Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[Marc Simpson]

Another issue, taking https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/timeline as an
example this time.

- Click `Advanced` to see commits, etc.
- Check `Files` in the toolbar to see files as well
- Page reloads with files... but back in the Basic view

So, advanced should probably be a query parameter here (when a reload
is required).

/M

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 1:27 AM, j. van den hoff  wrote:
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 23:51:23 +0100, Marc Simpson  wrote:
>
>> One other (potential) problem: without the hash prefix, descriptions
>> run together.
>> Example: http://www.sqlite.org/src/timeline, 2017-11-24. The graph
>> nodes are flushed to the left, so descriptions appear as:
>>  Add the "^" syntax from fts3/4 to fts5. ...
>>   Enhance the configure script to detect zLib. ...
>> It's not immediately clear that these are separate commits given the
>> amount of horizontal space; adding a bit more vertical padding or
>> boxing descriptions (perhaps with alternating colours) might help?
>
>
> +1
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[j. van den hoff]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 23:51:23 +0100, Marc Simpson  wrote:


One other (potential) problem: without the hash prefix, descriptions
run together.
Example: http://www.sqlite.org/src/timeline, 2017-11-24. The graph
nodes are flushed to the left, so descriptions appear as:
 Add the "^" syntax from fts3/4 to fts5. ...
  Enhance the configure script to detect zLib. ...
It's not immediately clear that these are separate commits given the
amount of horizontal space; adding a bit more vertical padding or
boxing descriptions (perhaps with alternating colours) might help?


+1

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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[Stephan Beal]

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 11:06 PM, Tony Papadimitriou  wrote:

> The idea looks very good to me.  But the ellipses are indeed barely
> visible.
> How about replacing ... with [*] as a generic (foot)note mark?
>

LOL! i didn't even notice that the ellipsis were there. i recommend doing
away with them entirely, an simply making "click a timeline entry to expand
its details" a new documented feature.

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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[Stephan Beal]

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Richard Hipp  wrote:

> In the latest code on https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/timeline and
> at https://sqlite.org/srcx/timeline has a "Declutter" button on the
> sub-menu bar to simplify the screen.  In the simplified timeline,
> there is a "Details" button to get all the details back again.
>

i was about to suggest that clicking on a single entry declutter only that
entry, but it seems you already did that :).

(2) Decluttered should be the default.  Currently Details is the
> default.  I spent a lot of time experimenting last night, and what I
> found myself doing every time I encountered a timeline was immediately
> pressing the "Declutter" button to get a high-level overview of the
> graph, then clicking on "Details" if I wanted to see more.  From that
> experience, I think coming up in Decluttered mode would be a much
> better approach.
>

"This should be the default" was my first impression.


> ...decluttered mode (showing only the check-in comment for each entry)
> but with ellipses or some other small icon at the end of each comment
> that you can click on to expand the details.
>

i like the way it works now, that you simply click anywhere on the row.
Granted, it's possibly not intuitive without some visual indicator to click
on ("..."), but it's visually elegant.

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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[bytevolcano]

On Sat, 25 Nov 2017 18:46:52 -0600
Zakero  wrote:

> To help make the ellipses more visible, you could put them in their
> own   and let the skin figure out what looks best.  Also,
> instead of using "...", what about "[+]"?

If it's going at the end of the text, how about ">>>"?
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[Jungle Boogie]

On Sat 25 Nov 2017  6:46 PM, Zakero wrote:
> To help make the ellipses more visible, you could put them in their own
>   and let the skin figure out what looks best.  Also, instead of
> using "...", what about "[+]"?
> 

Yes, I support this suggestion. Most sites I've seen that can expand/shrink
info usually wrap it with something like [+] [-] buttons.

> >
> > On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Marc Simpson  wrote:
> >
> >> One other (potential) problem: without the hash prefix, descriptions
> >> run together.
> >>
> >> Example: http://www.sqlite.org/src/timeline, 2017-11-24. The graph
> >> nodes are flushed to the left, so descriptions appear as:
> >>
> >>   Add the "^" syntax from fts3/4 to fts5. ...
> >>   Enhance the configure script to detect zLib. ...

Yes, this is a good point. Your eyes need to read all the way to the end
of the line with "fts5" and then to the beginning of the next line with
the timestamp to see these are two different check-ins.

