Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia France Wikimania Scholarships (was Re: Money, politics and corruption)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/07/2010 01:57, Florence Devouard wrote: This decision was approved on the 24th of may and was advertised in various (french speaking) venues. The scholarship only proposed two different types of packages: 250 euros or 500 euros. There was no requirement of nationality or location, though we would probably have focused on French participants. A commission was receiving the scholarship requests and approving them. Scholars had two main obligations : - actually being at the conference :) - report after the conference In spite of sufficient time, not all scholarships were distributed, which is quite unfortunate. However, the number of French participants had never been as high in a Wikimania. Out of curiosity, would contacting the french-speaking registered users of en. and fr. wikipedia have been a good advertisement strategy? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJMRqkfAAoJEHCAuDvx9Z6LNREIAODyR10iih7bLzmvoZFmGaJj nUtmqQQF4vzMtXYwhdG59Ykmj5V1tr46V0XmIQvGIAF3Jiv+tn6Vdu/P3Nns2SNX xk6GRzn7e7pldp3K0GTUmMf/NIXHF+rktetd1L/HeZqeH3BX9gJ0CL1Omfu3VD2z TzILWK9yyu+W6l2ANc2JWdEEdhsHtN3NydJsj21ER8Qi2RTcJWVRca45pcyFu+aO JCoEdfjBVz10A7LYBf7nwhXdLan2+GkKCKNNN28G+tImmfDlS2t8uiPtKDkiThcz WBIoPWXWozCZzEFFqFMfeovLQ/YyxWFHsbYJRi4MeBQocRH6/xlmSgUr7kRCY5s= =yjlQ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] [Wiki-research-l] WikiCite - new WMF project? Was: UPEI's proposal for a universal citation index
On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 9:26 PM, Brian J Mingus brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I like your suggestion that the abc disambiguator be chosen based on the first date of publication, and I also like the prospect of using slashes since they can't be contained in names. Using the full year is a good idea too. We can combine these to come up with a key that, in principle, is guaranteed to be unique. This key would contain: 1) The first three author names separated by slashes why not separate by pluses? they don't form part of names either, and don't cause problems with wiki page titles. 2) If there are more than three authors, an EtAl don't think that's necessary if we get the abc part right. 3) Some or all of the date. For instance, if there is only one source by this set of authors that year, we can just use . However, once another source by those set of authors is added, the key should change to MMDD or similar. I don't think it is a good idea to change one key as a function of updates on another, except for a generic disambiguation tag. If there are multiple publications on the same day, we can resort to abc. Redirects and disambiguation pages can be set up when a key changes. As Jodi pointed out already, the exact date is often not clearly identifiable, so I would go simply for the year. Instead of an alphabetic abc, one could use some function of the article title (e.g. the first three words thereof, or the initials of the first three words), always in lower case. An even less ambiguous abc would be starting page (for printed stuff) or article number (for online only) but this brings us back to the 7523225 problem you mentioned above. Since the slashes are somewhat cumbersome, perhaps we can not make them mandatory, but similarly use them only when they are necessary in order to escape a name. In the case that one of the authors does not have a slash in their name - the dominant case - we can stick to the easily legible and niecly compact CamelCase format. Example keys generated by this algorithm: KangHsuKrajbichEtAl2009 Kang+Hsu+Krajbich+2009+the+wick+in or Kang+Hsu+Krajbich+2009+twi also note that the CamelCase key does not yield results in a google search, whereas the first plused variant brings up the right work correctly, while the plused one with initialed title tends to bring at least something written by or cited from these authors. Author1Author2/Author-Three/2009 Author1+Author2+Author-Three+2009+just+another+article or Author1+Author2+Author-Three+2009+jat Of course, it does not have to be _exactly_ three authors, nor three words from the title, and it does not solve the John Smith (or Zheng Wang) problem. Daniel -- http://www.google.com/profiles/daniel.mietchen ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia France Wikimania Scholarships (was Re: Money, politics and corruption)
On 21 July 2010 10:00, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/07/2010 01:57, Florence Devouard wrote: This decision was approved on the 24th of may and was advertised in various (french speaking) venues. The scholarship only proposed two different types of packages: 250 euros or 500 euros. There was no requirement of nationality or location, though we would probably have focused on French participants. A commission was receiving the scholarship requests and approving them. Scholars had two main obligations : - actually being at the conference :) - report after the conference In spite of sufficient time, not all scholarships were distributed, which is quite unfortunate. However, the number of French participants had never been as high in a Wikimania. Out of curiosity, would contacting the french-speaking registered users of en. and fr. wikipedia have been a good advertisement strategy? We advertised it on the french Wikipedia of course, and on every french wikimedia project iirc. As long as on our blog and through social media. Christophe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] small Wikipedia projects - follow-up to Jimmy Wales' talk
