart Buchanan, this could be interesting for you :-) I fly a Mainair blade 912 microlight - just wondered if there is a powered flexwing microlight in flightgear, or any plans to include one? Thanks http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=331 Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Flightgear-users] Stuart Buchanan! Microlight mainair blade 912
Hi Stuart Buchanan, this could be interesting for you :-) I fly a Mainair blade 912 microlight - just wondered if there is a powered flexwing microlight in flightgear, or any plans to include one? Thanks http://www.flightgear.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=331 Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] helicopter cyclic trimming (or: saving/restoring properties)
Melchior FRANZ schrieb:
* Melchior FRANZ -- Tuesday 05 June 2007:
setlistener(/sim/signals/fdm-initialized, func {
Oops, make that
_setlistener(/sim/signals/fdm-initialized, func {
The leading underscore calls the raw version, which we
need for setlistener calls on the top level in files in
$FG_ROOT/Nasal/ (and nowhere else).
m.
Hi Melchior,
thanks a lot.
This can make my helicopter flights much more enjoyable :-)
Regards
Georg
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Re: [Flightgear-users] FG 0.9.10 Scenery Download
Laurence Homer schrieb: Hi, I've just tried to download the scenery pack for Germany from the FlightGear scenery page (the one with the map of the world: http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/scenery-0.9.10.html), but the connection fails when I try and download the file, and all the other pieces seem to do the same. Does anyone know if the download site is down? (as it didn't work the other day when I tried it either) - also I wanted to check if anyone else could access it, because it could well be a problem with my computer or connection! Cheers, Loz Hi Loz, I asked the same and got this answer from Nick: Hi Georg, I have a special page for this - use the lower graphic, it links to a mirror when the main FTP server is AWOL: http://mpserver05.flightgear.org/fgmp/scenery.html Nick - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] sound stutters and frame rate drop on dual core
Didier Fabert schrieb: Le Tuesday 24 April 2007 02:03:21 Andreas Hasenack, vous avez écrit : It helped indeed. FPS steady at 60 and no stuttering at all. Actually, if I fly a little longer (say, 10min), it starts to stutter again. Also, the joystick is no more read correctly after fgfs enters this mode: only aileron and pedals are correct. Pitch control is read too slowly. How are the CVS versions? I didn't try it yet because of the new building requirements (openscenegraph), which I have to package for myself. You can try the plib only CVS version cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/SimGear-0.3 login cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/SimGear-0.3 co source cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 login cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co source Didier. Hi, this would download the FG *OSG* CVS version. To use the FG *PLIB* CVS version (as you suggested) you have to do THE FIRST TIME: SimGear CVS: cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/SimGear-0.3 login password is guest cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/SimGear-0.3 co source #do not forget to change the directory here! cd source cvs up -rPRE_OSG_PLIB_20061029 FlightGear CVS: cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 login password is guest cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co source #do not forget to change the directory here! cd source cvs up -rPRE_OSG_PLIB_20061029 (I am sure you can log into PRE_OSG_PLIB directly without the extra steps but this is how I know and do it) THE NEXT TIMES you want to update your CVS system, you only go into the data folders and type cvs update -dP This is my tutorial for OpenSUSE 10.x, but it may help you to get an overwiew how to compile FG CVS: http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=OpenSUSE_10.1_10.2 Good luck and regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] sound stutters and frame rate drop on dual core
Phil Sammons schrieb: Hi, this is also of great help to me, but I need to remove flightgear 0.9.10package and the attemped CVS install and I seem to have broken everything, can you quicklt describe how I do that, Thankyou :o) Phil Hi, which O/S??? But if you *really* want to start from scratch because you lost the overwiew :-/ then delete all your CVS source folders and the FlightGear data folder and - if you have this within your FlightGear folder - the include and lib folder. But be warned - on one side a newbee is pretty sure after deleting all this that nothing disturbing is left *but* on the other side you have to download also all FG data from CVS. You should have a fast internet connection. Updating FG data is *not* important for FG CVS build but for successfully running FG after compiling. To be honest, some time ago when I learned how to manage the FlightGear CVS build *this* was the only solution for me to get all sorted out. Unbelievable for a prof, but true :-) If you are using a Linux O/S then have a look at my link (previous mail) and the other FG wiki postings (there should also be some help for Win OS users). Regards Georg EDDW - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear Wiki
Paul Duncan schrieb: Hi, Georg suggested I put up what I've learnt about getting the Nvidia 3D accelerated X drivers working on Kubuntu on the Wiki. I'm just wondering where I should add them. I'm thinking that the most appropriate place would be at the end of what is currently in the Why is FlightGear so slow section. Any comments? Paul ~ Hi Paul, nice you really want to put it on the FG wiki :-), thank you very much. What about creating a new entry like Video problems (or something like that, as a natural English speaker you might find a better fitting expression) under User documentation behind Flying resources ? Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] nice landing ...
Josh Babcock schrieb: I have nothing to say. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2307135223378952178q=worsthl=en Josh Hi Josh, I never thought I could see one of my sim-landings in reality ;-) Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] No sound on FC6?
Donn Washburn schrieb: Daniel Pekelharing wrote: Hi all, I just recently updated to Fedora Core 6. I've now reinstalled FlightGear (v 0.9.10), I compiled from sources. All is well but I no longer have any sound? I noticed that if I run FG as root then the sound works fine... Could it be some permission settings or something..? Any ideas? Thanks, Daniel Pekelharing Check and make sure you have no other sound device working. It seems now a days that KDE will only allow one thing at a time if it is a PCM input. I know you are using GNOME but it may have a simmilar issue. Hi, just to add, I got some gray hair about the sound problem because it was only FlightGear related - despite installed drivers with OpenSUSE 10.x and KDE: After intensive Google-research I found this, it worked for me, from there no further problems :-) 1. Create ~/.openalrc file 2. Content: (define devices '(native alsa sdl esd arts null)) Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Issues with Saitek Joysticks
Hi Melchior, first thank you for this big help, your hint is a big step forward although not all is working here as it might: .. Same here with another USB joystick. I've solved that like this: jscal generated calibration script saved to /etc/jscal.sh: # jscal -p /dev/input/js0 /etc/jscal.sh chmod 700 /etc/jscal.sh This was the first to solve. If I use the above command line (after first calibrating the joystick with # jscal -c /dev/input/js0) only an empty (0 bytes) jscal.sh was written to the right place. When I splitted the command line into # jscal -p /dev/input/js0 /etc/jscal.sh # chmod 700 /etc/jscal.sh all the information was written (136 byte). I compared the console-output of # jscal -p /dev/input/js0 and it is the same dataset. Advised udevd to run the calibration script whenever the js is detected, by changing this line in /etc/udev/rules.d/50-udev-default.rules: -KERNEL==js*, NAME=input/%k, MODE=0644 +KERNEL==js*, NAME=input/%k, MODE=0644, RUN+=/etc/jscal.sh These are the changed lines of 50-udev-default.rules (only to show, I got it right): # KERNEL==js*,NAME=input/%k, MODE=0644 KERNEL==js*, NAME=input/%k, MODE=0644, RUN+=/etc/jscal.sh *but* this does not do anything! After reboot the joystick is not calibrated, also if I un/plug it. What works is running ./jscal.sh manually. :-) My plan is to give jscal.sh user-right and put a link on my Desktop. Then it is only one mouseclick and spares a lot of time. Did not test it but this should work. I don't know why these two things (writing jscal.sh with in the command-line and starting jscal.sh from 50-udev-default.rules) do not work. Anyhow, thank you once again, also with a only a part of your solution I get it really more comfortable from now! Regards Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Issues with Saitek Joysticks
Melchior FRANZ schrieb: Did you calibrate before you dumped the calibration script? I didn't mention that, as I considered it logical. :-) # jscal -c /dev/input/js0 # calibrate first, then ... # jscal -p /dev/input/js0 /etc/jscal.sh # dump the script m. Yes, first calibrated then wrote calibration-values to jscal.sh (as above). Then compared console-output of jscal -p ... with jscal.sh = same dataset! It seems that the new command-line in 50-udev-default.rules either does not run jscal.sh *or* it does and the corrected joystick-values are overwritten by the booting O/S at a later time???. Manually running #./jscal.sh sets the right data, the uncalibrated joystick is *calibrated* after doing this! Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Issues with Saitek Joysticks
Melchior FRANZ schrieb: * Melchior FRANZ -- Sunday 04 March 2007: .. Anyway: you can still put a jscal.sh call into ~/.profile. Done, works very fine! :-) That's at least called when logging in, which should be enough. You'd just have to run it manually if you plugged the js in later. m. No problem, for this rather seldom case I just tested the Desktop-link to jscal.sh solution. Works too. Once again, thank you very much for your help. A solution for this was on very high priority on my personal wish-list (like the left-right, near-far UFO stuff) :-) Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] sound stutters and frame rate drop on dual core
Andreas Hasenack schrieb: On Friday 23 February 2007 14:40:51 Curtis Olson wrote: You might try turning on sync to vblank to slow flightgear down. In the It helped indeed. FPS steady at 60 and no stuttering at all. 60 is not enough for your hardware. Your display refresh rate might be set too low. I don't know anything about LCD screens but if you have a pretty old CRT you may - depending on your hardware (videocard and CRT) increase FG's framerate (with sync on) by setting the X-Server display refresh rate to a higher value. This is very easy for me with NVIDIAs X Server Setting program, so you might have something similar. I have 1280 x 1024 with 85 Hz so FlightGear runs 85 frames/sec (max or less depending on the scenery - but not more). Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] sound stutters and frame rate drop on dual core
Heiko Schulz schrieb: Hi, interesting: a too high fps stops fgfs. I don't think, that's really a problem. If we got more and more sceneries, we will need this high framerates. @georg: I understand, that his problem was that he had too much fps, so fgfs dindn't work alright. So he had to slow down the simulation artificial. But interesting to hear,that the frequency ofthe monitor has an influence on the fps... Greetings HHs -who is too involved in work instead the ec135 :-(- --- Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Heiko, this is just a trick to stop this worse stuttering. After I changed from Win XP to Linux last year I had an unbelievable higher framerate (140/150 frames/sec) but very bad stuttering effects. I found out at that time that I had to do it the other way under Linux - braking FG by selecting VSync on and getting a fluendly running sim. If I remember right - haven't run FlightGear under Windows since last August/September - this was *only* a problem with Linux. The higher you can set the refresh-rate of your CRT/display the faster FG runs at maximum speed. As I am curious whether this is really only a Linux problem I will test it on Sunday with my WinXP install (I have still dual boot as my printer-port scanner has no driver under Linux) and report about it. Regards Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] sound stutters and frame rate drop on dual core
Hal V. Engel schrieb: .. So Andreas should be golden at 60 FPS with his LCD display. .. Hal Hal, one last word about the problem, then I stop this discussion. It is NOT a *visual* problem, then 60 Hz on a LCD is really golden. The problem I am feeling at my PC is that with VSync ON and LOW VSync rates the general performance of FlightGear is worser, even the helicopter flightmodel *seems* not to be as smooth as with HIGHER VSync rates in my graphiccard setup. I explained this to myself that it *might* be that the FlightGear program is loosing time and with that performance ALSO for other tasks like scenery rendering, flightmodel etc. by waiting for the next frame to display IF you have a fast PC-system AND your vertical sync rate is rather LOW. But this is just a feeling I had when I started to solve the without VSync stuttering problem and tested different setups of my graphic card. A higher VSync rate would reduce these waiting cycles after my opinion. But it would be very interesting to get an answer from a real FG specialist whether FG really is loosing overall performance when synchronized down to a low VSync rate with a high performance PC system. Ok, this just said as I had the feeling there was a misunderstanding what the problem is. Regards Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing FG on Suse 10.2
Greg Olah schrieb: That would be great. I have Sunday available. I am going to try to remove the files and then start over. Thanks GregO Hi Greg, I just updated, improved and editet my Wiki article. All should be clear now. Please have a try: http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=OpenSUSE_10.1_10.2 Any questions? Feel free to ask - but remember my time-zone :-) Feedback very wellcome Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] G++ 4.1.2
