Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-05-04 Thread John Found
On Fri, 1 May 2015 14:34:46 -0400
Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote:

 We need the signed Contributors Agreement (CA) so that we can prove
 that your code is open source if that fact is ever disputed.  All CAs
 are kept in a (physical) file in the firesafe here at the SQLite.org
 headquarters.
 
 The CA says, in essence, yes my contributions to this project are
 open-source too.  CAs are common practice for all (non-GPL)
 open-source software.  You must sign a CA before contributing to any
 apache foundation project, for example.
 
 Print the document onto paper, then sign the piece of paper, then scan
 the paper and email me the scan.


Richard, sorry, but I will not sign this CA.

This way, using or not this skin is only up to you. 

My task was to create it and to release it under Free, Open Source license.

This is the way open source community works, at least from my point of view.

I created separate repository for the skin, with explicitly specified license:

http://chiselapp.com/user/johnfound/repository/ProgrammersClassic/index

If someone wants to use it, simply clone it.

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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-05-04 Thread Richard Hipp
On 5/4/15, John Found johnfo...@asm32.info wrote:

 Richard, sorry, but I will not sign this CA.


OK.  Thanks for letting me know.  We'll miss having your new skin as a
standard part of Fossil...

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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-05-01 Thread John Found
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 15:05:57 -0700
jungle Boogie jungleboog...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 30 April 2015 at 14:57, Ron W ronw.m...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  I like it. The maximum width of the main text area (the paper) is a little
  low, so I see a lot of border background. (my browser width is set for
  websites with sidebars on both sides, like Gmail)
 
 
 It's a cool skin but I agree with Ron:
 http://fresh.flatassembler.net/fossil/repo/fresh/wdiff?name=Fresh+IDEa=6759
 

The problem with the above example was a missing overflow: auto style. It is 
fixed now.

But the problem with the paper width still exists. 
But this is a very common problem in the web design with the wide screen 
displays. 

On the one hand, increasing the width, you are increasing the use of the screen 
area which is good.
On the other hand, the readability of the plain text articles decreases for 
very wide texts. 

Anyway, for the purposes of source code management, the screen use is more 
important, so I removed 
the max-width and now the paper will occupy the whole screen.   

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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-05-01 Thread John Found
On Fri, 1 May 2015 10:10:36 -0400
Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote:

 Off-list reply.
 
 Do we have a CA for you on file?  If not, can you send one in
 (https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/doc/trunk/www/copyright-release.html)
 so that we can add your new skin as one of the options in standard
 Fossil builds?
 
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The skin itself is open-source, so you can freely use it. I am not sure where I
have to write the license, but it is permissive and compatible with BSD.

But there are some technical problems. I used some tricks that will make 
it hard to pack the skin as a stand alone skin for Fossil. For example, 
it uses images attached to a wiki article. Embedding these images to the 
CSS will not be convenient, because of their size.

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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-05-01 Thread Richard Hipp
On 5/1/15, John Found johnfo...@asm32.info wrote:

 I missed the point here. Probably my English... It is open source.
 Why I have to sign this CA document? In addition, I can't sign it
 because I don't use PGP and don't have private/public key at all.


We need the signed Contributors Agreement (CA) so that we can prove
that your code is open source if that fact is ever disputed.  All CAs
are kept in a (physical) file in the firesafe here at the SQLite.org
headquarters.

The CA says, in essence, yes my contributions to this project are
open-source too.  CAs are common practice for all (non-GPL)
open-source software.  You must sign a CA before contributing to any
apache foundation project, for example.

Print the document onto paper, then sign the piece of paper, then scan
the paper and email me the scan.

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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-05-01 Thread John Found
On Fri, 1 May 2015 12:46:46 -0400
Richard Hipp d...@sqlite.org wrote:

 If you will just sign and send in a Fossil CA, I can then pull your
 code.  Then we can figure out what enhancements are needed in Fossil
 to make it convenient to use your skin without using dirty tricks like
 putting images in Wiki attachments.
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I missed the point here. Probably my English... It is open source. 
Why I have to sign this CA document? In addition, I can't sign it
because I don't use PGP and don't have private/public key at all.

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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-05-01 Thread paul

On 30/04/15 22:12, John Found wrote:

On Fri, 1 May 2015 00:03:01 +0300
John Found johnfo...@asm32.info wrote:


Well, the first version of my new skin is ready and uploaded. I named it 
ProgrammingClassic.


And the URL is: http://fresh.flatassembler.net/fossil/repo/fresh

It is published below, but I decided to post it explicitly.




Wow, that is fab, I like it a lot. Thanks for posting the link.
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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-05-01 Thread John Found
On Fri, 1 May 2015 10:43:45 +0200
Martin S. Weber ephae...@gmx.net wrote:

 By giving the user the control over the width of the rendered page back
 by making it a function of the browser's client width, the user can
 easily adjust the width of the browser for prose reading, often with a
 single keystroke (e.g. on windows, win+{left,right}, for me on awesome
 it mostly is one keystroke, sometimes two, depending on my active tags
 etc., but I digress). This is more user-friendly than deciding an optimal
 reading width for them (that may or may not pay attention to user-styles,
 user-selected fonts, one of the ways a document can be scaled on the
 user-end, etc.), so here's a tip to the hat for you: *.
 

Well, maybe it is a bad practice, but my browser is always maximized.
Also, all people I know maximize their browsers...


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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-05-01 Thread Doug Franklin

On 2015-05-01 4:43, Martin S. Weber wrote:


This is more user-friendly than deciding an optimal
reading width for them (that may or may not pay attention to user-styles,
user-selected fonts, one of the ways a document can be scaled on the
user-end, etc.), so here's a tip to the hat for you: *.


