[Foundation-l] List moderation (WAS: Politico...)

2012-01-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 23 January 2012 14:53, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
 On the surface this is a very frivolous post. Funnily enough I have
 a serious point I have been nursing along for a while. Any
 list moderators listening? There are times when the mailing
 list itself can be a source of infighting and internal politics. I submit
 this is not one of them, and as such, I think modified rules to the
 soft moderation rules should be adopted. Blatant trolling should
 get a one strike and you are on hard moderation response,
 and monthly moderation limits should be lifted entirely. We really
 are on war footing. Not bean-bags at 50 yards footing. We need
 to sort things out, and more talk is a good thing, not a bad thing.

I'm splitting this out into a new thread, since it's off-topic for the
lobbying thread.

The problem with zero tollerance for blatant trolling (which is a
policy everyone would agree to) is that there is often a lot of
disagreement over what actually constitutes blatant trolling. If you
aren't careful, you can end up with more heated debates about
moderation than you ever had about the actual controversies that were
being discussed.

I agree that more talk is a good thing. The moderation limits serve
two purposes - to keep the total volume down and also to avoid a small
number of people dominating discussion. I don't think the former is
necessarily desirable, but a case can be made for the latter. I
suggest the moderation limits be set at 5% of the emails so far in
that month (with some common sense applied in the first week or so -
obviously the first person to send an email in a month would be at
100% until the next email!). In most months, that would be around 30
emails, but it means that when there is simply a lot of discussion
going on people can contribute to it without being unnecessarily
silenced half-way through the month.

I was looking at the statistics last night (I'm not too far off 30
posts so far this month, so wanted to keep an eye on it) and apart
from two people (who know who they are!) it's currently rare for
anyone to go over 30 posts except in particularly busy months. I don't
think anyone has actually been put on moderation in those busy months,
so the policy might as well reflect actual practice.

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Re: [Foundation-l] List moderation (WAS: Politico...)

2012-01-23 Thread J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov
When I was brought on board as a list admin/moderator, I was told that it
was very much a case of a hands-off approach. This does not mean, however,
that anything goes. Usually a reminder, whether one or one or by a post to
the list, suffices. Moderation is very much the last step, and has only
been necessary in very rare circumstances.

Moderation for exceeding the thirty posts per person per calendar month has
not been required in my tenure, despite a couple of months of some very
vigorous discussion around the image filter. In that instance, I for one
felt that due to the importance and scope of the subject, a hard and fast
rule of thirty posts would have been detrimental to an otherwise generally
useful conversation.

Alex



2012/1/23 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com

 On 23 January 2012 14:53, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On the surface this is a very frivolous post. Funnily enough I have
  a serious point I have been nursing along for a while. Any
  list moderators listening? There are times when the mailing
  list itself can be a source of infighting and internal politics. I submit
  this is not one of them, and as such, I think modified rules to the
  soft moderation rules should be adopted. Blatant trolling should
  get a one strike and you are on hard moderation response,
  and monthly moderation limits should be lifted entirely. We really
  are on war footing. Not bean-bags at 50 yards footing. We need
  to sort things out, and more talk is a good thing, not a bad thing.

 I'm splitting this out into a new thread, since it's off-topic for the
 lobbying thread.

 The problem with zero tollerance for blatant trolling (which is a
 policy everyone would agree to) is that there is often a lot of
 disagreement over what actually constitutes blatant trolling. If you
 aren't careful, you can end up with more heated debates about
 moderation than you ever had about the actual controversies that were
 being discussed.

 I agree that more talk is a good thing. The moderation limits serve
 two purposes - to keep the total volume down and also to avoid a small
 number of people dominating discussion. I don't think the former is
 necessarily desirable, but a case can be made for the latter. I
 suggest the moderation limits be set at 5% of the emails so far in
 that month (with some common sense applied in the first week or so -
 obviously the first person to send an email in a month would be at
 100% until the next email!). In most months, that would be around 30
 emails, but it means that when there is simply a lot of discussion
 going on people can contribute to it without being unnecessarily
 silenced half-way through the month.

 I was looking at the statistics last night (I'm not too far off 30
 posts so far this month, so wanted to keep an eye on it) and apart
 from two people (who know who they are!) it's currently rare for
 anyone to go over 30 posts except in particularly busy months. I don't
 think anyone has actually been put on moderation in those busy months,
 so the policy might as well reflect actual practice.

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