Donn Washburn schrieb: Hey Group; I am trying to get SimGear 0.3.10 and/or a last night CVS version to compile. Both are coming up witht the same error. It seems to be with SuSE's g++ 4.1.2. Or is it a problem with plib, osg or openal? Hi Donn, I *just* updated and recompiled the PLIB and OSG branch CVS of FG with OpenSUSE 10.2 x86_64 without any problem (just for a test after receiving your mail). My install uses GCC-C++ 4.1.3-29. One personal hint: first try with SimGear and FlightGear as well make clean ./autogen.sh ./configure --prefix=X make; make install If this does NOT help, go into the source folders of SimGear and FlightGear (*CVS!!!* source code) and delete *ALL* except the CVS folder. Then start clean with cvs update -dP ./autogen.sh ./configure --prefix=X make; make install I have sometimes/seldom strange compile errors which can only be fixed by making this clean CVS update. Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] G++ 4.1.2
Donn Washburn schrieb: Thanks Georg; I do think it is a problem with G++ g++ --version gcc-4.1 (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux) As a passed email suggested I did down load plib and SimGear and their depend. Sim Gear fails every time in any version of SimGear as in my example. Donn, I got the previous reported the GCC-C++ version-number (4.1.3-29) as YAST showed me. As a real Linux n00b I did not know the command you used. Now when I tried [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~ g++ --version g++ (GCC) 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (SUSE Linux) Copyright (C) 2006 Free Software Foundation, Inc. it is obvious that I have the same version installed as you have. And this works here. Regards Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] G++ 4.1.2
Donn Washburn schrieb: Well that is a handy tool because rpm-q gcc O get the same one you came up with. However, gcc thinks it is something else. By the way if you have lost the error color that was in 10.1 I have a pearl script that will give it back if you need it. Hi Donn, thank you for the offer but I think I am too unexperienced to really take advantage of that. Might be sometimes in the future - with more knowledge - I'll come back to this. Please don't misunderstand me - I think you are more trained with Linux than I am - but if something doesn't work one should take any help, also from an one-eyed person :-). So please have a look at my Wiki article, I made some effort to update, improve and edit it. I would regard to delete all your source-stuff as it might be you have some old fixed files or mixed PLIB and OSG or something else. This might help you as a check-list to compare what you did and what is working here for ages very fine (since 10.1, now 10.2): http://wiki.flightgear.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=OpenSUSE_10.1_10.2 Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Installing FG on Suse 10.2
Greg Olah schrieb: With Win 2k no longer being supported and the intro of Windoze Vista; I am sick of Bill Gates (the anti-christ) in my wallet and wish to switch completely over to Linux. My system is dual boot with Suse 10.2 on another drive, but I can't seem to install Flight Gear on the Linux drive (the reason for keeping Windoze on my computer). Has anyone had success downloading and installing FG with Suse? I know there are instructions and I tried following them but SimGear doesn't appear to install properly. Does anyone have the Installing FlightGear in Linux for Dummies instructions? Thanks GregO Hi Greg, I think you had already a look at my instructions in the Wiki which is for OpenSUSE 10.1 but is mostly correct for OpenSUSE 10.2 (except that there aren't the described YAST errors anymore :-) ). http://hellosimon.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=OpenSUSE_10.1 If there are any problems I might help you this weekend with further instructions (off list???). It is early morning now here in Northern Germany and I am only awake due to a very heavy cold, I could not sleep anymore. Have to go to work in 4 hours, so I will try to get some more sleep now. If you are interested, please contact me and tell me if you have already tried following my instructions and failed. Due to the time-shift it is somehow more difficult to communicate but I'll try my very best to help you. Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys-and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Building FlightGear under Cygwin
Bill Galbraith schrieb: I am attempting to build the FlightGear package under Cygwin. I deleted an old installation of Cygwin and reloaded with fresh downloads, following the GetStart.pdf document. Some of the packages have changed somewhat, but I think that I have a decent installation. There was nothing specifically called out for the XFree86 package, so I'm not sure if it snuck in under the radar. I've compiled and installed ZLIB, PLIB, and I think OpenAL without any problems, but when I go do the ./configure for the SimGear stuff, it fails with a message saying that You *must* have the openal package installed on your system to build SimGear. It also suggests that I check the README.OpenAL file, which isn't there. So, it is likely that I have an extra package, like XFree86 or something else that is hosing me, or is it some special option for compiling OpenAL that installs it someplace else? How can I tell? Thanks, Bill - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users Hi Bill, it seems so long ago I built my last Cygwin system (on Linux now) but as I remember you have to do it this way (thanks to KEVIN who made this very nice Cygwin manual I cannot find anymore, just my poor notes:) 1. download cyg_openAL.tgz from http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv to ~/tar 2. tar -xzf ~/tar/cyg_openAL.tgz 3. copy c:\cygwin\usr\local\bin\openal32.dll to c:\windows\system32\openal32.dll Hope this helps a little Regards Georg - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Ship Flightplan
Neil Smith schrieb: To start with, I'd like to express my appretiation to Dene and Vivian for taking time to help me work through this problem. Right now I'm starting to wonder what it is that scenarios with flight plans work other places, but not when they're placed where I am. Latest results inserted in following... Hi Neil, sorry, I did not read this very long main in detail. But I understand that it is still not working for you. Therefore I created some stuff with my FGTools program which should work pretty well - at least on my PC. I only viewed the Ferry start (on land :-/) and then going the right direction, did some screenshots and shut FG. But the rest should also work, you have to try it. Screenshots: http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/FerryBoat/fgfs-screen-034.jpg http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/FerryBoat/fgfs-screen-039.jpg ZIP-File: http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/FerryBoat/FerryBoat.zip Just decompress, go into the folder, copy the data folder, go into your FlightGear folder where the data folder is, copy it over the existing data -folder (no harm is done). Then make your preferences.xml entries/activation. Make sure your FerryBoat1.ac is in Models/fgsdb !!! (this is the normal place and the path I put into my files) and not in Models/fgsdb/Models/f00gsdb as you set it. When it works for you, have a look at the differences. If you are interested to create more AI-files, do it the easy way. Have a look at FGTools, the AI-page. Use the Ufo to make waypoints (just by setting the cursor there), then read the ufo-xml-file with FGTools and convert it into an AI-File. You can set some parameters and edit it by hand later, if you want (ie different speed per waypoint). Creating the other file and handling preferences.xml is also done pretty easy with FGTools. Also it is not up-to-date anymore (development has been stopped last summer) and also the Manual is a little difficult to read as I did no more real work on it, only some additions as there were some people requesting the tool, it could be a great help. http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/FGTools-Win/FGTools14-1346.zip Hope this helps (and works for you) Regards Georg EDDW - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Ship Flightplan
Dene schrieb: Hi Georg Are these in BC (there area Neil is trying)? I really don't know, just typed in his lat/lon values and started FG with --lon=-123.44398 --lat=48.1225 in 1500 ft, although I noticed there was an airport below me. I was hoping to be able to do that this weekend but FG PC crashed so no flying 'til new HDD installed and all software re-installed... yours is most probably more pertinent being on a similar version of FG Cheers Dene NZWN Hope you fixed it! If interested, download this version of FGTools, no big changes to your version but some error-corrections. Regards Georg - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier. Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Error using aircraft=pa24-250
Dave Perry schrieb: On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 20:53 +0100, Georg Vollnhals wrote: Georg Vollnhals schrieb: Dave, this is part of the console output (another fresh update of *ALL* CVS and recompile (FG OSG branch)) with NOT working switches as described formerly. After I copied pa24.nas and pa24-electrical.nas into the pa24-250 folder all works fine. The replacement files I posted should not work with the current cvs and they should be the ones that are causing the Nasal errors. These files are compatible with the version in cvs several months ago. Since the current cvs pa24 gives the Nasal errors and the old Nasal files work, I must assume that you are launching an old binary w/o knowing it. You indicated you are using OpenSuse 10.2 x86_64. Is it possible that this distribution has a FlightGear-0.9.10 binary that is running when you think you are running the current cvs? How are you launching fgfs? Hi Dave, 1. there are no default FG binaries delivered with OpenSuse 2. I have two different binaries on my system - FG OSG and FG PLIB. 3. What I am running is very easy to differentiate by the display of some structures (ie. trees) I have in my sceneries (and 3D clouds, airplane shadows, etc) 4. I start FG OSG and FG PLIB either by its own FGTools program with the right pathes selected once and never changed (a new CVS compile only changes the binary, not the address) 5. I deleted the PA24-250 folder completely and made a cvs update -dP for the data folder as for the sources folder of SimGear and FG 6. I did not start this discussion, I just added that I had the same problem to back the user who was telling you his problems. 7. As there is no other user complaining about that problem, don't worry about it anymore. The PA24-250 does work for me very fine *with* your patches and for all the rest of the FlightGear world *without* them. So it might be a mysterious phenomenon not understandable for us :-) 8. Thank you very much for this aircraft. It is one of those rare real-life-proofen contributions to FlightGear and therefore extremly valuable for me. Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] SuSE Update cause FGFS problem
Curtis Olson schrieb: On 1/14/07, Donn Washburn wrote: Agree! But it caught me by surprise after a upgrade and the only thing that failed was Flightgear. I alway avoid runlevel 5 so no runlevel problem here. But not every Linux user has a complete kernel source ready to have the NV.run work. Anyway it was a warning for those that have NVidia video cards and SuSE. Hi Don, I suspect FlightGear is probably the only OpenGL based app that you run regularly. At least on Fedora, you've never needed full kernel source installed to install the NV drivers. As of FC6, the nvidia drivers install ontop of a stock FC6 install. I have had SELinux issues in past versions of FC where the extra protection prevented the nvidia drivers from being able to load/run, but there are selinux commands you can run to unprotect the individual libs. Regards, Curt. Hi, just to add another view: I upgraded my OpenSUSE 10.1 x86_64 to 10.2 end of December 2006 and had absolute no problems. During the upgrade process you are asked to keep or reinstall a lot of stuff which is found and I decided to reinstall nearly all except Wine, Lazarus and other programs from outside. I was very surprised that even Wine worked as before the upgrade. Naturally I had to install all not OpenSource drivers which is a decision of the OpenSUSE developers not to support this stuff. One of them was the NVidia driver which worked very fine afterwards. I remember that there is a step for step installation manual from NVidia and on one Wiki site which I followed very carefully. There was absolutely no need to compile any kernel source or something like that - I would have given up at this point as an absolutely Linux n00b. Only to add, I had to reinstall all that additional stuff you need to compile FlightGear (CVS) but this was very easy using the YAST system. So there might be two sides of the medal, I got the lucky one :-) Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Error using aircraft=pa24-250
Dave Perry schrieb: On Sat, 2007-01-13 at 05:35 +0100, Georg Vollnhals wrote: Dave Perry schrieb: On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 17:41 -0600, Donn Washburn wrote: It seems that the CVS version I have will not start the engine. It cranked and then quit. The space bar doesn't work The mixture and throttle was full scale This a Linux system Don, Is your fgfs compile from recent cvs or from several months ago? I get your symptoms with a recent pa24 running under the 0.9.10 WinXP binary (or even with months old cvs). Try replacing both pa24-electrical.nas and /Models/pa24.nas with the attached versions that I use with the 0.9.10 WinXP binaries. Hi Dave, just to inform you that it has been and still is the same problem with a fresh CVS source compile (SimGear/FlightGear-OSG) and a new CVS data update. All instrument settings, the levers and the starter-key work fine with the mouse but NOT the switches (main ... etc) so that it is unusable. Your nasal patches solve the problem, I just made a little testflight. This is on OpenSuse 10.2 x86_64. Hi Donn, Very strange??? The only changes in the two files that you say work are 1) replace setlistener(/sim/signals/fdm-initialized, init_electrical); with settimer(init_electrical, 0); at the end of pa24-electrical.nas, and 2) back out 4 instances of [nn, mm] in aircraft.light.new, replacing them with just the ordered pair nn, mm. The first makes sure that init_electrical is called independent of the fdm-initialized. This allows the electrical system to be initialized on most systems running fgfs from before Melchior Franz added the fdm-initialized call. The second variable change in aircraft.light.new was made by Melchior about a month ago. You must have an older fgfs binary that is being used instead of your new compile when you launch fgfs. If you still have the two cvs nas files, check the log window for Nasal Electrical System Initialized when you cannot start the pa24. If it is not there, the setlistener is not calling init_electrical because the value of fdm-initialized is never changed. Another check would be to use the pa24-electrical.nas file with settimer and the cvs version of pa24.nas together. If you are running a binary from before Melchior's data format change, the brackets will cause a number of nasal errors. I updated SimGear, source, and data from the osg branch just last night. Since I was checking that pa24 recent changes were correct, I deleted the pa24 before the updates and compiles. All is working here. Hi Dave, you checked that we are *two* different user who had the same problem? The last reply wasn't from Donn it was from me, Georg. After breakfast I'll try two things - first delete my fresh fgfs compile and do a new one to ensure I really have gotten the newest AND I delete the pa24-240 folder and get the newest from CVS so no file can *survive unwished* when doing a new CVS update. Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Error using aircraft=pa24-250