+100

People have different hardware; use their systems differently; configure 
their systems differently; run different sets of applications.  Let 
users decide how big the window should be for their usage and 
preferences, both for browsers and for GUI apps.


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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-05-01 Thread Martin S. Weber
On 2015-05-01 11:58:30, John Found wrote:
 (...)
 Well, maybe it is a bad practice, but my browser is always maximized.
 Also, all people I know maximize their browsers...

Which is why I was saying, one keystroke and you're ready for
prose-reading-mode, but the other way around, there's no way for you to
reach that. If your windowing environment STILL doesn't support at least
basic tiling, it's time to change ;)

Regards,
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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-05-01 Thread John Found
On Fri, 01 May 2015 08:49:30 -0400
Doug Franklin nutdriverle...@comcast.net wrote:

 On 2015-05-01 4:43, Martin S. Weber wrote:
 
  This is more user-friendly than deciding an optimal
  reading width for them (that may or may not pay attention to user-styles,
  user-selected fonts, one of the ways a document can be scaled on the
  user-end, etc.), so here's a tip to the hat for you: *.
 
 +100
 
 People have different hardware; use their systems differently; configure 
 their systems differently; run different sets of applications.  Let 
 users decide how big the window should be for their usage and 
 preferences, both for browsers and for GUI apps.
 
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I agree and you can see that my skin scales pretty good for the different 
window sizes. 

But my observations are that the majority of the users use the browser in
one single mode - maximized. This way, it is good for the web designer to
take into consideration this fact, instead to blame his visitors to not
use the computer in a proper way.

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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-04-30 Thread John Found
Well, the first version of my new skin is ready and uploaded. I named it 
ProgrammingClassic.

I am not sure it can be used as a general purpose skin, because it depends of 
some images
attached to wiki article, i.e. contains other elements than CSS, Header and 
Footer elements (some images).

But maybe the ideas can be useful for someone. 

Any opinions about improvements are welcome.

Regards.



On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:24:29 +0300
John Found johnfo...@asm32.info wrote:

 I am trying to make fossil repository [2] to look like the home site of the 
 project [1], but unfortunately
 in order to make the borders as on the site, I need div.content to has 
 transparent background. In the same
 time, the background of the page must be white.
 
 In [1] I made it by using div.paper that contain no text and only serve to 
 provide the proper border.
 It has transparent background and border-image with transparency (the tractor 
 holes). All elements
 contained in div.paper have margin:0px in order to not have transparent 
 gaps.
 
 Unfortunately, in the fossil generated HTML, the div.content element contains 
 some text, not enclosed in 
 any tags. This way, I can't make this text background white and it remains 
 transparent.
 
 Any ideas how to make the trick? Is it possible at all?
 
 [1] http://fresh.flatassembler.net/
 [2] http://fresh.flatassembler.net/fossil/repo/fresh/index
 
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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-04-30 Thread John Found
On Fri, 1 May 2015 00:03:01 +0300
John Found johnfo...@asm32.info wrote:

 Well, the first version of my new skin is ready and uploaded. I named it 
 ProgrammingClassic.
 

And the URL is: http://fresh.flatassembler.net/fossil/repo/fresh

It is published below, but I decided to post it explicitly.


 I am not sure it can be used as a general purpose skin, because it depends of 
 some images
 attached to wiki article, i.e. contains other elements than CSS, Header and 
 Footer elements (some images).
 
 But maybe the ideas can be useful for someone. 
 
 Any opinions about improvements are welcome.
 
 Regards.
 
 
 
 On Wed, 29 Apr 2015 21:24:29 +0300
 John Found johnfo...@asm32.info wrote:
 
  I am trying to make fossil repository [2] to look like the home site of the 
  project [1], but unfortunately
  in order to make the borders as on the site, I need div.content to has 
  transparent background. In the same
  time, the background of the page must be white.
  
  In [1] I made it by using div.paper that contain no text and only serve 
  to provide the proper border.
  It has transparent background and border-image with transparency (the 
  tractor holes). All elements
  contained in div.paper have margin:0px in order to not have transparent 
  gaps.
  
  Unfortunately, in the fossil generated HTML, the div.content element 
  contains some text, not enclosed in 
  any tags. This way, I can't make this text background white and it remains 
  transparent.
  
  Any ideas how to make the trick? Is it possible at all?
  
  [1] http://fresh.flatassembler.net/
  [2] http://fresh.flatassembler.net/fossil/repo/fresh/index
  
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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-04-30 Thread Ron W
On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 5:03 PM, John Found johnfo...@asm32.info wrote:

 Well, the first version of my new skin is ready and uploaded. I named it
 ProgrammingClassic.

 Any opinions about improvements are welcome.


I like it. The maximum width of the main text area (the paper) is a
little low, so I see a lot of border background. (my browser width is set
for websites with sidebars on both sides, like Gmail)
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Re: [fossil-users] Skin almost finished.

2015-04-30 Thread jungle Boogie
On 30 April 2015 at 14:57, Ron W ronw.m...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Apr 30, 2015 at 5:03 PM, John Found johnfo...@asm32.info wrote:

 Well, the first version of my new skin is ready and uploaded. I named it
 ProgrammingClassic.

 Any opinions about improvements are welcome.


 I like it. The maximum width of the main text area (the paper) is a little
 low, so I see a lot of border background. (my browser width is set for
 websites with sidebars on both sides, like Gmail)


It's a cool skin but I agree with Ron:
http://fresh.flatassembler.net/fossil/repo/fresh/wdiff?name=Fresh+IDEa=6759

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