Hello Amir, hello Casey, Actually I am currently interested in policies of different language versions (article deletion, sources etc.), and thought about reviving the Tell us project for that. Most Wikipedians are busy only in one or two Wikipedias thoroughly, and hardly anyone knows how much the language versions have drifted apart (or not). Kind regards Ziko 2010/7/19 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il: 2010/7/18 Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:43 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hello, I'm writing this as the follow-up to Jimmy Wales' Wikimania keynote about small Wikipedias, or, as some people correctly say, Wikipedias in underprivileged languages. (It's strange to use the word small anywhere near Bengali, for example.) Is there some recorded body of knowledge about the existing attempts to engage small language communities? The only thing that i know is the parts with Ndesanjo Macha in The Truth According To Wikipedia. They are very inspiring, but very small. Something that's standing out in my mind, but might not be exactly what you're looking for, is Ziko's Tell us about your Wikipedia project, where Ziko and others tried to get different Wikipedias to share details about themselves and some tough things that they experienced. http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tell_us_about_your_Wikipedia That was a first step to a lot of the stuff you're talking about. Actually i started reviving this project a few weeks ago: I translated its main page into Russian so that people from Wikipedias in the minority languages of Russia who don't know English will be able to contribute to it. Thanks for reminding me to advertise it in those Wikipedias' Village Pumps. Versions in French and Spanish may be useful for Africa and Latin America. -- אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי Amir Elisha Aharoni http://aharoni.wordpress.com We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace. - T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Ziko van Dijk Niederlande ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia France Wikimania Scholarships (was Re: Money, politics and corruption)
The attendance of French Wikipedians was certainly high; I travelled through to Gdansk with five or six (the Why France/Britain sucks conversations were amusing). I think it's an excellent idea for individual chapters to distribute scholarships, but yes, there is a time element involved. I guess it isn't even necessarily needed for the Chapter scholarships to be issued afterwards; merely at a different time. Maybe before would work? That way you'd avoid the problem of not distributing all of it. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 July 2010 10:00, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/07/2010 01:57, Florence Devouard wrote: This decision was approved on the 24th of may and was advertised in various (french speaking) venues. The scholarship only proposed two different types of packages: 250 euros or 500 euros. There was no requirement of nationality or location, though we would probably have focused on French participants. A commission was receiving the scholarship requests and approving them. Scholars had two main obligations : - actually being at the conference :) - report after the conference In spite of sufficient time, not all scholarships were distributed, which is quite unfortunate. However, the number of French participants had never been as high in a Wikimania. Out of curiosity, would contacting the french-speaking registered users of en. and fr. wikipedia have been a good advertisement strategy? We advertised it on the french Wikipedia of course, and on every french wikimedia project iirc. As long as on our blog and through social media. Christophe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia France Wikimania Scholarships (was Re: Money, politics and corruption)
On 7/21/10 1:37 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: The attendance of French Wikipedians was certainly high; I travelled through to Gdansk with five or six (the Why France/Britain sucks conversations were amusing). I think it's an excellent idea for individual chapters to distribute scholarships, but yes, there is a time element involved. I guess it isn't even necessarily needed for the Chapter scholarships to be issued afterwards; merely at a different time. Maybe before would work? That way you'd avoid the problem of not distributing all of it. It would also help if budget was approved at the beginning of the year so that it would be visible as early as January that money is left aside for such a use later in the year (it could also be mentionned during general assembly for example). Alas... Well, every year brings new improvements ;) Ant On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 July 2010 10:00, Noeinprono...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/07/2010 01:57, Florence Devouard wrote: This decision was approved on the 24th of may and was advertised in various (french speaking) venues. The scholarship only proposed two different types of packages: 250 euros or 500 euros. There was no requirement of nationality or location, though we would probably have focused on French participants. A commission was receiving the scholarship requests and approving them. Scholars had two main obligations : - actually being at the conference :) - report after the conference In spite of sufficient time, not all scholarships were distributed, which is quite unfortunate. However, the number of French participants had never been as high in a Wikimania. Out of curiosity, would contacting the french-speaking registered users of en. and fr. wikipedia have been a good advertisement strategy? We advertised it on the french Wikipedia of course, and on every french wikimedia project iirc. As long as on our blog and through social media. Christophe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Private Wiki
On 7/21/10 4:39 AM, Cary Bass wrote: On 7/20/2010 7:27 PM, James Heilman wrote: Not sure were to ask this... A group of 20 of us from Wikiproject Medicine are working on a paper to explain the usage of Wikipedia to the medical community. We were working on it in Google documents but they have made some changes to their software that makes it nearly unusable. We wish to return to working in the wiki environment but need to do so in a closed environment until after publication. Anyone here able to set something like this up for us? Or have suggestions were we may do so? We were using a private wiki for a bit but its reliability was limited. Thanks Hi James, Have you checked out http://www.wikimatrix.org/ ? Cary Hello I use pbworks, basic plan (free) https://plans.pbworks.com/ Indeed, that is not mediawiki, but I find that specific wiki quite confortable to work with and the hosting service is good (not lagging horribly as other wiki farms are something doing). I have been testing it for roughly two months and feel happy about it. Currently considering going for the for-pay plan to use it for my business to communicate with my clients. The basic plan allow only one space, but this space can be closed. So it should fit your needs. Alternatively, you may set up your own mediawiki (I also have one), but this require * hosting service * domain name * install and updates To be fair, unless you are a total geek and mediawiki fan, I would recommand the no-hassle pbworks solution. Ant ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia France Wikimania Scholarships (was Re: Money, politics and corruption)