Dave Perry schrieb: On Fri, 2007-01-12 at 17:41 -0600, Donn Washburn wrote: It seems that the CVS version I have will not start the engine. It cranked and then quit. The space bar doesn't work The mixture and throttle was full scale This a Linux system Don, Is your fgfs compile from recent cvs or from several months ago? I get your symptoms with a recent pa24 running under the 0.9.10 WinXP binary (or even with months old cvs). Try replacing both pa24-electrical.nas and /Models/pa24.nas with the attached versions that I use with the 0.9.10 WinXP binaries. Hi Dave, just to inform you that it has been and still is the same problem with a fresh CVS source compile (SimGear/FlightGear-OSG) and a new CVS data update. All instrument settings, the levers and the starter-key work fine with the mouse but NOT the switches (main ... etc) so that it is unusable. Your nasal patches solve the problem, I just made a little testflight. This is on OpenSuse 10.2 x86_64. Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] World Map
Donn Washburn schrieb: Hey Group; I used to go to www.flightgear.org and then links to a site that had a world map. Then you could download various regions. I think I read where this site was withdrawn due to security reasons. Is this true? If No then where has it moved to? Hi Donn, do you mean this one? http://www.flightgear.org/Downloads/scenery-0.9.10.html Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] More planes
Arnt Karlsen schrieb: On Sun, 24 Dec 2006 15:10:53 +1300, Andrew wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tatsuhiro San, thank you for the linksI now have a fantastic looking SU-26M acrobatic plane in my hangar. It looks like it was converted from an MSFS 2004 model, ..hang on a sec, _is_ it? It _is_ your work, Tatsuhiro-san? ..beautiful looks does not always come from Microsoft. Lecture follows: Microsoft has their own theories on both the GPL and copyright, they instead prefer to rely on EULA contracts, which is much easier to litigate if you're wrong but have big pockets, than the GPL and copyright law. Now stop it! This discussion is due to a *pure rumor* from Andrew Gorman. The author of this plane is Flying Toaster and as I understood him it is his own work. Su-26 v1.0 alpha 1 Copyright 2006 Enrique Laso Leon Final releases will be released under GPL or LGPL but for the time being I reserve the rights to release any modification on the model. This is in order to get only one thread of development. This will NEVER be a commercial product. (July 2006, first message): http://forums.avsim.net/dcboard.php?az=show_topicforum=198topic_id=1882mesg_id=1882page=7 Thank you, Enrique Laso Leon, for your wonderful work! Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] CVS and fgfs istream.h
Melchior FRANZ schrieb: * Donn Washburn -- Saturday 16 December 2006 13:15: [...]: In function �std::istream operator(std::istream, FGNavRecord)�: [...] error: �fromGeod� is not a member of �SGVec3d� Umm ... and you are sure you have updated SimGear/CVS, too? (Hint: doesn't look like it. :-) m. To add, I never had any problems under OpenSuse 10.1 and just did 2 complete CVS updates/compilations (OSG and PLIB) under OpenSuse 10.2 (final version) (both x86_64). Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] CVS and fgfs istream.h
Frederic Bouvier schrieb: Donn Washburn a écrit : Frederic Bouvier wrote: You'd better avoid the jpeg factory for now. Try : $ configure --without-jpeg-factory -Fred That was it! Seems to compile rather cleanly now. Does this imply that libjpeg.so.# here has a unique problem? No, jpgFactory.cxx needs a port from plib to osg -Fred Sorry, I am not satisfied with this answer because it works without any problem here. Therefore I have to ask Donn whether he uses the right SimGear CVS. If he wants to compile OSG then he has to use the normal CVS branch, otherwise the SimGear-0.3-cvs-PREOSG CVS sources. jpgfactory.cxx is *different* in both branches, ie: --- OSG (Line 24 ..) #ifdef HAVE_WINDOWS_H # include windows.h #endif #include jpgfactory.hxx (Line 240 ..) //OSGFIXME // sgFrustrum 'frustrum = ssgGetFrustrum(); --- PLIB (Line 24 ..) #ifdef HAVE_WINDOWS_H # include windows.h #endif #include plib/ssg.h #include jpgfactory.hxx ... (Line 240 ..) sgFrustrum 'frustrum = ssgGetFrustrum(); - Did Donn use the wrong SimGear CVS branch for his compile? Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] CVS and fgfs istream.h
Frederic Bouvier schrieb: I am sorry you are sorry, but the frustrum definition is commented out, so HEAD CVS *cannot* compile at the line following this last one. For this, you'd have to provide a valid definition for it before it is used ( again line 242 ). And it is exactly the error Donn is writing about. Fred, I am no coder at all. I just thought about why it compiles here in both OSG and PLIB versions and not for Donn as we both use OpenSuse 10.x. I don't know what is the miracle happening on your box, Maybe the force is with me .. but the --without-jpeg-factory option is the surest guess. No doubt at all! What I said remain true anyway. We need to port jpgFactory.cxx from plib to osg. The //OSGFIXME comment is there as an hint. -Fred Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Wish List
Andrew Gorman schrieb: Hi Dene, dont joke, I just made a low poly uh1d last night as a test. It looks like it should but need more development. Will post a pic os it once I get it off the laptop :) Slainte, Andy NZCH Hi Andy-san! Beside you very impressing knowledge of the Japanese language :-) I would ask you not to put this *low poly* UH 1D to waste. *This* is what we searching for not only to decorate military airbases around the western world but here in Germany we still have some of them in special use. A low poly is just what we need (of course the high poly for virtual flying), so please share it with us. Either you give it to Stockills database if it is in the right format or I could convert it to *.ac. Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys - and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear Virtual Airline?
Didier Fabert schrieb: and likde this ? http://didier.fabert.free.fr/images/737-Flightgear-r3.jpg http://didier.fabert.free.fr/images/733FA-r3.rgb Wow, Didier! This looks really great!!! But have to test it later - this was a FlightGear night - now off to get some sleep! Georg - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] FlightGear Virtual Airline? New Thread Live ATC
What's about FAIR - The FlightGear Airline Georg - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] [Fwd: Re: FGTools for Linux only for 64bit now]
Kees Lemmens schrieb: This is not completely true : if you compile only statically linked binaries (this means they do not depend on any libraries but have all required librarycode linked in) it will work fine on all Linux versions. Only drawback is that the code will be a lot larger. Hi Kees, although my reply comes a little late I read your feedback with great interest as this would be the best solution for me, so I look out for further information. These days, nobody should care about some more MB more for a program which is only in RAM as long as you use it. Regards Georg - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] FGTools for Linux only for 64bit now
Hi Sid, also to you like to all other nice people trying FGTools/Linux and giving feedback to me a big thank you for testing! Reading from the digest, I'd advise against installing the 32-bit distro on the 64-bit box. Yes, thank you for the advice. And it would be a shame as the 64bit system runs like a rabbit. I am very satisfied with OpenSuse 10.1 x86_64 although it is pretty clear that (except the FGTools desaster) some problems with the O/S (better to say: some solutions to find) made me get some more gray hairs. :-) But I would not change back anymore. Never had such a stable system as the WinXP SP2 did not work very well with my new PC hardware. I had to use a new Sata hd combined with an old IDE hd because this has another 120 GB, I had some serious data losses with XP. Although I am now really *working* with the OpenSUSE system, trying a lot of the new stuff, setting up compilers and compiling systems (like for FlightGear), downloading a lot and making a lot of errors (means trouble for the O/S) as I am such a n00b I love the system for its *stability*, *security* and *trustworthiness*. No new thrilling information for an old Linux guy like most of you, but exciting for me :-) If you can't get 32-bit binaries built, I'd say forget it and let someone with the skills do it in c++. With 10.1 x86_64 installed, you can build 32-bit binaries. I don't know if it's possible with pascal, but gcc has a -m32 option, configure options --libdir=32 --libsuffix=32 are also available. I will ask the Lazarus developers as soon as I have some time. They should know why my checking the i386 compiler option did not work.Might be I have to install some other libraries (32bit) or something like that. On my Athlon 64x2 I got a floating point exception, I'll collect the data later. As the binary is 64-bit, as pointed out, it will not run on 32-bit, I didn't even attempt it after this check. # file fgtoolsv13-48 fgtoolsv13-48: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, AMD x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.4.0, stripped Yes, all testers reported this. And Hal V. Engel did some more work behind that and wrote a very long list what did not work on his system even when he got it running due to unexpected dependencies. I thought it to be a complete run alone due to its big size (two times bigger than the stand alone Windows compile) but it is *not*. I now deleted the Linux stuff from my homepage until I get a 32bit working output sometimes in the future. Thank you once again, I learned a lot from this constructive feedback! Regards Georg - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Flightgear-users] [Fwd: Re: FGTools for Linux only for 64bit now]
Original-Nachricht Betreff:Re: [Flightgear-users] FGTools for Linux only for 64bit now Datum: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 06:33:49 +0200 Von:Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: Hal V. Engel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Referenzen: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hal V. Engel schrieb: Hope this was helpful. Yes, more than that! Hal Hal, first let me thank you very much for your long and informative feedback which I appreciate very much! This is really a pure *desaster* not because FGTools does not work as expected but due to all your wasted valuable sparetime, sorry about that! I checked this all on my own system but transfered my Windows knowledge to Linux and I should not have done this, it was really somehow very naive. So the only thing I can do now is excuse me for the trouble I caused and give myself some more time to get more knowledge about Linux. Your list will be *very* helpful to check where the problems are if one wants to share executives under Linux. In the meantime I will go back to the FlightGear model and scenery work which has been stopped when I changed from Windows to OpenSuse O/S. The Menden-Barge gliderfield with thermals might compensate a little what you sufferend while testing my waste-stuff! Will be uploaded soon. Once again, thank you very much for your help and cooperation! Regards Georg - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] [Fwd: Re: FGTools for Linux only for 64bit now]
Frederic Bouvier schrieb: This is why people prefer to have the sources. Not to hack it, but just to build an executable that fits their system. I found that shared library problems are worst on Linux than on Windoze. So many distributions, so many vendors and so many different versions around ( just look the number of different GCC version with their different ABI and different level of C++ compliance ), that, without special care, an executable usually only works on the distro it has been build for. Thank you for the explanation. What I learned is that it is not only the 32/64bit Problem (what could be solved without big problems) but that Linux-A is not equal to Linux-B and that it seems not possible to compile *one* executive program which runs without problems under all Linux versions. I did not know that until now, otherwise I would have been more careful. BTW: is FGTools Open Source ? *Yes* in the sense that everone on the list can get the code from me without any copyrights and can do with it what he wants. Just drop me a mail. As I NEVER had the intention to make a project but only to SHARE my personal tools as ready-to-run-programs - like the Win32 FGTools is - nobody should look for structured code, English comments or any more professional way one would go if code-sharing is intended. The core of this program is still a FLY! 2 toolkit I wrote over the years before I came to FlightGear. I could use many parts as the basic structures of FLY! 2 and FlightGear are pretty similar. And I never planned anything. I started with the problem how to start FlightGear and Atlas with one keypress at the same time with special parameters from the Win XP GUI - FGRun did not support that at this time as it might now do. The next was I need a helper for model placement. No manual calculations which STG file to use, no manual editing of the STG files, easy backup of the edited STG files, etc. Then it was making AI-files without big work, now I am working on semiautomatic creation of buildings, writing the *.ac files from some simple inputs (length, width, height, flat roof or other roofs ...). So FGTools only represents some solutions for repeating work to do to save time and energy - I am a real lazy guy! One thing left: the core-code of FGTools would be available now - some external routines had to cut out of big libraries from projects I am working on for my job - they are not free as a whole but I would cut out the FGTools associated functions and put them into a new library. This could last some time as I now want to finish some scenery projects I am still working on for a longer time. *No* in the meaning that I would publish the code for a wider audience. Simply, because it is very bad in style and structure and commented in German. -Fred Regards Georg - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Flightgear-users] FGTools for Linux only for 64bit now