> >>
> >>
> >> /M
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[David Mason]

What you have seems to handle the ellipsis properly (by my definition of
properly).

But you really should use title/tooltip.

On 25 November 2017 at 21:45, Richard Hipp  wrote:

> On 11/25/17, Richard Hipp  wrote:
> > On 11/25/17, sky5w...@gmail.com  wrote:
> >> Ok, the current behavior is cool, but renders the ellipses superfluous.
> >> Clicking anywhere in a line expands/contracts the info.
> >> Any chance to drop the many many ⋯'s after all my comments?
> >>
> >
> > I think the following CSS will do that for you:
> >
> > .timelineEllipsis { display: 'none'; }
>
> No, that won't work, because the toggleEllipsis() JS function will get
> confused.
>
> How about making your ellipsis very small:
>
>.timelineEllipsis { font-size: 50%; }
>
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[sky5walk]

I will try smallest scaling of the ellipsis, if it really must remain...
And I can live with .timelineEllipsis { display: 'none'; }, since the
Advanced button will override if I want extra info.
Thanks for the options.



On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 9:52 PM, David Mason  wrote:

> 
>   function cancelProp(event){
>  if (event.stopPropagation) {event.stopPropagation()} //w3c
> else {event.cancelBubble = true } // ie
>   }
> 
> 
>   http://google.ca; onclick="cancelProp(event)" title=" ">
> google
>   
>   blah blah
> 
>
> Suppressing the title on the link is tricky the above works on
> Chrome/Firefox but shows a space on IE/Safari - see:
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5881954/html-stop-child-elements-from-
> inheriting-parents-title-attribute but you might have a useful title to
> give it.
>
> ../Dave
>
> On 25 November 2017 at 20:47, Richard Hipp  wrote:
>
>> On 11/25/17, David Mason  wrote:
>> >
>> > When I did that, I made clicking on anywhere in that div expand it.
>> >
>>
>> I've done that in the latest.  Actually, I made it click-to-toggle.
>> That seems to work a lot better than trying to click on the ellipsis.
>>
>> But there is a subtle problem.  For timeline comments that contain a
>> hyperlink (ex: https://www.sqlite.org/srcx/timeline?c=b016c28f) if I
>> click on the hyperlink, it first toggles the detail on/off before it
>> takes the hyperlink.  Do you have suggestions on how I can disable the
>> "onclick" on the outer  when one clicks inside an inner ?
>> --
>> D. Richard Hipp
>> d...@sqlite.org
>>
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[David Mason]

  function cancelProp(event){
 if (event.stopPropagation) {event.stopPropagation()} //w3c
else {event.cancelBubble = true } // ie
  }


  http://google.ca; onclick="cancelProp(event)" title=" ">
google
  
  blah blah


Suppressing the title on the link is tricky the above works on
Chrome/Firefox but shows a space on IE/Safari - see:
https://stackoverflow.com/questions/5881954/html-stop-child-elements-from-inheriting-parents-title-attribute
but you might have a useful title to give it.

../Dave

On 25 November 2017 at 20:47, Richard Hipp  wrote:

> On 11/25/17, David Mason  wrote:
> >
> > When I did that, I made clicking on anywhere in that div expand it.
> >
>
> I've done that in the latest.  Actually, I made it click-to-toggle.
> That seems to work a lot better than trying to click on the ellipsis.
>
> But there is a subtle problem.  For timeline comments that contain a
> hyperlink (ex: https://www.sqlite.org/srcx/timeline?c=b016c28f) if I
> click on the hyperlink, it first toggles the detail on/off before it
> takes the hyperlink.  Do you have suggestions on how I can disable the
> "onclick" on the outer  when one clicks inside an inner ?
> --
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[Richard Hipp]

On 11/25/17, sky5w...@gmail.com  wrote:
> Ok, the current behavior is cool, but renders the ellipses superfluous.
> Clicking anywhere in a line expands/contracts the info.
> Any chance to drop the many many ⋯'s after all my comments?
>

I think the following CSS will do that for you:

.timelineEllipsis { display: 'none'; }
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[sky5walk]

Ok, the current behavior is cool, but renders the ellipses superfluous.
Clicking anywhere in a line expands/contracts the info.
Any chance to drop the many many ⋯'s after all my comments?

