Re: [fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
Thus said Jungle Boogie on Thu, 12 Jul 2018 13:54:04 -0700: > > http://fossil.bradfords.org/fossilthings.gif > > > > Does this look more enticing? > > That doesn't appear to establish a connection. Is your server down? The server was up, so is the firewall. :-) Try this instead: http://fossil.bradfords.org:81/fossilthings.gif Thanks for the note. Andy -- TAI64 timestamp: 40005b4a4eec ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
On Thu 12 Jul 2018 1:40 PM, Andy Bradford wrote: > Thus said mario on Mon, 09 Jul 2018 18:06:52 +0200: > > > Our current homepage is a bit wall of textish / too bland I'd think. > > While it already gets all interesting features across, it's not likely > > enticing to new users. > > Here's a GIF animation of what it looks like in my browser: > > http://fossil.bradfords.org/fossilthings.gif > > Does this look more enticing? > That doesn't appear to establish a connection. Is your server down? > Thanks, > > Andy > -- > TAI64 timestamp: 40005b47aeee ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
Thus said mario on Mon, 09 Jul 2018 18:06:52 +0200: > Our current homepage is a bit wall of textish / too bland I'd think. > While it already gets all interesting features across, it's not likely > enticing to new users. Here's a GIF animation of what it looks like in my browser: http://fossil.bradfords.org/fossilthings.gif Does this look more enticing? Thanks, Andy -- TAI64 timestamp: 40005b47aeee ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
Mon, 9 Jul 2018 15:54:50 -0700 jungle Boogie : > > I think it's a good first step. Thanks for your efforts! > > The carousal might be a little too cookie cutter/modern for > programmers/developers, but might appeal to managers of those people. > > What if the current 'What is Fossil' section had small graphical > bullet points, kind of like with git-scm.org's various sections: > https://git-scm.com Hey JB! That would have been my second choice. A slideshow is partly tiresome to wait through, and might require overshortened excerpts. A few smaller pictograms in place of the numbering might look less out of place. Still could highlight the major featureset for Fossil newcomers. > I agree that there is a large wall of text - but all very informative > - which would require the visitor to read for an understanding of > Fossil, kind of a large commitment in today's minds IMO. Of course. From our programmers point of view, the no-frills link list is what you're looking for really. (I mostly find what I need right on the homepage.) Which is why I made this a cautious proposal:) G! ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
Mon, 9 Jul 2018 18:57:41 -0400 Richard Hipp : > On 7/9/18, mario wrote: > > Our current homepage is a bit wall of textish / too bland > > "Bland" is a feature, not a bug. :-) > > Nevertheless, it would be cool if you could come up with a skin or > demonstration project that showed people how to do the slide-show in > case they wanted to do something like that on their own projects. > Let's just not make that slide-show part of the default Fossil > website. > It was sort of an experiment for one of my projects - where it could fit slightly better (end-user audience et al.) Gonna make it a general skin extension if it can be kept simple. Also, no worries. It was mostly a flip idea for the official homepage ;} What about some mini pictograms for the list though? (Less distraction, no needless text cuts, but lightens up the feature list.) ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
Mon, 9 Jul 2018 17:31:52 -0400 Will Parsons : > On Monday, 9 Jul 2018 12:06 PM -0400, mario wrote: > > As followup to last month` Show time.. discussion: > > → http://fossilslideshow.tmp.include-once.org/ > > Is this something the Fossil homepage should have? > > > > Any strong opinions or thoughts on image bloat? > > I *hate* this! I find this sort of thing incredibly annoying on every > webpage that I've ever seen that contains it! Please > don't! > I sort of expected mixed feelings about this. And I agree it can look a bit obnoxious and gimmicky. For the Fossil homepage it's likely too distractive in either variant. Which is why not much time had been spent on the example images ;) G! ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
On 7/9/18, mario wrote: > Our current homepage is a bit wall of textish / too bland "Bland" is a feature, not a bug. :-) Nevertheless, it would be cool if you could come up with a skin or demonstration project that showed people how to do the slide-show in case they wanted to do something like that on their own projects. Let's just not make that slide-show part of the default Fossil website. -- D. Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