Hi, I got an unexpected feedback that the Linux FGTools version is not working on 32bit systems but should on 64bit. Please excuse my error, actually it is not possible for me to offer another version. Any further feedback from user with Linux x86_64 systems would be great. I am really a Linux n00b and can only improve my knowledge by this. Thank you very much in advance! Georg - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenSUSE 10.1, compiling FG CVS
Sid Boyce schrieb: The best analogy I can come up with - when I approach an aeroplane type I've never flown before, the main instruments and controls are all the same, but I just have to learn how to fly it with the aid of an instructor and reading documents. To attempt flying it with current knowledge would almost certainly be the final installment to my obituary. Regards Sid. Good example Sid, is similar on my daily job! And Craig, just to add - today I feel that it is like a chain reaction. Once you get familiar with some of the basics (ie doing some things with the console like changing rights with chown ((open a console and type in chown --help))) you get faster and faster with your learning process. It helped me much (and that might a way for you too?) that I bought some brandnew but pretty outdated books about (SuSE) Linux - together more then 1400 pages for about $20. Ok, the biggest book is from the year 2000 for SuSE 6.4 and the other from 1999 but the *basics* are all the same, pretty nice that Linux gets better and better (and if you want it - like me - more comfortable with modern GUI) but you can use all that 6 year old stuff to get better knowledge and solve problems - especially what you can do with all that console commands, etc. You can get a lot of help and information online but I am a sort of old dino and like to work with a good book, make my own notes into it, etc. And - very important for me - all the time you spend now to learn is not lost, it will be very valuable even with XX Linux version 2010! No comparison to all these Windows versions, I threw all the books away whenever a new version came out, background-things changed a lot. So Craig, give Linux a chance. After 14 days working with OpenSUSE very intensive I am fully conviced that this is my O/S from now on. To be honest, there are some things I dislike. But I dislike much more all these data-losses I had under Win XP SP2 during the last year. I never had such a stable working system like I have now. There are some Linux programs which are buggy, I even had to note that one blocked my PC fully, but all this did not result in data-loss! Regards Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] OpenSUSE 10.1, compiling FG CVS
craig schrieb: Sid Boyce wrote: Georg Vollnhals wrote: Good stuff applicable to any version of SuSE/openSUSE, today I successfully built and installed it on openSUSE 10.2Alpha4. The only problem that still persists and it's a linux-usb problem of longstanding that the developers never got back to me on, is that the buttons and controls of the CH Yoke and Pedals won't work after a reboot, they have to be removed and replugged, then they work fine. Strange that all other devices, webcam, digital camera, printer, card reader, USB HD and scanner don't need such intervention - this came on after the change of the hid input layer back in 2.6.1x. Ahh that explains my problem some more. This is strange as I would have expected hot swapping to fail before boot device detection! I don't know why but my SUSE 10.1 doesn't seem to let Flightgear see the Yoke as I've got no controls at all at present. Might be time to get the CVS and build it locally Craig I have a *similar* problem with my usb-joystick, not the same. To get it recognized I had to do a trick - assign a (any) usb-device (I used a Logitech Gamepad USB) to my onboard soundcard (gameport) with YAST. Then my HID 0583:2032 (/dev/input/js0) joystick gets recognized by the KDE Kontrollzentrum (= controll-center), can be calibrated there and works fine. Although it is then present after every reboot of the PC (without that described un-/replugging) the calibration values are lost and I have to calibrate it everytime I have a new PC startup. And I had it lost once I did a very long flight - the device got uncalibrated and the airplane crashed. I already made a bug-report to the KDE people, they might be the wrong ones if it is a SUSE system problem. Ok, I have to look for a SUSE bug-report then, as you possibly did already. Regards Georg @Craig: I am still converting some of the FGTools functions and was wrong when I thought this would be a question of *hours*. This is true for 95% of the code. But for the rest it is a question of *days* for a Linux n00b. To find out how to access the users home directory automatically (to read the UFO-export-XML-file by FGTools and let it do all that automated things) when the Lazarus functions cannot use the '~' sign was a real task. Now I learned to read the environment-variable HOME by a special function. So there is a big delay! But work goes on. - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Flightgear-users] OpenSUSE 10.1, compiling FG CVS
Hi, any newbee to (Open)SUSE 10.1 who is interested to get a tutorial how to get a running CVS FlightGear compilation working should have a look at the FG Wiki http://hellosimon.org/flightgear_wiki/index.php?title=OpenSUSE_10.1 This is how I prepared the OpenSuse 10.1 system, what programs and datas are needed, where and how to get all and how to compile. I started to work with OpenSuse seriously a short time ago and it took me a lot of time and energy to learn all what is needed. This tutorial should make life easier for other n00bs like me. Any feedback/corrections are wellcome. Regards Georg HeliFlyer EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Sid Boyce, can you help me please - FG CVS, SUSE 10.1
Sid Boyce schrieb: Georg Vollnhals wrote: You can use YaST Software Management -- Package Groups -- Development installing gcc, gcc-c++, glibc should be all that's necessary. Regards Sid. Hi Sid, first thank you very much for your prompt reply. That is what I tried first (and several times again). YAST offers that glib* stuff but no gcc/-c++ compiler. I installed all from the development package. May be you own the commercial SUSE 10.1 version? I installed the free OpenSuse 10.1. Anyway, it would be nice if you tell me what version you own. Then I try on the OpenSuse forum and ask for the missing stuff. Regards Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Sid Boyce, can you help me please - FG CVS, SUSE 10.1
craig schrieb: Hi Georg, In YAST is your installation source the CD or DVD? If so disable it and try adding these servers: Click Add and then HTTP in the popup menu. Add this address to the Server Name field and then click OK. packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.1 (select a mirror if this address doesn't work) You might get errors, ignore them and continue. Add these two servers also: mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/inst-source/ mirrors.kernel.org/opensuse/distribution/SL-10.1/non-oss-inst-source/ These may take a few minutes to update but once they have got the lists check to see if these packages are installed in Yast software manager: gcc make HTH's Craig Wow, Craig! That works for me, thank you a lot, I am really happy now as I tried a *lot* of hours to solve this problem myself but failed :-( I just installed the gcc/++ stuff with YAST2 after updating the install sources with your links. BTW, I installed OpenSuse from the 5 CDs and there were a lot of other problems first until I got the broken updating system working. But I really like OpenSuse, it is a very nice system for a Linux n00b like me - and I had no problems to get my Lazarus/Free Pascal development system installed and could get my FGTools program running under Linux. Once again, I am really thankful! Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Sid Boyce, can you help me please - FG CVS, SUSE 10.1
craig schrieb: Cool! Glad that worked for you. Had to do all that to get my graphics card working. Let us know how the FGTools is going. Never played with it but others report it being useful. Keep up the good work. Is Lazarus good? Craig - Hi Craig, as for FGTools I have to do 2 things a) adapt the Linux GUI to the other fonts (sizes ..) and - more important - Linux specific file-pathes. When I developed this tool it was for Win32 and Cygwin and I had no clue about the specific Linux needs. Now a lot of it is done and I already can use it to start the program and - more important - do all that model and scenery administration as I am now developing with Blender and Gimp under OpenSuse - this is luckily no change to Win32! After making one important function work under Linux (creating an airport selection file which is needed by the FGTools GUI, I just copied the Win32 one to Linux for my own needs) I could upload it to my homepage if you are interested. Then you could test whether it works for you. It is less than an Alpha as not all pages/functions are converted but you could work with all the important ones - I will give you a short instruction what works and what not. Just give a feedback. Lazarus is a wonderful project. I stopped working with Delphi 6.x in 2005 when I discovered this OpenSource and multiplatform project and tested that it worked fine. There are more pro than contra arguments. It is a really big developer community with a fast developing speed. And for a guy like me who developed his whole PC life with Pascal and Delphi it is a real present (I started working with Pascal and 8080/Z80 Assembler program parts at the good times of CP/M O/S). Just ask me for further infos/installing help for OpenSuse , links, screenshots or something else if you are interested. One thing at last, sorry but you might help me a second time. I get this error-message when compiling plib-1.8.4 source (and the same for the "recent.tar.gz from plib). Any idea what is wrong? In file included from ssgaSphere.cxx:32: ssgaSphere.h:32:47: warning: no newline at end of file if g++ -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\" -DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DPACKAGE=\"plib\" -DVERSION=\"1.8.4\" -DHAVE_LIBPTHREAD=1 -DHAVE_LIBGL=1 -DHAVE_LIBDL=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1 -DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -I. -I. -I../../src/sg -I../../src/ssg -I../../src/util -g -O2 -Wall -MT ssgaCelestialBody.o -MD -MP -MF ".deps/ssgaCelestialBody.Tpo" -c -o ssgaCelestialBody.o ssgaCelestialBody.cxx; \ then mv -f ".deps/ssgaCelestialBody.Tpo" ".deps/ssgaCelestialBody.Po"; else rm -f ".deps/ssgaCelestialBody.Tpo"; exit 1; fi In file included from ssgaCelestialBody.cxx:36: ssgaSphere.h:32:47: warning: no newline at end of file ssgaSky.h:107: error: extra qualification ssgaCelestialBodyList:: on member ssgaCelestialBodyList ssgaSky.h:195: error: extra qualification ssgaCloudLayerList:: on member ssgaCloudLayerList make[2]: *** [ssgaCelestialBody.o] Fehler 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/tar/plib-1.8.4/src/ssgAux' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/tar/plib-1.8.4/src' make: *** [all-recursive] Fehler 1 Regards Georg BTW: today is my "sunday" as I had to work the whol weekend. That is why I try to get further with FG CVS ... - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Sid Boyce, can you help me please - FG CVS, SUSE 10.1
Dene schrieb: Hi Craig Let us know how the FGTools is going. Never played with it but others report it being useful. Keep up the good work. Is Lazarus good? Craig IMHO ...I reckon FGTools is a definite 12/10... in fact, to say; I wouldn't be disappointed if FGRun was replaced by FGTools is a gross understatement...but that's from a windows perspective. but this is OT so will keep it short... enough to say, if Georg gets enough encouragement, FGTools development might be resumed and leave no doubt to it's superiority over FGRun... :-Dene Hi Dene, nice to hear you are there and hopefully doing well :-) It is good to hear that at least you use FGTools. As you know, I never felt that FGTools is in competition with FGRun - I am a big fan of FGRun and of our common friend Frederic Bouvier. He is a real prof coder with great skills and I hope that he'll working for FG his life long :-) FGTools is more a collection of my own tools and aimed to more experienced FG user and especially to scenery/AI file designer/creators. I did some little improvements especially on the models and AI page and - more important - corrected some bugs. Only the manual is not uptodate. Nevertheless, I'll do a fresh compile this late European evening, put it on my homepage and give the link to you. You know, you can always ask if there are questions left! And if you, Dene, are interested in FGTools furthermore I will keep up implimenting new functions into the Win32 version although it has some different GUI than the Linux one (but the engine in the back is the same). All the best to you, my friend. How is your scenery work going on? You may also contact me via private eMail if you have some news! Regards Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Sid Boyce, can you help me please - FG CVS, SUSE 10.1
Georg Vollnhals schrieb: craig schrieb: ... One thing at last, sorry but you might help me a second time. I get this error-message when compiling plib-1.8.4 source (and the same for the recent.tar.gz from plib). Any idea what is wrong? In file included from ssgaSphere.cxx:32: ssgaSphere.h:32:47: warning: no newline at end of file ... Hi Craig, please stop thinking about my problem, I could solve it luckily myself = downloaded from plib CVS = had to install autoconf and automake (also lacking in OpenSuse 10.1) = plib compiled without problems! Now going on with further compiling - I hope the force is with me :-) Thank you again! Georg - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Flightgear-users] Craig and Sid, thank you for your help!
