Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Policy Interlingual Coordinationn - WP:NOT
Birgitte SB wrote: I don't know that it is useful to make a general policy for exceptions. I think it is better just to watch out for such problems to pop up and try to direct attention to them when they are noticed. I think it is a better use of time and energy to wait and react to the sorts of extreme situation you suggest, rather than to seek to proactively verify that no wikis are in danger of developing such situations. Not that I would stop anyone form volunteering to take such task on. It is just that it is very tricky. It probably would be more effective to wait till the locals complain and ask for help than to try and step in and accuse admins, who likely have put the most time and edits into the wiki, of mismanagement. Oftentimes locals that even have disagreements with the admins will be inclined to oppose your interference on the principal of solidarity, the devil you know, etc. It is very touchy situation that leans towards misunderstandings even when everyone speaks the same language. As much as I have always supported project autonomy, I know from experience on Wikisource that certain malevolent individuals like Pathoschild will leave no facts undistorted to achieve their ends. I found what happened there deeply offensive. I did ask for help here. You asked then that I move the discussion back to the project, and out of respect for you I did. That accomplished nothing. I suggested mediation, and you effectively refused. Bureaucrats should have enough experience, stature and impartiality to be able to step into these situations and bring people to a common understanding instead of burying their heads in the sand and pretending that there is no problem. A community like the one at Wikisource is obviously too small to have a formal arbitration process, so we should be able to expect better leadership from the bureaucrats. So perhaps it is time for some kind of system outside the project that can look at these personality problems more objectively. Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Policy Interlingual Coordinationn - WP:NOT
Mark Williamson wrote: My point is that this situation has arisen many times in the past and the response is very frequently a simple We can't help you, it's a local issue. Of course it should be dealt with at a local level but I think that the foundation should be a little less hands-off than it has often been when it comes to smaller communities where people have been allowed to wield tremendous influence just because they got to a wiki first. It doesn't even need to be the Foundation. Any group of people with objectivity and people skills would suffice. Of course, where another language is at the heart of the controversy there are special difficulties in getting outsiders to understand the particular problem. Ec ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Hoi, This is a huge improvement over the last election where not all projects were targeted for this type of mail. As a result there is less bias in the system. So you can opt out if you do not want to receive an e-mail for the next election. Iit is a huge improvement to have an e-mail by the organisers of the election over someone who does because he can and has thinks it a good idea. This is very much a friendly nudge to go and do your democratic duty because you can. Thanks, Gerard PS did you do your democratic duty ? 2009/8/8 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send untargetted mass emails - they are spam. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, This is a huge improvement over the last election where not all projects were targeted for this type of mail. As a result there is less bias in the system. So you can opt out if you do not want to receive an e-mail for the next election. Iit is a huge improvement to have an e-mail by the organisers of the election over someone who does because he can and has thinks it a good idea. This is very much a friendly nudge to go and do your democratic duty because you can. Although it's not an improvement in that its very close to the election and the rate of response to the mail appeared to lag several days in a prior election. A lot of people are going to notice the mail next week and be annoyed that they were left out. Someone should make a note of that for the future. My rule of thumb for any notification procedure on Wikipedia, based on meetup and other events, is that one week is required to even reach a majority of the eventual targets and that two is much better. Sufficient notice is important— Especially when responding to the notice is something that may require reading a half meg of text or so. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Yeah, that one's noted for the post-mortem. Philippe On Aug 8, 2009, at 12:47 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, This is a huge improvement over the last election where not all projects were targeted for this type of mail. As a result there is less bias in the system. So you can opt out if you do not want to receive an e-mail for the next election. Iit is a huge improvement to have an e-mail by the organisers of the election over someone who does because he can and has thinks it a good idea. This is very much a friendly nudge to go and do your democratic duty because you can. Although it's not an improvement in that its very close to the election and the rate of response to the mail appeared to lag several days in a prior election. A lot of people are going to notice the mail next week and be annoyed that they were left out. Someone should make a note of that for the future. My rule of thumb for any notification procedure on Wikipedia, based on meetup and other events, is that one week is required to even reach a majority of the eventual targets and that two is much better. Sufficient notice is important— Especially when responding to the notice is something that may require reading a half meg of text or so. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:52 PM, Meno 25meno25w...@gmail.com wrote: and also please don't send e-mails to bot accounts. I found that email quite helpful. I had forgotten that my bot gave me a second vote. -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:34 AM, John Vandenbergjay...@gmail.com wrote: I had forgotten that my bot gave me a second vote. Is that a joke? -Robert Rohde ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Robert Rohderaro...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:34 AM, John Vandenbergjay...@gmail.com wrote: I had forgotten that my bot gave me a second vote. Is that a joke? My bot, which has a bot flag on two projects, was sent an email asking it to vote. Is that a joke? -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Hello, Aren't we working to wrong way, I think it should be better to let people opt-in, because we didn't release our e-mail addresses for this kind of spam. I use different emails for private / mailinglist use and I didn't give permission to use my private email. Its kind of stupid that this email isn't send out when the election started, but is send when a lot of people already voted, and its unneeded now so its spam. But its very good to know that my three bots can vote to, if the election commitee sends me a email that the bots can vote, I'm sure they are really allowed right? :P Best regards, Huib Laurens ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
No silly - it's a mistake! (don't be so grumpy. - or be aware that this could come across as grumpy at least) I recall the grumbles when Greg sent something out last year or the year before, and feel the same about this as that - the folk sending the email are using an imperfect system, but overall it's worth it - I'm hope that those feeling personally affronted by such an approach can take solace in something or other, and just generally relax a notch or two :-) cheers, Peter, PM. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:58 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Robert Rohderaro...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:34 AM, John Vandenbergjay...@gmail.com wrote: I had forgotten that my bot gave me a second vote. Is that a joke? My bot, which has a bot flag on two projects, was sent an email asking it to vote. Is that a joke? -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM, private musingsthepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: No silly - it's a mistake! (don't be so grumpy. - or be aware that this could come across as grumpy at least) I recall the grumbles when Greg sent something out last year or the year before, and feel the same about this as that - the folk sending the email are using an imperfect system, but overall it's worth it - I'm hope that those feeling personally affronted by such an approach can take solace in something or other, and just generally relax a notch or two :-) Oh, I am not affronted. I am thrilled that the election committee decided that computer engineers should be rewarded for their ingenuity by allowing their fine opinion to be counted twice. This motivates me to write more bots for next year. p.s. can the election committee ensure that votes from bot accounts are not counted?? p.p.s. if I can have another free vote, I will gladly write a bot to help the election committee to discount bot votes... -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
John Vandenberg wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM, private musingsthepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: No silly - it's a mistake! (don't be so grumpy. - or be aware that this could come across as grumpy at least) I recall the grumbles when Greg sent something out last year or the year before, and feel the same about this as that - the folk sending the email are using an imperfect system, but overall it's worth it - I'm hope that those feeling personally affronted by such an approach can take solace in something or other, and just generally relax a notch or two :-) Oh, I am not affronted. I am thrilled that the election committee decided that computer engineers should be rewarded for their ingenuity by allowing their fine opinion to be counted twice. This motivates me to write more bots for next year. p.s. can the election committee ensure that votes from bot accounts are not counted?? p.p.s. if I can have another free vote, I will gladly write a bot to help the election committee to discount bot votes... The election software should automatically prevent an account flagged as bot from voting in the first place. The committee then have the task of manually vetting the caste votes to ensure only one vote is submitted/counted by each human. KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Philippe Beaudette wrote:
Yeah, that one's noted for the post-mortem.
I'm going to add some notes for future generation that send this in 2
years time based on my experience sending this last year (and also
thinking about it this year) before I forget. I'm sure this year's
committee Werdna will have their own note to add.
(Note: this is not a list of what haven't been done, but what should be
considered for someone starting anew.)
* Make sure the committee argues on how who the emails will be sent
early on, and not still wondering about it 4 days before the end of
voting
* Send those emails somewhere near the start of voting, not 3 days
before the end... ;)
* Given a list of all the eligible voters from the start of the
election, remove all belonging to the same user (think SUL), remove and
leave only primary account for non-unified account with the same email
address. Remove in advance, or check and remove in real time all
accounts marked as bot blocked. Remove all those on the
[[meta:Wikimedia nomail list]].
* Take snapshot of all those that have voted at start of email run, and
remove from email list.
