History's Forced-Perspective (was Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration)

2011-06-17 Thread Casey Ransberger
On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Ian Piumarta piuma...@speakeasy.net wrote:

 Invention receives no attention, and innovation (even when incorrectly 
 understood) receives lip service in the press, but no current-day vehicle 
 exists to to nurture it.
 
 +360

+360! I love this expression, it doesn't just say I agree, it also says 
let's think our way back around to where we are now and see what we can learn.

In this case, I'll offer a smaller variation made out of exactly half as much 
stuff:

+180

As in, let's turn this situation around. We'll end up at a different vantage 
point, where history's forced-perspective might appear more obvious.
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Re: History's Forced-Perspective (was Re: [fonc] Consolidation and collaboration)

2011-06-17 Thread BGB

On 6/17/2011 11:37 AM, Casey Ransberger wrote:

On Jun 15, 2011, at 8:55 AM, Ian Piumartapiuma...@speakeasy.net  wrote:


Invention receives no attention, and innovation (even when incorrectly 
understood) receives lip service in the press, but no current-day vehicle 
exists to to nurture it.

+360

+360! I love this expression, it doesn't just say I agree, it also says let's 
think our way back around to where we are now and see what we can learn.



interesting...

I had just interpreted it mostly like +1, but much more so.



In this case, I'll offer a smaller variation made out of exactly half as much 
stuff:

+180

As in, let's turn this situation around. We'll end up at a different vantage 
point, where history's forced-perspective might appear more obvious.


maybe it is because maybe 95% of innovation and invention does not 
succeed in the market, and so investors would be hard-pressed to invest 
in anything inventive/innovative, on the basis that it would likely go 
nowhere and turn into lost profits?...


in this case, to really have much assurance that it is something which 
may turn a profit, basically the creator has to already have it made and 
in a roughly ready for market form, which naturally limits innovation 
some, since going too far outside the tried and true will often 
severely limit ones' ability to get a potential product developed to 
this stage.


the ultimate result is that most technologies which have a snowmans' 
chance will be necessarily uncreative.


another factor is that of potential market perception:
an original technology may strike possible customers as now, just 
what the hell is this thing? and what would I use it for?... meaning 
that one has to have some assurance that there will be a market for it.


hence, it is generally a safer bet to go head-first into already 
established markets, with a relatively generic product, and use 
innovative as a marketing term.


behold this innovative new product which does things you have so 
totally not been seeing other people doing already that, or just 
make some easy-to-use widget which does ordinary tasks slightly faster...



Tired of having to individually cut bologna into squares? enter the 
revolutionary new 'Bologna Trimmer', which removes these unwanted edges 
from your bologna, making it fit nicely onto the bread and mesh 
wonderfully with this pre-sliced cheese...
Watch as it can also can remove that nasty crust from this bread, so 
that you can have your sandwich perfect every time.

.
meanwhile, as one cuts to recordings of smiling kids eating sandwiches, 
... in addition to them showing some blonde housewife-type character 
daintily pressing a button to invoke its cutting action, and totally 
leave out shots of other requisite tasks (positioning the bread and 
bologna, or cleaning the thing) which IRL could likely add more to the 
cost of using the thing than would be the gain of not using a knife to 
cut the bread or bologna.



but, it is the natural problem, that most true innovation would not have 
an immediate market, and by the time it has become valuable, it can no 
longer be mass marketed.

enter the patent portfolio, ...

thus, it all becomes lip service.


meanwhile, I might consider writing an article where I compare/contrast 
my BGBScript language against the languages it is most closely related 
to, namely JavaScript and ActionScript...


meanwhile, ignoring the few places where it falls into a few 
standards-conformance holes (WRT ECMA-262 5th Ed), mostly relating to 
default floating-point accuracy and a few other things. well, and also 
the implementation is far less mature. granted, it is technically a 
different language than ECMAScript (and not intended to be run in a 
browser).


granted, yes, not a whole lot of innovation here...


meanwhile, a person on usenet continues to call my stuff a joke 
because of my practice of mostly building most basic functionality into 
the compiler/VM, rather than building it as part of the in-language 
libraries, and because of my use of C-based plug-ins for any extensions 
to the core language.


but, really, I don't personally see what if any real value-added there 
is of doing a minimalist script language and building nearly everything 
via macros. minimalism just doesn't really seem like a terribly useful 
goal...



granted, I will admit that, yes, probably no one has any reason to care 
about or ever considering using my stuff, and I probably spam it far too 
much as it is...


oh well...


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