Hi Craig and Sid, just as a feedback: I just tested my first selfcompiled CVS version of FlightGear under OpenSuse 10.1 (64) and it works perfectly! What a wonderful day for me :-) Doing the compile work was easy after I have got these additional links for the SUSE YAST2 installer from Craig. And to give something back, next weekend I'll write some lines for the FG wiki as a help for other OpenSuse n00bs like me, this might be helpful! Once again, thank you very much! Without your help I would have been lost in the Linux jungle. Regards Georg EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Flightgear-users] Sid Boyce, can you help me please - FG CVS, SUSE 10.1
It's best to use CVS versions wherever possible, CVS freeglut works just fine. I've built RPM's for x86 and will have to check to see if they are still around as I changed hard drives a while back and they may be on the old one. Earlier today I built and installed everything on an Athlon 64x2 box with openSuSE 10.1 x86_64, the full set of RPM's generated with checkinstall and working. freealut-1.1.0.tar.gz and openal-0.0.8.tar.gz had to be used, though to build openal, it needed openal.xpm one directory up, so I had to copy it over from an earlier download - openal is looking a bit untidy with regards to Linux, they seem to be concentrating more heavily on Windows and OSX, may be SDL is the way to go. I am using plib that I built from CVS on 13th. August. The build instructions for FlightGear are quite straightforward, but it needs careful attention especially with regards to freealut, freeglut and openal, SimGear and FlightGear pose no problems. Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Retired IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks Hi Sid! 1. I am a totally Linux n00b 2. After installing and updating a OpenSuse 10.1 x86_64 0/S all is running fine (FlightGear precompiled package, other addon-stuff) 3. I followed your instruction but was stopped soon after starting to compile There was NO gcc compiler (only a precompiler) installed in OpenSuse 10.1 _64 and no (online/YAST) update possibility. At last I found a gcc x86_64 rpm by searching a rpm-search-internet-site. 4. But there are obviously some things missing, or I have to configure something I don't have the knowledge as a Linux starter: When running ./configure g++, c++, gpp etc are not found! I am adding the first part of the configure-output at the bottom of this message. I also run ./autogen.sh before ./configure and it had some strange output (other than I am used from Cygwin). And I show the contents of the installed gcc files at the message bottom. 5. Can you give me a hint?/ a help?. I searched a lot with Google and rpm-find and .. but could not get any result which I found helpful for my problem. Thank you very much in advance, I really want get this running as I decided to nearly fully change from WinXP to OpenSuse. Actually I am doing 95 % of my daily work with the new Linux build. Regards Georg EDDW Here are the facts: _*1. What I have actually installed: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/lib64/gcc ls -lhR .: insgesamt 0 drwxr-xr-x 3 root root 72 2006-04-29 00:20 x86_64-suse-linux ./x86_64-suse-linux: insgesamt 0 drwxr-xr-x 4 root root 448 2006-09-25 01:33 4.1.0 ./x86_64-suse-linux/4.1.0: insgesamt 5,7M drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 320 2006-09-25 01:33 32 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5,3M 2006-04-29 00:22 cc1 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 106K 2006-04-29 00:22 collect2 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2,4K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtbegin.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2,9K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtbeginS.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2,9K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtbeginT.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,9K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtend.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,9K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtendS.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3,2K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtfastmath.o drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 504 2006-09-25 01:33 include -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 112K 2006-04-29 00:20 libgcc.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 43K 2006-04-29 00:20 libgcc_eh.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 35K 2006-04-29 00:20 libgcov.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 87K 2006-04-29 00:20 SYSCALLS.c.X ./x86_64-suse-linux/4.1.0/32: insgesamt 160K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,6K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtbegin.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2,2K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtbeginS.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,9K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtbeginT.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,3K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtend.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,6K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtendS.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3,6K 2006-04-29 00:20 crtfastmath.o -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 76K 2006-04-29 00:20 libgcc.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 32K 2006-04-29 00:20 libgcc_eh.a -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 25K 2006-04-29 00:20 libgcov.a ./x86_64-suse-linux/4.1.0/include: insgesamt 192K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 41K 2006-04-28 23:19 emmintrin.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5,3K 2006-04-28 23:19 float.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,4K 2006-04-28 23:19 iso646.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3,4K 2006-04-28 23:19 limits.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4,9K 2006-04-28 23:19 mm3dnow.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 26K 2006-04-28 23:19 mmintrin.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,9K 2006-04-28 23:19 mm_malloc.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3,8K 2006-04-28 23:19 pmmintrin.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 750 2006-04-28 23:19 README -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4,3K 2006-04-28 23:19 stdarg.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1,6K 2006-04-28 23:19 stdbool.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13K 2006-04-28 23:19 stddef.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 330 2006-04-28 23:19 syslimits.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8,9K 2006-04-28 23:19 unwind.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 139 2006-04-28 23:19 varargs.h -rw-r--r-- 1 root
Re: [Flightgear-users] SUSE 10.1 FG
Hi Georg, I can now run FG but its slower than a snail on this system. I have an ATI 7000m and thats most likely the problem I think. Any suggestions on how to diagnose whats wrong and where to go from there? I have enabled accelerated graphics but am wondering if thats only done in software for this card. Craig Craig, if noone from this list can help you then it might be a good idea to ask on the OpenSuse Forum as this is not a FlightGear specific problem with your ATI card but a problem for all hardware accelerated 3D programs/sims/games. As there is a very nice German OpenSuse forum there should also be one in English language. Regards Georg - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] SUSE 10.1 FG
craig schrieb: Does anyone have a package assembled for SUSE 10.1? I'm just starting with SUSE and while I'd love to do a compile for fun I don't have the skills to do that yet. I'm looking forward to a better expereince with FG on SUSE than Wins#$%! TIA Craig Hi Craig, *Donn Washburn* gave a lot of hints how to compile FG under Suse. I am very glad to get such a precise explaination and copied and printed his reply immediately for my archive :-) But as for me this is one step to far - although I tried several Linux distributions over the last year the only thing I could install without any problems was TORCS (the racing car sim). To compile FG was far behind my scope. Now I am back to SuSe as this seems the best Linux distro for me now - all my special hardware was recognized automatically and runs fine (ie. Kubuntu could not handle). Now I am making another try to get FG running under Linux (SuSe 10.1). Melchior Franz postet a link for FG *.rpm for SuSe 10.0 some time ago on the German FlightGear Forum. Although this link is not valid (partially) anymore, I followed the base-link and found *.rpm for Suse 10.1 http://repos.opensuse.org/home:/lmich/SUSE_Linux_10.1/repodata/ When I tried to install with Yast there were unsolved dependencies: openAl and plib and FG data. The first two could be solved easily be installing them from the SuSe installation disks (with Yast). The third is a real problem for me, of course I have all the FG data but a) I don't know where to place them in SuSe Linux b) I don't know how the installer gets knowledge of the place I put it (dependency error) c) One must have the matching data to the FG main program compilation So I download the data from the same link as above and hope that it installs to the right place itself. As this process is very slow (I have a fast DSL connection, but the server is very slow) I cannot say anything about the result now (have to download some hours more). If you try this way it would be very nice if you can tell me whether you were lucky or not (= get a running FG install). You may contact me off list but I think this problems (and the solution) are of interest for other Linux newbees as well, so we should use this mailing list. All the best, hope this helps a little - and thank you Donn Washburn for your hints, will be of big value for step 2! Regards Georg HeliFlyer EDDW - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] SUSE 10.1 FG
Sid Boyce schrieb: Georg Vollnhals wrote: It's best to use CVS versions wherever possible, CVS freeglut works just fine. I've built RPM's for x86 and will have to check to see if they are still around as I changed hard drives a while back and they may be on ... Regards Sid. Thank you Sid, my SuSE installation is also for AMD64 ( .._64). I just finished the last download of the rpms and will have a last try before going to bed. Sure, my aim is to build a CVS system, later. Thank you for your hints which then will be very valuable. Regards Georg - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Century Wind Project (resend)
JD Fenech schrieb: I don't know much about doing scenery, though I've read a few good tutorials. I might have to make the models of the turbines, as well. Just one additional hint to what Andrew answered - there is already a very nice windturbine model in FlightGear! A real *lot* of them (may be many thousands) are placed in FlightGear for Germany (I am not sure they are already in the default scenery but you can get them as additional scenery from Jon Stockill's repository http://fgfsdb.stockill.org/ ) and if you want to have a look at them in the sim just install northern Germany and have a nice sim-flight - you can't miss them as they are *anywhere* like in real life. All the best to your project! Regards Georg HeliFlyer EDDW - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Century Wind Project (resend)
Georg Vollnhals schrieb: JD Fenech schrieb: I don't know much about doing scenery, though I've read a few good tutorials. I might have to make the models of the turbines, as well. Just one additional hint to what Andrew answered - there is already a very nice windturbine model in FlightGear! A real *lot* of them (may be many thousands) are placed in FlightGear for Germany (I am not sure they are already in the default scenery but you can get them as additional scenery from Jon Stockill's repository http://fgfsdb.stockill.org/ ) and if you want to have a look at them in the sim just install northern Germany and have a nice sim-flight - you can't miss them as they are *anywhere* like in real life. All the best to your project! Regards Georg HeliFlyer EDDW To add to my last post: You can find the model of the windturbine (moving rotors!): [YourFlightGear]\data\Models\windturbine.ac and windturbine.xml To install scenery where you can see the windturbine in action, take Northern Germany (as an example): You need The model files of the area: http://fgfsdb.stockill.org/download/e000n50.tgz The terrain files of the area: ftp://ftp.flightgear.org/pub/fgfs/Scenery-0.9.10/e000n50.tgz Regards Georg HeliFlyer EDDW - Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Usable tools for .ac files.