In terms of the actual message:
* Translate the email subject as well as the main body text.
* Translate the the string {Year} Board Election Committee or similar
and use it as the From header, and at the end of the the body text.
* Have a table of all active projects in their local name instead of
just using the English version.
Hope that helps anyone reading this in 2 years time. :D
KTC
/me wait 2 years to see if it makes any difference
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Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Huib! wrote: Hello, Aren't we working to wrong way, I think it should be better to let people opt-in, because we didn't release our e-mail addresses for this kind of spam. I use different emails for private / mailinglist use and I didn't give permission to use my private email. Can I just point out the email address concerned was supplied by you to Wikimedia Foundation, where your account's preference is set Enable e-mail from other users. I'm not saying only people where that is set was sent email, and no people where that is not set (i.e. email on record only for password recovery) were not sent. However, in your particular case, I or anyone else for that matter could just as easily send you the email via the Commons interface and it would had be no different. Its kind of stupid that this email isn't send out when the election started, but is send when a lot of people already voted, and its unneeded now so its spam. It's unfortunate this year, those that have already voted received the email. Obviously it should be noted so it doesn't happens in the future (i.e. in 2 years time). But there are should a lot of people who is able to vote but haven't voted, and it wouldn't be spam to send them this email. KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm sorry you got an email that bothered you. Trust me, we try to make sure no one is bothered by them. Sometimes people fall through the cracks, and I'm sorry that was the case here and in a few other cases. I'm supposedly one who fell through the cracks. shrug Have to say though, I was impressed by being invited to vote in elections for the board, which operates projects such as Wikiversity. I don't know how you can specify a person's main project in this script (nor do I need/want to know) - but just to give praise where praise is due. :-) Cormac ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Hello, As far as I know the email users function doesn't show the emailadres to people so you could email me with that function and you still doesn't have my emailadres :) Best regards, Huib ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Cormac Lawler wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm sorry you got an email that bothered you. Trust me, we try to make sure no one is bothered by them. Sometimes people fall through the cracks, and I'm sorry that was the case here and in a few other cases. I'm supposedly one who fell through the cracks. shrug Have to say though, I was impressed by being invited to vote in elections for the board, which operates projects such as Wikiversity. I don't know how you can specify a person's main project in this script (nor do I need/want to know) - but just to give praise where praise is due. :-) The list of eligible voters contain the internal database name /or the url of the wiki the voter is from. It's a simple case of parsing that to personalise the email with the main project name. :-) KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Cormac Lawlercormag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:05 AM, pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm sorry you got an email that bothered you. Trust me, we try to make sure no one is bothered by them. Sometimes people fall through the cracks, and I'm sorry that was the case here and in a few other cases. I'm supposedly one who fell through the cracks. shrug Have to say though, I was impressed by being invited to vote in elections for the board, which operates projects such as Wikiversity. I don't know how you can specify a person's main project in this script (nor do I need/want to know) - but just to give praise where praise is due. :-) Well spotted! I missed it. The email to John Vandenberg mentioned Wikipedia, but the email to JVbot said Wikisource. My home wiki is metawiki, so I think it is using highest edit count to pin me as a Wikipedian. -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Now, if we really think of a _totally badass title_ before we get the business cards printed up I'm open to changing it, but honestly I like it and it fits the role I see for myself just fine. :) Ah, hi Brion. I didn't realise you were on this list. I'd like to take this opportunity to thank you for all the wonderful work you've done for Wikimedia. I work on en:wp and I remember the days of somewhat frequent outages and annoyingly slow response times. I'm sure these things are not entirely solved but certainly, in my experience, things are MASSIVELY, MASSIVELY improved. And I have to assume that's primarily due to your efforts. Thanks Brion. Excellent work. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 5:40 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send untargetted mass emails - they are spam. Well, one good thing came out of it. I didn't receive such an email which suddenly drove me to review my preferences to find that I was still signed up with an ancient email address I haven't used for many years. Changed it now :o) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
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Hi! And I have to assume that's primarily due to your efforts. Thanks Brion. Excellent work. Yes, thank you Brion! :) Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Yes. And are doing so. Philippe On Aug 8, 2009, at 2:42 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: p.s. can the election committee ensure that votes from bot accounts are not counted?? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