If wishes were fishes and all that. Still, it's July now; could budgets not get approved before January? On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote: On 7/21/10 1:37 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: The attendance of French Wikipedians was certainly high; I travelled through to Gdansk with five or six (the Why France/Britain sucks conversations were amusing). I think it's an excellent idea for individual chapters to distribute scholarships, but yes, there is a time element involved. I guess it isn't even necessarily needed for the Chapter scholarships to be issued afterwards; merely at a different time. Maybe before would work? That way you'd avoid the problem of not distributing all of it. It would also help if budget was approved at the beginning of the year so that it would be visible as early as January that money is left aside for such a use later in the year (it could also be mentionned during general assembly for example). Alas... Well, every year brings new improvements ;) Ant On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 July 2010 10:00, Noeinprono...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/07/2010 01:57, Florence Devouard wrote: This decision was approved on the 24th of may and was advertised in various (french speaking) venues. The scholarship only proposed two different types of packages: 250 euros or 500 euros. There was no requirement of nationality or location, though we would probably have focused on French participants. A commission was receiving the scholarship requests and approving them. Scholars had two main obligations : - actually being at the conference :) - report after the conference In spite of sufficient time, not all scholarships were distributed, which is quite unfortunate. However, the number of French participants had never been as high in a Wikimania. Out of curiosity, would contacting the french-speaking registered users of en. and fr. wikipedia have been a good advertisement strategy? We advertised it on the french Wikipedia of course, and on every french wikimedia project iirc. As long as on our blog and through social media. Christophe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia France Wikimania Scholarships (was Re: Money, politics and corruption)
yes, as long as it is next year budget ;) ant On 7/21/10 4:28 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: If wishes were fishes and all that. Still, it's July now; could budgets not get approved before January? On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:41 PM, Florence Devouardanthe...@yahoo.comwrote: On 7/21/10 1:37 PM, Oliver Keyes wrote: The attendance of French Wikipedians was certainly high; I travelled through to Gdansk with five or six (the Why France/Britain sucks conversations were amusing). I think it's an excellent idea for individual chapters to distribute scholarships, but yes, there is a time element involved. I guess it isn't even necessarily needed for the Chapter scholarships to be issued afterwards; merely at a different time. Maybe before would work? That way you'd avoid the problem of not distributing all of it. It would also help if budget was approved at the beginning of the year so that it would be visible as early as January that money is left aside for such a use later in the year (it could also be mentionned during general assembly for example). Alas... Well, every year brings new improvements ;) Ant On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Christophe Henner christophe.hen...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 July 2010 10:00, Noeinprono...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21/07/2010 01:57, Florence Devouard wrote: This decision was approved on the 24th of may and was advertised in various (french speaking) venues. The scholarship only proposed two different types of packages: 250 euros or 500 euros. There was no requirement of nationality or location, though we would probably have focused on French participants. A commission was receiving the scholarship requests and approving them. Scholars had two main obligations : - actually being at the conference :) - report after the conference In spite of sufficient time, not all scholarships were distributed, which is quite unfortunate. However, the number of French participants had never been as high in a Wikimania. Out of curiosity, would contacting the french-speaking registered users of en. and fr. wikipedia have been a good advertisement strategy? We advertised it on the french Wikipedia of course, and on every french wikimedia project iirc. As long as on our blog and through social media. Christophe ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] Statistics on edit summary usage on Wikipediaandstandard summaries buttons
Przykuta, 19/07/2010 17:57: One year before flagged rev in pl wiki, maybe even in 2006. Nux said April and October 2006 (http://pl.wikipedia.org/?oldid=22477021 ). If that's correct, the updated statistics http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Usage_of_edit_summary_on_Wikipedia show that the buttons on pl.wiki had no additional effect after the red rectangle, and something else on March-April 2007 made the edit summary usage to increase by 9 percentage points globally and almost 30 points for anonymous edits. Does someone have a clue? About he.wiki, statistics show an increase by about 9-10 points thanks to buttons, as in other wikis. Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] WikiCite - new WMF project? Was: [Wiki-research-l] UPEI's proposal for a universal citation index
Дана Monday 19 July 2010 22:20:15 Brian J Mingus написа:
Feel free to provide your feedback on this idea, in addition to your own
ideas, in this thread, or to me personally. I am especially interested in
the potential benefits to the WMF projects that you see, and to hear your
thoughts on the potential of this project on its own, as that will feature
prominently in the proposal. Additionally, what do you think WikiCite would
eventually be like, once it is fully matured?