David Baron schrieb: I installed blender. This looks like one big mess. UI, mouse actions, etc. ... I want to either import preexisting object or enter geometric shapes (or wire-frames), place decorations, surfaces and save .ac for new object. Is there a nicer tool available? Hi David, I am still learning by doing but would not change Blender against any other 3d-program anymore. My break-through was doing this tutorial step by step - although it is for X-Plane the basic steps are the same for FlightGear. Only uv-texturing is done with *.rgb files (- Gimp graphic program) and the more advanced LOD-stuff is X-Plane specific. http://marginal.org.uk/x-planescenery/ There are some important other links: http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/QuickStart You should also have a look at these two beginner tutorials: http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Building_a_Castle.256.0.html http://www.blender3d.org/_media/education/quickstart/Texturing_Castle.html video-tutorials: http://www.blender.org/cms/Video_Tutorials.396.0.html Some common links: http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/Manual/Manual http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D/Noob_to_Pro http://www.blender3d.org/Education/index_old.php?sub= There are uncountable tutorials on the net, all you have to do is to start with one! Give Blender a chance! Regards Georg HeliFlyer EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] SimGear make problem
Johnny Lollipop schrieb: I am following the instructions at: http://www.flightgear.org/Docs/Tutorials/fg_cygwin/fgfs_cygwin.htm This part works I think: ./configure -–prefix=/fg-cvs I am having trouble with make. If you would like the make readout as a notepad txt file I can send it directly to your personal e-mail address. Otherwise here it is. Because of the error it is really short. ../../simgear/math/SGQuat.hxx:134:35: macro min requires 2 arguments, but only 1 given I had the same problem and the solution was given to me by some nice people here on the list - sorry I have no link to the old theme! Simple way to solve it: CPPFLAGS=-DNOMINMAX ./configure --prefix=/fg-cvs (^^ added to ./configure... ) or you add to your local .bash_profile file (...home/yourname/..) LDFLAGS=-L/usr/local/lib CXXFLAGS=-pipe -O2 -Wall -DWIN32 -DNOMINMAX -DHAVE_WINDOWS_H CFLAGS=$CXXFLAGS export LDFLAGS export CXXFLAGS export CFLAGS Regards Georg HeliFlyer EDDW - Take Surveys. Earn Cash. Influence the Future of IT Join SourceForge.net's Techsay panel and you'll get the chance to share your opinions on IT business topics through brief surveys -- and earn cash http://www.techsay.com/default.php?page=join.phpp=sourceforgeCID=DEVDEV ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] dehavilland - for Andrew Gorman
You might have gathered from some of my posts that I am a big fan of your FGTools and shall continue to use it Cheer :-D ene Hi Dene, thank you very much for the compliments :-) Ok, you and Andrew have at least used it at some time. But there was absolutely no other feedback, either good or bad. So I think there is not that big common interest among Windows user for it. Development-time splits into different parts - coding, user GUI/help/security and documentation. You need a lot more time for the two last parts when coding is already finished and it works fine. This makes only sense if there is an interest for the tool in the community. I decided better to improve the local scenery within the next months. This will be more profitable for the FlightGear community, at least for all these flying in Europe. Of course I will inform you and anyone interested if I make further improvements to FGTools (ie as you suggested). All the best to you down-under scenery builder! Regards Georg Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] dehavilland - for Andrew Gorman
Andrew Gorman schrieb: Hi Dene, awsome I use FGTools to boot Flight Gear these days instead of the default icon link as it allows me to boot up with or without Atlasusually I boot with Atlas as it is s cool to have (Im not a command line person and coding is a foriegn language to me...im an illustrator...) :) Will try the command line thing and see what happens :) Slainte, Andy Hi Andy, I had to work the whole weekend and just looking through the eMails, therefore the delay. I don't know which version of FGTools you are using - but although this project is dead now I put the latest version (1.3-39) on my homepage, there is also a new (incomplete) pdf doc for this version enclosed. http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/FGT/__FGTools14.zip Regards Georg EDDW Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Modelling
JD Fenech schrieb: I've been lurking for awhile and I'm curious about a few things pertaining to models: 1. I've heard a bit about AC3D and pretty-polly for models. Obviously these aren't the only formats. I know FG uses plib and it probably only supports a few models. I'm considering doing a little experimental programming for my own benefit, and want to take a crack at (for starting) static models and simple objects. What are some good formats for this? 2. What are some other good libraries for using them? I'm not very good at using other people's libraries, and I need some practice. I'm on a Wintendo, and it's an older one at that. (Is OpenSG comparable, or are they completely different?) 3. How does plib compare to these other libraries? 4. Could someone with some experience give me a short breakdown of the advantages and disadvantages of the various model formats they know? Thanks, JD Hi JD, I myself started only some months ago with doing some 3D-modelling for local objects. My skills are very limited until now but I am sure that I will have created a lot of buildings and landmarks until the end of this year. Because I was very sure about this plan I decided to use Blender, an OpenSource and therefore free 3D-graphic-modelling-program. It was the same sort of decision which made me change from commercial flightsims to FlightGear in August,2005: I want my work preserved for the future, because I don't like throwing something to waste because a company decides to change data-formats without documentation OR decides not to go on with a next version of the program due to commercial decisions. And because there is a community around the developers and users have to chance to take influence on decisions and (if they are very lucky) a personal wish will get realized, ie. a new function is implemented into the program. And because Blender fits very well with FlightGear (as well as AC3D) with the *.ac format which one *should* use for FlightGear models. The disadvantage is that Blender is very user unfriendly from the GUI, at least for us Windows-user. AC3D is *a lot* easier to use at the beginning, but as I discovered after working through some manuals and tutorials, if you understand some of the principles and the philosophy of Blender it is as easy to use for the basic functions (I only refer to the basic functions as I am not so far with my skills and knowledge to decide about the advanced ones). General link: http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Home.2.0.html If you start with Blender, you should work through some tutorials AT FIRST LOOK AT THESE VIDEOS (DivX), expecially INTERFACE and 3DCONCEPT: http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Getting_started.400.0.html You should start with these two tutorials, at least have a look at them!!! http://www.blender3d.org/_media/education/quickstart/Building_Castle.html http://www.blender3d.org/_media/education/quickstart/Texturing_Castle.html Here a hangar for X-Plane is created with Blender and textured! - all is nearly identical for FlightGear except the export (which is very easy with the implemented ac-export function in Blender 2.41). A MUST for a Blender beginner!: http://marginal.org.uk/x-planescenery/ And some more general links: http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Help_Forums.192.0.html http://www.blender3d.org/_media/education/quickstart/Texturing_Castle.html http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D/Noob_to_Pro http://mediawiki.blender.org/index.php/Manual/Manual http://www.blender3d.org/Education/index_old.php?sub= http://jmsoler.free.fr/didacticiel/blender/tutor/eng_index.htm http://www.blender3d.org/cms/Documentation.628.0.html etc, etc, etc Hope this helps a little! Regards Georg BTW: Please share with us what you created, don't be shy if it is just very simple. I made a little EDDW/Bremen/Weser-scenery Online: http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/BremenWeserScenery/HBWSHTLM/BremenWeserScenery.html Download: http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/BremenWeserScenery/BremenWeserScenery.zip http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/BremenWeserScenery/ChangedEuropeanTextures.zip just for purpose to demonstrate to other new users how you can have nice visual effects with simple and partially unfinished models. Most of them are a combination of already existing ones, some are modified, some are from Stockill's database, some are from me. I started modifying already existing models, this was the easiest way for me to get familiar with Blender. But everyone has his own way to success! --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list
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Original-Nachricht Betreff:[Fwd: Re: [Flightgear-users] Modelling] Datum: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:02:25 +0200 Von:Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: FlightGear user list flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net Original-Nachricht Betreff:Re: [Flightgear-users] Modelling Datum: Sun, 28 May 2006 14:00:19 +0200 Von:Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net Referenzen: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeff Koppe schrieb: George, I've not been tinkering with FG for quite some time but about a year ago I was bitten with the FG modelling bug. I'm an experienced modellor so I decided to experiment making planes. What I found was that though FG uses PLIB and can in theory use any of the supported formats, the ony one I could successfully get into FG was *.ac (AC3D). While *.obj and *.3ds formats show up, their textures do not. Now, this is not to say that you have to use AC3D to make models (in fact there was--don't know if it is still the case--a few version differences in the AC3D format that AC3D creates and FG expects). I used Wings3d for modelling and used Blender to convert to the final *.ac format. In addition, I used Ultimate Unwrap for creating the UV maps (e.g., applying the textures to the model) and The Gimp for the graphics work. So you can use a medley of tools, if you wish. You'll also need a good text editor. Once you get the hang of editing the XML by hand there's nothing quicker. Also, since *.ac is an ascii based format you can correct a multitude of modelling sins by delving into the code. Takes some patience to learn but it is the most efficient. Though it's out of date, I was chronicling my FG adventure at my site: www.static-lift.net. --jeff Jeff, thank you, I will look at your site. AC3D is good, nothing against it. But no doubt, many aircraft for FlightGear have been designed with Blender the last time (output of course in *.ac). Looking forward for your first model! All the best Georg --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Modelling
JD Fenech schrieb: As for blender, I've run into one problem that I don't seem to be able to solve on my own. How do I add a *single* vertex to a mesh in edit mode? I've been lightly tinkering with blender for a few months, too, but have yet to figure this out. JD Ok, here is the answer from an absolute beginner (might be there are many better ways!): Blender 2.41 1. Edit Mode 2. Deselect all vertices (A) 3. Select the edge you want to add one vertex to (select both vertices with RMB click and SHIFT-RMB-click) The two vertices are yellow as well as the edge (default Blender colors) 4. W-key (or alternatively menu mesh - edges - subdive) select subdivide from the pop-up menu (for 1 new vertex) select subdivide and number (for several new vertices) 5. A-key 6. Select vertex with RMB 7. Grab vertex/vertices to wished position/s Hope this helps. If anyone has a better way, please let me know, I want to learn a lot about the basics of Blender! Regards Georg HeliFlyer EDDW --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dene maxwell schrieb: Georg.. hi mate I did acknowledge the very nice models... I was actually trying to fly Heathrow to Bremmen but FG crashed about the French/Belgium border This is a actual problem of FG - longer flights ( 1 h) result in a CTD. ...they say the nicest complement is copying .. when I get the new distro out I think if you look at the port closely you take it as a big compliment... I hope so THIS is the ADVANTAGE of Open Source - I did NOTHING than modifying and combining what OTHER already had created, if you reuse it - wonderful! And if someone in the future has use for the models I really constructed from scratch I will feel happy about it! Georg BTW: 1. can you mail the AI-scenerio to me? 2. why didn't you use the FGTools functions (AI page) for some of the work you obviously did by hand? See manual or ask me :-) :-D ene --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dene maxwell schrieb: Hi Georg ... I refer to http://www.interislander.blogspot.com/ Thanks! 2. why didn't you use the FGTools functions (AI page) for some of the work you obviously did by hand? See manual or ask me :-) I didn't think 098a would support the input files required...but I did use FGTools very extensively... Dene, I am writing this on the list as some other user (on Windows) might be interested. As 098a does not support creating *.csv logfiles (as you tell me), do it yourself with a simple texteditor! How this is done is explained in the last part of this message. --- BUT FIRST AN EXAMPLE HOW ALL WORKS with a normal *.csv logfile: This is a sample of a looong automatically created csv-file I used to make an AI file from, logging a C172 flightpattern around EDDW Time,Longitude,Latitude,Altitude,Roll,Pitch,Heading,Speed 51.1833,8.804636726,53.0472589,15.74750528,-0.2096236382,0.320089886,264.145706,0.05281214575 52.1833,8.804636339,53.04725886,15.7474581,-0.1977411975,0.3292465916,264.1879917,0.06696391264 53.1833,8.804634928,53.04725895,15.74742986,-0.2264046498,0.3565201565,264.1958376,0.3866295215 You see, it was logged every second to have a quite smooth behaviour of the AI aircraft. This is the AICessPlatz.xml in the data\AI folder, FGTools created: ?xml version=1.0? PropertyList scenario entry callsignAIVehicle/callsign typeaircraft/type classjet/class modelModels/Aircraft/c172-dpm.ac/model flightplanCessPlatz.xml/flightplan repeat1/repeat /entry /scenario /PropertyList This is the beginning of the AI-Flightplan CessPlatz.xml in the AIFlighPlans folder, FGTools created: ?xml version=1.0? PropertyList flightplan wpt name51.1833/name lat53.0472589/lat lon8.804636726/lon alt15.74750528/alt ktas0.05281214575/ktas on-groundfalse/on-ground /wpt wpt name52.1833/name lat53.04725886/lat lon8.804636339/lon alt15.7474581/alt ktas0.06696391264/ktas on-groundfalse/on-ground /wpt wpt name53.1833/name lat53.04725895/lat lon8.804634928/lon alt15.74742986/alt ktas0.3866295215/ktas on-groundfalse/on-ground /wpt And FGTools installs your AI-scenario in preferences.xml and activates AI-scenerios. -- SO, HOW CAN YOU USE these functionallity from FG 0.9.8? CREATE YOUR *.csv file yourself! Take any simple texteditor and create a normal textfile like MyFerry.csv OK, you won't have to fill in all data but replace unused with a placeholder 0. So for your ferry you would write Time,Longitude,Latitude,Altitude,Roll,Pitch,Heading,Speed 1,[Longitude],[Latitude],[Altitude],0,0,0,1 2,[Longitude],[Latitude],[Altitude],0,0,0,10 3,[Longitude],[Latitude],[Altitude],0,0,0,15 4,... There must be no specific time intervalls, just fill in all the points of the route you have got one after another and call the time 1,2,.. Save your file, fire FGTools, go to the AIpage and start with Load *.csv logfile(1). For the rest look into the *.pdf manual! Ask me, if you have any further problems. This will save you *a lot* of time!!! as you only have to write the first file with your data (time-counter,lat,lon,alt). Might be a help for your next AI-scenerio! Regards Georg --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Arnt Karlsen schrieb: On Thu, 25 May 2006 15:21:47 +0200, Georg wrote in message [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Might be a help for your next AI-scenerio! Regards Georg ..thanks, this is useful for AirVenture too, is there a way to specify turn waypoints with say, 2 minute turn rates, like CAD sw can be used to model a piping bend with wall thickness and bend radius? Hi Arnt, to be honest, these AI functions of FGTools are pretty simple and are only able to convert data from *.csv files or UFO.xml files into FlightGear *.xml files. No intelligence, just helper tools to reduce the time one needs to type all that by hand - and further, help user without knowledge about the structures of these files and where to put them. I am a very lazy guy and created it (as many other FGTools functions) to have more comfort! So you have to fly the patterns yourself and make some nice logfiles OR fly the pattern with the UFO to get the lat/lon and change the other data (altitude, speed) by hand before using FGTools to make the XML files. If there are any questions regarding FGTools, please contact me off list. Regards Georg Heliflyer EDDW --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Fwd: Re: [Flightgear-users] dene_maxwell....]
Original-Nachricht Betreff:Re: [Flightgear-users] dene_maxwell Datum: Thu, 25 May 2006 16:32:02 +0200 Von:Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net Referenzen: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Curtis L. Olson schrieb: Could you guys kindly take Dene's email address out of the subject line on your replies. It's probably too late to help, but these messages Thanks! Curt. Curtis, admonishment accepted, just pushed the reply button without thinking :-( You are absolutely right, sorry about that! Georg --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=107521bid=248729dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Airports disappearing?