lolz 2009/8/8 Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com Hi! And I have to assume that's primarily due to your efforts. Thanks Brion. Excellent work. Yes, thank you Brion! :) Domas ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
2009/8/8 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM, private musingsthepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: No silly - it's a mistake! (don't be so grumpy. - or be aware that this could come across as grumpy at least) I recall the grumbles when Greg sent something out last year or the year before, and feel the same about this as that - the folk sending the email are using an imperfect system, but overall it's worth it - I'm hope that those feeling personally affronted by such an approach can take solace in something or other, and just generally relax a notch or two :-) Oh, I am not affronted. I am thrilled that the election committee decided that computer engineers should be rewarded for their ingenuity by allowing their fine opinion to be counted twice. This motivates me to write more bots for next year. p.s. can the election committee ensure that votes from bot accounts are not counted?? p.p.s. if I can have another free vote, I will gladly write a bot to help the election committee to discount bot votes... -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l The list of users who have voted is available at https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:SecurePoll/list/17 , and I know the committee will be more than happy for any help received. ;-) -- Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
2009/8/8 Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org: On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send untargetted mass emails - they are spam. telling me I am eligible and untargetted mass e-mails don't really make sense together, do they? Also, although you're only getting one e-mail once per year (will be every two years), you're free to opt-out (there are instructions in the e-mail you received). Ok, insufficiently targetted then. Not emailing people that have already voted seems obvious to me and should be very easy to check. /me wonders why you wouldn't just hit reply to the e-mail and send this message to people who actually can do something about it, rather than foundation-l. I'm used to mass emailings not having working reply-to's set. Also, sending it here should reduce the number of duplicate emails they receive since other people will know the point has already been made. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Although I had already voted, I was not bothered by one tiny email reminding me that I was eligible to vote. Thanks guys, hopefully this will get people to the polls. From: Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Friday, August 7, 2009 9:57:40 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:40 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send untargetted mass emails - they are spam. telling me I am eligible and untargetted mass e-mails don't really make sense together, do they? Also, although you're only getting one e-mail once per year (will be every two years), you're free to opt-out (there are instructions in the e-mail you received). /me wonders why you wouldn't just hit reply to the e-mail and send this message to people who actually can do something about it, rather than foundation-l. On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 12:52 AM, Meno 25meno25w...@gmail.com wrote: and also please don't send e-mails to bot accounts. Yes, that's a good point. It seems this was an error this time around and they'll probably remember to leave those ones out next time. (Hopefully we'll have people writing up a how-to page for future years.) -- Casey Brown (who is not an election committee member, hence the third person) Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
2009/8/8 Geoffrey Plourde geo.p...@yahoo.com: Although I had already voted, I was not bothered by one tiny email reminding me that I was eligible to vote. Thanks guys, hopefully this will get people to the polls. If it was difficult to avoid emailing people that have already voted, I wouldn't mind, but I don't believe it is difficult (it's been done in previous years), so why not do it? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
The list of users who have voted is available at https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:SecurePoll/list/17 Some names/nicks there appeared crossed (by horizontal line). Would somebody please explain what does it mean? 2009/8/8 Jon Harald Søby jhs...@gmail.com: 2009/8/8 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM, private musingsthepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: No silly - it's a mistake! (don't be so grumpy. - or be aware that this could come across as grumpy at least) I recall the grumbles when Greg sent something out last year or the year before, and feel the same about this as that - the folk sending the email are using an imperfect system, but overall it's worth it - I'm hope that those feeling personally affronted by such an approach can take solace in something or other, and just generally relax a notch or two :-) Oh, I am not affronted. I am thrilled that the election committee decided that computer engineers should be rewarded for their ingenuity by allowing their fine opinion to be counted twice. This motivates me to write more bots for next year. p.s. can the election committee ensure that votes from bot accounts are not counted?? p.p.s. if I can have another free vote, I will gladly write a bot to help the election committee to discount bot votes... -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l The list of users who have voted is available at https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:SecurePoll/list/17 , and I know the committee will be more than happy for any help received. ;-) -- Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Generally speaking, that means that the user appears to have voted more than once, or from more than one username on more than one project. The line denotes that vote has been struck. Philippe On Aug 8, 2009, at 3:03 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: The list of users who have voted is available at https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:SecurePoll/list/17 Some names/nicks there appeared crossed (by horizontal line). Would somebody please explain what does it mean? 2009/8/8 Jon Harald Søby jhs...