Re: GNOME now
It is a fact that many people use DRM schemes, but that gives them no legitimacy. We are trying to convince people to reject them. We MUST try, not only because DRM denies the users long-established freedoms, but also because the wide use of DRM works against the adoption of free software generally. The way to do this is not by telling people Free Software users are a bunch of freeloading jerks who don't care about other people's hard work and just want stuff witout paying. As a theoretical point, I think you're right. But none of us is saying that, as far as I know. For example, build in to the GNOME desktop image viewers, sound players, font viewers and movie players the ability to bring up information about the creator and to donate money. Make it ubiquitous. I suggest such a system in my speeches. There are two obstacles to doing it now in GNOME: * It is not easy to look up such info. * It is very hard to pay anonymously. -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: GNOME now
Why not just include an About GNOME section in System Settings where we can talk about these sorts of things - about software freedom and what it means. About DRM and why we don't include tools to allow its use, and why free formats like OGG are preferable. We could have multiple tabs: That is a very good idea. However, it might be useful also to find a way to show this info once in a blue moon to users without their having to explicitly go looking. Liam suggested: Can the desktop by default at least have such a document on it for people to read? I think that is good too. Alan Cox suggested: One place to put it is part of an introductory first run tutorial which also explains things like the top left corner, some basic keybindings etc. That is even better -- but why not do all of them? -- Dr Richard Stallman President, Free Software Foundation 51 Franklin St Boston MA 02110 USA www.fsf.org www.gnu.org Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software. Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes for the board meeting of November 6th, 2012
hi; so, now that GUADEC 2013 and 2014 have been announced[0], I can reply to Dave's questions if I can. :-) On 20 November 2012 14:11, Dave Neary dne...@gnome.org wrote: == Completed Actions == * Bastien to notify the Strasbourg bid of the selection for GUADEC 2014 I haven't seen an announcement of this to guadec-list or foundation-list - is it official that Brno is the 2013 GUADEC location, and Strasbourg is the 2014 location now? hopefully, it's now official. I made a mistake when cleaning up the minutes from the private wiki page to the public one, and I ended up missing this kind of critical piece. :-) If so, would it be possible/advisable to do as LCA does, and have some people from Strasbourg sitting on the organising committee for this year's GUADEC, to learn by observing the organisers what needs to be done? it's definitely in the cards, and one of the reasons why we felt that deciding and announcing both GUADEC editions together was important. post-mortems and a better transition process between local teams (and board members) it's an important topic; and I agree that LCA is a great model to copy as well. ciao, Emmanuele. -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Minutes for the board meeting of November 6th, 2012
missing note: [0] http://www.gnome.org/news/2012/11/brno-to-host-guadec-2013-and-strasbourg-to-host-guadec-2014/ ciao, Emmanuele. On 21 November 2012 14:46, Emmanuele Bassi eba...@gmail.com wrote: hi; so, now that GUADEC 2013 and 2014 have been announced[0], I can reply to Dave's questions if I can. :-) -- W: http://www.emmanuelebassi.name B: http://blogs.gnome.org/ebassi/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Questions about the new GNOME Forums
Heya, Are those new forums: http://forums.worldofgnome.org/ the official GNOME forums? If so, why does they not follow the GNOME web style used on gnome.org, and more importantly, why are they hosted on a fansite (worldofgnome.org) instead of gnome.org? Cheers ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Questions about the new GNOME Forums
On Wed, November 21, 2012 1:14 pm, Bastien Nocera wrote: Heya, Are those new forums: http://forums.worldofgnome.org/ the official GNOME forums? If so, why does they not follow the GNOME web style used on gnome.org, and more importantly, why are they hosted on a fansite (worldofgnome.org) instead of gnome.org? These are unofficial forums (now labeled clearly as such), though I think we should consider making them official at some point, perhaps after a period of time where we can see how they do. I think newcomer users really expect to get information in the forum format, so I think it could be very useful. I guess we'll see what happens there in the meantime :) karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Questions about the new GNOME Forums
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: On Wed, November 21, 2012 1:14 pm, Bastien Nocera wrote: Heya, Are those new forums: http://forums.worldofgnome.org/ the official GNOME forums? If so, why does they not follow the GNOME web style used on gnome.org, and more importantly, why are they hosted on a fansite (worldofgnome.org) instead of gnome.org? These are unofficial forums (now labeled clearly as such), though I think we should consider making them official at some point, perhaps after a period of time where we can see how they do. I think newcomer users really expect to get information in the forum format, so I think it could be very useful. I guess we'll see what happens there in the meantime :) We can't really host them on gnome.org until we do some cleaning up of the environment. So for now, they are unofficial although Andrea is supporting it. (thanks, Andrea!) sri karen ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Questions about the new GNOME Forums
Hi Karen, On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: ... I think newcomer users really expect to get information in the forum format, so I think it could be very useful. I guess we'll see what happens there in the meantime :) But perhaps more will get information from google. I think it is important to make high quality, trustworthy information available to search engines. It isn't clear to me at all that forums accomplish this without a *lot* of moderation. Which in itself can come across as heavy handed. Availability of this kind of information starts a virtuous cycle. While disseminating lower quality information can easily create an overload that makes things hard to correct later. Have we considered using something like Stack Exchange instead? Anyone have experience with it? Thanks, Jon ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Questions about the new GNOME Forums