Zoltán Nagy schrieb: Hi, I've only been using FlightGear for about a month so this might be an already solved issue, but i'd like to ask for your help anyway. So, there's this handy little utility called Atlas. I always use it to plan my flights. As i live in Hungary (and yes i'm Hungarian... so sorry for my English :-) ), i thought i'd fly around my hometown, see how it looks like from above. Now, to get to the point: i use terrasync to get the scenery as i fly. In Atlas i see, that the airport i want to start at is LHTA, Taszar, and it IS in the database - at least according to Atlas. The problem: when I fly there, there's absolutely no airport there. The scenery around the airport is downloaded, Map succesfully made the images for use with Atlas so there should be no problem with that. I tried to delete the scenery files and then re-download them, but that didn't help. I'd really appreciate any help. Yours, Abesto Hi, ATLAS does find it because the regarding files are in the FlightGear TERRAIN folder ...\data\Scenery\Terrain\e010n40\e017n46 BUT!!! Robin Peels database 810 Version - DAFIF data cycle 200513, build 1990, metadata AptXP810, Copyright © 2005, Robin A. Peel \data\Airports\apt.dat(gz) does not know it :-/ You might give Robin Peel the data but don't be too hopefull as I mailed several times to him and never got a reaction, good or bad! Regards Georg Heliflyer EDDW --- All the advantages of Linux Managed Hosting--Without the Cost and Risk! Fully trained technicians. The highest number of Red Hat certifications in the hosting industry. Fanatical Support. Click to learn more http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid7521bid$8729dat1642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Configuring Joystick with FG 0.9.10-0.FC on SuSE and other questions
Thorolf Godawa schrieb: At the top of the stick there is a 4-way-switch that could be used very good for the view-change or one of the firekeys for toggeling the HUD f.ex. If I anderstood correctly these changes can be made in the xml for the joystick, are there further informations how to do it? Or does anybody already has a xml for this joystick that does the wanted things? Hi Thorolf, if you still have the problem with your joystick you may contact me via private eMail, may be I can help you. Regards Georg EDDW --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Fwd: Re: [Flightgear-users] Getting an OpenAL where when ending in Cygwin Compiled version]
Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: [Flightgear-users] Getting an OpenAL where when ending in Cygwin Compiled version Datum: Tue, 09 May 2006 07:11:05 +0200 Von:Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net Referenzen: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Keener schrieb: Georg Vollnhals wrote: I am compiling FlightGear CVS under Cygwin/Windows XP since more than half a year and never compiled OpenAL, just followed the precise instructions our FG friend KEVIN gave us and downloaded and installed the cyg_openAL.tgz without any problem. Here some lines from Kevins wonderful tutorial: Concise instructions to build CVS versions of SimGear and FlightGear on Win32 systems using cygwin. Thank you Georg for you response. This looks a lot like the tutorial I have been using but you could send it to me just in case. The win32 part about copying to Windows\system32 throws me although I think that is a VC++ thing but Thanks for your assistance - when you terminate fgfs - do you see the OpenAL error I see??? Hi Brian, normally I am running FG/Cygwin directly from Windows XP, therefore the DOS windows is immediatly closed and I cannot see it. I just did a start out of Cygwin and then I have this errors when closing: OpenAL error (AL_ILLEGAL_COMMAND): stop (alDeleteSources) I do not have the time now to verify if I have sound when starting directly under Cygwin, I'll do that this evening. But when starting from Windows there is no sound problem! Georg Heliflyer EDDW Thanks again bk Remark: This is the tutorial which Kevin sent to me before finishing his published one which I don't have now. There might be some differences, but I use this one. He made a typo, so you should read /autogen.sh and /configure as ./autogen.sh and ./configure. Concise instructions to build CVS versions of SimGear and FlightGear on Win32 systems using cygwin. -- cygwin -- install cygwin from scratch automake autoconf cvs make gcc gcc++ OpenGL -- downloads -- cd ~ mkdir tar download cyg_openAL.tgz from http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv to ~/tar download plib-1.8.4.tar.gz from http://plib.sourceforge.net cd / tar -xzf ~/tar/cyg_openAL.tgz -- Win32 openal32.dll -- must copy /usr/local/bin/openal32.dll to Win32 system directory Win32 world copy c:\cygwin\usr\local\bin\openal32.dll to c:\windows\system32\openal32.dll (change path names as appropriate) -- plib -- cd ~ tar -xzf ~/tar/plib-1.8.4.tar.gz cd plib-1.8.4 /configure --prefix=/fg-cvs make make install -- SimGear -- cd ~ mkdir SimGear-0.3-cvs cd SimGear-0.3-cvs cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/SimGear-0.3 login password is guest cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/SimGear-0.3 co source cd source /autogen.sh /configure --prefix=/fg-cvs make make install -- FlightGear -- cd ~ mkdir FlightGear-0.9-cvs cd FlightGear-0.9-cvs cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 login password is guest cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co source cd source /autogen.sh /configure --prefix=/fg-cvs make make install -- FlightGear Base -- cd /fg-cvs cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 login password is guest cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/var/cvs/FlightGear-0.9 co data -- Execute -- cd ~ /fg-cvs/bin/fgfs.exe --fg-root=/fg-cvs/data -- Update SimGear -- cd ~/SimGear-0.3-cvs/source cvs update -d -P make make install -- Update FlightGear -- cd ~/FlightGear-0.9-cvs/source cvs update -d -P make make install -- Update FlightGear Base -- cd /fg-cvs/data cvs update -d -P -- Execute -- cd ~ /fg-cvs/bin/fgfs.exe --fg-root=/fg-cvs/data --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Fwd: [Flightgear-users] Getting an OpenAL where when ending in Cygwin Compiled version]
Brian Keener schrieb: Georg Vollnhals wrote: I just did a start out of Cygwin and then I have this errors when closing: OpenAL error (AL_ILLEGAL_COMMAND): stop (alDeleteSources) I do not have the time now to verify if I have sound when starting directly under Cygwin, I'll do that this evening. But when starting from Windows there is no sound problem! Ok that is the same error I am seeing then. I have downloaded the OpenAL stuff via svn to see if I can compile it in cygwin - but the svn forma is so different from plain old cvs I am going to have to get on the openal list to figure what to autogen, configure and compile. Remark: This is the tutorial which Kevin sent to me before finishing his published one which I don't have now. Okay that looks a lot like the last page of what I was using - I think I see what he was doing now - he was giving directions for Cygwin and then also for Win32 at the same time. Those are not necessarily all instructions for one system. Brian, just a last one - I think you are misunderstanding something! I presume that you are using CYGWIN under Windows XP - right? THEN you MUST have the OpenAL.dll in your Windows XP system folder - at least for me here it does not work without it! (must copy /usr/local/bin/openal32.dll to Win32 system directory) Believe me, I NEVER did anything else with the OpenAL system than extracting (under CYGWIN!!!) this special cyg_openAL.tgz (which puts all these OpenAL stuff into CYGWIN usr\local\include\AL\, ie. al.h, alc.h,etc and to CYGWIN usr\local\lib}\, ie libopenal32.a, etc) and copying the Windows32 OpenAL RUNTIME stuff (openal32.dll) as described. I am using FlightGear CVS under CYGWIN since a long time and never had any problems with the sound system, I only recognized this error-message because you asked me :-) AND .. you don't even need to fire CYGWIN to run the compiled FlightGear program. I start it from the Windows XP GUI with my FGTools program (which I coded for this use) BUT you can also use at *.bat file or the Windows XP commandline to start Cygwin-FlightGear :-) - it even works without a full Cygwin install, you only must have some *.dlls and the pathes set right (but this is another theme, just mentioned it to make clear that you only need the full Cygwin system to COMPILE the stuff and hold your CVS system updated). So it is a MIX of two systems if you use FlightGear compiled under Cygwin running under Windows. There might be other possibilities how to handle all this CYGWIN stuff - at last, to finish the discussion, I can only tell you THAT IT REALLY WORKS if you follow the tutorial step for step! All the best to you Georg Heliflyer EDDW Thanks again Georg bk --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Fwd: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Flightgear-users] Getting an OpenAL where when ending in Cygwin Compiled version]]]
Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: [Fwd: [Fwd: [Flightgear-users] Getting an OpenAL where when ending in Cygwin Compiled version]] Datum: Wed, 10 May 2006 02:31:14 +0200 Von:Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net Referenzen: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oh I know - it is working for me as well - I was just trying to eliminate the little trashy errors like the one we are seeing. Thanks again Georg Brian, I am very sorry but I misunderstood all :-/ Just read your FIRST message - I SHOULD have done this FIRST - and noticed that I was fully wrong because I thought you could not get that stuff running. So hopefully our discussion made some sense for other people having difficulties with Cygwin! Thank you for the patience you had with me and my bad understanding of your problem! Regards Georg --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Getting an OpenAL where when ending in Cygwin Compiled version
Brian Keener schrieb: Hi Brian, I am just working through a lot of old eMails due to a PC crash I had, therefore the delay! I am compiling FlightGear CVS under Cygwin/Windows XP since more than half a year and never compiled OpenAL, just followed the precise instructions our FG friend KEVIN gave us and downloaded and installed the cyg_openAL.tgz without any problem. Here some lines from Kevins wonderful tutorial: Concise instructions to build CVS versions of SimGear and FlightGear on Win32 systems using cygwin. -- cygwin -- install cygwin from scratch automake autoconf cvs make gcc gcc++ OpenGL -- downloads -- cd ~ mkdir tar download cyg_openAL.tgz from http://www.vso.cape.com/~nhv to ~/tar download plib-1.8.4.tar.gz from http://plib.sourceforge.net cd / tar -xzf ~/tar/cyg_openAL.tgz -- Win32 openal32.dll -- must copy /usr/local/bin/openal32.dll to Win32 system directory Win32 world copy c:\cygwin\usr\local\bin\openal32.dll to c:\windows\system32\openal32.dll (change path names as appropriate) -- plib -- . Please tell me if you want to have the rest of the tutorial (if you have not found it yet), I'll email it directly to you. Hope this may help although you did really a lot of work until now - but as I already explained, I just found your mails and problem. Regards Georg Heliflyer EDDW --- Using Tomcat but need to do more? Need to support web services, security? Get stuff done quickly with pre-integrated technology to make your job easier Download IBM WebSphere Application Server v.1.0.1 based on Apache Geronimo http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=120709bid=263057dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Flightgear-users] Bremen-Weser VFR demo scenery now available for download
Hi all, as many of us will have some time for FlightGear next weekend I decided to upload my Bremen-Weser demo-scenery so that you might have a nice flight over my homeland. Before uploading you my have a preview of the enclosed *.pdf manual here in *.html format: http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/BremenWeserScenery/HBWSHTLM/BremenWeserScenery.html This is the link to the package (ReadMe.txt and *.pdf manual enclosed with instructions): http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/BremenWeserScenery/BremenWeserScenery.zip This is a work which has just started (see history in manual) and will be refined in many aspects within the next year - better models (real life copies), textures, AI traffic and flight-instructions not only for Bremen but for the Northern area. I upload this very simple work though due to 3 reasons a) to show other FlightGear users what can be done with generic models to improve the FlightGear world and motivate them to do some work for their local area. b) to demonstrate that it is easy without big knowledge if one uses the new FGTools version (uploaded within the next 2 weeks) and the outstanding new UFO functions for model placement we have now. c) just for fun for those FG friends who like flying over a more complete scenery (see flight instruction) Have fun, give feedback if you like (the best would be if you do some work yourself and share with us :-) ) Regards Georg EDDW (Heliflyer) --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] 3d model development in Germany
Robicd schrieb: Georg Vollnhals wrote: ... Sebastinan's (Seb's) Frankfurt/Main and Rhine scenery: http://www.flight-gear.de/index.php?option=com_smfItemid=15topic=47.0 ... Don't forget to mention you have to be logged in with a valid username to flight-gear.de in order to see attached screenshots and download files, otherwise you will only see the plain text threads and mostly have no idea what people are talking about, since many attached pictures show what's going on. Roberto Sorry people, I did not know that you won't see the pictures if you are only a guest - and the pictures are the most interesting parts of the posts. So please forget my mail and hint, it might be too complicated for you to get a member of this special forum just to see one or two posts. Sorry about the inconvenience I have caused! Regards Georg EDDW --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: Anybody know what this is?