@gmail.com: 2009/8/8 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:09 PM, private musingsthepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: No silly - it's a mistake! (don't be so grumpy. - or be aware that this could come across as grumpy at least) I recall the grumbles when Greg sent something out last year or the year before, and feel the same about this as that - the folk sending the email are using an imperfect system, but overall it's worth it - I'm hope that those feeling personally affronted by such an approach can take solace in something or other, and just generally relax a notch or two :-) Oh, I am not affronted. I am thrilled that the election committee decided that computer engineers should be rewarded for their ingenuity by allowing their fine opinion to be counted twice. This motivates me to write more bots for next year. p.s. can the election committee ensure that votes from bot accounts are not counted?? p.p.s. if I can have another free vote, I will gladly write a bot to help the election committee to discount bot votes... -- John Vandenberg ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l The list of users who have voted is available at https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:SecurePoll/list/ 17 , and I know the committee will be more than happy for any help received. ;-) -- Jon Harald Søby http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Jon_Harald_S%C3%B8by ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/ foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Pavlo Shevelo wrote: The list of users who have voted is available at https://wikimedia.spi-inc.org/index.php/Special:SecurePoll/list/17 Some names/nicks there appeared crossed (by horizontal line). Would somebody please explain what does it mean? Those that are grey out (or at least slightly lighter colour that one can barely see the difference of) are votes that have been superseded by a later vote from the same account. The last vote cast is the one that's counted. The crossed off votes are votes that have been manually struck off by the election committee. For example when the same person have voted from multiple accounts. KTC -- Experience is a good school but the fees are high. - Heinrich Heine PGP.sig Description: PGP signature ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
2009/8/7 Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org: On 8/7/09 2:35 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: By containing the magic words senior and architect the proposed Senior Software Architect is, in my experience, not inconsistent with industry naming practice for the most important tech guru who isn't primarily a manager. It's not a bad title in any case. (I was previously a manager and made a decision to hire a boss because I realized I'd rather be doing technical work than performance reviews. These days I'm just a lowly 'Senior … Engineer', and I'm quite happy with that, thank you very much) Exactly. Now, if we really think of a _totally badass title_ before we get the business cards printed up I'm open to changing it, but honestly I like it and it fits the role I see for myself just fine. :) Remember... titles are only useful when they're actually descriptive; otherwise they're just fluff. Certainly when I'm doing hiring I'm far more interested in asking what somebody did at their previous job than in what it was called... -- brion Problem is that the ideal title depends on the target somewhat. Within some sections of the the open source community something like something like lead hacker would probably have quite an . On the other hand when dealing with almost anyone else something more conventional would be better. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Now, if we really think of a _totally badass title_ before we get the business cards printed up I'm open to changing it, but honestly I like it and it fits the role I see for myself just fine. :) Or you could have two sets of business cards. :-) -Kat is not sure she can come up with anything badass enough for Brion, actually... -- Your donations keep Wikipedia online: http://donate.wikimedia.org/en Wikimedia, Press: k...@wikimedia.org * Personal: k...@mindspillage.org http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mindspillage * (G)AIM:Mindspillage mindspillage or mind|wandering on irc.freenode.net * email for phone ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: * ensure that the developers have what they need and are coding smoothly Personally, I'm just waiting for Mediawiki to become self-aware and start coding itself :) -Chad ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 19:32, Kat Walsh mindspill...@gmail.com wrote: Or you could have two sets of business cards. :-) And here I was going to suggest a slashed title: Senior Software Architect/Lead Hacker. (Maybe Senior Software Architect/Sourceror if he's the eighth son of an eighth son.) Congratulations on doing the job of two, Brion. I hope we find a good CTO to handle the management side for you. -- Jim Redmond [[User:Jredmond]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