While I do agree with some of your concerns, I do understand the need of such a new communciation platform: Google has been around and seems like it did not help us communication with the community. IMHO need either one or both of: 1) a central location for communication and people helping each other == see ubuntuforums 2) a stackexchange like askubuntu which is also very popular. Those two proved successful building a strong community behind Ubuntu. So the requirement here would be having some gnome community members to participate. And I think it is a very nice communication platform since IRC and mailinglist have failed us. I for one am a fan of stackexchange. But I think we should support the idea of the forum for a while to see how it goes. Stackexchange is not dialog friendly as a forum. Cheers Seif On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 8:48 PM, William Jon McCann william.jon.mcc...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Karen, On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 2:17 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: ... I think newcomer users really expect to get information in the forum format, so I think it could be very useful. I guess we'll see what happens there in the meantime :) But perhaps more will get information from google. I think it is important to make high quality, trustworthy information available to search engines. It isn't clear to me at all that forums accomplish this without a *lot* of moderation. Which in itself can come across as heavy handed. Availability of this kind of information starts a virtuous cycle. While disseminating lower quality information can easily create an overload that makes things hard to correct later. Have we considered using something like Stack Exchange instead? Anyone have experience with it? Thanks, Jon ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Questions about the new GNOME Forums
*nodes head* On Nov 21, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Karen Sandler ka...@gnome.org wrote: I think newcomer users really expect to get information in the forum format, so I think it could be very useful. I guess we'll see what happens there in the meantime :) ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing GUADEC 2013 and 2014
On 12-11-21 03:32 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: During the bidding process, the GNOME Foundation received a second outstanding proposal. As a result, the Board of Directors is also pleased to announce that GUADEC 2014 will be held in Strasbourg, France. Selecting the venue earlier will give the Strasbourg local team more time to prepare the conference, which has been asked for by previous organizing teams. This I think is a great idea. Congrats to both team, and the directors! Cheers, behdad Have a good holiday to those who celebrate it! best, Karen ___ foundation-announce mailing list foundation-annou...@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-announce -- behdad http://behdad.org/ ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Announcing GUADEC 2013 and 2014
On 21 nov. 2012, at 22:09, Behdad Esfahbod beh...@behdad.org wrote: On 12-11-21 03:32 PM, Karen Sandler wrote: During the bidding process, the GNOME Foundation received a second outstanding proposal. As a result, the Board of Directors is also pleased to announce that GUADEC 2014 will be held in Strasbourg, France. Selecting the venue earlier will give the Strasbourg local team more time to prepare the conference, which has been asked for by previous organizing teams. This I think is a great idea. Congrats to both team, and the directors! It's a good thing, the RMLL libre software meeting is also working on shifting schedules to allow for 2 years of preparation... in 2014, RMLL will possibly be in Montpellier ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012
On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 08:16 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012, à 02:03 +0100, Tobias Mueller a écrit : Bonjour Vincent :-) Thanks a lot for your valuable input! On 20.11.2012 15:59, Vincent Untz wrote: For the record, in the past, what we did instead of formally joining the W3C is have some people from our community be invited experts to some working groups Do you have more details on that? Like when about that was and how that happened? There was some discussion in January 2006 about the SVG working group, for instance. We got someone from Inkscape invited as an expert in this WG. That's probably the part I remember. I also know that Daniel Veillard is (or at least was, at that time) an invited expert for the XML working group. Daniel is officially Red Hat's representative on the XML Core Working Group. Of course, that doesn't mean he can't also bring GNOME's interests to the table. One option is asking advisory board members to put people on working groups who can represent our interests. And perhaps we should just try to get more of our developers on working groups as invited experts. I'm on the MultilingalWeb-LT working group because of my itstool work, for example. But there are benefits to being a member organization. Anyway, it was just a preliminary discussion. We didn't decide one way or the other, and we welcome community feedback. -- Shaun ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: A few observations about GIMPNET
Whatever happened on this topic? Jared ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
Re: Agenda for the board meeting of November 20th, 2012
Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012, à 16:57 -0500, Shaun McCance a écrit : On Wed, 2012-11-21 at 08:16 +0100, Vincent Untz wrote: Le mercredi 21 novembre 2012, à 02:03 +0100, Tobias Mueller a écrit : On 20.11.2012 15:59, Vincent Untz wrote: For the record, in the past, what we did instead of formally joining the W3C is have some people from our community be invited experts to some working groups Do you have more details on that? Like when about that was and how that happened? There was some discussion in January 2006 about the SVG working group, for instance. We got someone from Inkscape invited as an expert in this WG. That's probably the part I remember. I also know that Daniel Veillard is (or at least was, at that time) an invited expert for the XML working group. Daniel is officially Red Hat's representative on the XML Core Working Group. Of course, that doesn't mean he can't also bring GNOME's interests to the table. One option is asking advisory board members to put people on working groups who can represent our interests. And perhaps we should just try to get more of our developers on working groups as invited experts. I'm on the MultilingalWeb-LT working group because of my itstool work, for example. But there are benefits to being a member organization. Just to be clear, I'm not saying we shouldn't become a member organization. I'm simply giving the current board some background, given that the topic was raised several years ago. Back then, it was concluded we didn't need any of the benefits you get when you are a member; things might be different today -- I'm not aware of the context of the current discussion :-) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. ___ foundation-list mailing list foundation-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-list