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 8:47 PM, Richard Hipp  wrote:

> On 11/25/17, David Mason  wrote:
> >
> > When I did that, I made clicking on anywhere in that div expand it.
> >
>
> I've done that in the latest.  Actually, I made it click-to-toggle.
> That seems to work a lot better than trying to click on the ellipsis.
>
> But there is a subtle problem.  For timeline comments that contain a
> hyperlink (ex: https://www.sqlite.org/srcx/timeline?c=b016c28f) if I
> click on the hyperlink, it first toggles the detail on/off before it
> takes the hyperlink.  Do you have suggestions on how I can disable the
> "onclick" on the outer  when one clicks inside an inner ?
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[Richard Hipp]

On 11/25/17, David Mason  wrote:
>
> When I did that, I made clicking on anywhere in that div expand it.
>

I've done that in the latest.  Actually, I made it click-to-toggle.
That seems to work a lot better than trying to click on the ellipsis.

But there is a subtle problem.  For timeline comments that contain a
hyperlink (ex: https://www.sqlite.org/srcx/timeline?c=b016c28f) if I
click on the hyperlink, it first toggles the detail on/off before it
takes the hyperlink.  Do you have suggestions on how I can disable the
"onclick" on the outer  when one clicks inside an inner ?
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[Zakero]

To help make the ellipses more visible, you could put them in their own
  and let the skin figure out what looks best.  Also, instead of
using "...", what about "[+]"?

Something that I consider a functional inconsistency with the current
implementation is that after the "..." is clicked on, there is no way to
hide the now visible details.  A possible solution would be have a "[-]" to
re-hide the info.

Another issue that I noticed with timeline?commentformat=2 is the the hash
does not always appear at the end of the commit message.  Take this commit
line as an example: "Edit [a46b9e77]: Edit check-in comment. •••"


On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 5:31 PM,  wrote:

> Man, are those ellipses absolutely necessary?
> (So close with the previous uncluttered timeline.)
> Is it possible to make the 1st word/sentence of the checkin comment a
> hyperlink to the extra info?
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Marc Simpson  wrote:
>
>> One other (potential) problem: without the hash prefix, descriptions
>> run together.
>>
>> Example: http://www.sqlite.org/src/timeline, 2017-11-24. The graph
>> nodes are flushed to the left, so descriptions appear as:
>>
>>   Add the "^" syntax from fts3/4 to fts5. ...
>>   Enhance the configure script to detect zLib. ...
>>
>> It's not immediately clear that these are separate commits given the
>> amount of horizontal space; adding a bit more vertical padding or
>> boxing descriptions (perhaps with alternating colours) might help?
>>
>> Personally, I prefer seeing the short hash before each description
>> (perhaps this could be an option in the Advanced view?).
>>
>> /M
>>
>> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Tony Papadimitriou 
>> wrote:
>> > The idea looks very good to me.  But the ellipses are indeed barely
>> visible.
>> > How about replacing ... with [*] as a generic (foot)note mark?
>> >
>> > -Original Message- From: Richard Hipp
>> > Timelines now come up in Basic mode, which means only the check-in
>> > comment shows.  There are ellipses at the end of each comment.  If you
>> > click on the ellipsis for one comment, it expands the (detail) section
>> > for that one timeline entry.
>> >
>> > The ellipses at the ends of comments in basic mode are barely visible.
>> >
>> > D. Richard Hipp
>> >
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[Richard Hipp]

On 11/25/17, Tony Papadimitriou  wrote:
> But the ellipses are indeed barely visible.

I replaced the "..." text with "".  I think it is
better now.  I'm still not 100% happy with it, though.

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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[David Mason]

Looks good.

When I did that, I made clicking on anywhere in that div expand it.

You should also add a title that says "Click to expand" so that they don't
have to know/infer that the ellipsis is an active link.

I also like being able to shrink it back... right now there isn't that much
extra detail, but you may add more.

I don't want to sound critical or look a gift-horse in the mouth, but I
looked at your page source and it's way more complicated than it needs to
be.  If you look at my message in the other thread, all the code is there
to make it work with a lot less generated HTML and be a lot cleaner.