HI Mario, On 9 July 2018 at 09:06, mario wrote: > As followup to last month` Show time.. discussion: > > → http://fossilslideshow.tmp.include-once.org/ > > (Take in mind this ain't a mockup yet; just as example.) > I think it's a good first step. Thanks for your efforts! The carousal might be a little too cookie cutter/modern for programmers/developers, but might appeal to managers of those people. What if the current 'What is Fossil' section had small graphical bullet points, kind of like with git-scm.org's various sections: https://git-scm.com I agree that there is a large wall of text - but all very informative - which would require the visitor to read for an understanding of Fossil, kind of a large commitment in today's minds IMO. ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
On 09/07/18 16:31, Will Parsons wrote: > On Monday, 9 Jul 2018 12:06 PM -0400, mario wrote: >> As followup to last month` Show time.. discussion: >> >> → http://fossilslideshow.tmp.include-once.org/ >> >> (Take in mind this ain't a mockup yet; just as example.) > > >> Discussion >> == >> >> Is this something the Fossil homepage should have? >> >> Any strong opinions or thoughts on image bloat? > I *hate* this! I find this sort of thing incredibly annoying on every > webpage that I've ever seen that contains it! Please > don't! > I don't like it. A more lighter and visual explanation could be done with a bootstrap or Material Design Lite theme included in the Fossil site if the current front page seems to textish, without going into the slideshow explanation, which I find distracting and not responsible in variety of screens. For example, gitea[1] and Gogs[2] both have a light text front page without going into the slideshow route (which I think is making more harm that good presenting ideas to the general public and particularly in conferences, courses and the educational sector) [1] https://gitea.io/ [2] https://gogs.io/ Cheers, Offray ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
On Monday, 9 Jul 2018 12:06 PM -0400, mario wrote: > As followup to last month` Show time.. discussion: > > → http://fossilslideshow.tmp.include-once.org/ > > (Take in mind this ain't a mockup yet; just as example.) > Discussion >== > > Is this something the Fossil homepage should have? > > Any strong opinions or thoughts on image bloat? I *hate* this! I find this sort of thing incredibly annoying on every webpage that I've ever seen that contains it! Please don't! -- Will ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
Re: [fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
I like it, though the timing is pretty fast, and some slides are truncated. On 9 July 2018 at 12:06, mario wrote: > As followup to last month` Show time.. discussion: > > → http://fossilslideshow.tmp.include-once.org/ > > (Take in mind this ain't a mockup yet; just as example.) > > Why oh why? > === > > Our current homepage is a bit wall of textish / too bland > I'd think. While it already gets all interesting features > across, it's not likely enticing to new users. > > And such a slideshow (colors do draw eyes) would more easily > showcase the advantages of Fossil. > > Pros & Cons > === > > Apart from really matching it up with the default theme, > all the usual drawbacks of a homepage slideshow apply: > > · It's somewhat of a generic fad (every other pet project > homepage has one these days) > · Makes it harder to follow each point (slide timing…) > · Needs more trimming down of slides + repeating some links > in the doc section. > · Images might be quite large (→ static files). > · "CGI" is already too abstract for a concrete pictogram. > · I feel it's slightly betraying the documentation-nature > of the Fossil homepage. > · And if implemented, people would want to have it with their > own Fossil setup (= must to be slim enough to be embedded > with one of the skins). > > On the other hand it's a cheap feature: > > · No jQuery necessary (there's even CSS-only slideshows) > · Kept the HTML list with minor adaptions > · Looks ok in w3m or dillo still. > · I don't think we'd even need to hire a graphics people to > design something neat here. > · Allows for less shy comparisons with Git/Hub/Lab. > · With all the work and features that went into Fossil, it's > perfectly warranted to show off a bit. > > Discussion > == > > Is this something the Fossil homepage should have? > > Any strong opinions or thoughts on image bloat? > > Who would want to partake / design one of the slideshow > images? (archeology-themed for obvious reasons!) > > Cutting down on intro text / feature points. > → How much is too much? > → Or add *more* links even? > > Can we also expand the homepage documentation list into > e.g. a three pane list (like the Apache manual): > → users, → developers, → quick overview sections? > > Rephrasing > == > (This is going to become the lengthier discussion…) > > There's a few headlines and key points which could be > adapted IMO (without overzealous hype/marketing). > For instance "mature + robust". Or "unobtrusive" in comparison > to Git. > And "fully customizable" instead of just themeable (because > we have TH1, and a JSON API, not just the skins). > > One thing I'd also like to see more prominently are links to > Hydra, ChiselApp, or even fossilrepos.sourceforge.net perhaps. > > Technical minutae > = > > Back to the example //fossilslideshow.tmp.include-once.org/ > A few thoughts on simplifying: > > · The img tags could be slashed by using background-image > and no-repeat instead. > · With transform and @keyframe, one could get rid of the > JavaScript entirely > · Not sure if back/forward buttons make sense. But a :hover > stop of the slides would make sense at least. > · If anyone is already using a simpler JS-snippet, please.. > · Not sure if embedding SVG makes sense. > · I'd prefer the quick links floater to stay / not sure if the > logo needs to remain. > ___ > fossil-users mailing list > fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org > http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users > ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
[fossil-users] Feature slideshow on fossil homepage
As followup to last month` Show time.. discussion: → http://fossilslideshow.tmp.include-once.org/ (Take in mind this ain't a mockup yet; just as example.) Why oh why? === Our current homepage is a bit wall of textish / too bland I'd think. While it already gets all interesting features across, it's not likely enticing to new users. And such a slideshow (colors do draw eyes) would more easily showcase the advantages of Fossil. Pros & Cons === Apart from really matching it up with the default theme, all the usual drawbacks of a homepage slideshow apply: · It's somewhat of a generic fad (every other pet project homepage has one these days) · Makes it harder to follow each point (slide timing…) · Needs more trimming down of slides + repeating some links in the doc section. · Images might be quite large (→ static files). · "CGI" is already too abstract for a concrete pictogram. · I feel it's slightly betraying the documentation-nature of the Fossil homepage. · And if implemented, people would want to have it with their own Fossil setup (= must to be slim enough to be embedded with one of the skins). On the other hand it's a cheap feature: · No jQuery necessary (there's even CSS-only slideshows) · Kept the HTML list with minor adaptions · Looks ok in w3m or dillo still. · I don't think we'd even need to hire a graphics people to design something neat here. · Allows for less shy comparisons with Git/Hub/Lab. · With all the work and features that went into Fossil, it's perfectly warranted to show off a bit. Discussion == Is this something the Fossil homepage should have? Any strong opinions or thoughts on image bloat? Who would want to partake / design one of the slideshow images? (archeology-themed for obvious reasons!) Cutting down on intro text / feature points. → How much is too much? → Or add *more* links even? Can we also expand the homepage documentation list into e.g. a three pane list (like the Apache manual): → users, → developers, → quick overview sections? Rephrasing == (This is going to become the lengthier discussion…) There's a few headlines and key points which could be adapted IMO (without overzealous hype/marketing). For instance "mature + robust". Or "unobtrusive" in comparison to Git. And "fully customizable" instead of just themeable (because we have TH1, and a JSON API, not just the skins). One thing I'd also like to see more prominently are links to Hydra, ChiselApp, or even fossilrepos.sourceforge.net perhaps. Technical minutae = Back to the example //fossilslideshow.tmp.include-once.org/ A few thoughts on simplifying: · The img tags could be slashed by using background-image and no-repeat instead. · With transform and @keyframe, one could get rid of the JavaScript entirely · Not sure if back/forward buttons make sense. But a :hover stop of the slides would make sense at least. · If anyone is already using a simpler JS-snippet, please.. · Not sure if embedding SVG makes sense. · I'd prefer the quick links floater to stay / not sure if the logo needs to remain. ___ fossil-users mailing list fossil-users@lists.fossil-scm.org http://lists.fossil-scm.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/fossil-users