I was thinking about this too. Main advantages that I see are that citations
will become easier to use for editors while more informative for readers. Too
often I just link to something instead of properly filling a cite template
because it's just too bothersome. For example, instead of this crud:
{{cite book|author=Š. Kulišić |coauthors=P. Ž. Petrović, N. Pantelić |
title=Српски митолошки речник |origyear=1970 |publisher=[[Nolit]] |
location=Belgrade |language=Serbian |pages=161 |chapter=Јерисавља}}
we would have just:
{{cite|work=Српски митолошки речник |pages=161 |chapter=Јерисавља}}
Another advantage that I see: people will spend less time filling in the
citation templates and will thus have more time to make more precise
citations. This means more citations with exact page numbers or quotes.
Perhaps this could be tested on-wiki prior to creating a separate project,
perhaps through revival of Reference namespace. This could be done through
templates only, would require no changes to MediaWiki and few changes to
existing practices.
BTW1: it is my understanding that you imagined this for literature only, but
it could be expanded to all citable media (videos etc).
BTW3: for citing online stuff, this could eventually be combined with archive
of cited pages. If the original goes away we would still have the source for
the readers to verify. This would also help with some copyright concerns (for
example, using free images the source of which is later removed thus leaving
the images with no evidence of being free).
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Re: [Foundation-l] WikiCite - new WMF project? Was: [Wiki-research-l] UPEI's proposal for a universal citation index
This example illustrates some of the problems. If the work is
available in other languages, the non-Serbian WPs would want to cite
the translation in their language. If the book is being cited from an
online excerpt, at least the enWP would require that this be
specified. And if different people cited different versions in this
manner, we would want to link them together. There seems to be the
delusion that accurate work of this sort can be done by automatic
programs. It can be done assisted by automated programs, but requires
manual checking of every item by someone qualified to make the
connections.
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote:
Дана Monday 19 July 2010 22:20:15 Brian J Mingus написа:
Feel free to provide your feedback on this idea, in addition to your own
ideas, in this thread, or to me personally. I am especially interested in
the potential benefits to the WMF projects that you see, and to hear your
thoughts on the potential of this project on its own, as that will feature
prominently in the proposal. Additionally, what do you think WikiCite would
eventually be like, once it is fully matured?
I was thinking about this too. Main advantages that I see are that citations
will become easier to use for editors while more informative for readers. Too
often I just link to something instead of properly filling a cite template
because it's just too bothersome. For example, instead of this crud:
{{cite book|author=Š. Kulišić |coauthors=P. Ž. Petrović, N. Pantelić |
title=Српски митолошки речник |origyear=1970 |publisher=[[Nolit]] |
location=Belgrade |language=Serbian |pages=161 |chapter=Јерисавља}}
we would have just:
{{cite|work=Српски митолошки речник |pages=161 |chapter=Јерисавља}}
Another advantage that I see: people will spend less time filling in the
citation templates and will thus have more time to make more precise
citations. This means more citations with exact page numbers or quotes.
Perhaps this could be tested on-wiki prior to creating a separate project,
perhaps through revival of Reference namespace. This could be done through
templates only, would require no changes to MediaWiki and few changes to
existing practices.
BTW1: it is my understanding that you imagined this for literature only, but
it could be expanded to all citable media (videos etc).
BTW3: for citing online stuff, this could eventually be combined with archive
of cited pages. If the original goes away we would still have the source for
the readers to verify. This would also help with some copyright concerns (for
example, using free images the source of which is later removed thus leaving
the images with no evidence of being free).
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Re: [Foundation-l] Private Wiki
There are a number of services offering you MediaWiki installations in the cloud, where you can just get a MediaWiki, like Wikia or Referata. Both have a free plan that may suite your needs. Cheers, Denny On Jul 20, 2010, at 19:27, James Heilman wrote: Not sure were to ask this... A group of 20 of us from Wikiproject Medicine are working on a paper to explain the usage of Wikipedia to the medical community. We were working on it in Google documents but they have made some changes to their software that makes it nearly unusable. We wish to return to working in the wiki environment but need to do so in a closed environment until after publication. Anyone here able to set something like this up for us? Or have suggestions were we may do so? We were using a private wiki for a bit but its reliability was limited. Thanks -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, B.Sc. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