../Dave

On 25 November 2017 at 16:40, Richard Hipp  wrote:

> The names of the of the buttons are now "Advanced" and "Basic".  And
> they work by setting .style.display using JS.
>
> Timelines now come up in Basic mode, which means only the check-in
> comment shows.  There are ellipses at the end of each comment.  If you
> click on the ellipsis for one comment, it expands the (detail) section
> for that one timeline entry.
>
> Try it out:
>
>  https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/timeline
>  https://sqlite.org/srcx/timeline
>
> Problems:  (please suggest solutions)
>
> The ellipses at the ends of comments in basic mode are barely visible.
> And they are not configurable using CSS (at least not by any CSS that
> I know).
>
> That's the only serious problem that springs immediately to mind, but
> perhaps you can find others for me.
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[sky5walk]

Man, are those ellipses absolutely necessary?
(So close with the previous uncluttered timeline.)
Is it possible to make the 1st word/sentence of the checkin comment a
hyperlink to the extra info?

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 5:51 PM, Marc Simpson  wrote:

> One other (potential) problem: without the hash prefix, descriptions
> run together.
>
> Example: http://www.sqlite.org/src/timeline, 2017-11-24. The graph
> nodes are flushed to the left, so descriptions appear as:
>
>   Add the "^" syntax from fts3/4 to fts5. ...
>   Enhance the configure script to detect zLib. ...
>
> It's not immediately clear that these are separate commits given the
> amount of horizontal space; adding a bit more vertical padding or
> boxing descriptions (perhaps with alternating colours) might help?
>
> Personally, I prefer seeing the short hash before each description
> (perhaps this could be an option in the Advanced view?).
>
> /M
>
> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Tony Papadimitriou  wrote:
> > The idea looks very good to me.  But the ellipses are indeed barely
> visible.
> > How about replacing ... with [*] as a generic (foot)note mark?
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Richard Hipp
> > Timelines now come up in Basic mode, which means only the check-in
> > comment shows.  There are ellipses at the end of each comment.  If you
> > click on the ellipsis for one comment, it expands the (detail) section
> > for that one timeline entry.
> >
> > The ellipses at the ends of comments in basic mode are barely visible.
> >
> > D. Richard Hipp
> >
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[Marc Simpson]

One other (potential) problem: without the hash prefix, descriptions
run together.

Example: http://www.sqlite.org/src/timeline, 2017-11-24. The graph
nodes are flushed to the left, so descriptions appear as:

  Add the "^" syntax from fts3/4 to fts5. ...
  Enhance the configure script to detect zLib. ...

It's not immediately clear that these are separate commits given the
amount of horizontal space; adding a bit more vertical padding or
boxing descriptions (perhaps with alternating colours) might help?

Personally, I prefer seeing the short hash before each description
(perhaps this could be an option in the Advanced view?).

/M

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Tony Papadimitriou  wrote:
> The idea looks very good to me.  But the ellipses are indeed barely visible.
> How about replacing ... with [*] as a generic (foot)note mark?
>
> -Original Message- From: Richard Hipp
> Timelines now come up in Basic mode, which means only the check-in
> comment shows.  There are ellipses at the end of each comment.  If you
> click on the ellipsis for one comment, it expands the (detail) section
> for that one timeline entry.
>
> The ellipses at the ends of comments in basic mode are barely visible.
>
> D. Richard Hipp
>
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[Tony Papadimitriou]

The idea looks very good to me.  But the ellipses are indeed barely visible.
How about replacing ... with [*] as a generic (foot)note mark?

-Original Message- 
From: Richard Hipp 


Timelines now come up in Basic mode, which means only the check-in
comment shows.  There are ellipses at the end of each comment.  If you
click on the ellipsis for one comment, it expands the (detail) section
for that one timeline entry.

The ellipses at the ends of comments in basic mode are barely visible.

D. Richard Hipp

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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[Richard Hipp]

The names of the of the buttons are now "Advanced" and "Basic".  And
they work by setting .style.display using JS.

Timelines now come up in Basic mode, which means only the check-in
comment shows.  There are ellipses at the end of each comment.  If you
click on the ellipsis for one comment, it expands the (detail) section
for that one timeline entry.

Try it out:

 https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/timeline
 https://sqlite.org/srcx/timeline

Problems:  (please suggest solutions)

The ellipses at the ends of comments in basic mode are barely visible.
And they are not configurable using CSS (at least not by any CSS that
I know).