2009/8/9 Kat Walsh mindspill...@gmail.com: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 6:40 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: Now, if we really think of a _totally badass title_ before we get the business cards printed up I'm open to changing it, but honestly I like it and it fits the role I see for myself just fine. :) Or you could have two sets of business cards. :-) -Kat is not sure she can come up with anything badass enough for Brion, actually... Well, as long as it's not something lame like I'm the CEO... bitch, as the leader of a fellow Web 2.0 property (eurgh) apparently has/had, I'm quite sure Brion's call on his title would work fine. :-) J. -- James D. Forrester jdforres...@wikimedia.org | jdforres...@gmail.com [[Wikipedia:User:Jdforrester|James F.]] ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 8/7/09 2:35 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: By containing the magic words senior and architect the proposed Senior Software Architect is, in my experience, not inconsistent with industry naming practice for the most important tech guru who isn't primarily a manager. It's not a bad title in any case. (I was previously a manager and made a decision to hire a boss because I realized I'd rather be doing technical work than performance reviews. These days I'm just a lowly 'Senior … Engineer', and I'm quite happy with that, thank you very much) Exactly. Now, if we really think of a _totally badass title_ before we get the business cards printed up I'm open to changing it, but honestly I like it and it fits the role I see for myself just fine. :) My favorite title of all time, and I think the undisputed winner of the most badass title of all time, is Chief Internet Evangelist. You could be the Chief MediaWiki Evangelist, although architect does have a nice ring to it for the time being. Perhaps later on in your career you'll take on the role of Chief Wiki Evangelist. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split
My favorite is Chief Handshaker. :) --Original Message-- From: Brian Sender: foundation-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List ReplyTo: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split Sent: Aug 8, 2009 8:57 PM On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 8/7/09 2:35 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: By containing the magic words senior and architect the proposed Senior Software Architect is, in my experience, not inconsistent with industry naming practice for the most important tech guru who isn't primarily a manager. It's not a bad title in any case. (I was previously a manager and made a decision to hire a boss because I realized I'd rather be doing technical work than performance reviews. These days I'm just a lowly 'Senior … Engineer', and I'm quite happy with that, thank you very much) Exactly. Now, if we really think of a_totally badass title_ before we get the business cards printed up I'm open to changing it, but honestly I like it and it fits the role I see for myself just fine. :) My favorite title of all time, and I think the undisputed winner of the most badass title of all time, is Chief Internet Evangelist. You could be the Chief MediaWiki Evangelist, although architect does have a nice ring to it for the time being. Perhaps later on in your career you'll take on the role of Chief Wiki Evangelist. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 6:40 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I have just received an email telling me I am eligible to vote in the board elections when I have already voted. Please don't send untargetted mass emails - they are spam. Ah, I may imagine how your reaction would be in my case :) I have a number of bots, of which some don't have bot flags (because it is just an account, because it is not a bot which should have a bot flag or because it has bot flags just partially). So, until now, I've got one email for myself (even thou I voted) and three for my bots :) That means that automatic emails about voting should be fixed: * We should have a possibility to connect accounts. My bot is my account and I would like to manipulate with all of my data from one interface, not by logging out from one account and logging in to another. * Voters who already voted shouldn't get that message. * Voters should be able to opt-out from this kind of messages for the next elections, referendums etc. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
Keep in mind that this election didn't go off as well as it could have, we all know that, the important thing was getting the e-mails out before the vote ended. It was already too late, so it's better to get more people notified than less. It wasn't perfect, last year was better because there was more time to tweak everything. :-) On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 10:34 PM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: That means that automatic emails about voting should be fixed: * We should have a possibility to connect accounts. My bot is my account and I would like to manipulate with all of my data from one interface, not by logging out from one account and logging in to another. Bot accounts will probably be excluded in the future, since they are explicitly not allowed to vote. * Voters who already voted shouldn't get that message. Yes, there was an issue this year I think. Remembering back to last year, this wasn't an issue, so it probably won't be for future years. * Voters should be able to opt-out from this kind of messages for the next elections, referendums etc. This has existed and is linked in all the e-mails (and translations): http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming
On Sun, Aug 9, 2009 at 5:00 AM, Casey Brownli...@caseybrown.org wrote: Bot accounts will probably be excluded in the future, since they are explicitly not allowed to vote. I think that it shouldn't be so complicated to do one sort -u over emails. As I said, some of my bots don't have bot flags and because of that they can't be treated as bots automatically. However, I am using just one email address for all of them. Probably, there is number of similar cases with well intentioned sock-puppet owners. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