polly schrieb: Found a nice ops manual too: http://www.dtic.mil/doctrine/jel/new_pubs/jp3_04_1.pdf p --= Thank you for the link, very, very interesting stuff! Nice we don't have any Landing Signal Officer in FG - obviously I am too old to learn all these aircraft handling signals - did you count how many? Regards Georg EDDW --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Questions on using Objects Database
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: 4. Finally, I am planning to improve the scenery of a few places I love to fly around by adding some objects. I surely will build a few myself. However to help expedite this effort, I can see another way too: I saw a number of STATIC objects in FGFSDB, that can be modified in minor ways, or reused elsewhere by some re-scaling/coloring etc only. Hi Yavuz, this is just the way I started my Bremen-Weser scenery some short time ago. I was afraid of Blender and therefore I first took some objects I found in the FG library, changed the colors, hardened the surface, eliminated parts of the object (could do this with a simple text-editor), then I started learning Blender with changing existing objects in Blender, combining objects in Blender, etc .. and at last, after getting really hot on the stuff and reading through some manuals I created my first in real life existing power station with textures from own photographs. This is what I recommended in the German FlightGear Forum for other user: Create a (textured) hangar for X-Plane in Blender, is identical for FlightGear until the export into another format (very nice!): http://marginal.org.uk/x-planescenery/ Common links http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Blender_3D/Noob_to_Pro http://www.blender3d.org/_media/education/quickstart/Texturing_Castle.html http://www.blender3d.org/Education/index_old.php?sub= Is this allowed? Do I need to get permissions from the authors? If so, is posting here a request the best way? This is how I understand the license a) If you take an existing model and modify it so that the product is another model (you don't change the original model! but create an additional new one), just do it without asking. This is the spirit we all can learn and profit from each other and my upcoming Bremen-Weser scenery is what I want to call a demo how you can use existing models, change them and use them to populate another part of the FlightGear world - at least until you have the time and energy to create more realistic ones later. b) If you take an existing model and want to improve, refine it or make it better looking or more realistic (changes on an existing one without creating real other version of it) - it is very good style to ask the author (if he is still active for FG)! This is what everyone can await who spend his time and energy for our common FlightGear project :-) Thanks for listening. Yavuz Onder c) If you made some models for the part of the world you are living in, don't mind to share them with us even when you have the opinon the are not worth doing so. Some simple objects made by a beginner and placed into the FlightGear world are better then odd terrain! - at least for me. At a later phase you always can change them with improved ones. Regards Georg EDDW --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Questions on using Objects Database
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: [...] It is my worry that my CVS updates may erase the FGFSDB files. I guess I will check to find out. If it is removing them, I can re-download/re-unpack as needed. Yavuz Your scenery files - except the default KSFO scenery - stay untouched with the -P command. I always update with -d -P REgards Georg EDDW --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Questions on using Objects Database
Georg, (I am curious about EDDW, which is Vollnhals that appear in the From) Thanks for the links. I have already started with Blender. But was unable to locate some of those tutorials. Reuse rules/implied-licenses as you stated are as reasonable as one would expect. I will follow them. I will put up any object, I consider an improvement. And first of them may come soon. If I can stop myself trying to tweak it here and there. I will submit it to Jon's database and let people in this list know. Later... Yavuz Onder Hi Yavuz, I just add EDDW to my name as I am used from another Sim I was working for before I got to FG. In my opinion this is a nice feature as you can see from which part of the world another user is (EDDW = ICAO code Bremen/Germany). Are you on Win32 or Linux? If on Win32 I could offer you to try the latest version of FGTools which has nice features for model placement including the use of the UFO cursor files you can create now since Melchior made this nice UFO update (= makes exact placement of models much more easier!). The reason I have not uploaded it until now is that I am completing the manual which is until now more than 25 pages and that I am just implementing a new feature which is very important for me and might be for other. But the actual version is stable and documented especially for the models page. Let me know if you are interested, also via private mail. Anyway, looking forward to your first models, thank you! Regards Georg EDDW PS: did I understand it right that you did not find these Blender manuals before you got my links or did you want to tell me that the links don't work anymore? --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Questions on using Objects Database
[EMAIL PROTECTED] schrieb: Yavuz CYOW :-) (but would like to be LTBA,particularly at this season) Had seen better weather in this area before! Georg EDDW Istanbul / Ataturk, TURKEY Weather :: 8C Fair http://www.rssweather.com/icao/LTBA/wx.php 8C Fair Tue, 21 Mar 2006 21:20:00 +0200 Forecast for Overnight http://www.rssweather.com/icao/LTBA/wx.php Beginning to mist. Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:40:00 +0200 Forecast for Morning http://www.rssweather.com/icao/LTBA/wx.php Mist. Becoming fair. Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:40:00 +0200 Forecast for Afternoon http://www.rssweather.com/icao/LTBA/wx.php Fair. Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:40:00 +0200 Forecast for Evening http://www.rssweather.com/icao/LTBA/wx.php Fair. Tue, 21 Mar 2006 17:40:00 +0200 --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: [Fwd: Re: Questions on using Objects Database]
Melchior FRANZ schrieb: * Georg Vollnhals -- Tuesday 21 March 2006 23:26: many models, same lat-lon-coordinates? If they are on the same longitude, sure. Hey, I invested a lot of time to make up one longitude, you can't expect that I do this twice. ;-) Of course each model will have its own coordinates, and they'll very likely differ from each other. m. Ok, now I understand :-) Georg --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: Help! Cannot see my OBJECT_STATIC
Yavuz Onder schrieb: Hi Melchior (and other intrested parties), Unfortunately my problem seems to defeat all the reasonable possibilities. .. In all these trials I have never seen my object at all. I surely am at the end of my wits here. May be I should give up on the idea of adding to or correcting (in minor ways) the kinks in scenery in areas I fly to, and instead work on improving my badly lacking virtual-flying skills :-) Thanks for listening... Yavuz Onder No Yavuz, don't give up so soon! I know what you are speaking about, I started placing models and modifying STG files some weeks ago and had a lot to learn. As I am not very talented I am working after the KISS principle (keep it simple, stupid). If there is no other hint from the professionals I would ask you to try at least one last thing before throwing Blender away: 1. Put your model into the basic scenery path - if you have several of them? For me that would be (under Windows = backslash!) MyFlightGear/data/scenery/objects/ 2. Put your model a lot over the surface so you can see it easily when searching - this helped me a lot in the first time! I assume you have a ground elevation of about 114 m at your airport, so give your model an altitude of 200 for your test. Use something you are sure of it will work, ie Models/fgfsdb/generic_monument_01.ac I will download the terrain and test whether it works here for me. All the best, don't stop before you even have started! Regards Georg EDDW Germany --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] Re: Help! Cannot see my OBJECT_STATIC
Hi Yavuz, downloaded 0.9.10 scenery of Canada, placed generic-monument object on your coordinates, altitude 200 m. Workes fine in FG 0.9.9 as well as in actual FG CVS. I have only *one* scenery path in my config! Here is the STG file (default objects and model at the end added) (objects folder) and a screenshot to demonstrate you the efford: http://home.arcor.de/vollnhals-bremen/Yavuz/CYOW.jpg data/Scenery/Objects/w080n40/w076n45/1712593.stg OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/radio-medium.xml -75.700 45.370 36.22 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/radio-medium.xml -75.7441670 45.365 -28.4 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/radio-medium.xml -75.5241670 45.3619440 -45.16 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/radio-medium.xml -75.510 45.3616670 -28.7 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/radio-medium.xml -75.7330560 45.3583330 -67.72 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/radio-medium.xml -75.7275000 45.3561110 -23.83 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/fgfsdb/generic_skyscraper_02.ac -75.6752780 45.350 -336.02 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/radio-medium.xml -75.5702780 45.2916670 -35.41 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/radio-medium.xml -75.7461110 45.280 -46.08 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/radio-medium.xml -75.7419440 45.2830560 -39.98 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/radio-medium.xml -75.6772220 45.2705560 -47.6 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/radio-medium.xml -75.6602780 45.2563890 -39.37 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/ils.xml -075.6445470 45.3255120 106.59 303.21 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/ils.xml -075.6862030 45.3268390 105.74 54.31 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Structures/vordme.xml -075.6668140 45.3138360 113.33 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/ils.xml -075.6696320 45.3131410 111.89 303 OBJECT_SHARED Models/Airport/ils.xml -075.6570430 45.3109510 111.98 54.1 OBJECT_SHARED Models/fgfsdb/ndb.xml -075.5736110 45.2683330 104.85 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/fgfsdb/ndb.xml -075.7499580 45.2778170 95.66 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/fgfsdb/ndb.xml -075.5610640 45.3600420 81.54 180 OBJECT_SHARED Models/fgfsdb/generic_monument_01.ac -075.67018 45.318967 200 0 All the best! Georg EDDW --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
[Fwd: Re: [Flightgear-users] Object sizes, controls for UFO]
Original-Nachricht Betreff: Re: [Flightgear-users] Object sizes, controls for UFO Datum: Wed, 15 Mar 2006 02:00:17 +0100 Von: Georg Vollnhals [EMAIL PROTECTED] An: flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net Referenzen: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yavuz Onder schrieb: Hi, I am working on some static objects. I don't know how the dimensions in blender (and in the exported .ac file) relates to Flightgear units. I don't even know if the Flightgear works metric or not. To be able to verify that my objects' dimensions are close to real life, I thought I would place myself in UFO, first at the base of the object, and then at the top of the object, and read the altitudes from the property tree. My problems with this idea are: I know ctrl-u takes you up vertically, but it seems to take you up 1000 ft at a time. I could not find (by trial) any way to go down. Neither to go up in smaller steps. Is there finer controls for UFO? Is there another way to achieve what I want (measuring the objects in Fligtgear scene)? Thanks in advance. Yavuz Hi Yavuz, nice to hear from another beginner with Blender :-) and I hope you'll share your models with us (- Jon Stockills models and objects database). The UFO has got an improvement by M.Franz to also have low speed for scenery design purposes. But this does not help you if you are not compiling FG yourself (as I suppose). If you are *very* sensible with the controls you might navigate the UFO to the position where you want to have it - going forw. and backw. You do know all the controls? Throttlespeed forward Throttle + Brake (b or Joystick Trigger) speed backward Joystick forwardUFO down if speed 0 backward UFO up Joystick left UFO rolls left Joystick right UFO rolls right Pedals (or O, key on the numeric keyboard) rotate left, right An alternative is the magic carpet FDM You can use it with the commandline parameter --fdm=magic I tried it once with the BO105 It has some advantages, you must decide whether it is better for you than the UFO Magic carpet: Joystick forwardgo down Joystick backward go up Joystick left rotate left Joystick right rotoate right Throttleforward speed Throttle + brakebackward speed If you use the BO105 (I did not try another aircraft with the magic carpet FDM), go to outside view with v and have the HUD switched on h then you can quite easily go up and down a building once you are there and look at the two altitude scales at the right - a normal one and a spread one (better for you). OK, have fun Regards Georg EDDW --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
Re: [Flightgear-users] FGTools 1.3.18 f/b ...was New York Scenery not quite righ
dene maxwell schrieb: Georg...there was one other thing I notice the FGTools window height is greater than 600, I assume this is because you run your desktop at greater than 800x600 res. Would it be possible to add a test that IF window.heightscreen.height THEN Window.VerticalScrollBars.enabled=true ? cheers :=D ene Hi Dene, 1.what I put on my homepage was just the *pure* *.exe file, no external helpfiles, no manual. It was just for the purpose that you could check your code :-) 2. If you are interested in Beta-Testing then I'll put another version on my homepage with some stuff added which is necessary to understand some functions. I am just writing on a short manual, this is a real time-consuming procedure. I could add what I have produced until now, so you may understand some simple things like selecting and placing models into the scenery. 3. The GUI is very bad and not the normal style I am creating programs for other people. But this project started as a personal help for my own use and then I decided to share and contribute to the FG project, even if it is only for a small group of Win32 user. But now I am not sure whether I make further versions public because writing some doc is really a plague for me AND there has been a feedback -quote far under 1% of the downloads. No critics, no positive fb. And - on the other hand - with FGRun and the upcoming FGSD we'll have some tools which cover all the needed functions. So I won't improve the GUI anyway - although it looks very bad and is not very comfortable. 4. 600x800 pix - your are right, I did not think that anybody uses this screen-res anymore. For you, my fried, I'll put your proposal into the code, of course. Might be not this evening, as my todo list is big, but within the next days! My local time is now 21:26, I'll be back online around 00:00. Please tell me whether you want to have *all* the newest stuff (might be around 1.5 MB to 2MB ??? download). Send me a private mail. I'll answer when I have uploaded, if so. Thank you for your feedback Regards Georg --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by xPML, a groundbreaking scripting language that extends applications into web and mobile media. Attend the live webcast and join the prime developer group breaking into this new coding territory! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=110944bid=241720dat=121642 ___ Flightgear-users mailing list Flightgear-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/flightgear-users