That's the only serious problem that springs immediately to mind, but
perhaps you can find others for me.
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[bch]

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 7:26 AM  wrote:

> "​(2) Decluttered should be the default."
> I agree clutter should not be default?​
> I would drop that term altogether.
>

Simplified vs detailed would probably be more appropriate words. I do like
the “files” toggle in the “cluttered” mode, though.


-bch



> On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Richard Hipp  wrote:
>
>> In the latest code on https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/timeline and
>> at https://sqlite.org/srcx/timeline has a "Declutter" button on the
>> sub-menu bar to simplify the screen.  In the simplified timeline,
>> there is a "Details" button to get all the details back again.
>>
>> I'm not done with this interface improvement push.  Here are my
>> short-term plans:
>>
>> (1) Right now, pressing "Declutter" or "Details" is a server
>> round-trip.  I think it would better to handle this using javascript.
>>
>> (2) Decluttered should be the default.  Currently Details is the
>> default.  I spent a lot of time experimenting last night, and what I
>> found myself doing every time I encountered a timeline was immediately
>> pressing the "Declutter" button to get a high-level overview of the
>> graph, then clicking on "Details" if I wanted to see more.  From that
>> experience, I think coming up in Decluttered mode would be a much
>> better approach.
>>
>> (3) Details/Declutter for the entire graph is good and should be kept.
>> But it would be even better to be able to see the details of
>> individual timeline entries.  I'm thinking that timelines come up in
>> decluttered mode (showing only the check-in comment for each entry)
>> but with ellipses or some other small icon at the end of each comment
>> that you can click on to expand the details.
>>
>> You can help!  Send me your ideas of what you think timelines should
>> look like.  Even better:  send me mock-ups.  Static HTML pages that
>> you have hand-edited will be fine - just be sure to include the CSS,
>> or better, put all the CSS in-line on your hand-edited mockup.
>>
>> You can also keep experimenting with the code I have on-line and send
>> me your complaints and suggestions for improvement.
>>
>> Web developers - help me with this:  For item (3) above, how can I
>> make the ellipsis or icon to "show more detail" configurable using
>> CSS?  What's the best way to handle that so that people can customize
>> the look for various skins?
>>
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Re: [fossil-users] More timeline changes

[sky5walk]

"​(2) Decluttered should be the default."
I agree clutter should not be default?​
I would drop that term altogether.

On Sat, Nov 25, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Richard Hipp  wrote:

> In the latest code on https://www.fossil-scm.org/fossil/timeline and
> at https://sqlite.org/srcx/timeline has a "Declutter" button on the
> sub-menu bar to simplify the screen.  In the simplified timeline,
> there is a "Details" button to get all the details back again.
>
> I'm not done with this interface improvement push.  Here are my
> short-term plans:
>
> (1) Right now, pressing "Declutter" or "Details" is a server
> round-trip.  I think it would better to handle this using javascript.
>
> (2) Decluttered should be the default.  Currently Details is the
> default.  I spent a lot of time experimenting last night, and what I
> found myself doing every time I encountered a timeline was immediately
> pressing the "Declutter" button to get a high-level overview of the
> graph, then clicking on "Details" if I wanted to see more.  From that
> experience, I think coming up in Decluttered mode would be a much
> better approach.
>
> (3) Details/Declutter for the entire graph is good and should be kept.
> But it would be even better to be able to see the details of
> individual timeline entries.  I'm thinking that timelines come up in
> decluttered mode (showing only the check-in comment for each entry)
> but with ellipses or some other small icon at the end of each comment
> that you can click on to expand the details.
>
> You can help!  Send me your ideas of what you think timelines should
> look like.  Even better:  send me mock-ups.  Static HTML pages that
> you have hand-edited will be fine - just be sure to include the CSS,
> or better, put all the CSS in-line on your hand-edited mockup.
>
> You can also keep experimenting with the code I have on-line and send
> me your complaints and suggestions for improvement.
>
> Web developers - help me with this:  For item (3) above, how can I
> make the ellipsis or icon to "show more detail" configurable using
> CSS?  What's the best way to handle that so that people can customize
> the look for various skins?
>
> --
> D. Richard Hipp
> d...@sqlite.org
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